you want to fill BG's again?

[Davngr1]

<p> Add amazing PvP armor/items to raid mobs. </p><p>  that way the players who play this game will have this nice loot they will want to try out in bg's and it will become competitive and fun again.   yes this will sorta leave the casual/non-raider at a disadvantage but lets face it..  i rather have 200+ people running bg's with better gear than me then the die hard 25 or so that run it right now with equal gear.    there isn't enough variety any more.   it's thundra after thundra after thundra with the exact same people over and over again.</p>

[Delethen]

<p>What on earth would the point of that be?  You may as well just jump on the Talathion bandwagon of removing pvp stat separation because its tantamount to the same thing. </p><p>As for the whole tundra tundra tundra thing, that hasn't really been the case recently, its more 50 50 with gears, but thats probably more due to the fact there was hardly anyone playing.  And on that note, its been constant tumbleweed the last week, nobody has been queueing up at all. </p><p>All they have to do to make people do BGs in bigger numbers is to put worthwhile rewards in from the merchants.  You just have to look at how much stuff they've stuck on the dyod marketplace to realise that's all that's needed.  Because DYOD is total junk* and people keep doing it just for the marketplace items.</p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">* - in my opinion; sadly i'm sure there must be someone out there that actually likes it</span></p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What on earth would the point of that be?  You may as well just jump on the Talathion bandwagon of removing pvp stat separation because its tantamount to the same thing. </p><p>As for the whole tundra tundra tundra thing, that hasn't really been the case recently, its more 50 50 with gears, but thats probably more due to the fact there was hardly anyone playing.  And on that note, its been constant tumbleweed the last week, nobody has been queueing up at all. </p><p>All they have to do to make people do BGs in bigger numbers is to put worthwhile rewards in from the merchants.  You just have to look at how much stuff they've stuck on the dyod marketplace to realise that's all that's needed.  Because DYOD is total junk* and people keep doing it just for the marketplace items.</p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">* - in my opinion; sadly i'm sure there must be someone out there that actually likes it</span></p></blockquote><p>Nobodys playing because 99% of the people who did battlegrounds did so for Fun/PvE gear.</p><p>Separating stats was a stupid idea.</p><p>Battlegrounds wasn't made for PvP players, it was made for PvE players.</p><p>PvE players will not waste there time on non-progressive content that nobody else does, and they won't waste there time on content that isn't fun.</p><p>Battlegrounds should have PVE RULES, AND PVE GEAR with procs that help you against FIGHTING players. (Stonewill, Lifetap, Armor Reduction, Healing Reduction.)</p>

[Grumble69]

<p>There were a LOT of things that killed BG for me.  I'm a PvE player that played it for about 6 months or so.  Yeah, it was mostly about the gear.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">BUT</span> it was just a different way to go about getting it.  BGs were a breath of fresh air.  Then they came out with the 2nd gen armor.  And it became obvious this was just going to be a never ending hamster wheel.  On top of that, I just got tired of getting rolled by the PvP crowd.  BGs eventually forced the PvE folks into making a hard choice--you can either devote yourself entirely to BGs and work on getting better, or you can go back to the PvE world.  There really wasn't a casual / in-between choice.  Since BGs is such a very small little world, it shouldn't surprise anyone about what folks chose.</p><p>---------------------</p><p>Having said that, I would love for there to be a "Hunger Games" themed BG.  Normally I don't advocate for cookie cutter avatars and I would much prefer to play my own character.  But I think it would be really cool to start off in a large environment (uni class chars) where you pick up gear on the fly and contend with some PvE while fighting other players in a last man standing format.  Two parts skill and one part luck on what you acquire.  The longer you last, the more tokens you get to spend on items in the PvE world.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Grumble69 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Having said that, I would love for there to be a "Hunger Games" themed BG.  Normally I don't advocate for cookie cutter avatars and I would much prefer to play my own character.  But I think it would be really cool to start off in a large environment (uni class chars) where you pick up gear on the fly and contend with some PvE while fighting other players in a last man standing format.  Two parts skill and one part luck on what you acquire.  The longer you last, the more tokens you get to spend on items in the PvE world.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like Dungeon Maker.</p><p>The same 10 people will probably play it too. Lol</p>

[Grumble69]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sounds like Dungeon Maker.</p><p>The same 10 people will probably play it too. Lol</p></blockquote><p>That's about as many that play BG.  /shrug</p><p>Anyway the point is to strip a char down to nothing and be reliant on what you pick in an arena.  I guess it doesn't have to be an avatar to do that.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What on earth would the point of that be?  You may as well just jump on the Talathion bandwagon of removing pvp stat separation because its tantamount to the same thing. </p><p>As for the whole tundra tundra tundra thing, that hasn't really been the case recently, its more 50 50 with gears, but thats probably more due to the fact there was hardly anyone playing.  And on that note, its been constant tumbleweed the last week, nobody has been queueing up at all. </p><p>All they have to do to make people do BGs in bigger numbers is to put worthwhile rewards in from the merchants.  You just have to look at how much stuff they've stuck on the dyod marketplace to realise that's all that's needed.  Because DYOD is total junk* and people keep doing it just for the marketplace items.</p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">* - in my opinion; sadly i'm sure there must be someone out there that actually likes it</span></p></blockquote><p>  need gear separation stats are insane.    </p><p>   what we need is to get the raiding community back into BG's cos if that hapens it will be fun and alive again.    like other psters have said the casual crowd isn't into pvp anyhow</p>

[Delethen]

<p>I've never raided in EQ2 but I'm pretty certain that if I did, I would not be happy to kill a mob and have PvP gear drop in place of PvE gear.  Not on a PvE server anyway.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never raided in EQ2 but I'm pretty certain that if I did, I would not be happy to kill a mob and have PvP gear drop in place of PvE gear.  Not on a PvE server anyway.</p></blockquote><p>   clearly you don't understand the word "add", if i had said "replace" then your comment would have made sense.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p>First the guy who said it takes so much time to get the gear, your wrong by far, I had 5 toon's fully geared and with raid gear at the same time, there is 0 to no time you have to spend to get gear, it's all about how much effort will you put on your part.</p><p>Second bg's are slightly boring, it's the same stuff over and over, and a lot of go into one an do even care about winning the whole thing just want to kill people. </p><p>Third don't be looking for them to fix any of this anytime soon, they already second anything pvp related will be taken care of some other time, how many times has this been said..well we still got the same weapons from 3 xpacs ago.</p><p>Honestly I don't think they will improve anything to do with bg's/pvp at all. They make it clear it's not there focus. What they are doing is beyond me, the reason I quit mainly, my server went from the highest population to the lowest because of lack of dev's putting fixes on issue's. Look at bg's they used to be so full of people. Now look at them, same concept. You can't put one idea down and say this is the reason it all fell apart there is so many reason it's unbelievable, so when you say this is the reason bg's/pvp are downhill keep in mind that's your reason not everyone else's.</p>

[Delethen]

<p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never raided in EQ2 but I'm pretty certain that if I did, I would not be happy to kill a mob and have PvP gear drop in place of PvE gear.  Not on a PvE server anyway.</p></blockquote><p>   clearly you don't understand the word "add", if i had said "replace" then your comment would have made sense.</p></blockquote><p>I understand it just fine, I presumed however that you meant adding it to the loot table rather than an extra loot.</p>

[Talathion]

<p>Stats are fine, remove gear separation.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Stats are fine, remove gear separation.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah let someone come hit you with over 200% pot and cb and see how much it is...</p>

[Elwin]

<p>Keep gear separation or be wtfpwnd by raiders.</p>

[Talathion]

<p>I don't care, Battlegrounds isn't meant for PvP players and wasn't made for them, Battlegrounds was made for PvE players, you can have your pvp only gear on pvp servers, with pvp only stats, but they should be terrible in battlegrounds, because honestly, battlegrounds isn't pvp.</p><p>Besides, Skyshrine gear is so easy to get...get quested gear and then do hm drundar raids!</p>

[Wengchun]

<p>To be perfectly frank, what really killed battlegrounds was a bunch of jagamuffins using speedhacks and the GM's doing nothing about it. Its not really hard figuring out how to catch these people. Each BG was its own little zone and all they would have had to do was insert the max speed any player could achieve through in-game mechanics and scan for anything above that "speed" and perma-ban the accounts. Not hard to figure out when someone showed up in front of you, grabbed the flag and 2 secs later they were at their base. Got old quick.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Wengchun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To be perfectly frank, what really killed battlegrounds was a bunch of jagamuffins using speedhacks and the GM's doing nothing about it. Its not really hard figuring out how to catch these people. Each BG was its own little zone and all they would have had to do was insert the max speed any player could achieve through in-game mechanics and scan for anything above that "speed" and perma-ban the accounts. Not hard to figure out when someone showed up in front of you, grabbed the flag and 2 secs later they were at their base. Got old quick.</p></blockquote><p>Sounded like the racial buffs.</p><p>Also, it was because of gear separation, boring new zone you had to grind, and pvp only stats.</p><p>in BGs before that GU, they were filled with constant ques, after the update, deserted.</p><p>Before there was all that as well, but people really didn't care as long as they had fun.</p><p>With gear separation and it being its own mini game, its no longer fun, but just a waste of time.</p><p>Many players loved doing battlegrounds to test there new gear and procs to see how they did in them as well.</p>

[Iren]

<p>ill agree with talathion here about gettign rid of the stat speration but only if they added BG gear on par with raid otherwise like someone else said, you would end up with raiders comign in and owning the bg</p><p>it would bring people back to BG because they would have another way of gettign raid quality gear through bg.</p><p>and also PLEASE get rid of npcs in pvp zones, noone wants to fight pve stuff in a pvp zone</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Iren@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ill agree with talathion here about gettign rid of the stat speration but only if they added BG gear on par with raid otherwise like someone else said, you would end up with raiders comign in and owning the bg</p><p>it would bring people back to BG because they would have another way of gettign raid quality gear through bg.</p><p>and also PLEASE get rid of npcs in pvp zones, noone wants to fight pve stuff in a pvp zone</p></blockquote><p>Thats how SF was, the gear that was in BGs rivaled EM Raid drops in stats.</p>

[Delethen]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Iren@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ill agree with talathion here about gettign rid of the stat speration but only if they added BG gear on par with raid otherwise like someone else said, you would end up with raiders comign in and owning the bg</p><p>it would bring people back to BG because they would have another way of gettign raid quality gear through bg.</p><p>and also PLEASE get rid of npcs in pvp zones, noone wants to fight pve stuff in a pvp zone</p></blockquote><p>Thats how SF was, the gear that was in BGs rivaled EM Raid drops in stats.</p></blockquote><p>Except no, it didn't.</p>