Undergeared Players

[Hammieee]

<p>Am i the only one who finds it irritating when you go into a match which has no healer and a necro with full PQ gear and 26k hp? I mean then you go against a raid guild pre-made and get the crap beat out of you. Can we get like some form of anti- bad gear players?</p>

[Gealaen_Gaiamancer]

<p style="text-align: justify;">Such functionality already exists--build your own pre-made group with folks who you know are already well-equipped and otherwise non-suck.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Hammieee]

<p><cite>Gealaen_Gaiamancer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">Such functionality already exists--build your own pre-made group with folks who you know are already well-equipped and otherwise non-suck.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If only sony fixed pre-mades.</p>

[apwyork]

<p>It sort of depends which bg range you are in.  In the 89 and under bg, it's level determinate who will win a 1v1 fight.  I can take a 67 pally in there and If I catch any 30's that fight is done after my third attack.  in the 90-92 bg, you can often see 40k hps as the average, with some of the top geared raid players hitting 60k hps even as priests or mages.</p>

[Proud_Silence]

<p><cite>apwyork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It sort of depends which bg range you are in.  In the 89 and under bg, it's level determinate who will win a 1v1 fight.  I can take a 67 pally in there and If I catch any 30's that fight is done after my third attack.  in the 90-92 bg, you can often see 40k hps as the average, with some of the top geared raid players hitting 60k hps even as priests or mages.</p></blockquote><p>I'd wager HM drunder / Eow geared players actually have 80-100k hp during fights with the right grp set up. since my EM raid geared toons breach 60k solo already.</p><p>But i know what OP means. First you think wow, that guy is really dieing super fast. oh uhmm ok lvl 92 and 18k hp ? inspect the person. lvl 57 wrist, nice bro. that lvl 62 MC tunic goes really well with the empty shoulder and legg slots.</p><p>Unfortunately, seing people like that is not even that rare. I just dont quite understand the mindset. is it fun to die in Klak jumping down the starting area and be dead before hitting the floor ? Is it too hard to gear out your toon to a at least somewhat effectiv lvl ? Will you actually ever have fun in the game ? going to be hard to find friends if you're completely useless in the entire adventure part of the game.</p>

[zehly]

Hah. It's like advertising for a "quick" CD run and having a 92 Conjy join with 21k hp and only parse 30k. It makes you want to kill someone. Violently.

[Rahatmattata]

<p>It's annoying, but win some lose some.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>The solution is to pick who you play with or suffer thru the below average players.</p><p>I personally think its an issue having under level 92 players in these BGs.  They're a total waste of a slot. The level 90s just fall down and die over and over again.</p><p>I'm not sure what the best fix is here.  I want to say it should be 91-92s only in the top tier since you can have a level 90 with 110 aa queing into these things the way it is now.  If the min level was 91, atleast you know they have a few AA.</p><p>Pushing the 90s down to the lower tier may have some specific issues due to the level 90 gear out there, so I don't really have a good solution other than just blacking out that level from BG =P.</p>

[Cynicisim]

<p>Undergeared? lol. when PL'ed lvl 30s enter the BG missing 4 or more pieces of equipment! They would never enter a group on their server like that. Go spend some gold and at least fill in the missing pieces with something. I have also seen higher lvl's 60+ with lvl 10 treasured gear. The group says "Oh, we have a healer" but really it is only a placeholder. And when you are at the broker get a basic upgrade to your spells please.</p><p>I have seen lvl 89s with the earring of the solstice on or using apperance items yelling about getting mezzed but not having any freedom potions etc.</p><p>Stop being disrespectful and gear up. Yes, you may only have 15 aa (I can see your buffs too) but at least show you even give it an attempt. Basic gear does not cost that much even if you are new to the game and it is not an alt.</p><p>I don't expect everyone to be a twink but I do expect you to at least make an effort and stop leaching tokens from your group.</p><p>I play to have fun but I also play to win. If I do not win, I at least want to make an effort to do so. You may not play on Naggy and will never pvp outside of the BGs but you can still learn from the BGs and improve skills along with your armor. I see some great players from all the servers and they stand out not only becuase of the time and research they put into their gear but also becasue they are skilled, they look at their combat logs to see what they need to change they watch the other players and learn from them. I keep a list of great players and I look for them in every BG. I enjoy fighting with/against them. I have seen one in legendary gear tear me up and that is becuase he knows his class.</p><p>Thanks,</p>

[Darq]

<p><cite>zehly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Hah. It's like advertising for a "quick" CD run and having a 92 Conjy join with 21k hp and only parse 30k. It makes you want to kill someone. Violently.</blockquote><p>how should they gear up otherwise, it's not like CD can't be done with 2 geared people.</p><p>yall take this game way to serious.</p>

[Snoops]

<p><cite>Darq wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zehly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Hah. It's like advertising for a "quick" CD run and having a 92 Conjy join with 21k hp and only parse 30k. It makes you want to kill someone. Violently.</blockquote><p>how should they gear up otherwise, it's not like CD can't be done with 2 geared people.</p><p>yall take this game way to serious.</p></blockquote><p>It takes a few hours of questing out in WL to get a set of respectable gear so you're not totally useless in an instance. If your guildies or friends are carrying you through to get gear then whatever, but it's kind of rude to join up with a bunch of strangers, do next to nothing, and then roll need on virtually every piece of loot.</p>

[apwyork]

<p><cite>Gealaen_Gaiamancer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">Such functionality already exists--build your own pre-made group with folks who you know are already well-equipped and otherwise non-suck.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Pre-made groups are a waste.  You don't always get into the same battlegrounds let alone the same groups.  The queue time as a group tonight was a good 10 minutes whereas when single gets it was 10 seconds.</p>

[Darq]

<p><cite>Snoops@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Darq wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zehly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Hah. It's like advertising for a "quick" CD run and having a 92 Conjy join with 21k hp and only parse 30k. It makes you want to kill someone. Violently.</blockquote><p>how should they gear up otherwise, it's not like CD can't be done with 2 geared people.</p><p>yall take this game way to serious.</p></blockquote><p>It takes a few hours of questing out in WL to get a set of respectable gear so you're not totally useless in an instance. If your guildies or friends are carrying you through to get gear then whatever, but it's kind of rude to join up with a bunch of strangers, do next to nothing, and then roll need on virtually every piece of loot.</p></blockquote><p>so what? let them have it. every piece improves their dps und survivability, why should they spend hours in that boring and depressing solo zone doing solo quests alone run back and forth when they can group up and get some loot and enjoy the game. it's not like you would wear the drops anyway and it's not like 100k more or less would make a big difference in CD.</p>

[Darq]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The solution is to pick who you play with or suffer thru the below average players.</p><p>I personally think its an issue having under level 92 players in these BGs.  They're a total waste of a slot. The level 90s just fall down and die over and over again.</p><p>I'm not sure what the best fix is here.  I want to say it should be 91-92s only in the top tier since you can have a level 90 with 110 aa queing into these things the way it is now.  If the min level was 91, atleast you know they have a few AA.</p><p>Pushing the 90s down to the lower tier may have some specific issues due to the level 90 gear out there, so I don't really have a good solution other than just blacking out that level from BG =P.</p></blockquote><p>uhuh and then my 90 inq outhealed every healer 90 91 92 with a 500k difference and I'm bad at playing a healer.</p><p>and then my 90 necro solo killed this 92 sk, twice, but ok I know how to play my former main.</p>