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Rageincarnate

02-11-2012, 01:07 PM

I have tons of examples. The example below.. is eow and it's only part of just the misses and blocks. The forum's kept messing up the formatting when i pasted.Standard eow with a dirge and coercer. 77% hit rate. 802 slashing, 40.8 strikethrough, at least 16% accuracyI don't understand why my hit rate is not going up when i add more "accuracy stats". I can drop 20% strikethrough and my hit rate doesn't change at all? What's going on?? Are these stats not doing anything at all? I'm currently looking for log examples of this mob parries or blocks and i strikethrough but i'm not finding any at all. I even looked at mob inc damage and i'm not seeing any examples of strikethrough working.. I really wish i could post parses..TIME ATTACKER ATTACKTYPE DAMAGETYPE VICTIM DAMAGE CRITICAL SPECIAL 7:56:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:55:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False None 7:55:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi

Rageincarnate

02-11-2012, 01:09 PM

TIME ATTACKER ATTACKTYPE DAMAGETYPE VICTIM DAMAGE CRITICAL SPECIAL 8:07:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False multi 8:07:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False multi 8:07:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False multi 8:07:03 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False riposte 8:06:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False multi 8:06:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False None 8:06:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False None 8:05:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False multi 8:05:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False None 8:05:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing Miss False flurry 8:04:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False None 8:04:00 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False None 8:03:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:03:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:03:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:03:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False flurry 8:02:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:02:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False flurry 8:02:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:02:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:02:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False multi 8:02:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False flurry 8:02:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:02:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:02:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:02:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False flurry 8:02:33 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:02:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer Miss False riposte 8:00:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False None 8:00:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False flurry 8:00:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False None 8:00:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False multi 8:00:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False multi 8:00:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False None 8:00:21 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False None 7:59:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a winged aggressor Miss False riposte 7:59:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False multi 7:59:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False multi 7:59:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False multi 7:59:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw Miss False riposte 7:59:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Janus Furywings Miss False multi 7:59:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Janus Furywings Miss False riposte 7:58:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Janus Furywings Miss False riposte 7:58:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender Miss False riposte 7:58:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender Miss False multi 7:58:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender Miss False multi 7:58:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender Miss False riposte 7:58:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender Miss False multi 7:58:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Janus Furywings Miss False riposte 7:56:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:56:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False None

Rageincarnate

02-11-2012, 01:11 PM

7:56:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False riposte 7:56:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False None 7:56:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:56:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False riposte 7:56:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:56:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False riposte 7:56:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False riposte 7:56:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:55:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False None 7:55:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron Miss False multi 7:54:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing an adriot wraith Miss False riposte 7:54:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a befouled wraith Miss False riposte 7:54:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing an adriot wraith Miss False riposte 7:53:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing an adriot wraith Miss False multi 7:53:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a slogging wraith Miss False multi 7:53:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a slogging wraith Miss False riposte 7:53:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a slogging wraith Miss False riposte 8:10:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 8:09:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 8:09:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False flurry 8:07:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 8:07:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 8:07:33 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 8:06:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 8:05:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 8:03:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer parries False None 8:02:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer parries False multi 8:02:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer parries False flurry 8:02:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hinvat Deathbringer parries False flurry 7:59:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Janus Furywings parries False None 7:58:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Meldin Talonmender parries False None 7:58:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Terrinon Bloodclaw parries False aoe 7:56:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Glykus Meldron parries False None 7:54:55 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a befouled wraith parries False None 8:10:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:10:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 8:10:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 8:10:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 8:10:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 8:10:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:09:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 8:09:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 8:09:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:08:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 8:08:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:08:44 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:08:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 8:08:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 8:07:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:07:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:07:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:07:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 8:07:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 8:07:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 8:06:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None

Rageincarnate

02-11-2012, 01:11 PM

This section decided to format itself as a big ball of garbage, so i removed. This section was 20,000 chars of nothing but blocks from the same zone.

Silzin

02-11-2012, 02:49 PM

this has bin a known problem since DoV Bate. they have not doen anything about it since them tho. Sorry i cant help

S_M_I_T_E

02-11-2012, 04:03 PM

Are you sure that additive things you can do to yourself don't hit an invisible ceiling while things that your groupmates do, say like an Inq's AA'd Forced Obedience with -defense, on the mob to make your effective hit rate go up don't hit that ceiling?That self buffing is reported as badly coded and capped since DOV doesn't mean that mob debuffing (which is more rarely used by players) isn't effective.Debuff = Buff, but this thread says Buff^3 isn't better than Buff^2. If that's the case I'd say (Buff^2+Debuff^1) = Buff^3 for tank THACO.

Banditman

02-11-2012, 04:44 PM

Strikethru should work. If you've got, for instance, 1000 blocks by the mob, adding 20% Strikethru is supposed to allow you to "Strike Through" that block 20% of the time, effectively improving your overall hit rate.I have LONG SINCE given up on Strikethru. It's totally ineffective. It is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE to simply add more multi attack to increase the number of hits.

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 10:48 AM

<cite>S_M_I_T_E wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are you sure that additive things you can do to yourself don't hit an invisible ceiling while things that your groupmates do, say like an Inq's AA'd Forced Obedience with -defense, on the mob to make your effective hit rate go up don't hit that ceiling?That self buffing is reported as badly coded and capped since DOV doesn't mean that mob debuffing (which is more rarely used by players) isn't effective.Debuff = Buff, but this thread says Buff^3 isn't better than Buff^2. If that's the case I'd say (Buff^2+Debuff^1) = Buff^3 for tank THACO.</blockquote>In the mechanics post 100% hit rate was defined as 100 more skill points higher then then mobs defensive skill? iirc, and there was no cap. See thats the problem.. i honestly don't know. And i ALWAYS have a terrible hit rate.i miss 1 out of 4 swings at least all the time.. I'm just trying to bring this to someones attention.. or you guys can correct my error.

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 04:10 PM

this is just the end boss in tot.. Just 1 FIGHT !!! i have hardmode shoulders, forearms gloves, the rest is all easy mode or drunderTIME ATTACKER ATTACKTYPE DAMAGETYPE VICTIM DAMAGE CRITICAL SPECIAL 2:04:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:04:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:04:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False multi 2:04:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False multi 2:04:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False None 2:04:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False multi 2:04:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False flurry 2:04:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False None 2:04:21 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:04:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:04:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:04:00 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:03:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False multi 2:03:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False None 2:03:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False multi 2:03:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False None 2:03:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False None 2:03:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:03:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False aoe 2:03:33 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:03:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:03:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:03:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:03:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:03:20 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:20 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 04:11 PM

2:03:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:03:14 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:03:12 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:12 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:03:12 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:03:12 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:03:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False aoe 2:03:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False aoe 2:03:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:03:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False aoe 2:03:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False aoe 2:03:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:03:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False multi 2:03:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False multi 2:03:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a lesser Diaku ruffian Miss False None 2:02:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:02:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:02:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:02:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:02:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:02:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:02:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False multi 2:02:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False None 2:02:22 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:01:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:01:55 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:01:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 2:01:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 04:11 PM

2:01:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:22 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:01:20 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False None 2:01:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:01:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False riposte 2:01:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:01:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:01:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:00:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:00:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:00:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:00:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:00:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False multi 2:00:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug Miss False aoe 2:00:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False aoe 2:00:08 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 2:00:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 2:00:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:59:54 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 1:59:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:44 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:44 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 1:59:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:59:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 1:59:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 1:59:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:07 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:59:01 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:58:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False flurry 1:58:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:58:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 04:12 PM

1:58:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False multi 1:58:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 1:58:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False riposte 1:58:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher Miss False None 2:03:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher ripostes(499 returned) False multi 2:01:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug ripostes(block returned) False aoe 2:01:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher ripostes(dodge returned) False multi 2:00:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku thug ripostes(block returned) False multi 2:04:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:03:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:03:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:03:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:02:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:01:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:01:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False flurry 2:01:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False flurry 2:01:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:00:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False aoe 1:59:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 1:58:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 1:58:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 1:58:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 1:58:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher parries False multi 2:04:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:03:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:03:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:03:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:02:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False flurry 2:01:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 2:01:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False flurry 2:01:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False riposte 2:01:07 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 1:59:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False flurry 1:59:07 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 1:58:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False None 1:58:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False multi 1:58:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Warmaster Deynka Packlasher blocks False None

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 07:11 PM

eow 36% accuracy 29% strikethru Had a ranger in group, so i had large chunks of group accuracy , plus crusaders faith which is an additional 10 .. so im guessing i was close to 50 accuracy?? to not miss? in eow? Is that correct? So what i'm seeing is i need to roll a monk and reforge all my gear to accuracy from strikethrough if i want to hit the mobs in normal heroic zones wearing raid gear....Am i missing anything? Or am i off base? 77% hit rate btwTIME ATTACKER ATTACKTYPE DAMAGETYPE VICTIM DAMAGE CRITICAL SPECIAL 4:57:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:57:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:57:25 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:56:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:56:44 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:55:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:55:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:55:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:54:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:54:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:54:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:54:02 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:53:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:53:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None

Rageincarnate

02-12-2012, 07:11 PM

4:53:13 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False None 4:53:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:52:25 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:52:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:51:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing parries False multi 4:57:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:57:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:57:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:57:11 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:57:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:57:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:57:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:57:00 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:56:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:56:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:56:54 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:56:54 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 4:56:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 4:56:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:55:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:55:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:55:03 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:54:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:33 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:54:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False riposte 4:54:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:53 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:50 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:53:21 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:53:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:53:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:53:01 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:52:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:52:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:52:38 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:52:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:52:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None 4:52:25 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False flurry 4:52:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False multi 4:51:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Decorin Bonewing blocks False None

Boli32

02-13-2012, 06:58 AM

Honeslty there is *no need* to reduce tanks hit rates from tanking... no other class gets a flat 20% reduction in DPS just "because". I have yet to read an explanation which makes any sort of sense why tanks should get this decrease - even at huge bonuses to accuracy and strikethrough.

Davngr1

02-13-2012, 10:51 AM

from what i have gatherd on various threads about avoidance, there is two seperate rolls every time you swing. one roll is for the "special" avoidance (parry/block/dodge/riposte) the other is"hit/miss" avoidance. strikethru is a "flat chance" to beat the "special" avoidance (sans dodge) ie. if you have 50% strikethru, you would get past the "special" avoidance check 50% of the time. accuracy on the other hand modifies the entire "hit/miss" roll. i don't know exactly how this works but it is different than striketru ie. not a "flat chance" to hit the mob. all the misses you're getting is because the mob isn't being properly debuff either because the buff package on the mob is far too great or because your debuff classes are neglecting their duties. keeping accuracy gear or gearing up for it will give you better performance vs. high avoidance mobs but will cost you damage on easier mobs. it's a balance you need to fine tune to how you play the game but worth the effort imo. also would like to add that there are quite a few modifiers when it comes to avoidance,class/con/armortype/buffs are some i know off but there might be others.

Rageincarnate

02-13-2012, 11:24 AM

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>from what i have gatherd on various threads about avoidance, there is two seperate rolls every time you swing. one roll is for the "special" avoidance (parry/block/dodge/riposte) the other is"hit/miss" avoidance. strikethru is a "flat chance" to beat the "special" avoidance (sans dodge) ie. if you have 50% strikethru, you would get past the "special" avoidance check 50% of the time. accuracy on the other hand modifies the entire "hit/miss" roll. i don't know exactly how this works but it is different than striketru ie. not a "flat chance" to hit the mob. all the misses you're getting is because the mob isn't being properly debuff either because the buff package on the mob is far too great or because your debuff classes are neglecting their duties. keeping accuracy gear or gearing up for it will give you better performance vs. high avoidance mobs but will cost you damage on easier mobs. it's a balance you need to fine tune to how you play the game but worth the effort imo. also would like to add that there are quite a few modifiers when it comes to avoidance,class/con/armortype/buffs are some i know off but there might be others.</blockquote>See, In all my groups i had approx. 1 class that can debuff defense. and that was the dirge.. and they can debuff defense by what? 40? something? ( i don't remember off the top of my head but i think it's 42) So, 40 is no where near enough is what i'm seeing.. plus only a few classes can actually debuff it. I think the ranger can do parry on one of his ca's.That brings me to your point.. i'm in 1/4 hm gear and 3/4 easy mode gear.. Where am i supposed to get the stats to actually hit the mobs?? Even reforging doesn't give enough. All the raid armor is generic and there's no stats that we can reforge to accuracy, even if i wanted to trade dps for it.

Rageincarnate

02-13-2012, 11:26 AM

You make sense.. you do. But for non monks.. it's just not possible to get stats to that range you need even with raid gear. I DO NOT WANT MONKS NERFED! I am merely trying to show a large problem.

Bruener

02-13-2012, 12:02 PM

I have given up on the strike through stat. We have 4 different tanks with varying degrees of strike through and hit rates can all come out close to the same. It doesn't make sense.Tanks should not have to put up with such terrible hit rates. Ever hear all the complaining when you run across a Brawler mob and everybody else starts complaining about their hit rates. Well that is what Tanks have to put up with all the time. Nobody likes to miss. Furthermore all it does is introduce even more stats that a Tank has to try and juggle. Tanks already have to juggle way more stats than anybody else, we don't need this to.The strike through mechanic given to mobs though is a good idea if they would just fix 2 Fighters having immunity to it making it an impossible mechanic to balance.

Rageincarnate

02-13-2012, 01:39 PM

i advise you guys to go through your parses... sort by auto attack and post all the hits and misses.. numbers can't be argued with.. maybe when we fill their server to full with miss parses they will get the idea.

Banditman

02-13-2012, 03:05 PM

No need. I've already done the math. It works out to about 4 MA to 1 Strikethru or 1 Accuracy against mobs where you have a 50% hit rate. As hit rates increase, MA continues to have the same value, while ST / Acc decrease in value.So, until ST / Acc are available at 4 times the rate that MA is available, MA wins.

Rageincarnate

02-13-2012, 04:11 PM

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>No need. I've already done the math. It works out to about 4 MA to 1 Strikethru or 1 Accuracy against mobs where you have a 50% hit rate. As hit rates increase, MA continues to have the same value, while ST / Acc decrease in value.So, until ST / Acc are available at 4 times the rate that MA is available, MA wins.</blockquote>Why are you ok with this? This seems to be badly broken.. and could use a looking at . I respect your numbers and they seem correct.

Banditman

02-13-2012, 06:34 PM

Never said I was ok with it, but I know the deal. There are so many broken things about EQ2 right now that are being left completely unaddressed that I have absolutely no expectation that they will fix this.I'll simply stack up on multi attack and hope that our DPS hasn't hidden their threat meter.

ratbast

02-13-2012, 10:05 PM

<cite>Boli@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honeslty there is *no need* to reduce tanks hit rates from tanking... no other class gets a flat 20% reduction in DPS just "because". I have yet to read an explanation which makes any sort of sense why tanks should get this decrease - even at huge bonuses to accuracy and strikethrough.</blockquote>tanks make up 1/6th of heroic groups, and generally no more than 1/8th raid, yet they get 1/4th of the loot.go to a PQ and you see a million tanks. have we figured out why this is?tanks in eq2 are ALL insanely OP by their basic mechanics, armor, dps, and heals. They arent the best healers, but they are better healers than all but 6/24 classes. They arent the best dps, but they are generally better than 1/2. and when it comes to armor, THEY ARE THE BEST.if you want to argue buffing tanks from balance standpoint, you are fighting a losing battle. there is a reason 95% of powerlevelers use tanks.if the role of tanking is too much for you, consider rerolling. no doubt you have the most to worry about and the most pivotal role, dps, survive, hold aggro, positioning. if you arent going to reroll...you shouldnt argue to buff tanks based on balance. from mechanics they are spoiled brats.i played a tank in eq1, tanks in eq2 are gods. they arent SUPPOSED to dps or heal, they just do anyway.

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 12:34 AM

<cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Boli@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honeslty there is *no need* to reduce tanks hit rates from tanking... no other class gets a flat 20% reduction in DPS just "because". I have yet to read an explanation which makes any sort of sense why tanks should get this decrease - even at huge bonuses to accuracy and strikethrough.</blockquote>tanks make up 1/6th of heroic groups, and generally no more than 1/8th raid, yet they get 1/4th of the loot. so we shouldnt be able to hit the mobs?go to a PQ and you see a million tanks. have we figured out why this is? this is based on? your observations.. your welcome to them .. im actually post real fact..tanks ALL insanely OP by their basic mechanics, armor, dps, and heals. They arent the best healers, but they are better healers than all but 6/24 classes. They arent the best dps, but they are generally better than 1/2. and when it comes to armor, THEY ARE THE BEST. a tank is defensive? neatif you want to argue buffing tanks from balance standpoint, you are fighting a losing battle. there is a reason 95% of powerlevelers use tanks. there is no buffing involved.. its a correction .. How would you like to try and improve your toon to do better but your told you cant just because.. no reason... just because.. you shouldnt be able too..if the role of tanking is too much for you, consider rerolling. no doubt you have the most to worry about and the most pivotal role, dps, survive, hold aggro, positioning. if you arent going to reroll...you shouldnt argue to buff tanks based on balance. from mechanics they are spoiled brats. I think your special. this is nothing more then a request to have autoattacks hit the mob.. there is no skill involved.. it's a built in mechanic. If you somehow think there is skill involved in auto attacking.. i'd love to hear it.i played a tank in eq1, tanks in eq2 are gods. they arent SUPPOSED to dps or heal, they just do anyway.Do you play a tank in eq2?</blockquote>

Davngr1

02-14-2012, 12:42 AM

class modifies the hit rate. the post i read was that it modified how often you can hit them ie. tank classes are harder to hit because they have higher avoidance modifiers. thus it's not so far fetch that they also have a harder time hitting other tanks ie. they have a lower hit modifier then other classes. scouts = easier to be hit, easier to hit others mages = supper easy to be hit, very low spell resist(not a melee class but with melee buffs they have good hit rates) healers = easy to be hit, easy to hit others tanks = harder to be hit, harder to hit others i'm just speculating here but it would make sense.

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 01:40 AM

<cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>class modifies the hit rate. the post i read was that it modified how often you can hit them ie. tank classes are harder to hit because they have higher avoidance modifiers. thus it's not so far fetch that they also have a harder time hitting other tanks ie. they have a lower hit modifier then other classes. scouts = easier to be hit, easier to hit others mages = supper easy to be hit, very low spell resist(not a melee class but with melee buffs they have good hit rates) healers = easy to be hit, easy to hit others tanks = harder to be hit, harder to hit others i'm just speculating here but it would make sense.</blockquote>so by that logic.. i should notice a hit rate increase on trash in drunder when mobs are healer tank mage.. :/ not so much.

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 01:44 AM

More data, different members. Dirge brig defilier assasin coercer tankdirge - 40 some defense debuff , assasin 40 defense debuff, brig i think is 32?79% hit rate (I posted about half of the misses and blocks)TIME ATTACKER ATTACKTYPE DAMAGETYPE VICTIM DAMAGE CRITICAL SPECIAL 11:26:12 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a vehemance charged render Miss False riposte 11:26:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a vehemance charged render Miss False riposte 11:25:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False riposte 11:25:44 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False riposte 11:25:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False multi 11:24:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False riposte 11:24:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False riposte 11:24:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Grolla Skullwielder Miss False riposte 11:23:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:30 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:22:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:22:23 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:20:43 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:20:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:20:01 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:19:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:18:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:18:40 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku steward Miss False riposte 11:17:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:17:41 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Diaku keeper Miss False riposte 11:16:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac Miss False riposte 11:16:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac Miss False riposte

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 01:46 AM

11:14:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac Miss False riposte 11:14:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac Miss False riposte 11:14:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac Miss False riposte 11:14:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac Miss False riposte 11:12:48 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite destructor Miss False riposte 11:10:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:10:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vexament Miss False riposte 11:10:35 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vexament Miss False riposte 11:10:21 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vexament Miss False riposte 11:10:20 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vexament Miss False riposte 11:09:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:09:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:09:09 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:51 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:47 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hamslammer Miss False riposte 11:08:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:31 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hamslammer Miss False riposte 11:08:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:29 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:28 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:26 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:24 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:07 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:08:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:08:03 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:04:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:04:16 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:04:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:04:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte 11:03:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a war boar Miss False riposte 11:03:58 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend Miss False riposte

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 01:46 AM

11:16:36 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:16:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:16:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac ripostes(655 returned) False multi 11:16:22 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ire of Llac ripostes(727 returned) False None 11:15:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Scorn of Llac ripostes(dodge returned) False multi 11:15:59 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Scorn of Llac ripostes(block returned) False None 11:15:37 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Scorn of Llac ripostes(733 returned) False None 11:15:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(744 returned) False multi 11:15:11 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(522 returned) False multi 11:15:11 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(446 returned) False multi 11:15:11 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(651 returned) False None 11:15:08 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:15:08 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(567 returned) False multi 11:15:08 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(491 returned) False None 11:15:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(369 returned) False multi 11:15:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:15:04 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False None 11:15:00 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:15:00 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(420 returned) False None 11:14:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:14:57 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:14:46 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False None 11:14:34 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(369 returned) False None 11:14:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False flurry 11:14:18 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(354 returned) False None 11:14:10 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False multi 11:14:06 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Thana Llac ripostes(block returned) False None 11:13:17 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite destructor ripostes(778 returned) False multi 11:12:15 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite destructor ripostes(No Damage returned) False flurry 11:09:05 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a raging porkfiend ripostes(No Damage returned) False multi 11:07:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hamslammer ripostes(674 returned) False multi 11:03:39 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Hamslammer ripostes(609 returned) False multi 10:58:27 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite umbrant ripostes(block returned) False None 10:56:56 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vehement ripostes(435 returned) False multi 10:55:32 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite vehement ripostes(543 returned) False None 10:41:22 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite umbrant ripostes(block returned) False multi 10:41:22 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite umbrant ripostes(281 returned) False flurry 10:41:19 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing a Sullonite umbrant ripostes(266 returned) False multi 10:40:55 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(No Damage returned) False multi 10:40:55 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(block returned) False multi 10:40:55 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(dodge returned) False multi 10:40:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(dodge returned) False multi 10:40:52 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(No Damage returned) False multi 10:40:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(No Damage returned) False multi 10:40:49 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(block returned) False None 10:40:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(Miss returned) False multi 10:40:45 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(No Damage returned) False None 10:40:42 PM Rageincarnate slash slashing Ragebourne MacKulla ripostes(block returned) False multi

Rageincarnate

02-14-2012, 01:47 AM

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Davngr1

02-14-2012, 03:20 AM

<cite>Rageincarnate@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>class modifies the hit rate. the post i read was that it modified how often you can hit them ie. tank classes are harder to hit because they have higher avoidance modifiers. thus it's not so far fetch that they also have a harder time hitting other tanks ie. they have a lower hit modifier then other classes. scouts = easier to be hit, easier to hit others mages = supper easy to be hit, very low spell resist(not a melee class but with melee buffs they have good hit rates) healers = easy to be hit, easy to hit others tanks = harder to be hit, harder to hit others i'm just speculating here but it would make sense.</blockquote>so by that logic.. i should notice a hit rate increase on trash in drunder when mobs are healer tank mage.. :/ not so much.</blockquote> you will but it dependent on thier buff package for the most part. btw.. 79% hit rates on a tank is pretty good. i never see better hit rates than that on hard content.

Yimway

02-14-2012, 03:58 PM

<cite>Boli@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honeslty there is *no need* to reduce tanks hit rates from tanking... no other class gets a flat 20% reduction in DPS just "because". I have yet to read an explanation which makes any sort of sense why tanks should get this decrease - even at huge bonuses to accuracy and strikethrough.</blockquote>I can give you their reason, but you wont like it.

Minzi

02-14-2012, 05:37 PM

<cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Boli@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honeslty there is *no need* to reduce tanks hit rates from tanking... no other class gets a flat 20% reduction in DPS just "because". I have yet to read an explanation which makes any sort of sense why tanks should get this decrease - even at huge bonuses to accuracy and strikethrough.</blockquote>i played a tank in eq1, tanks in eq2 are gods. they arent SUPPOSED to dps or heal, they just do anyway.</blockquote>I played a tank in eq1 as well, and among the many differences between the two games is that a miss in Eq1 generated the same swing aggro as a hit, roughly (weapon base damage + damage bonus). My understanding is that this is not the case with Eq2. That's why this is an issue for this game and not that other game.

Banditman

02-14-2012, 06:54 PM

<cite>Minzi wrote:</cite><blockquote>I played a tank in eq1 as well, and among the many differences between the two games is that a miss in Eq1 generated the same swing aggro as a hit, roughly (weapon base damage + damage bonus). My understanding is that this is not the case with Eq2. That's why this is an issue for this game and not that other game. </blockquote>Interesting observation.