Unfinished Work

[Meirril]

<p>Asking one of those questions. If the devs decided to revisit an area of the existing EQ2 world and clean things up (lore-wise) where would you most want them to go?</p><p>I'm thinking Mistmoor Castle. For such an old structure, with a lot of secrete research being performed there is remarkably little in the way of written notes or quests to say what Mayong is up to or done in the past.</p><p>Anyways, going to limit myself to just one choice. So, what is yours?</p>

[Morghus]

<p>Almost all of the expansions after they became no longer relevant seem at least to me, to have issues with closure as to what actually happened within the expansion. I am curious as to "what is canon" for them. Are raid kills and heroic quest lines 100% canon and assumed to have all been completed unless openly stated otherwise?</p><p>Desert of Flames: Are we to assume that Lockjaw, Godking, Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn master are all dead, and that Majdul is no longer controlled by the Vizier for example?</p><p>Also, Venekor's trophy bust from KoS saying we could see him again is pretty odd as well...unless of course he happens to turn up somewhere in Velious.</p><p>The biggest one in my opinion is Kunark, since if raid kills and quests are all canon, then Kunark must be in terrible political shape at the moment with Venril, Trakanon, the entire Ring of Scale, and Selrach Di'zok all dead, and Rile's real phylactery being in the possession of players.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>Well, the internal logic of raid progression vs story has always been that story trumps actual player actions. Unless a major plot point mentions that you have killed off an NPC don't count on that NPC being dead lore-wise.</p><p>Take Mayong Mistmoor for example. In Kunark you can meet him and hold a peice of the Shissar Calendar for him. Perty much this is your first meeting with Mayong. Nevermind that you have raided his castle and killed him in both his own instance, the contested version and the version in the New Tunaria court, this is the first time the story has officially introduced you to him.</p><p>According to the story of DoF they Godking is destroyed as a part of a heritage quest. So since the story says he is dead, he is. Though we're talking about the undead here, are the undead ever beyond the point of return?</p><p>Barakah and Siyamak were defeated as part of the Djinn master's story. The master himself may or may not be dead but he was definately defeated. As part of the Hero of Maj'dul story, the Vizier, the court of tears and the heads of the three courts have all been removed and replaced with new more hopeful leaders. Lore follows the story, not the raid body count.</p><p>When in doubt, ignore the raids and follow the story lines. Especially the signature quests.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Actually, when you see him in Kunark, you do mention you thought he was dead...and he basically waves if off as you saw what he wanted you to see. the idea being you were causing trouble, he let you 'beat' him so you'd move on and leave him to do what he was working on.</p><p>but as to things I'd like to see cleared up? I wanna know who they might have found to take over for New Tunaria. was it Fironia? a new lineage all together? I wouldn't mind also finding out what happened with Barakah and Siyamak. I beleive the official story of the Ring is that they are all indeed dead but 1 member. probably Xygoz is alive.</p><p>i also wouldn't mind seeing what might have been happening Nagafen and Vox. in one of the obelisks the shadowedmen in thier effort to acquire Woushi, mention a dragon that wants to restore it's lost companion, and that they might have a device that can take the essence of a being and put it in a new body and were going to let the dragon have it to test it. could Nagafen have actually gotten it and found a way to restore Vox? maybe given her a new, prismatic, body?</p>

[Mixxit]

<p>I'm going to have to say Tanaan/Forsaken City lore</p>

[Coniaric]

<p>There are so many, small and large, loose ends.</p><p>In regard to the deaths of the named characters, they're usually dead <em>until revealed otherwise</em>. The trophies? Those beings are dead ... yes, even Venekor. Any trophy that doesn't display a body part, that mean that being is still alive and active - hence the Mayong's coffin and the swords of Roehn Theer. They're not deceased after all - thus no head on display.</p><p>Of course, all of this can change in the future updates and expansions. Anything is hardly set in the stone. Anyone that had been killed can just show up alive and kicking.</p><p>Anyway, I'll mention a few that I haven't seen wrapped up or touched on:</p><p>After Darathar's death, what's going on with the Oracle tower and the Sage of Ages? Had Darathar been replaced with a new Sage?</p><p>When the Master Djinn is defeated, is the deal between him and the dragons dissolved and the dragons are free? Or they all died with no resolution to their tradegy?</p><p>What is the state of New Tunaria, now that dozens of adventurers had gone through this city repeatedly despite the citizens' protests against the outsiders? Both Lenya and Marcus Thex cannot, or will not, take up their royal duties due to their status as vampires, so who will take up the crown and finally take New Tunaria away from its xenophobic mindset?</p><p>The fate of the dwarves who were still in Kaladim is unknown. When we reentered Kaladim, we found it to be overrun by the Horde and the rest of the dwarves were missing. Where are they? Are they all killed in the invasion? If not, had they escaped and established another city in other part of the Underfoot?</p><p>It was mentioned when Anashti Sul reappeared on Norrath, she will take on the task of reclaiming what she believe is rightfully hers ... so ... has anything come out of that? Basically, what are the gods of Norrath are doing over the last few years? And where are the rest of them? We have some insights about Rallos Zek and his children recently, but not on the rest.</p><p>The story leading up to the final fate of Luclin should, hopefully, be interesting, but we have yet to hear about it. Will there be one or will the mystery be kept in its grave forevermore?</p><p>Well, those are just a few I have. There are more, but it'll do for now.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Take Mayong Mistmoor for example. In Kunark you can meet him and hold a peice of the Shissar Calendar for him. Perty much this is your first meeting with Mayong. Nevermind that you have raided his castle and killed him in both his own instance, the contested version and the version in the New Tunaria court, this is the first time the story has officially introduced you to him.</p></blockquote><p>can conferm what Rainy says above. if you have defeated him in EoF first then he has extra dialog during the kunark part.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>Definitely Kunark. Is Venril actually dead? I don't think the trophies classify as proof of their deaths being canon. If Venril's actually dead, doesn't that mean that Rile would have taken over the Empire? For that matter, it's mentioned by Master Vlox, that Swifttail that Rile sent to Freeport, that Rile is planning something, which is later amplified in the mention of Visk during the new Iksar racial quests, that ancient outpost on Faydwer where, IIRC, the Iksar had allied with local minotaur clans to start an invasion of Faydwer (though ill-advised even back then, due to the fledgling Cabilisian Empire's vulnerability if they committed any forces to a real invasion of the continent). So, the big thing I want to hear a definitive answer on is this: Is Venril Sathir actually dead canonically, and has Rile taken his place? The Sathirian Empire, unlike Emperor Vekin in EQ1, does have the ability to conscript the forces necessary to send /anything/ towards Visk without compromising their cities and outposts to the Di'Zok/remaining, aimless Rime forces.</p><p>Which is another thing, concerning Kunark/Velious tie-ins. The Order of Rime. Is Kraytoc Killingfrost actually dead? If so, what are the forces on Kunark doing? Just milling about aimlessly? Or have they not heard the news? Though I'd like to know the answer concerning my question about the current leadership of the Sathirians moreso than that concerning the Rime.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>I made a huge post about the lack of an "aftermath" being a large issue with this game. I understand it's important to maintain the integrity of the story line as it's experienced.</p><p>Not everyone can go through it during the expansion that it's based.</p><p>However, it's equally bad to have an unchanging world completely or ambiguously unaffected by your efforts. It adds to the stagnation and monotony of the game. Every major quest or zone completion really needs some kind of residual effect, at least following the expansion it takes place in.</p><p>Not everyone wants to extrapolate and pretend they made a difference. Most want to see it, or read it, or hear it.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The fate of the dwarves who were still in Kaladim is unknown. When we reentered Kaladim, we found it to be overrun by the Horde and the rest of the dwarves were missing. Where are they? Are they all killed in the invasion? If not, had they escaped and established another city in other part of the Underfoot?</p></blockquote><p>Before Kaladim was invaded King Stormhammer left Kaladim with the majority of the population on an expedition to take the Vault of Brell. As Kaladim was only being held by a skeleton force the army you see in Kaladim now was able to easily defeat the dwarves holding the city. The survivors of the Kaladim watch force left behind plus other dwarves that have returned from other parts of Norrath have built the forts and started training to retake Kaladim as you see now.</p><p>What happened to King Stormhammer's expedition is unknown. One of the great mysteries of EQ2 that hasn't been touched on since EoF went live.</p>

[Celline-Layonaire]

<p><cite>Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I made a huge post about the lack of an "aftermath" being a large issue with this game. I understand it's important to maintain the integrity of the story line as it's experienced.</p><p>Not everyone can go through it during the expansion that it's based.</p><p>However, it's equally bad to have an unchanging world completely or ambiguously unaffected by your efforts. It adds to the stagnation and monotony of the game. Every major quest or zone completion really needs some kind of residual effect, at least following the expansion it takes place in.</p><p>Not everyone wants to extrapolate and pretend they made a difference. Most want to see it, or read it, or hear it.</p></blockquote><p>I think they're slowly doing what you just described.... but very slowly I guess.</p><p>Not enough manpower(Norrath and it's contents are vast, anyway) + old game engine + their focus of introducing more things instead of stopping and fixing what they already have on their hands once in a while + old contents and quests are not designed to reflect changes....etc</p>