june update plans

[Rageincarnate]

<p>Ok, i'm skeptical but if this new plan that you can use pve armor in bg's and not be completly wimpy i'll be playing again.</p><p>It will be nice to waste some pvper's again.</p><p>I think this is a great change. </p>

[Rageincarnate]

<p>here's the quote</p><p>Also, PvE armor will be effective in PvP again so everyone can easily jump into Battlegrounds without becoming squishy, and PvP players won't need an extra set of armor or be vulnerable while adventuring on the Nagafen server.</p>

[Kapath]

<p>god i hope stat itemization doesn't get increased on account of this. That's all we need is more blue stats to those paragraphs <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /> </p>

[Talathion]

<p>YaY!</p>

[Windstalker]

<p>We're really excited about the play tests we have been doing internally with Battlegrounds right now.  It's been a lot of fun and we're looking forward to getting it on Test next week.</p><p>Later this week and early next week before Test/Test Copy opens with the changes, we will give you more details -- starting Thursday with a webcast with designers and then with a few posts.</p><p>We'd love you to come and test it out using all levels of characters. There's still tweaking/balancing to be done!</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Rageincarnate@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>here's the quote</p><p>Also, PvE armor will be effective in PvP again so everyone can easily jump into Battlegrounds without becoming squishy, and PvP players won't need an extra set of armor or be vulnerable while adventuring on the Nagafen server.</p></blockquote><p>I see where they are going with this, and I've got a pretty good read on how they are accomplishing it.</p><p>I think your going to find alot more poeple having fun in BG's as you suggest.  In fact I know I'll be back in them again some in my 'downtime'.</p><p>However, there is going to be some epic complaining from PVPers getting pwned by 'noobs who bought raid gear' as a result of how they're going to make this all work.</p>

[Kryvak]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rageincarnate@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>here's the quote</p><p>Also, PvE armor will be effective in PvP again so everyone can easily jump into Battlegrounds without becoming squishy, and PvP players won't need an extra set of armor or be vulnerable while adventuring on the Nagafen server.</p></blockquote><p>I see where they are going with this, and I've got a pretty good read on how they are accomplishing it.</p><p>I think your going to find alot more poeple having fun in BG's as you suggest.  In fact I know I'll be back in them again some in my 'downtime'.</p><p>However, there is going to be some epic complaining from PVPers getting pwned by 'noobs who bought raid gear' as a result of how they're going to make this all work.</p></blockquote><p>And how exactly do you know how they're doing it? And what do you mean about noobs buying raid gear?</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>I'm interested to see how they plan to make it fair pvping with level 30s and 92s.</p><p><cite>Windstalker wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We're really excited about the play tests we have been doing internally with Battlegrounds right now.  It's been a lot of fun and we're looking forward to getting it on Test next week.</p><p>Later this week and early next week before Test/Test Copy opens with the changes, we will give you more details -- starting Thursday with a webcast with designers and then with a few posts.</p><p>We'd love you to come and test it out using all levels of characters. There's still tweaking/balancing to be done!</p></blockquote><p>I encourage you to do as much internal testing as reasonbly possible. From past experience, it is extremely unlikely there will be enough players on test copy to begin a BG match.</p><p>Has any work been done on the Frozen Tundra map?</p><p>Have any changes been made regarding class balance in BGs or PvP? Obviously something has changed if level 30s fighting along-side level 92s will be reasonably balanced and fair.</p><p>Has any work been done on the match maker? There are many simple (I would think) improvements that could be made to the match maker.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Kryvak@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And how exactly do you know how they're doing it? And what do you mean about noobs buying raid gear?</p></blockquote><p>You'll be able to see it on test soon(tm).  They're still building it and things can get tweaked for sure, but when you think about how they are normalizing PVE to PVP gear in battelgrounds, and how that can be accomplished, the resulting values on top end PVE gear will likely match up with top level pvp gear.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>when you think about how they are normalizing PVE to PVP gear in battelgrounds, and how that can be accomplished</blockquote><p>You mean by actually using the pvp check box on gear that was implemented just for this type of thing?</p>

[Kryvak]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite>I encourage you to do as much internal testing as reasonbly possible. From past experience, it is extremely unlikely there will be enough players on test copy to begin a BG match.</p></blockquote><p>If the changes are interesting enough, people will come over. Especially with it being any level now, shouldn't be a problem filling up a BG match.</p>

[Kryvak]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>when you think about how they are normalizing PVE to PVP gear in battelgrounds, and how that can be accomplished</blockquote><p>You mean by actually using the pvp check box on gear that was implemented just for this type of thing?</p></blockquote><p>What?! Not possible, that makes WAY too much sense!</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>when you think about how they are normalizing PVE to PVP gear in battelgrounds, and how that can be accomplished</blockquote><p>You mean by actually using the pvp check box on gear that was implemented just for this type of thing?</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry I can't seem to make my point in a way you can understand it.  Just wait a couple weeks and you can experience it first hand.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry I can't seem to make my point in a way you can understand it.</p></blockquote><p>It's fine.</p>

[Bloodrage]

<p><cite>Windstalker wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We're really excited about the play tests we have been doing internally with Battlegrounds right now.  It's been a lot of fun and we're looking forward to getting it on Test next week.</p><p>Later this week and early next week before Test/Test Copy opens with the changes, we will give you more details -- starting Thursday with a webcast with designers and then with a few posts.</p><p>We'd love you to come and test it out using all levels of characters. There's still tweaking/balancing to be done!</p></blockquote><p>Well SoE removed my last post so here I go again...</p><p>Dear Windstalker,</p><p>I am not excited about your alleged changes. I want to know why us PvPers/BGers have been ignored for years & now you expect us to be happy about supposed changes when any change that is promised to PvP or BGs never goes through & all of our feedback is always ignored. Thousands of posts have been ignored here on the BG forum and PvP forum, why would we waste our time coming back to BGs/PvP?</p><p>I look forward to your timely response.</p>

[Rageincarnate]

<p>Didn't she just get hired like 6 months ago?</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Rageincarnate@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Didn't she just get hired like 6 months ago?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but SJ is still the real boss <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Applo]

<p>Better to kill a dying horse than to sit back and do nothing.  My immediate response is that it will be so poorly thought out and developed that it will finally kill PvP/BGs completely.  There's been silence for too long regarding PvP and this is going to be released far too quickly for any other logical reaction.</p><p>Devs have repeatedly shown they do not understand that PvP is as serious to people as hardcore raiding and should be developed and taken into consideration just as much. </p><p>But we can hope for the best, I guess.</p>