R.I.P. Ne Plus Ultra

[Ballads]

<p>You haven't competed for a ww raid first in eq2 with out competing against NPU. From launch till a few hours ago the most famous/infamous guild the game has ever known. I dont think a guild in any game will ever be able to keep such a long track record end game accomplishments.</p><p>But now, the doors are closed and the fun is over.</p><p>  R.I.P. NPU</p>

[Novusod]

<p>Not everyday a guild like NPU bites the dust.</p>

[Brigh]

Who? What? Huh?

[Deago]

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpI</a></p><p>Any idea why?  Internal strife? SOE mess? Moved to a diff game?</p>

[Raknid]

<p>Sad to hear. Good luck to all NPUers in whatever you move on to.</p>

[Vinyard]

<p>Destiny of Velious claims another guild.</p><p>RIP</p>

[SOE-MOD-08]

This post has moved: <a href="/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=500098&post_id=5729705" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=50009...post_id=5729705</a> Trolling.

[Parable]

<p>lol raid guilds, what's that!?</p><p>Here's the new list of how to rank guilds and players in eq2 2012:</p><p>Who bought the most station cash</p><p>Who gifted the most expansions</p><p>Who's house has the best rating</p><p>Who's dungeon is the cutest</p>

[Zorastiz]

<p>Never heard of them - Who cares!</p>

[Triste-Lune]

Not sure if troll when people claim to not know NPU. If you indeed dont know NPU then it speaks volume of your lack of interrest in raiding anything competetively or efficiently. Well i guess the 2hander + shield got them.

[kahonen]

<p><cite>Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Never heard of them - Who cares!</p></blockquote><p>Trust me, if you care at all about the game we all play, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>need</strong></span> to care when guilds like this throw their hands in. </p><p>There is very little that has been done in this game that NPU have not done first. </p><p>It's a sad day when guys like these decide that they've had enough!</p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>kahonen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Never heard of them - Who cares!</p></blockquote><p>Trust me, if you care at all about the game we all play, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>need</strong></span> to care when guilds like this throw their hands in. </p></blockquote><p>QFE.</p><p>As I understand it at least...</p><p>It is a VERY bad sign when guilds that have been around as long as, and accomplished as much, as NPU fail, in spite of continuosly trying to persevere.</p><p>This isn't some guild blowup where petty issues drive people apart. This is a guild driven apart by issues with the GAME.</p>

[Gaealiege]

<p>[Edited for trolling.]</p><p>Best of luck in whatever MMO you guys move to NPU.</p>

[Finora]

<p><cite>kahonen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zorastiz@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Never heard of them - Who cares!</p></blockquote><p>Trust me, if you care at all about the game we all play, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>need</strong></span> to care when guilds like this throw their hands in. </p><p>There is very little that has been done in this game that NPU have not done first. </p><p>It's a sad day when guys like these decide that they've had enough!</p></blockquote><p>Means nothing unless we know WHY they threw their hands up. Many a successful long term guild ends up splitting because of internal issues, new games & other factors. Things happen and not all of them are directly related to the game they happen in.</p><p>Its always a bit sad when long term guilds collapse.  That being said, them being gone is their business, not mine. And in the end, it doesn't make much difference to anyone who didn't hero worship them.</p>

[Gaealiege]

<p>The point flew over your head, Finora, but that's okay.  While you were decorating your 15th house these guys were the ones clearing all content in the game in the top three worldwide since 2004. </p><p>These were the guys that knew mechanics down to the actual formulas.  You know, the players valuable to long-term stability of the raiding portion of the game.  The people that could give informed feedback on mechanics changes and, obviously given their longevity in the game, players that cared about EQ2.</p><p>Guilds come and go, but in the highest end most of these guilds don't just disappear.  Whenever a high end guild fizzles the vast majority of the time it's because of the game.  Dracos Argent being an exception.  =D</p>

[DamselInDistress]

<p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Means nothing unless we know WHY they threw their hands up.</p></blockquote><p>+1.</p><p>I haven't seen any announcement from them so unless you can post something from them with a reason, this whole thread is fail. Even if it's true no one here has a clue why it happened so stop embarassing yourselves.</p>

[Triste-Lune]

<p><cite>from another site:</cite></p><blockquote>Terell was done raid leading quite awhile ago and debating changing guilds. Anyone who's talked to Alix in the last year knows he was sick of EQ2 and the way the game's changed. One mob alive or dead isn't going to change that beyond the time it takes a disco to scroll off the screen.</blockquote><p>it s the way the game heading that is causing guild to die.</p><p>everything is aimed at the lowest common denominator and housewive exploiting their husband CC on the station market.</p><p>there hasnt been any real raiding content in over 6 months reguardless of what SJ said about plane of war being ready it isnt and that s why SOE put a huge crit chance roadblock on first named in there. the loot is broken and not rewarding. the raiding difficulty is dumbed down to disable people at random so that they cant play their character and die instead of real challenge.</p><p>NPU was a guild where people hating each other could live together cause they were killing stuff and getting loot and feel a sense of achievement, they wouldnt have crumble because of internal struggle.</p>

[feldon30]

<p>It's interesting that the people who practically despise raiders and mock them every chance they get are the first ones on the offensive in this thread.</p><p>Crafters have had it pretty good over the last few years. We've had the Homeshow forum, forum contests, Live Events, plus, we had the near-undivided attention of Domino for 2 years. Crafting is a perfectly valid playstyle and I've got four level 90 crafters. The housing system is one of the strengths of EQ2. But to look down your nose at raiders who haven't had any of that support or attention is really beyond the pale.</p><p>SOE built a game with grouping, questing, crafting, and yes, raiding. If you have a problem with raiding, take it up with SOE, not the people who buy SOE's product and use one of its advertised features.</p><p>NPU (their name can be translated as "None Better") was not just a top guild for 8 years, but also counted EQ2 Developers as members. Every person who has grouped or raided in EQ2 over the years should at least recognize that NPU and other guilds have helped test it, report bugs, and delve into the mechanics of EQ2 combat systems to find bugs that are buried deep that would never be found otherwise.</p><p>You don't have to respect people who have a different gameplay style than you, but people should recognize that raiders have been operating with less and less help from SOE over the last few years, with content bugged for months and minimal development interaction, all while bugs in Live Quests or Tradeskilling gets fixed within days.</p><p>It is not a surprise that NPU is calling it quits, but it shows the direction of EQ2's focus, and maybe the focus of the players.</p><p>People don't want to work for anything anymore. They want to just press a button and win.</p>

[DamselInDistress]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People don't want to work for anything anymore. They want to just press a button and win.</p></blockquote><p>That, right there summarises the state of the MMO industry at the moment, althought I would probably change it and say "some people dom't want to work for anything."</p><p>I think that's the legacy of a certain game out there which all the others are trying to copy, although god knows why. Not everyone is like that though and i can't wait for a day when a company realises there is a market out there for those who still have a few brain cells left.</p>

[Gaealiege]

<p>I would change your "some" to "overwhelming majority", Damsel.</p>

[Gaealiege]

<p>That relationship is reciprocal.  Tradeskillers/house decorators commenting on the death of raid guilds would definitely be in the category of irrelevant. </p><p>Oh and I have two decorated homes and two tradeskillers as well as being top end material.  I believe they call that a triple threat.</p>

[isest]

<p>Do we know why or what happened I went to NPU's website and there is nothing there that says they closed the doors.  I know a few of their folks but really have only played with them in public quests.  Scrubs like me and yes I been called a scrub by them despite the fact that I raid in raiding guild, but not up to their standards, so what we not cleared all of hard mode yet.</p><p>I just find it crazy that such a large hard core raiding guild would go poof just like that, it just shows the direction the game is headed if a hard core raiding guild cant keep it together.</p>

[feldon30]

<p>For those who doubt the news.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.me/g/Guk/Ne%20Plus%20Ultra" target="_blank">eq2.me/g/Guk/Ne Plus Ultra</a></p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>who?</p>

[isest]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For those who doubt the news.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.me/g/Guk/Ne%20Plus%20Ultra" target="_blank">eq2.me/g/Guk/Ne Plus Ultra</a></p></blockquote><p>Good grief they are down to 5 acount omg.</p>

[Gravy]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's interesting that the people who practically despise raiders and mock them every chance they get are the first ones on the offensive in this thread.</p><p>Crafters have had it pretty good over the last few years. We've had the Homeshow forum, forum contests, Live Events, plus, we had the near-undivided attention of Domino for 2 years. Crafting is a perfectly valid playstyle and I've got four level 90 crafters. The housing system is one of the strengths of EQ2. But to look down your nose at raiders who haven't had any of that support or attention is really beyond the pale.</p><p>SOE built a game with grouping, questing, crafting, and yes, raiding. If you have a problem with raiding, take it up with SOE, not the people who buy SOE's product and use one of its advertised features.</p><p>NPU (their name can be translated as "None Better") was not just a top guild for 8 years, but also counted EQ2 Developers as members. Every person who has grouped or raided in EQ2 over the years should at least recognize that NPU and other guilds have helped test it, report bugs, and delve into the mechanics of EQ2 combat systems to find bugs that are buried deep that would never be found otherwise.</p><p>You don't have to respect people who have a different gameplay style than you, but people should recognize that raiders have been operating with less and less help from SOE over the last few years, with content bugged for months and minimal development interaction, all while bugs in Live Quests or Tradeskilling gets fixed within days.</p><p>It is not a surprise that NPU is calling it quits, but it shows the direction of EQ2's focus, and maybe the focus of the players.</p><p>People don't want to work for anything anymore. They want to just press a button and win.</p></blockquote><p>If the devs spent as much time and energy on raiding as they have on building blocks and pretty tiles EQ2 would be the most talked about thing in online gaming.</p><p>As it is, its meh.</p>

[hoosierdaddy]

<p>This should answer all of your questions:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkrojmg90sQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkrojmg90sQ</a></p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Elder Elf]

<p>One anonymous poster (who's post has been removed now) says, "who" and it triggers an all out attack on a significant portion of the community. Contrats on being trolled.</p><p>Look, the patient here (EQ2) is on life support and all I see are people coming into the waiting room harrasing well wishers and family. Just stop it already.</p><p>It's sad to see a monumental guild like this go but don't cheapen it by raging on people, your not doing the guild or your demographic any kind of service.</p>

[Iad]

<p>I remember competing with NPU early on for world first kills... Good times.</p><p>The people saying "who" are obviously not high end raiders. =p</p>

[Calthine]

<p><cite>Triste-Lune wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>everything is aimed at the lowest common denominator and housewive exploiting their husband CC on the station market.</p></blockquote><p>Wow, what?  Did you REALLY just say that?</p><p>Edit:  On topic, it's always sad when a long-standing part of the communtiy leaves, whether it's a guild, fansite, or best-loved dev.  But it does not ever mean the death of the game.  There's a myraiad of reasons which cause guild collapse.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>1.)  Most unfortunate--I hope the former members are finding new places and things they enjoy.</p><p>2.)  That said, unless the seed of it was in the now-modded post, I'm going to have to call out some folks--and yes, respect you as I do, Feldon, you're in that group--who are assuming crafters are being catty here.  From what I can tell, it started with raiders getting catty at decorators (unless, as I said, it was in the modded post).</p><p>As someone who crafts and raids part-time, I must say I'm very insulted by this implication.</p><p>Frankly, if you're not on their server, aren't a hardcore raider, and aren't highly plugged into the greater community, it's hardly a cardinal sin not to know who NPU were.  Accusing folks of snobbery (and thus engaging in snobbery of your own, by the way) on zero basis really says more about you than them.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>This isn't relevant without knowing the reasons behind it.</p><p>I suspect it _is_ relevant, but thats me making alot of assumptions.</p>

[Calthine]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This isn't relevant without knowing the reasons behind it.</p><p>I suspect it _is_ relevant, but thats me making alot of assumptions.</p></blockquote><p>I'm with you.  It could be interpersonal drama, new games, "life events,"  or game-caused internal issues.  We do not have enough info to be anything more than saddened by it.</p>

[LadyMist]

<p><cite>Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point flew over your head, Finora, but that's okay.  While you were decorating your 15th house these guys were the ones clearing all content in the game in the top three worldwide since 2004. </p><p>These were the guys that knew mechanics down to the actual formulas.  You know, the players valuable to long-term stability of the raiding portion of the game.  The people that could give informed feedback on mechanics changes and, obviously given their longevity in the game, players that cared about EQ2.</p><p>Guilds come and go, but in the highest end most of these guilds don't just disappear.  Whenever a high end guild fizzles the vast majority of the time it's because of the game.  Dracos Argent being an exception.  =D</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">So because that particular guild cleared content, mind you it isnt the only one. their demise makes them a legacy? Plenty of raiding guilds out there. plenty of great guilds out there who also dont strictly raid.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Housing has Nothing to do with it stop trying to cast petty insults and trying to belittle folks who dont think they are the greatest.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">If we posted a rip for every guild that disbanded these boards would be flooded. I guarentee those who like this game are still here just moved to differrent guilds, those players of npu who are burnt out are gone.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Its not because of this game guilds fizzle. from what i have seen its been conflict and drama that makes them fizzle. the great ones just change leadership. The greater ones survive it</span></p>

[Vinyard]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point flew over your head, Finora, but that's okay.  While you were decorating your 15th house these guys were the ones clearing all content in the game in the top three worldwide since 2004. </p><p>These were the guys that knew mechanics down to the actual formulas.  You know, the players valuable to long-term stability of the raiding portion of the game.  The people that could give informed feedback on mechanics changes and, obviously given their longevity in the game, players that cared about EQ2.</p><p>Guilds come and go, but in the highest end most of these guilds don't just disappear.  Whenever a high end guild fizzles the vast majority of the time it's because of the game.  Dracos Argent being an exception.  =D</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">So because that particular guild cleared content, mind you it isnt the only one. their demise makes them a legacy? Plenty of raiding guilds out there. plenty of great guilds out there who also dont strictly raid.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Housing has Nothing to do with it stop trying to cast petty insults and trying to belittle folks who dont think they are the greatest.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">If we posted a rip for every guild that disbanded these boards would be flooded. I guarentee those who like this game are still here just moved to differrent guilds, those players of npu who are burnt out are gone.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Its not because of this game guilds fizzle. from what i have seen its been conflict and drama that makes them fizzle. the great ones just change leadership. The greater ones survive it</span></p></blockquote><p>Raid guilds are disbanding left and right, and have been since DoV came out. It's the game, not the people.</p>

[Lilflier]

<p>A previous post said that this guild had developers as members of the guild?  Than really...  they were just a bunch of cheaters so good riddance to bad rubbish.   Honestly, having the people who wrote the game playing in your guild and being proud about being the first to clear stuff?  what a joke.</p>

[Lempo]

<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Without any information the guild leader may have just freaked out and shut the doors.  Maybe they all moved to another game.  maybe only 3 people went poof.</p><p>Maybe they just got their feelings hurt because Equilibrium World Firsted them and they punched out.</p><p><em><strong>Who knows, the couple of em  I met were grade A jerks.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>The ones I know are good people, you just have a level of hatred towards raiders that seemingly knows no bounds. Perhaps the ones you met were familiar with your posts concerning people that play the game at a higher level.</p><p>Just look at Feldons link nearly 300 million personal status points earned between those 4 players during their run with NPU. Before any math genius chimes in the status points shown there are guild status points not personal.</p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The point flew over your head, Finora, but that's okay.  While you were decorating your 15th house these guys were the ones clearing all content in the game in the top three worldwide since 2004. </p><p>These were the guys that knew mechanics down to the actual formulas.  You know, the players valuable to long-term stability of the raiding portion of the game.  The people that could give informed feedback on mechanics changes and, obviously given their longevity in the game, players that cared about EQ2.</p><p>Guilds come and go, but in the highest end most of these guilds don't just disappear.  Whenever a high end guild fizzles the vast majority of the time it's because of the game.  Dracos Argent being an exception.  =D</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">So because that particular guild cleared content, mind you it isnt the only one. their demise makes them a legacy? Plenty of raiding guilds out there. plenty of great guilds out there who also dont strictly raid.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Housing has Nothing to do with it stop trying to cast petty insults and trying to belittle folks who dont think they are the greatest.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">If we posted a rip for every guild that disbanded these boards would be flooded. I guarentee those who like this game are still here just moved to differrent guilds, those players of npu who are burnt out are gone.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Its not because of this game guilds fizzle. from what i have seen its been conflict and drama that makes them fizzle. the great ones just change leadership. The greater ones survive it</span></p></blockquote><p>If you had a clue, you wouldn't have to ask questions, or surmise, and it would also make your points relevant.</p><p>For example:</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ne%20plus%20ultra%20eq2&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CF0QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Feq2vault.ign.com%2FView.php%3Fvie w%3Dcolumns.Detail%26category_select_id%3D38%26id% 3D530&ei=oUhaT6fpCYHKsQL7893SDQ&usg=AFQjCNHE1o-QsfdMP_wm_SkReC4N8M8JoQ">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...m_SkReC4N8M8JoQ</a></p><p>There is a link to a nice old interview.</p><p>How many guilds can you point to in the game today that had such staying power. I know a few, but that is the point, it is handful. That makes them ALL "legacies," which was your choice of words, not the poster you quoted.</p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>Lilflier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A previous post said that this guild had developers as members of the guild?  Than really...  they were just a bunch of cheaters so good riddance to bad rubbish.   Honestly, having the people who wrote the game playing in your guild and being proud about being the first to clear stuff?  what a joke.</p></blockquote><p>Playing the game they create is bad? I can see where an idiot might think this, but I didn't take you for an idiot.</p>

[Lempo]

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lilflier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A previous post said that this guild had developers as members of the guild?  Than really...  they were just a bunch of cheaters so good riddance to bad rubbish.   Honestly, having the people who wrote the game playing in your guild and being proud about being the first to clear stuff?  what a joke.</p></blockquote><p>Playing the game they create is bad? I can see where an idiot might think this, but I didn't take you for an idiot.</p></blockquote><p>They sure proved you wrong.</p>

[LadyMist]

<p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p>

[LilNut]

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lilflier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A previous post said that this guild had developers as members of the guild?  Than really...  they were just a bunch of cheaters so good riddance to bad rubbish.   Honestly, having the people who wrote the game playing in your guild and being proud about being the first to clear stuff?  what a joke.</p></blockquote><p>Playing the game they create is bad? I can see where an idiot might think this, but I didn't take you for an idiot.</p></blockquote><p>playing the game they created isnt bad at all. if i dev'd a game i'd darn sure be playing it. but playing the game i created and calling people scrubs and trashing people for not being as good as i am at it is pathetic.</p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p></blockquote><p>Seriously? Look at the time, and if you think that they somehow accidently picked the guild who WW 1st'd Pedestal of the Sky and DMP then you are even more clusless than I first thought.</p>

[interstellarmatter]

<p><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This isn't relevant without knowing the reasons behind it.</p><p>I suspect it _is_ relevant, but thats me making alot of assumptions.</p></blockquote><p>I'm with you.  It could be interpersonal drama, new games, "life events,"  or game-caused internal issues.  We do not have enough info to be anything more than saddened by it.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>LilNut wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lilflier wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A previous post said that this guild had developers as members of the guild?  Than really...  they were just a bunch of cheaters so good riddance to bad rubbish.   Honestly, having the people who wrote the game playing in your guild and being proud about being the first to clear stuff?  what a joke.</p></blockquote><p>Playing the game they create is bad? I can see where an idiot might think this, but I didn't take you for an idiot.</p></blockquote><p>playing the game they created isnt bad at all. if i dev'd a game i'd darn sure be playing it. but playing the game i created and calling people scrubs and trashing people for not being as good as i am at it is pathetic.</p></blockquote><p>That would true...if your accusation were true, but it isn't, so your talking out of ignorance. Unless of course you can point me somwhere where there is an example of what you describe, in which case I will submit.</p>

[LadyMist]

<p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p></blockquote><p>Seriously? Look at the time, and if you think that they somehow accidently picked the guild who WW 1st'd Pedestal of the Sky and DMP then you are even more clusless than I first thought.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">yes I must be clusless indeed</span></p>

[Raknid]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p></blockquote><p>Seriously? Look at the time, and if you think that they somehow accidently picked the guild who WW 1st'd Pedestal of the Sky and DMP then you are even more clusless than I first thought.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">yes I must be clusless indeed</span></p></blockquote><p>I guess we can agree after all then. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Iad]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Raknid wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p></blockquote><p>Seriously? Look at the time, and if you think that they somehow accidently picked the guild who WW 1st'd Pedestal of the Sky and DMP then you are even more clusless than I first thought.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">yes I must be clusless indeed</span></p></blockquote><p>agreed.</p>

[Ruut Li]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's interesting that the people who practically despise raiders and mock them every chance they get are the first ones on the offensive in this thread.</p><p>Crafters have had it pretty good over the last few years. We've had the Homeshow forum, forum contests, Live Events, plus, we had the near-undivided attention of Domino for 2 years. Crafting is a perfectly valid playstyle and I've got four level 90 crafters. The housing system is one of the strengths of EQ2. But to look down your nose at raiders who haven't had any of that support or attention is really beyond the pale.</p><p>SOE built a game with grouping, questing, crafting, and yes, raiding. If you have a problem with raiding, take it up with SOE, not the people who buy SOE's product and use one of its advertised features.</p><p>NPU (their name can be translated as "None Better") was not just a top guild for 8 years, but also counted EQ2 Developers as members. Every person who has grouped or raided in EQ2 over the years should at least recognize that NPU and other guilds have helped test it, report bugs, and delve into the mechanics of EQ2 combat systems to find bugs that are buried deep that would never be found otherwise.</p><p>You don't have to respect people who have a different gameplay style than you, but people should recognize that raiders have been operating with less and less help from SOE over the last few years, with content bugged for months and minimal development interaction, all while bugs in Live Quests or Tradeskilling gets fixed within days.</p><p>It is not a surprise that NPU is calling it quits, but it shows the direction of EQ2's focus, and maybe the focus of the players.</p><p>People don't want to work for anything anymore. They want to just press a button and win.</p></blockquote><p>Well said, thank you!</p><p>I think its absolutely awful that hostile, bitter people come and flame this thread. Obviously the death of this special guild, and yes it is special, perhaps not to everyone, but to many, means something for some players, and it definately deserves a post. Tough luck that it annoys some people for some weird reason, but pls just move on, dont post your drivel. You dont see people ruining that island decorating thread do you? And no "you" do not decide whats important enough to be off limits and whats not.</p>

[Lempo]

<p><cite>LadyMist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">rofl he pulls out a post from ign. You know they randomly pick people, have you even seen how much ign covers eq2, have you even seen their vnboard for it? This shows nothing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have been a member of ign since 99. Your funny for thinking because they are of the the guilds interviewed by a gaming site that makes em uber</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">wow some seriously weak combacks from the npu fanbois here on folks comments</span></p></blockquote><p>You really think that IGN just randomly picked someone and they happened to be from NPU?</p><p>No one thinks that because they were interviewed by IGN that they are uber, people that KNOW they are/were uber know so because of the people from all the raiding guilds that they have been with or have friends in see people swimming upstream, and switching servers losing all the senority and DKP they have to just have a CHANCE to APP to their guild and raid with them.</p>

[SOE-MOD-02]

<p>Ok, I think that we have had enough speculation as to the why, when and how.  I am going to close this down now with this thought.  Anytime a group of people leave this game is a sad day as friends are saying good bye.  Please respect the choices that are made without speculation and be respectful of them.  </p><p>Good luck to the players of NPU in their future endeavors.</p>