New land in last Podcast. Speculations? [Archive]

Meirril

05-30-2012, 09:43 PM

A place that hasn't been mentioned much? New content too? The Hero Realms come to mind. Little pocket dimensions created around a strong individual. Kinda like a plane that a god forms, but smaller and more focused on the powerful individual. (sounds like a good instance/raid zone)There is that huge unnamed continent on the other side of Norrath. I don't think its been touched in any EQ lore so far.Marr's keep. Not that it would make an expansion but its somewhere we've peaked at but never known.The Awakened have to be invading from somewhere. I would presume they moved a sky island close to Velious for them to base from, or a portal from a base in Ulteria. Exploring and defeating the Awakened on their home turf would be satisfactory.Then there are our missing Kaladim Dwarves. Supposidly they have info on the Vault of Brell. Maybe we'll have an adventure in the Underfoot? Finally solve where King Stormhammer went off to and why he hasn't returned?We could even explore...the rest of Kunark! Or new sections of Velious. Heck, we could even have...an underwater expansion.Personally I'd vote for a mixture of new islands (including Highkeep) and Hero Realms. Make an entire zone for Holly Windstalker. A raid zone for Lanys. Pyzon could get her own instance where we get to experience her fustration. Maybe spend an evening with Ricantus Everling with his broken mind forming his own plane? Lots of possabilities.

Celline-Layonaire

05-30-2012, 11:01 PM

Let's keep our expectations low, I'd say. I highly doubt that they'll introduce a whole continent with the current size of the dev team. Maybe a chain of large islands or possibly a mid-sized continent. As for the 'unused areas of Kunark and the existing world', I don't know. But they said it's barely even mentioned in both EQ1/2 so I'm going to rule these out.

Anaogi

06-01-2012, 05:05 PM

Dead Hills. And Kyle Bayle's failed colony.

Zabjade

06-04-2012, 10:07 AM

Personally I wouldm't mind High Pass being a part of it, after all it would work as a Shipping Hub to other zones far-flung across the globe. (High Pass is the much rumored headquarters of the Far Seas Shipping Company) Another thing I wouldn't mind are the islands in Erudin's Crossing, and parhapts the Remnets of Odus didn't get sucked into another dimension. (Perhaps an area where a river uesd to be that is a massive multi-stage waterfall you can climb up to adventure)Of course there is also the Ocean of Tears.

Rainmare

06-05-2012, 08:29 AM

It's not anyplace that's been explored in either game though. so that rules out pretty much anythign from eq1 or eq2 we have right now.so no kithicor, or highpass, or the underfoot more then likely. npcs we've heard talked about be never really known much of will be present, and it's a place no one in either game has been to.So my guess is the Dead Hills, and learn about what Kyle Bayle is up to since being forced out of murrar shar and what became of his failed attempt at a kingdom.if they do go into the underfoot, we might see the blacksun sea that's talked about by the dwarf in the peacock club as well as wherever the Kaladim crusade ended up at.Also, we know where the Awakened is at. the conquered/is at ToV. there's an ingame book that talks about it. they conquered ToV then destroyed the rest of the western wastes between them and skyshrine.Or it could be that we'll venture into the Plane of Health. see what has become of Anashti Sul's attempts to overthrow Rodcet Nife. though I don't think singular plane would make an expansion.

Mary the Prophetess

06-06-2012, 03:20 AM

The Underfoot. *nods*

Trevalon

06-06-2012, 06:08 AM

Considering SJ said that it was a place that has never been seen in any EQ game (Eq1 and 2 - possibly EQOA) has ever seen (and that it has barely even been mentioned) then That would rule out Underfoot as there is an entire Underfoot Eq1 xpac - Also, again taking SJ at face value (haha - I know), then it would also include EQOA content meaning that the Dead Hills wouldn't be it either as it was in EQOA. Ocean of Tears is in Eq1, Taelosia is in EQ1 , as is Kithicor and Highpass - so again, it is probably not any of those or he wouldn't have said what he said.It seems to me that the most likely candidate is indeed that "Continent" on the other side of the world - or at least a portion of that continent, or better yet some islands leading us to that continent, lol. .... - It has been very very vaguely mentioned over the years, no ones ever been there...it just seems a likely candidate.Who knows really, at this point does it even really matter? They have been pulling crap out of their butts for so long I half expect them to announce that the gnomes have invented a spaceship and were going to a new solar system full of pink meerkats and blue ardvarks that all emote sad facial expressions at you when you sigh in real life of discontent at the fact that your in a new solar system and your looking at a pink Meerkat...

Trevalon

06-06-2012, 06:29 AM

Whoops sorry <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Liched

06-11-2012, 04:26 PM

i had trouble finding this it wasn't on the soevideos page<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M5MKc42e3GI#t=526s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...Kc42e3GI#t=526s</a>

Meirril

06-11-2012, 10:04 PM

Ok, not only are they talking about a new place hardly mentioned in EQ1 or EQ2 and never seen but they are also talking about it being within the End of Ages prophacy.Checking over the calendar we've been to places associated with most of the symbols on the outer rim already.<img src="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/calendar4c.jpg/sr=1" />Yeah, image is broken. <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/calendar4c.jpg/sr=1">http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...ndar4c.jpg/sr=1</a>The Ratonga/Carefax(sp) is one I can't say we've visited unless its assocated with The Hole (doubtful).The Shattering symbol seems to be associated with Luclin. Luclin was already explored so ruling it out.Possibly an unexplored portion of the Combine Empire but I can't think of any mentioned areas of it that we've never been to in either game.I belive the triangle with horns refers to Theer and we've been to his palace/the void/ulteria. I can't think of any other Theer related locations that have even been mentioned.So we come back around to the double circles. Ratonga, underfoot. Mentioned but never visited. I'm thinking the Vault of Brell. Maybe an attempt to reforge the Swords of Destiny?

Trevalon

06-11-2012, 10:17 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, not only are they talking about a new place hardly mentioned in EQ1 or EQ2 and never seen but they are also talking about it being within the End of Ages prophacy.So we come back around to the double circles. Ratonga, underfoot. Mentioned but never visited. I'm thinking the Vault of Brell. Maybe an attempt to reforge the Swords of Destiny?</blockquote>As I said above. Everquest 1 has an expansion called "Underfoot" where they specifically go to and explore the entire Underfoot.So if your first statement (as SJ said) is true that its a place that no EQ player has ever been, then Underfoot cannot be it - EQ1 players have been there.

Celline-Layonaire

06-11-2012, 10:45 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, not only are they talking about a new place hardly mentioned in EQ1 or EQ2 and never seen but they are also talking about it being within the End of Ages prophacy.Checking over the calendar we've been to places associated with most of the symbols on the outer rim already.<img src="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/calendar4c.jpg/sr=1" />Yeah, image is broken. <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/calendar4c.jpg/sr=1">http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...ndar4c.jpg/sr=1</a>The Ratonga/Carefax(sp) is one I can't say we've visited unless its assocated with The Hole (doubtful).The Shattering symbol seems to be associated with Luclin. Luclin was already explored so ruling it out.Possibly an unexplored portion of the Combine Empire but I can't think of any mentioned areas of it that we've never been to in either game.I belive the triangle with horns refers to Theer and we've been to his palace/the void/ulteria. I can't think of any other Theer related locations that have even been mentioned.So we come back around to the double circles. Ratonga, underfoot. Mentioned but never visited. I'm thinking the Vault of Brell. Maybe an attempt to reforge the Swords of Destiny?</blockquote>Barely even been mentioned in either EQ1/EQ2. That means Underfoot can't be the candidate. And the Underfoot expansion came more than 2 years ago. How can they not knot it already? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lodrelhai

06-12-2012, 05:50 AM

Completely random possibility, but maybe Ethermere?

Meirril

06-12-2012, 07:18 PM

<cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, not only are they talking about a new place hardly mentioned in EQ1 or EQ2 and never seen but they are also talking about it being within the End of Ages prophacy.So we come back around to the double circles. Ratonga, underfoot. Mentioned but never visited. I'm thinking the Vault of Brell. Maybe an attempt to reforge the Swords of Destiny?</blockquote>As I said above. Everquest 1 has an expansion called "Underfoot" where they specifically go to and explore the entire Underfoot.So if your first statement (as SJ said) is true that its a place that no EQ player has ever been, then Underfoot cannot be it - EQ1 players have been there.</blockquote>Ok, having not played EQ1 since EQ2 launched let me ask: Do they explore the Vault of Brell in EQ1? Not the Underfoot, the Vault of Brell which is a location in the Underfoot but being in the Underfoot certainly doesn't mean you've discovered the Vault of Brell.

Meirril

06-12-2012, 07:23 PM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Completely random possibility, but maybe Ethermere?</blockquote>Well, possible. But...kinda sorta maybe. In EQ1 you can retrieve your lost corpse in some other "plane". Its been a while since I had that described to me but it sounded like you were in the Ethernere when you recovered your corpse. But you could be in the real Deathtoll where the Tower of Vhalen resides.But how does Deathtoll or the Etheneer figure into the End of Ages prophacy? Also I'd figure it for later in the calendar, but I suppose its possible for it to be now.

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 07:29 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, not only are they talking about a new place hardly mentioned in EQ1 or EQ2 and never seen but they are also talking about it being within the End of Ages prophacy.So we come back around to the double circles. Ratonga, underfoot. Mentioned but never visited. I'm thinking the Vault of Brell. Maybe an attempt to reforge the Swords of Destiny?</blockquote>As I said above. Everquest 1 has an expansion called "Underfoot" where they specifically go to and explore the entire Underfoot.So if your first statement (as SJ said) is true that its a place that no EQ player has ever been, then Underfoot cannot be it - EQ1 players have been there.</blockquote>Ok, having not played EQ1 since EQ2 launched let me ask: Do they explore the Vault of Brell in EQ1? Not the Underfoot, the Vault of Brell which is a location in the Underfoot but being in the Underfoot certainly doesn't mean you've discovered the Vault of Brell.</blockquote>I can see Vault of Stone from the Underfoot quest texts but not sure if that would count as the vault of brell'You have agreed to assist Gotonur in making a keystone. In order to do this, you must brave the halls of the Vault of Stone, retrieve the keystone from the vault guardian, and bring it back to Gotonur so that he can make a keystone. '

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 07:34 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Completely random possibility, but maybe Ethermere?</blockquote>Well, possible. But...kinda sorta maybe. In EQ1 you can retrieve your lost corpse in some other "plane". Its been a while since I had that described to me but it sounded like you were in the Ethernere when you recovered your corpse. But you could be in the real Deathtoll where the Tower of Vhalen resides.But how does Deathtoll or the Etheneer figure into the End of Ages prophacy? Also I'd figure it for later in the calendar, but I suppose its possible for it to be now. </blockquote>Oh that Shadowrest Place?

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 07:37 PM

I think they have not taken into consideration EQOA and we will see the Dead Hills again due to the recent Kyle Bayle stuffWell I hope so <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I would like to see Ethernere and some whole Planes of Power style universe creating event but I doubt that will be until EQ3 is about ready to launch

Meirril

06-12-2012, 07:42 PM

The real question in my mind is where will the prophasy send us next? Out of the symbols in the outer ring, what haven't we visited?The Awakened (top center) is probably a refrence to the Kingdom of Sky. The Shattering...probably Luclin? Possibly something else. Oblivion, we just went to the Void to face Theer. The Theer symbol that Euradites use seem to indicate Euradin and by current extention Ulteria. Combine Empire- Unknown location. Quite possibly one of the 2 remaining Combine Cities: Qeynos and Freeport. Both cities have existed since the Combine Empire. The Rallos symbol probably indicates Drunder more than Kael. The Caertax symbol (ratonga symbol?) probably is a refrence to the Underfoot, or to the Roekillik's prison: The Vault of Brell. The Greenmist symbol is associated with a few locations. It could be seen as a Kunark refrence, a refrence to the Moors of Ykesha, or even a refrence to the Temple of Cazic Thule. I don't believe we've ever herd where the Greenmist comes from so it could be we'll find out. I just don't think its likely.Depending on where you want to put us on the calendar you could say we've moved from the Shattering in a counter clockwise direction and currently we're at the Combine Empire symbol. So we're either due to visit a location in the empire or it just signifies the recent decleration of the New Combine Empire and we're due to move into whatever the triangle with horns symbol actually means (Theer?)(Deathtoll?)(Prime?).

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 08:08 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The real question in my mind is where will the prophasy send us next? Out of the symbols in the outer ring, what haven't we visited?The Awakened (top center) is probably a refrence to the Kingdom of Sky. The Shattering...probably Luclin? Possibly something else. Oblivion, we just went to the Void to face Theer. The Theer symbol that Euradites use seem to indicate Euradin and by current extention Ulteria. Combine Empire- Unknown location. Quite possibly one of the 2 remaining Combine Cities: Qeynos and Freeport. Both cities have existed since the Combine Empire. The Rallos symbol probably indicates Drunder more than Kael. The Caertax symbol (ratonga symbol?) probably is a refrence to the Underfoot, or to the Roekillik's prison: The Vault of Brell. The Greenmist symbol is associated with a few locations. It could be seen as a Kunark refrence, a refrence to the Moors of Ykesha, or even a refrence to the Temple of Cazic Thule. I don't believe we've ever herd where the Greenmist comes from so it could be we'll find out. I just don't think its likely.Depending on where you want to put us on the calendar you could say we've moved from the Shattering in a counter clockwise direction and currently we're at the Combine Empire symbol. So we're either due to visit a location in the empire or it just signifies the recent decleration of the New Combine Empire and we're due to move into whatever the triangle with horns symbol actually means (Theer?)(Deathtoll?)(Prime?).</blockquote>Symbol of rallos would probably be related to the death of rallos zek after the arrival of the combine Ratonga one after it might be the chatari stuff in western wastes maybe which would kind of lead us to Sub-tunaria i guess or maybe undefootPretty sure subtunaria has been mentioned in all of the games as well but we never visited (ok it's collapsed here but maybe not all of it)Shame if it is though i want to go to the dead hills

Mary the Prophetess

06-12-2012, 08:18 PM

Isn't Sub-Tunaria technically a part of the Underfoot?

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 08:24 PM

I think the main difference is that brell created a magical portal to the underfoot in the belly of norrath where as subtunaria would be mostly be the underground area of what was Antonica/Tunaria but probably spreads out further (i can't say whether or not it would reach the chitari in the western wastes though)

Mixxit

06-12-2012, 08:33 PM

I'm confused about the zek thing though unless the zek twins pull some trick on us since it is positioned after the combine

Meirril

06-13-2012, 09:01 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Isn't Sub-Tunaria technically a part of the Underfoot?</blockquote>No. The Underfoot is the realm of Brell. Sub-Tunaria is a series of caves that perty much ran through out Norrath. By stories there should be entire underground socieities of Kobolts, Dwarves, Teir'dal, Gnolls and other underground dwelling races living there.Also for the most part it was destroyed by the rending. The major explination of why the oceans and topigraphy changed so much was because the caverns of Sub-Tunaria collapsed which caused major earthquakes and huge shifts in land masses.I believe EQ1 has an entire expansion based on exploring a sub-tunarian ocean. I could be wrong about that though.

Meirril

06-13-2012, 09:03 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm confused about the zek thing though unless the zek twins pull some trick on us since it is positioned after the combine</blockquote>Lore-wise Rallos is defeated BEFORE the New Combine is formed. (and before we explore the Withering Lands and Skyshrine.)I think its possible that we're moving counter clockwise around the circle, or that the events don't necessaraly have to happen in a certain order. If we are moving counter-clockwise we're almost done.

Mixxit

06-13-2012, 10:07 PM

but didnt the 5 o clock event happen after the 3 o clock event?<img src="http://kithicor.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ages-End-Prophecy-by-Whilhelmina-Storms-Server.jpg" width="672" height="896" />

Celline-Layonaire

06-13-2012, 10:27 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think they have not taken into consideration EQOA and we will see the Dead Hills again due to the recent Kyle Bayle stuffWell I hope so <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I would like to see Ethernere and some whole Planes of Power style universe creating event but I doubt that will be until EQ3 is about ready to launch</blockquote>EQnext is a re-imagining of EQ franchise. Not parallel or another universe. Entirely not related. It's like when you incidentally encounter a person named Alluvial who is currently living in eastern Europe. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />

Mixxit

06-13-2012, 10:44 PM

it will probably be related to an event that happens here though <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> just like what happened with eq2 at launch

Zabjade

06-15-2012, 01:59 AM

Hmm I wonder...they mentioned that it the new zone has been mentioned a couple of times but not traveled to...The Sunless Sea? (Might have the name wrong)I think it was mentioned in some of the Neriak Story lines and in the Freethinker Bar in Maj'Dul (Please PLEASE update this zone to have interesting stuff in it again!)

The_Cheeseman

06-18-2012, 01:53 AM

My money is on the Dead Hills. As others have already pointed out, it's the logical continuation of the events involving Murrar Shar and Kyle Bayle which haven't really gone anywhere since we got into the Velious story.

ttobey

06-18-2012, 01:59 AM

I hope it's Luclin!

Calthine

06-18-2012, 02:22 AM

<cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope it's Luclin!</blockquote>HA!

The_Cheeseman

06-18-2012, 05:28 PM

<cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope it's Luclin!</blockquote>Honestly, the raid bosses in Luclin had enough HP and AC, I believe they could survive the detonation of their planet.

Iad

06-18-2012, 06:58 PM

<cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope it's Luclin!</blockquote>Luclin better be in EQ Next, or it's your fault!

Meirril

06-18-2012, 09:19 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>but didnt the 5 o clock event happen after the 3 o clock event?<img src="http://kithicor.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ages-End-Prophecy-by-Whilhelmina-Storms-Server.jpg" width="672" height="896" /></blockquote>Wow. The cake eh? Anyways...The reason I'm saying to go counter clockwise is it fits the events better. The 3 o'clock event is the Rending. the 1:30 would be the Shattering. The Noon matches the Awakened (i.e. exploring Kingdom of Sky, or the revival of the Awakened Cult). X at 11 is a greenmist symbol, which could be a match for Kunark and us taking down the leviathan/rediscovery of the calendar/chelsith. Double circles at 9 could be a refrence to the roekillik (and the SF expansion). Rallos symbol refering to Drunder (and the DoV expansion). The combine symbol could be a reference to the current activity...but a location?It could be we'll head to somewhere the combine has operated or somewhere associated with Theer next. It could be that Deathtoll is actually the seat of Theer's realm of ballance.

The_Cheeseman

06-19-2012, 12:39 AM

Honestly, from the conversation with Theer during the DoV signature questline, it doesn't seem like he's really got much left to do until Kerafyrm is dealt with. His main powers have been stripped from him, and we've already made it abundantly clear that we adventurers are the stronger combat force (you know, since we beat him). I think his part in the story is basically finished, except maybe as a supporting character in the fight against The Awakened.I find Theer to be a somewhat difficult character to understand. Supposedly, his main motivation is to preserve the balance of the universe, but he really seemed to be throwing a bit of a temper tantrum with the whole inter-planar invasion deal. I mean, I understand his desire to escape his unjust imprisonment, but by drawing Odus into Ultera to act has a bridge, he's basically doomed the universe by causing the Underfoot--and by extension the rest of the Planes of Power--to be sucked into the Void. That seems like some pretty bad planning on his part.I guess he figures his job will be really easy when there's nothing left in the universe but a giant black hole.

Celline-Layonaire

06-19-2012, 01:28 AM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly, from the conversation with Theer during the DoV signature questline, it doesn't seem like he's really got much left to do until Kerafyrm is dealt with. His main powers have been stripped from him, and we've already made it abundantly clear that we adventurers are the stronger combat force (you know, since we beat him). I think his part in the story is basically finished, except maybe as a supporting character in the fight against The Awakened.I find Theer to be a somewhat difficult character to understand. Supposedly, his main motivation is to preserve the balance of the universe, but he really seemed to be throwing a bit of a temper tantrum with the whole inter-planar invasion deal. I mean, I understand his desire to escape his unjust imprisonment, but by drawing Odus into Ultera to act has a bridge, he's basically doomed the universe by causing the Underfoot--and by extension the rest of the Planes of Power--to be sucked into the Void. That seems like some pretty bad planning on his part.I guess he figures his job will be really easy when there's nothing left in the universe but a giant black hole.</blockquote>So, nothingness = perfect state of balance = no headache = easy solution, huh? =)and I wonder about what will come after the Age's end prophecy. You know, I'm a bit tired to see the 'world on the brink of a precipice' happening every few years. Our heroes and champions of Norrath must be tired as hell now, don't you think? What about an expansion where the main story arc isn't related to such words like "invasion, threat, evil one, bloodshed, world's end, catastrophe, killing, etc.." ? I mean, Norrath needs peaceful time at least once, like Ultima 4 : Quest of the Avatar <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

Zabjade

06-19-2012, 02:21 AM

<cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope it's Luclin!</blockquote>I ALREADY named that one in my mind LONG ago. Instead of "Shadows of Luclin" the new one is "Shards of Luclin" and you get a tinkered Gnomish ship (Based on studies of the Temple of Life in Qeynos)to go between the survable pockets!

Mixxit

06-19-2012, 02:25 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>but didnt the 5 o clock event happen after the 3 o clock event?<img src="http://kithicor.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ages-End-Prophecy-by-Whilhelmina-Storms-Server.jpg" width="672" height="896" /></blockquote>Wow. The cake eh? Anyways...The reason I'm saying to go counter clockwise is it fits the events better. The 3 o'clock event is the Rending. the 1:30 would be the Shattering. The Noon matches the Awakened (i.e. exploring Kingdom of Sky, or the revival of the Awakened Cult). X at 11 is a greenmist symbol, which could be a match for Kunark and us taking down the leviathan/rediscovery of the calendar/chelsith. Double circles at 9 could be a refrence to the roekillik (and the SF expansion). Rallos symbol refering to Drunder (and the DoV expansion). The combine symbol could be a reference to the current activity...but a location?It could be we'll head to somewhere the combine has operated or somewhere associated with Theer next. It could be that Deathtoll is actually the seat of Theer's realm of ballance.</blockquote>I thought the 3 o' clock event was the shadowed men symbol? I figured it was 12 Rending, 1:30 Shattering, 3 Shadowed men arrival (TSO), 4:30 Theer/Odus events, 6 Combine begins formation, 7:30 Plane of War, 9 - something happens with the ratonga (lead up to the Qeynos launch and the arrival of the ratonga there?) 10:00 death?Although Al'Kabor says "I don't believe so. The symbols don't seem to match the events taking place at this moment, although it's possible I could be misreading them. It appears to portray certain pieces being in place, but what those pieces are, I cannot say."

Meirril

06-19-2012, 06:03 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>but didnt the 5 o clock event happen after the 3 o clock event?</blockquote>Wow. The cake eh? Anyways...The reason I'm saying to go counter clockwise is it fits the events better. The 3 o'clock event is the Rending. the 1:30 would be the Shattering. The Noon matches the Awakened (i.e. exploring Kingdom of Sky, or the revival of the Awakened Cult). X at 11 is a greenmist symbol, which could be a match for Kunark and us taking down the leviathan/rediscovery of the calendar/chelsith. Double circles at 9 could be a refrence to the roekillik (and the SF expansion). Rallos symbol refering to Drunder (and the DoV expansion). The combine symbol could be a reference to the current activity...but a location?It could be we'll head to somewhere the combine has operated or somewhere associated with Theer next. It could be that Deathtoll is actually the seat of Theer's realm of ballance.</blockquote>I thought the 3 o' clock event was the shadowed men symbol? I figured it was 12 Rending, 1:30 Shattering, 3 Shadowed men arrival (TSO), 4:30 Theer/Odus events, 6 Combine begins formation, 7:30 Plane of War, 9 - something happens with the ratonga (lead up to the Qeynos launch and the arrival of the ratonga there?) 10:00 death?Although Al'Kabor says "I don't believe so. The symbols don't seem to match the events taking place at this moment, although it's possible I could be misreading them. It appears to portray certain pieces being in place, but what those pieces are, I cannot say."</blockquote>Getting rid of the cake image for sanity's sake.I'm perty sure that Everling Lore indicates that the double triangle image is the Rune of Oblivion. <a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=287">http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=287</a>Which does point to a relationship with the Shadowmen/Theer. Not sure why I think it is also associated with the Rending. But that could also point to it being the end of the events.One thing to note: According to Lore Rallos Zek was defeated prior to the formation of the New Combine Empire and we moved on to Skyshrine. I can't remember exactly which quest that is mentioned in but I believe its Vishra that says Rallos Zek has been defeated which hasn't actually happened as far as raid progression goes.

Mixxit

06-20-2012, 05:35 AM

If it is going clockwise the bone symbol at 11 o clock could represent what happened (or may be still happening) in the Dead HillsI mean logically it would be our next step after the qeynos event if that is indeed tied to ratonga and the symbol at 9 o clock

Meirril

06-20-2012, 08:04 AM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is going clockwise the bone symbol at 11 o clock could represent what happened (or may be still happening) in the Dead HillsI mean logically it would be our next step after the qeynos event if that is indeed tied to ratonga and the symbol at 9 o clock</blockquote>The symbol is tied to Caertax who is a Roekillik/Ratonga diety. A guy that hangs out in an eternal maze in isolation who has amazing psychic powers. Assumedly he sequesters himself because he doens't want to be bothered with other being's thoughts.But the symbol isn't proven to mean Caertax either. It is just an association with him. It could mean the maze he is in, it could mean Ratonga, it could mean Roekillik, it could refer to the place where the Roekillik were imprisoned (the valut of brell). We're not sure exactly what it means. You could encounter Caertax in the Hole, but he was just a trash named. Heroic. It couldn't be the diety of the Roekillik race. I'm assuming that was an imposter or a Roekillik posessed by Caertax.Now for my question: Why do you want to associate the Greenmist (the X symbol) with the Dead Hills?

Raknid

06-20-2012, 11:08 AM

Maybe it was there all along and I just noticed, but last night when I was using a travel globe there was a land feature off to the west of the map that I had not notices before.

Cyliena

06-20-2012, 12:35 PM

<cite>Raknid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe it was there all along and I just noticed, but last night when I was using a travel globe there was a land feature off to the west of the map that I had not notices before.</blockquote>This is from pre-Velious (May 2010): <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/Im/Image/166913" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/Im/Image/166913</a>Since they're unmarked on the bell, the far west land is Odus and northeast is KoS. Was it something different that you saw?

Raknid

06-20-2012, 12:41 PM

<cite>Cyliena wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe it was there all along and I just noticed, but last night when I was using a travel globe there was a land feature off to the west of the map that I had not notices before.</blockquote>This is from pre-Velious (May 2010): <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/Im/Image/166913" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/Im/Image/166913</a>Since they're unmarked on the bell, the far west land is Odus and northeast is KoS. Was it something different that you saw?</blockquote>LOL. No, that was it. Guess I just never noticed it.

Mixxit

06-21-2012, 11:10 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is going clockwise the bone symbol at 11 o clock could represent what happened (or may be still happening) in the Dead HillsI mean logically it would be our next step after the qeynos event if that is indeed tied to ratonga and the symbol at 9 o clock</blockquote>The symbol is tied to Caertax who is a Roekillik/Ratonga diety. A guy that hangs out in an eternal maze in isolation who has amazing psychic powers. Assumedly he sequesters himself because he doens't want to be bothered with other being's thoughts.But the symbol isn't proven to mean Caertax either. It is just an association with him. It could mean the maze he is in, it could mean Ratonga, it could mean Roekillik, it could refer to the place where the Roekillik were imprisoned (the valut of brell). We're not sure exactly what it means. You could encounter Caertax in the Hole, but he was just a trash named. Heroic. It couldn't be the diety of the Roekillik race. I'm assuming that was an imposter or a Roekillik posessed by Caertax.Now for my question: Why do you want to associate the Greenmist (the X symbol) with the Dead Hills? </blockquote>Ooo I wasn't aware it had been asssociated with the greenmist, is that on an item or something? I just took it at face value as deathI totally agree on the symbols representing something and not particularly an object (like the the rune of phenomena one being at erudin since eq1 for example) I think some symbols might be direct links like the combine symbol and others representing objects or a force etc like the shatteringThere hasn't been much of a description of what caused the Dead Hills to be the destroyed appearance it is - except snippits of lore from the Xulous and 1001 tales of maj'dul. It would be interesting to hear if the green mist was involved with any of that he certainly had some influence in that area with the feerott/temple of cazic not being so far awayI remember rezekiel saying something about how the lizardmen fled the dead hills during that eventEdit (made it a bit more readable)

The_Cheeseman

06-21-2012, 07:31 PM

The symbols themselves were found by the Shissar among the planes and were subsequently appropriated by various people for their own use. The symbol the Combine Empire uses pre-dates Katta and probably most of the species on Norrath. There are entities in the Planes that even the gods don't fully understand, so it is entirely possible that the central symbol that looks like a head with horns, and has been connected to both Innoruuk and Veeshan, actually has nothing to do with either of them.The crossed bones symbol has been linked to the Greenmist, but I can't recall the exact reference at the moment. Can anybody help out with that? I don't think anybody has connected it to the Dead Hills, as far as I know. The reason we suspect the Dead Hills will be the new land the devs referred to is because there is currently an unfinished storyline in the game centered around Kyle Bayle's resurrection, and he was the one who founded the kingdom in the Dead Hills.Personally, I think the crossed bones symbol represents the destruction of the Shissar empire by the Greenmist. I say that, because it is explicitly stated by the book in Nektropos Castle that the Shissar called it a "Doomsday Calendar" because it foretold both the destruction of their race and the end of Norrath.

Mixxit

06-22-2012, 12:12 PM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The symbols themselves were found by the Shissar among the planes and were subsequently appropriated by various people for their own use. The symbol the Combine Empire uses pre-dates Katta and probably most of the species on Norrath. There are entities in the Planes that even the gods don't fully understand, so it is entirely possible that the central symbol that looks like a head with horns, and has been connected to both Innoruuk and Veeshan, actually has nothing to do with either of them.The crossed bones symbol has been linked to the Greenmist, but I can't recall the exact reference at the moment. Can anybody help out with that? I don't think anybody has connected it to the Dead Hills, as far as I know. The reason we suspect the Dead Hills will be the new land the devs referred to is because there is currently an unfinished storyline in the game centered around Kyle Bayle's resurrection, and he was the one who founded the kingdom in the Dead Hills.Personally, I think the crossed bones symbol represents the destruction of the Shissar empire by the Greenmist. I say that, because it is explicitly stated by the book in Nektropos Castle that the Shissar called it a "Doomsday Calendar" because it foretold both the destruction of their race and the end of Norrath.</blockquote>Quote:The shissar referred to the calender as a doomsday calender since it held the date of the death of the shissar race and destruction of Norrath. Among the many runes of this calendar was the rune of Sunder, the foreteller of the death of the moon.What if the Rune of Sunder is the death of the Shissar (since they fled to luclin) notice how it says Race and not Empire in the above quoteI haven't ever seen the reference for the crossed bones being the greenmist but i'd love to read it if there is oneYou say to Al’Kabor, “What is your theory, then?”Al’Kabor says to you, “Look at the sigils and what they represent. Look at how they are placed. What do you see?”You say to Al’Kabor, “Well, if what you’re saying is correct, then the inner symbols seem to represent beings and places. Similarly, the outer ring would appear to be events – things that have happened in Norrath’s past represented on the Chelsith Stone.”Al’Kabor says to you, “My theory is this. The sigils in the outer ring are a specific series of events. These events are somehow connected, either with each other or with a larger event that they all play a part in. As these events come to pass, we grow ever closer to the culmination of Age’s End.”Perhaps the central ring may give us more information as to where we are going next as well

Meirril

06-25-2012, 11:20 AM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quote:The shissar referred to the calender as a doomsday calender since it held the date of the death of the shissar race and destruction of Norrath. Among the many runes of this calendar was the rune of Sunder, the foreteller of the death of the moon.What if the Rune of Sunder is the death of the Shissar (since they fled to luclin) notice how it says Race and not Empire in the above quoteI haven't ever seen the reference for the crossed bones being the greenmist but i'd love to read it if there is oneYou say to Al’Kabor, “What is your theory, then?”Al’Kabor says to you, “Look at the sigils and what they represent. Look at how they are placed. What do you see?”You say to Al’Kabor, “Well, if what you’re saying is correct, then the inner symbols seem to represent beings and places. Similarly, the outer ring would appear to be events – things that have happened in Norrath’s past represented on the Chelsith Stone.”Al’Kabor says to you, “My theory is this. The sigils in the outer ring are a specific series of events. These events are somehow connected, either with each other or with a larger event that they all play a part in. As these events come to pass, we grow ever closer to the culmination of Age’s End.”Perhaps the central ring may give us more information as to where we are going next as well</blockquote>The only thing I can come up with off the top of my head is the Greenmist Orb uses a coin with that symbol as a cutout. Outside of that I can't think of anywhere the crossed-bones gets uses that isn't a pirate flag. Usually you figure out what the symbol represents by who carries it. No where in EQ or EQ2 does it say what the Combine symbol looks like, but we know because it was used by both Katta and the Loyalists. The same applies to most of the other symbols.But who would use a symbol for the Greenmist? Honestly, only the Shissar. It isn't like Cazic followers are going to start sporting Greenmist symbols instead of Cazic symbols.What I find interesting is you can link most of the symbols into the various expansions, if your willing to streach a little here and there. Now does that make the Shattering symbol represent the beginning of EQ2, or its end (of this story arc)? Both?

Mixxit

06-26-2012, 08:57 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite>The only thing I can come up with off the top of my head is the Greenmist Orb uses a coin with that symbol as a cutout. Outside of that I can't think of anywhere the crossed-bones gets uses that isn't a pirate flag. Usually you figure out what the symbol represents by who carries it. No where in EQ or EQ2 does it say what the Combine symbol looks like, but we know because it was used by both Katta and the Loyalists. The same applies to most of the other symbols.But who would use a symbol for the Greenmist? Honestly, only the Shissar. It isn't like Cazic followers are going to start sporting Greenmist symbols instead of Cazic symbols.What I find interesting is you can link most of the symbols into the various expansions, if your willing to streach a little here and there. Now does that make the Shattering symbol represent the beginning of EQ2, or its end (of this story arc)? Both?</blockquote>Oh wow! How can I not remember the orb in PR! If the shissar assigned that symbol to it and it was supposed to soak up the greenmist it does sound like it was linked to the greenmist entity itself or perhaps the power that fuels the greenmist - they got all these symbols from the planes yep?Assuming what Al'Kabor said is right about the outer items being events do you think the greenmist symbol is representing the shissar greenmist event, the battle of defiance event or something to come?What do you mean by the shattering representing the end of this story arc? It's hard to look at the combine empire as an event as I can't think of anything in the past that would have triggered this doomsday process - perhaps it is just something to come or as you mentioned the appropriation of this symbol (again the shissar got these symbols from the planes didn't they?) it is an event that happened quite some time agoI can see now how looking at the calendar from different perspectives can completely change it's overall prophetic uses and now I'm still not sure what the next expansion location would be

Meirril

06-26-2012, 02:02 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite>The only thing I can come up with off the top of my head is the Greenmist Orb uses a coin with that symbol as a cutout. Outside of that I can't think of anywhere the crossed-bones gets uses that isn't a pirate flag. Usually you figure out what the symbol represents by who carries it. No where in EQ or EQ2 does it say what the Combine symbol looks like, but we know because it was used by both Katta and the Loyalists. The same applies to most of the other symbols.But who would use a symbol for the Greenmist? Honestly, only the Shissar. It isn't like Cazic followers are going to start sporting Greenmist symbols instead of Cazic symbols.What I find interesting is you can link most of the symbols into the various expansions, if your willing to streach a little here and there. Now does that make the Shattering symbol represent the beginning of EQ2, or its end (of this story arc)? Both?</blockquote>Oh wow! How can I not remember the orb in PR! If the shissar assigned that symbol to it and it was supposed to soak up the greenmist it does sound like it was linked to the greenmist entity itself or perhaps the power that fuels the greenmist - they got all these symbols from the planes yep?Assuming what Al'Kabor said is right about the outer items being events do you think the greenmist symbol is representing the shissar greenmist event, the battle of defiance event or something to come?What do you mean by the shattering representing the end of this story arc? It's hard to look at the combine empire as an event as I can't think of anything in the past that would have triggered this doomsday process - perhaps it is just something to come or as you mentioned the appropriation of this symbol (again the shissar got these symbols from the planes didn't they?) it is an event that happened quite some time agoI can see now how looking at the calendar from different perspectives can completely change it's overall prophetic uses and now I'm still not sure what the next expansion location would be </blockquote>Back then we wern't going around and saying the graphic for items had any lore value. Now? Not so sure after all that Ydal business.The Orb from PR is suppose to contain a little bit of the Greenmist. It wasn't the Shissar that made it, rather it was an attempt by the ancient Iksar to make sure they had weapons against the Shissar if they ever returned.Like I said above I think the Greenmist symbol is a stand in from Kunark, or possibly the Moors as the Greenmist had a huge hand in the current state of both expansions. Out of the two, the Greenmist touched the Moors of Ykesha much more recently and indeed, spared some Ogres that agreed to worship Cazic.Or it could be we'll finally find out what the greenmist actually is. The story behind it is very much untold.As for the Combine symbol, it could be refering to the New Combine Empire's formation. Or it could be pointing towards an old abandoned Combine city. It is difficult to think there is such a thing, but it is possible. Maybe Catta Castillium or Seru (the city) survived the Shattering and the Awakened are using it as a base? Maybe Greig's mad experiments into teleportation managed to save...something.Oh! Or maybe Emperor Katta will walk out of his status chamber and lay a claim to the New Combine Empire? Exploring his statis chamber may be interesting...to lots of folks. Not just agents of Mayong Mistmoor.

Exothria

06-28-2012, 12:30 PM

Maybe Drinal?

Cusashorn

06-28-2012, 06:19 PM

<cite>Exothria wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe Drinal?</blockquote>Drinal is canonically no different from Earth's own moon, Luna. An exceptionally minimal atmosphere not capable of supporting life, and it's surface is scarred with craters from millions of years of asteroid impacts.Of course, nothing is stopping the devs from retconning Vhalen's little tidbit about it right into oblivion and making the moon whatever the hell they want.

Celline-Layonaire

06-29-2012, 02:14 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Exothria wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe Drinal?</blockquote>Drinal is canonically no different from Earth's own moon, Luna. An exceptionally minimal atmosphere not capable of supporting life, and it's surface is scarred with craters from millions of years of asteroid impacts.Of course, nothing is stopping the devs from retconning Vhalen's little tidbit about it right into oblivion and making the moon whatever the hell they want.</blockquote>Of course they can, but will they 'really' do sh*t on lore of that magnitude in 5 years from now, it's another question...

The_Cheeseman

07-03-2012, 06:03 AM

I doubt they'll ever do anything with Drinal. It would seem like just "Luclin v2.0", always existing in the shadow of its predecessor (pun intended). Plus, if they wanted to have another moon expansion, they wouldn't have blown-up Luclin in the first place.

Meirril

07-06-2012, 12:33 AM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>I doubt they'll ever do anything with Drinal. It would seem like just "Luclin v2.0", always existing in the shadow of its predecessor (pun intended). Plus, if they wanted to have another moon expansion, they wouldn't have blown-up Luclin in the first place.</blockquote>Oh! I know. We'll do an entire expansion based on chronomagic sending us to alternative dimensions where we have to steal key parts for a device to sever the link between Odus and The Void while also sealing The Hole to prevent Norrath from being sucked into The Underfoot.And we get to be the villans. We blow up Luclin. We trap Rikantis Everling in the void and rip his soul to shreads. We teach Miragul the fundamentals of chronomagic and lure him to the Eternal Prism. We set up the Ethernaughts to buy us time. We begin the void army. We kill off the Kedge. We cause Ro to curse Tunaria. We do it all to save Norrath.

Celline-Layonaire

07-07-2012, 04:05 AM

I currently have no evidences at all to back my argument, but I wonder if anyone is guessing the recent story arc about the Qeynos revamp might be related to the next expansion? Some of people here seem to be pointing to the Dead hills place... and I hear Kyle Bayle is currently related to the Circle of Ten..

The_Cheeseman

07-09-2012, 01:10 AM

<cite>Celline-Layonaire wrote:</cite><blockquote>I currently have no evidences at all to back my argument, but I wonder if anyone is guessing the recent story arc about the Qeynos revamp might be related to the next expansion? Some of people here seem to be pointing to the Dead hills place... and I hear Kyle Bayle is currently related to the Circle of Ten.. </blockquote>Kyle Bayle isn't really related to the Circle of Ten, he was merely in temporary possession of the body of a circle member. Kyle Bayle is currently a disembodied spirit, as I recall, since we managed to push him out of Murrar Shar. There is a very good chance that the new Qeynos lore will tie-in with the Dead Hills, it would be a logical jumping-off point for the new expansion. I haven't checked out the new Qeynos stuff though (heck, I don't really even login to Live anymore these days) so I can't say for certain. Whether or not the new lands in question actually are the Dead Hills, it seems like the story with Kyle Bayle is far from over.

Rainmare

07-09-2012, 02:27 AM

If no one minds some spoilers....yes, Kyle Bayle is back. the Council of Ten is divided between supporting Kyle, and supporting Antonia. Kyle (as of right now in the questline. we still are barred/bugged in places) As gotten himself a new body. provided Kyle isn't destoryed somehow in the Qeynos storyline, it's made very clear he's after the throne. if we shove him out...that's a pretty good chance I bet he'll take up residence in his former 'kingdom' he tried to forge int he Dead Hills. he may even take the council members supporting him with him if he does.right now the 5 supporting him are doing everything they can to discredit/turn the people against Antonia. so it's all politics and backalley bargains and double dealings and hidden treachery in Qeynos with them. but if they lose, and are exposed, Kyle going to the Dead Hills and trying to claim the throne by force might be a focal point in the next expansion.

Celline-Layonaire

07-09-2012, 03:33 AM

Thanks for the in-depth infoz guys and gals =)Very interesting. I for one wish that this expansion isn't related to the aliens, another dimensions, god, otherworldly forces...etc this time. (but don't get me wrong here 'cause I didn't say I hate these elements. I just wanted some fresh air)And I also would like to see the rivalry, all-out war situation, or espionage-themed expansion between major cities of Norrath <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Maybe, my idea can be sort of post-Age's end prophecy thing.... but who knows

Rainmare

07-09-2012, 04:27 AM

well right now...all the issues in Qeynos (the burb quests) are the fault/dealings of various members of the 5 'mutinous' Council members...or the problems are known to the council and they are being kept hushed up as best they can.their major beefs with Antonia is:1) she joined the Combine (effectively 'allying' with Neriak/Gorowyn/Freeport) without thier consent (she didn't need it, it was a royal decree after her meeting with Lucan and Yelniak)2) allowing the Freebloods/Ratonga into the city3) Sending people to rescue Lucan D'Lere after the attempt by Tayil to take over freeport. (as she was rightfully understanding that the only way to control freeport was either genocide or Lucan's own methods, neither of which she was willing to do)So Kyle shows up in his 'undead' glory...and five of the Council have sided with his attempt to bid for the throne as the 'legit' heir...and they are screwing with the beauracracy, making deals with unsavory types, to discredit/turn the people against antonia.

The_Cheeseman

07-09-2012, 10:42 AM

Hmm... I always get a bit worried when fictional works that have long accepted the existence of black-and-white morality start getting into politics and intrigue. Hopefully they manage to pull it off without seeming contrived.

Meirril

07-09-2012, 11:06 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>well right now...all the issues in Qeynos (the burb quests) are the fault/dealings of various members of the 5 'mutinous' Council members...or the problems are known to the council and they are being kept hushed up as best they can.their major beefs with Antonia is:1) she joined the Combine (effectively 'allying' with Neriak/Gorowyn/Freeport) without thier consent (she didn't need it, it was a royal decree after her meeting with Lucan and Yelniak)2) allowing the Freebloods/Ratonga into the city3) Sending people to rescue Lucan D'Lere after the attempt by Tayil to take over freeport. (as she was rightfully understanding that the only way to control freeport was either genocide or Lucan's own methods, neither of which she was willing to do)So Kyle shows up in his 'undead' glory...and five of the Council have sided with his attempt to bid for the throne as the 'legit' heir...and they are screwing with the beauracracy, making deals with unsavory types, to discredit/turn the people against antonia.</blockquote>So...5 of the top leaders of Qeynos decide to side with the guy that took over Murr Shar's body, murdered 1 of their number, stole the Qeynos Claymore, and almost killed Antonia because she "betrayed" them? All of this was the prelude to TSO. Not to mention the prophacy that spells doom for Qeynos if he ever does receive the throne!You know, they could of picked a better canidate. Like Nathan Ironforge. Or anyone else in Qeynos. Seriously, this is like Gotham City believing Batman needs to be stopped and they put the Joker in as police commissioner because he's the man to do it.Or a better way to do it. Just start demogauging in the streets accusing the Ragonga and Freebloods of every little thing that goes wrong. Blame the Queen for their presence. Blame her infatuation with Lucan D'lere for her bad judgement. Blame her bad fashion sense as a sign of why she shouldn't be on the throne. Force her to abdacate her position in favor of another Heir.If you really wanted to use Kyle, then have Kyle pose as a legitimate heir that recently was able to get to Qeynos from an island recently discovered. He could fake his credientials since he's very familiar with the family line and artifacts.Meh. Lets just rescue Bayle from the Void and put him on the throne. At the very least nobody would question his credentials or bloodline.

Tyrus Dracofire

07-09-2012, 03:39 PM

love that cake, want a slice please.ok, i am just thinking, remember those "refugee of mara" from Wantia?.yeah, i am thinking never seen before "Wantia" continent, the land of Samurai lords, with warring factions similar to "Romance of the 3 Kingdoms", ronins and ninjas. both China and Japan has wealth of many stories since from ancient time.whole new line of armors and lots of lots of crafting themes, big gong, varied models with plate disk or bell shapes, varied Chinese and Japanese signature weapons.asian elephant mount versions, and too many to list <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Halo of G4

07-10-2012, 12:01 AM

I'm all for Kyle Bayle being in charge instead of that bimbo queen as if she came out of a run of the mill 80's cartoon show.

Lodrelhai

07-10-2012, 12:56 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...5 of the top leaders of Qeynos decide to side with the guy that took over Murr Shar's body, murdered 1 of their number, stole the Qeynos Claymore, and almost killed Antonia because she "betrayed" them? All of this was the prelude to TSO. Not to mention the prophacy that spells doom for Qeynos if he ever does receive the throne!</blockquote>Wasn't that the SF prelude where we learned about that curse? When the two swords were stolen, if I remember right.My logs seem to have disappeared, but I remember in that prelude we also learned that the curse of the firstborn taking the throne had already either happened or been broken. Kyle's fallen kingdom in the Dead Hills seems like a possible fulfillment of the firstborn curse...

Mixxit

07-10-2012, 12:59 AM

<img src="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25535993/antoniaclothing.png" width="494" height="518" />:-O

The_Cheeseman

07-11-2012, 03:01 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wasn't that the SF prelude where we learned about that curse? When the two swords were stolen, if I remember right.My logs seem to have disappeared, but I remember in that prelude we also learned that the curse of the firstborn taking the throne had already either happened or been broken. Kyle's fallen kingdom in the Dead Hills seems like a possible fulfillment of the firstborn curse...</blockquote>I don't recall anything about the curse being broken from that event, but I don't have logs either, and it has been a while. There's no way of knowing that the whole curse wasn't a load of BS from the start, though. That's what makes vague prophecies so effective, you can always just assume they haven't happened yet, until what they prophesied inevitably happens due to random, unrelated happenstance.

The_Cheeseman

07-11-2012, 03:02 AM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25535993/antoniaclothing.png" width="494" height="518" />:-O</blockquote>Were you going through the Queen's closet? Please tell me you weren't trying-on her shoes?!?

Meirril

07-11-2012, 03:46 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...5 of the top leaders of Qeynos decide to side with the guy that took over Murr Shar's body, murdered 1 of their number, stole the Qeynos Claymore, and almost killed Antonia because she "betrayed" them? All of this was the prelude to TSO. Not to mention the prophacy that spells doom for Qeynos if he ever does receive the throne!</blockquote>Wasn't that the SF prelude where we learned about that curse? When the two swords were stolen, if I remember right.My logs seem to have disappeared, but I remember in that prelude we also learned that the curse of the firstborn taking the throne had already either happened or been broken. Kyle's fallen kingdom in the Dead Hills seems like a possible fulfillment of the firstborn curse...</blockquote>Yeah, your right. SF prelude. I was off one expansion.Kyle was the cursed one. Not only did he almost cause a civil war because he was denied the throne but he also went off, founded his own kingdom and perty much proved the curse exists when his kingdom fell.Now just because he's died once doesn't mean the prophacy no longer applies to him. If he gets the throne, it should spell the end of Qeynos.You know, wouldn't it be funny if EQ2 ended the End of Ages with armageddon happening? They could stop developing the game at that point and just live on in free-2-play obscurity.

The_Cheeseman

07-17-2012, 08:36 AM

Wouldn't it be easier for them to just cut funding, assuming they wanted to do that? Everquest is still a AAA MMO franchise, I can see no reason why they'd want to intentionally torpedo one of their cornerstone properties.

MalletMan

07-17-2012, 12:35 PM

About the Rescue of D'Lere, does this mean Tayil N'Velex is dead? I wasn't playing during that part, i left just after the citadel fell.

Meirril

07-17-2012, 03:22 PM

<cite>MalletMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>About the Rescue of D'Lere, does this mean Tayil N'Velex is dead? I wasn't playing during that part, i left just after the citadel fell.</blockquote>As part of a live event we help Tayil to enter the Citadel and recover Soulfire after Lucan disappears. She then reveals that she is working with the Shadowmen and escapes to the Void to give the sword to Rohen Theer. If she was replaced with a Shadowmen agent or made a deal with them is unclear. What happened after she entered the void is also left unknown.It stands to reason that her condition probably hasn't greatly changed since she entered the void. What could the Shadowmen offer Tayil that would get her to betray Lucan? Who knows? The one thing you can say is she didn't make a deal with them to remove Lucan because she handed over the sword and fled Freeport after Lucan had been kidnapped by the Void invasion force. If she needed to recover the sword, she could of had an agent deliver the sword. If she just wanted to take over Freeport would of been perty easy to take over with Lucan gone, Soulfire in hand and the political landscape in turmoil. A big push from her and the Freeport Millita could of thrown out the Thex invaders. A few promises and the Academy would of supported her. Showing Soulfire, claiming to be Lucan's daughter and also claiming that Lucan ascended to become a full god would of swayed the church long enough to establish Tayil's rule. The Coalition of Tradesfolk would then start seeking her favor as the most influential person in town that could establish their safty. That perty much just leaves the Seafurries and Dreadnaughts to deal with. The Seafurries could be either bought off or temporaraly kicked out of town. With any of the 2 major factions under one person's control I don't think the Seafurries would make too much noise. The Dreadnaughts are not only idiots, but too weak as an orginization to be more than pawns or roadbumps. Tayil could of probably gotten them to betray the Thex insurrection in a heartbeat with a promise of amesty, one of the villages for them to control and some minor token of appreciation.Or hang them all as traitors. Make them the scapegoats for the invasion of the Citadel. Someone needs to hang for that, obviously. Its a lot easier hanging a bunch of street thugs than the Queen of another city.

Rainmare

07-17-2012, 04:14 PM

She doesn't flee Freeport after she takes the sword. She's was the Freeport Militia faction leader. her bargain was she delivers the sword to Theer, he removes Lucan so she can take over. it's after Lucan returns that she fled. and it's the reason why Opal is seeking her, and the reason why Lucan allowed Cristanos' Inquisition in Longshadow. Tayil was supposedly connected to/is a powerful member of the Thexians..and Lucan allowed the inqusition to help him find Tayil, who is still at large.If Opal finds her, she get her 'status' restored. she might not be the Foci again, but she'll no longer have to hide who she is under her many, many, MANY disguises.if the Arasai uncover her, she's to be delivered to the Freeport Militia/Lucan.Lucan is very much actively seeking Tayil....who though that yes, Lucan removed it'd be an easy takover as leader of the militia. but then the whole place went to hell in a handbasket. every faction that was in the city was vying to become the leader. the Thexians, the Dreadnaughts, the Academy, the Temple, the Militia, the Coalition...and it turns out everyone decided to gang up on the Miltia first, as that was Lucan's 'backbone' of power in Freeport.which si why the miltia got quickly smacked around some and pinned down to thier headquarters in West Freeport.

Meirril

07-18-2012, 10:23 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>She doesn't flee Freeport after she takes the sword. She's was the Freeport Militia faction leader. her bargain was she delivers the sword to Theer, he removes Lucan so she can take over. it's after Lucan returns that she fled. and it's the reason why Opal is seeking her, and the reason why Lucan allowed Cristanos' Inquisition in Longshadow. Tayil was supposedly connected to/is a powerful member of the Thexians..and Lucan allowed the inqusition to help him find Tayil, who is still at large.If Opal finds her, she get her 'status' restored. she might not be the Foci again, but she'll no longer have to hide who she is under her many, many, MANY disguises.if the Arasai uncover her, she's to be delivered to the Freeport Militia/Lucan.Lucan is very much actively seeking Tayil....who though that yes, Lucan removed it'd be an easy takover as leader of the militia. but then the whole place went to hell in a handbasket. every faction that was in the city was vying to become the leader. the Thexians, the Dreadnaughts, the Academy, the Temple, the Militia, the Coalition...and it turns out everyone decided to gang up on the Miltia first, as that was Lucan's 'backbone' of power in Freeport.which si why the miltia got quickly smacked around some and pinned down to thier headquarters in West Freeport.</blockquote>That is a big hole in the whole Freeport storyline. Why is Lucan trusting the Arasai to do anything? They worship Cristanos as their creator/diety. If anything, they are more loyal to Cristanos than any teir'dal would be.Also if Tayil was a big mover and shaker in the Thex line she could of subverted Prince Naylox's troops to assist her in making a bid to take over Freeport. As it was, the Thex forces held half of Freeport, the Milita held one quarter and the Seafurry Bucaneers held a quarter. If the Thex had an ally in Tayil it would of been convient to support her and with 3/4ths of Freeport firmly under their control Lucan would never have been able to return.It is obvious that Tayil was dealing with the Shadowmen. What those deals were isn't so obvious. Again, Tayil could of been a shadowmen vessel at that point. I doubt it since most of the shadowmen agents have been clumsy at impersonating people but she could of been replaced hundereds of years ago.Mostly I thought the Freeport Milita didn't make more of a show of taking over because Tayil left town. A leadership vaccum and the resulting squabble to fill it would leave the Milita as non-players in the political infighting when they were poised as the defacto rulers of Freeport.

Rainmare

07-22-2012, 04:44 PM

yeah the Inquisition is there becuase of precisely how fanatical those little buggers are. doing the mage timeline you see that those litte guys are quite happily torturing every single dark elf in Longshadow looking for 'Thexians' and Tayil.Tayil's guise in Freeport as the lucanic knight was to get you to not question her motives. but she was very much the militia leader...as herself, she was promoting herself as the new leader and would be lucan's successor. as the knight, she was spouting about being loyal to lucan and using that to hide her motives about seeking to enter the citadel/get Soulfire.the Thexians and Tayil isn't really explained. it's more hinted that she had been working with them. but you know that the Teir'dal are notoriously treacherous. Talvus wanted freeport as his base to move on cristanos, and Tayil wanted to basically keep the status quo just with her in charge.and yeah the militia got ganged up on once all hell broke loose. the Thexians/Academy/Temple/Dreadnaughts all turned on the militia. common schoolground tactic. the milita under lucan was the most powerful faction. when lucan went missing, the Militia took the initial beating to put them down and out of the running to stay in power.