***New 1 time UN attune for this crit mit fix

[NANEEJE]

<p>Point:  Turning Crit mit adornments into Health, just screws up both sets of raid gear. This won't work. </p><p>THERE HAS TO BE AN UNATTUNE in this.  I spent too much time on blue shards to turn in to crit mit.</p><p>The least you could do is let us unattune some gear, so those hard earned blue shards are not wasted.</p><p>This removal of Crit Mit is a great idea, but...</p><p>Please, for the love of those of us who raid, do your change, let us get a one time unattune, and then please add a merchant on Thurgadin dock that will allow you to sell back your adornments for at least 75% shard return.</p><p>This would make anything you do completely bearable while hot fixes start rolling in after the change.</p><p>Thank you.</p>

[hoosierdaddy]

<p><cite>NANEEJE wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Point:  Turning Crit mit adornments into Health, just screws up both sets of raid gear. This won't work. </p><p>THERE HAS TO BE AN UNATTUNE in this.  I spent too much time on blue shards to turn in to crit mit.</p><p>The least you could do is let us unattune some gear, so those hard earned blue shards are not wasted.</p><p>This removal of Crit Mit is a great idea, but...</p><p>Please, for the love of those of us who raid, do your change, let us get a one time unattune, and then please add a merchant on Thurgadin dock that will allow you to sell back your adornments for at least 75% shard return.</p><p>This would make anything you do completely bearable while hot fixes start rolling in after the change.</p><p>Thank you.</p></blockquote><p>Signed.</p><p>The proposed change on test to the CM adorns--that has red adorns providing more HP's than white adorns--is insulting to players who've spent any amount of time farming blue shards.</p><p>All CM adorns should be returned to players' inventories, and an NPC made available through whom players may return these adornments for a <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>100%</strong></span> refund of their blue shards. (Players shouldn't have to compromise when it comes to being adequately compensated for their efforts.)</p><p>For this entire expansion, the dev team has forced people into adorning CM, and now that we've done what was originally intended, we're forced to grind another hamster wheel if we hope to adorn our gear with anything other than +Health?</p><p>No, thank you.</p>

[Kizee]

<p>Not that I would be against getting shards back but how can you possiably be lacking shards to redo stuff?</p><p>I have been adorning 2 characters and have over 300 shards left. They aren't that hard to get IMO.</p>

[Umub]

<p><cite>Hissyfit@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not that I would be against getting shards back but how can you possiably be lacking shards to redo stuff?</p><p>I have been adorning 2 characters and have over 300 shards left. They aren't that hard to get IMO.</p></blockquote><p>Very easily. For example, I have two accounts and belong to a casual raid guild (doing x2 stuff once a week). I have maybe 25 blue shards on my 2nd account and 70-80 on my primary account. And I don't mean shards ready to spend. I mean shards in the bank and shards spent combined.</p><p>I only purchased the crit mit adorns because they were "required" for the x2 raid content. I would have much more happily spent the shards on something that actually benefits my toon. Which is NOT 200-300 hit points. I certanily wouldn't quit playing over this but I think it is very reasonable when making such a sweeping change to the games mechanics to give people a better choice than having to replace nearly useless hit point adorns with shards they don't have.</p><p>I would prefer to simply have the shards given back to me for each crit mit adorn I have (yellow and red slot). I don't personally care about respending the plat.</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p>I have to agree with hissyfit here.  Adornments are meant to be consumed, otherwise we would be allowed to remove them and swap them around as in EQ1.  Just because a stat isn't useful anymore, that doesn't entitle anybody to a refund.  You got what, 2 years of crit mit for a few lousy shards.  SOE could have just as easily dropped crit mit from the game and moved on, leaving the adornments to rot.  It smells like folks are just fishing for another free pop-and-swap like we got last time.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>While I do agree that adornments are meant to be a semi-consumeable item, the fact that they are changing after being purchased warrants a refund so that we can purchase what we want.</p><p>Let's say there was never any Crit Mit needed.  In that case, would you have purchased a full set of HP adornments or would you have purchased something different?  I think in nearly every case, you'd find people purchasing "something else".</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I do agree that adornments are meant to be a semi-consumeable item, the fact that they are changing after being purchased warrants a refund so that we can purchase what we want.</p><p>Let's say there was never any Crit Mit needed.  In that case, would you have purchased a full set of HP adornments or would you have purchased something different?  I think in nearly every case, you'd find people purchasing "something else".</p></blockquote><p>Wait..</p><p>You don't have a billion blue shards?</p><p>Who the heck has to "farm" raid shards? Even when I was just starting in raiding on my characters the gear itself gave enough CM to get into what we were doing at the time(drunder) for the most part.</p><p>My shared bank has more of these things than I know what to do with...</p>

[KNINE]

<p><cite>Meridia@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While I do agree that adornments are meant to be a semi-consumeable item, the fact that they are changing after being purchased warrants a refund so that we can purchase what we want.</p><p>Let's say there was never any Crit Mit needed.  In that case, would you have purchased a full set of HP adornments or would you have purchased something different?  I think in nearly every case, you'd find people purchasing "something else".</p></blockquote><p>Wait..</p><p>You don't have a billion blue shards?</p><p>Who the heck has to "farm" raid shards? Even when I was just starting in raiding on my characters the gear itself gave enough CM to get into what we were doing at the time(drunder) for the most part.</p><p>My shared bank has more of these things than I know what to do with...</p></blockquote><p>This lol.. i wish there was a vendor to sell old raid shards and new raid shards to.. i by no means raid hard core.. 3 nights a week is all and still have more shards than i know what to do with lol.. it happens, doubt they refund anything, so might as well do what we always do.. move on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Banditman]

<p>It doesn't matter how many shards I have, how many shards you have or how many shards anyone has.</p><p>What matters is that something was changed, dramatically.  What we purchased is no longer what we have.  Because of this, there needs to be a pop off for those adorns and a vendor who will buy ONLY those red and yellow adorns that changed.</p>

[CorpseGoddess]

<p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It doesn't matter how many shards I have, how many shards you have or how many shards anyone has.</p><p>What matters is that something was changed, dramatically.  What we purchased is no longer what we have.  Because of this, there needs to be a pop off for those adorns and a vendor who will buy ONLY those red and yellow adorns that changed.</p></blockquote><p>No, there doesn't. The heck else are you going to do with those billions of blue shards? They'll sit in your bags and rot. Just buy new adorns. What they're for.</p><p>Plat and shards are trivial. They don't *need* to do anything, and a few reports I've heard post item change, they won't(or can't) refund them.</p>

[Netty]

<p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p></blockquote><p>I replaced alot of CM adorns long befor this. Does this mean i will get shards and cash back for those? I bough them aswell... Do you hear how stupid that sound? just as stupid as asking for refounds if you still wear them. If you get gear and can self buff CM you going to replace them anyway. Sure the health increas on them might suck but you dont lose anything from this change. Infact you gain since you got some extra health. If you dont like well but something els? You can keep crying for them to give you shards back but i dont see it happen. I dont think its needed and i dont think its fair. If you are getting shards and coin back i should aswell even tho i replace most of them a long time ago. Just live with it.</p>

[CorpseGoddess]

<p><cite>Netty wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p></blockquote><p>I replaced alot of CM adorns long befor this. Does this mean i will get shards and cash back for those? I bough them aswell... Do you hear how stupid that sound? just as stupid as asking for refounds if you still wear them. If you get gear and can self buff CM you going to replace them anyway. Sure the health increas on them might suck but you dont lose anything from this change. Infact you gain since you got some extra health. If you dont like well but something els? You can keep crying for them to give you shards back but i dont see it happen. I dont think its needed and i dont think its fair. If you are getting shards and coin back i should aswell even tho i replace most of them a long time ago. Just live with it.</p></blockquote><p>First of all, congratulations on those diplomacy classes.  I'm glad to see they're working out so well for you. </p><p>Second of all, *I'm* not crying about anything.  I personally don't care one way or the other, I'm simply offering suggestions, something you might look into yourself (along with spelling, grammar and syntax).</p><p>Thirdly, if you'll actually read through my post, I said nothing about plat or shards.  I specifically mentioned un-attuning gear, and allowing players the opportunity to trade in crit mit=HP adorns for something else they might prefer.  Now, I know it might be difficult for you to understand that I wasn't just talking about you and your *specific* needs--I was talkiing about the playerbase in general, and that having choices is usually a good thing.</p><p>Does my suggestion fix every gear change back until the beginning of time?  No, nor do I expect it to.  However, it would, in some small part, give players some element of choice in terms of this new UPCOMING change.  As I already stated.  </p>

[Netty]

<p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Netty wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p></blockquote><p>I replaced alot of CM adorns long befor this. Does this mean i will get shards and cash back for those? I bough them aswell... Do you hear how stupid that sound? just as stupid as asking for refounds if you still wear them. If you get gear and can self buff CM you going to replace them anyway. Sure the health increas on them might suck but you dont lose anything from this change. Infact you gain since you got some extra health. If you dont like well but something els? You can keep crying for them to give you shards back but i dont see it happen. I dont think its needed and i dont think its fair. If you are getting shards and coin back i should aswell even tho i replace most of them a long time ago. Just live with it.</p></blockquote><p>First of all, congratulations on those diplomacy classes.  I'm glad to see they're working out so well for you. </p><p>Second of all, *I'm* not crying about anything.  I personally don't care one way or the other, I'm simply offering suggestions, something you might look into yourself (along with spelling, grammar and syntax).</p><p>Thirdly, if you'll actually read through my post, I said nothing about plat or shards.  I specifically mentioned un-attuning gear, and allowing players the opportunity to trade in crit mit=HP adorns for something else they might prefer.  Now, I know it might be difficult for you to understand that I wasn't just talking about you and your *specific* needs--I was talkiing about the playerbase in general, and that having choices is usually a good thing.</p><p>Does my suggestion fix every gear change back until the beginning of time?  No, nor do I expect it to.  However, it would, in some small part, give players some element of choice in terms of this new UPCOMING change.  As I already stated.  </p></blockquote><p>Im not us or uk so complain abit more pls. If you trade them for other adorns what is the diff in doing that than giving you shards and plat back? Nothing at all. Sounds to me like you are talking about your specific needs than anything. Its like you had got the CM right and was to replace it anyway. Nothing change infact your toon got abit better since mobs still dont crit and you got some extra HP.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Netty wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p></blockquote><p>I replaced alot of CM adorns long befor this. Does this mean i will get shards and cash back for those? I bough them aswell... Do you hear how stupid that sound? just as stupid as asking for refounds if you still wear them. If you get gear and can self buff CM you going to replace them anyway. Sure the health increas on them might suck but you dont lose anything from this change. Infact you gain since you got some extra health. If you dont like well but something els? You can keep crying for them to give you shards back but i dont see it happen. I dont think its needed and i dont think its fair. If you are getting shards and coin back i should aswell even tho i replace most of them a long time ago. Just live with it.</p></blockquote><p>First of all, congratulations on those diplomacy classes.  I'm glad to see they're working out so well for you. </p><p>Second of all, *I'm* not crying about anything.  I personally don't care one way or the other, I'm simply offering suggestions, something you might look into yourself (along with spelling, grammar and syntax).</p><p>Thirdly, if you'll actually read through my post, I said nothing about plat or shards.  I specifically mentioned un-attuning gear, and allowing players the opportunity to trade in crit mit=HP adorns for something else they might prefer.  Now, I know it might be difficult for you to understand that I wasn't just talking about you and your *specific* needs--I was talkiing about the playerbase in general, and that having choices is usually a good thing.</p><p>Does my suggestion fix every gear change back until the beginning of time?  No, nor do I expect it to.  However, it would, in some small part, give players some element of choice in terms of this new UPCOMING change.  As I already stated.  </p></blockquote><p>There is no absolutely no need, or justification, for an un-attune of all items. Such a request is being made for reasons that has NOTHING to do with crit mit, and everything to do with people wanting to palm off old gear to alts.All SOE needs to do, is make all crit mit adorns be removed from items, and placed in the players inventory. Change the Thurgadin rune merchant to buy back crit mit adorns for shards, problem solved.</p>

[Novusod]

<p>The best solution is <span style="color: #ff0000;">just to get rid of shards completely and let us buy adorns with plat only</span>. The whole idea behind the shard system was obtuse to begin with. We already have to do faction grinds to use these merchants so why do we need shards on top of it? This whole concept of paying shards is more trouble than it is worth. Every time there is a little change everyone crys give me back my shards. Just do the smart thing and get rid of all the shards. Look I probably have more shards than anyone with 900 blue shards and 800 white shards and I would glad if they just went away.</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>The best solution is <span style="color: #ff0000;">just to get rid of shards completely and let us buy adorns with plat only</span> . The whole idea behind the shard system was obtuse to begin with. We already have to do faction grinds to use these merchants so why do we need shards on top of it? This whole concept of paying shards is more trouble than it is worth. Every time there is a little change everyone crys give me back my shards. Just do the smart thing and get rid of all the shards. Look I probably have more shards than anyone with 900 blue shards and 800 white shards and I would glad if they just went away.</p></blockquote> <p>If shards went away there would be no separation between raid-level and group-level rewards, no way to restrict purchases by expansion, and no reason to go back in the zones for new adornments once you unlock the vendors through the initial faction grind.</p> <p>Although I agree, players demanding shard and adornment refunds is silly.  You bought a car seat for your kid, he's in college now and you dont need the seat -- do you go back to the manufacturer and demand they convert it into a set of golf clubs?</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although I agree, players demanding shard and adornment refunds is silly.  You bought a car seat for your kid, he's in college now and you dont need the seat -- do you go back to the manufacturer and demand they convert it into a set of golf clubs?</p></blockquote><p>One of the absolute worst analogies I have seen in a while; in your analogy, you are done with the car seat, have been for years, but want a totally new item to replace it anyway. The truth is, players want exchanges for adorns that are being changed that they are STILL USING.</p><p>A more apt analogy (using your own car seat example), which doesn't suit your argument -- due to it being a more accurate analogy -- would be: The car seat you bought for your kid has been recalled due to a defect; as is the case in most recalls of this sort, customers are offered a car seat with the part repaired (in this case the part is deemed irrepairably flawed so the seat is discontinued), a refund or a satisfactory replacement chosen by the customer. Returning shards spent or allowing choice of a new adorn for gear currently being used does exactly this.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Although I agree, players demanding shard and adornment refunds is silly.  You bought a car seat for your kid, he's in college now and you dont need the seat -- do you go back to the manufacturer and demand they convert it into a set of golf clubs?</p></blockquote><p>You should have left the quoted bit out, entirely. However, I do have to say "thank you" for making me laugh. People come up with the most absurd analogies.</p>

[Novusod]

<p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>The best solution is <span style="color: #ff0000;">just to get rid of shards completely and let us buy adorns with plat only</span> . The whole idea behind the shard system was obtuse to begin with. We already have to do faction grinds to use these merchants so why do we need shards on top of it? This whole concept of paying shards is more trouble than it is worth. Every time there is a little change everyone crys give me back my shards. Just do the smart thing and get rid of all the shards. Look I probably have more shards than anyone with 900 blue shards and 800 white shards and I would glad if they just went away.</p></blockquote> <p>If shards went away there would be <span style="color: #ff0000;">no separation between raid-level and group-level rewards</span>, no way to restrict purchases by expansion, and no reason to go back in the zones for new adornments once you unlock the vendors through the initial faction grind.</p> <p>Although I agree, players demanding shard and adornment refunds is silly.  You bought a car seat for your kid, he's in college now and you dont need the seat -- do you go back to the manufacturer and demand they convert it into a set of golf clubs?</p></blockquote><p>You can't stick a <span style="color: #ff0000;">Red</span> adorn in a <span style="color: #ffff00;">Yellow</span> gear slot. That is what separates raid level from group level and you still have complete dungeons to get the armor drops in the first place. You would have to buy DoV to even talk to the merchant and then you have to faction grind before you can buy from the merchant. Think before you post please. Getting rid of shards is a good idea.</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can't stick a <span style="color: #ff0000;">Red</span> adorn in a <span style="color: #ffff00;">Yellow</span> gear slot. That is what separates raid level from group level and you still have complete dungeons to get the armor drops in the first place. You would have to buy DoV to even talk to the merchant and then you have to faction grind before you can buy from the merchant. Think before you post please. Getting rid of shards is a good idea.</p></blockquote><p>No, you don't -- you only have to have enough plat to buy the loot rights. Keeping shards in, while I admit it is tedious, makes it so you have to continue to run the necessary zones to attain the proper adorns for your gear; it should be this way imo.</p><p>Grumpy was not saying you can put red adorns in yellow slots; he was saying it is a bad idea to remove shards because once you have earned the faction, you would no longer need to run zones to acquire shards -- that is what he considers a bad idea, which I cannot say I disagree with. With all the folks that complain about difficulty in getting groups for these crappy heroic zones, in particular, removing the shard requirement would only make this worse.</p><p>Think before *you* post <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> . Getting rid of shards is a bad idea, though it is a good one if you wish to continue dumbing down the game  -- which means you are likely to get your wish, at some point in the near future =/</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p>The analogy was deliberately humorous to convey the absurdity of players demanding compensation for this so-called loss.  If you don't need something anymore, then it was a sunk cost and you move on.  The logic of dropping a game stat turning into a complete unattunement of all gear and adornments is way more absurd than the golf club analogy.</p>

[Freejazzlive]

<p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The analogy was deliberately humorous to convey the absurdity of players demanding compensation for this so-called loss.  If you don't need something anymore, then it was a sunk cost and you move on.  </p></blockquote><p>This isn't about something you "don't need any more," it's about something being changed from one thing you <strong>USED</strong> to need, to one thing you <strong>STILL</strong> need. IOW, <strong>bad analogy is still bad</strong>.</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The analogy was deliberately humorous to convey the absurdity of players demanding compensation for this so-called loss.  If you don't need something anymore, then it was a sunk cost and you move on.  </p></blockquote><p>This isn't about something you "don't need any more," it's about something being changed from one thing you <strong>USED</strong> to need, to one thing you <strong>STILL</strong> need. IOW, <strong>bad analogy is still bad</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Used to need.. still need... your post doesn't make any sense.  Maybe try again?</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The analogy was deliberately humorous to convey the absurdity of players demanding compensation for this so-called loss.  If you don't need something anymore, then it was a sunk cost and you move on.  </p></blockquote><p>This isn't about something you "don't need any more," it's about something being changed from one thing you <strong>USED</strong> to need, to one thing you <strong>STILL</strong> need. IOW, <strong>bad analogy is still bad</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Used to need.. still need... your post doesn't make any sense.  Maybe try again?</p></blockquote><p>Read his post again, it's called "reading comprehension". At least now I understand how you came up with such a terrible analogy.. deliberately humorous my butt lol. The only thing funny about your analogy was how incredibly bad it was, there was no humor in the analogy itself.</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grumpy_Warrior_01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The analogy was deliberately humorous to convey the absurdity of players demanding compensation for this so-called loss.  If you don't need something anymore, then it was a sunk cost and you move on.  </p></blockquote><p>This isn't about something you "don't need any more," it's about something being changed from one thing you <strong>USED</strong> to need, to one thing you <strong>STILL</strong> need. IOW, <strong>bad analogy is still bad</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Used to need.. still need... your post doesn't make any sense.  Maybe try again?</p></blockquote><p>Read his post again, it's called "reading comprehension". At least now I understand how you came up with such a terrible analogy.. deliberately humorous my butt lol. The only thing funny about your analogy was how incredibly bad it was, there was no humor in the analogy itself.</p></blockquote><p>Now you're trying to dogpile, you're just not any better at it than the poster I quoted.  But tbh it's entertaining while I'm tradeskilling on the other screen.</p>

[CorpseGoddess]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Netty wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Streppoch@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think the issue here isn't who has or doesn't have what.  The issue is player choice.  </p><p>This is a change that is coming, regardless, and I think it would be a good PR move on SOE's part to allow players to choose how they respond to this change.  Rather than enforcing two changes (the removal of crit mit *and* the changeover to HP), they should</p><p>--give a one-time opt-in un-attune for all items, worn or in the bank</p><p>--pop off adornments and allow a trade-in</p><p>This way the change still goes in, but it allows players control over the build of their characters as a result of it.</p></blockquote><p>I replaced alot of CM adorns long befor this. Does this mean i will get shards and cash back for those? I bough them aswell... Do you hear how stupid that sound? just as stupid as asking for refounds if you still wear them. If you get gear and can self buff CM you going to replace them anyway. Sure the health increas on them might suck but you dont lose anything from this change. Infact you gain since you got some extra health. If you dont like well but something els? You can keep crying for them to give you shards back but i dont see it happen. I dont think its needed and i dont think its fair. If you are getting shards and coin back i should aswell even tho i replace most of them a long time ago. Just live with it.</p></blockquote><p>First of all, congratulations on those diplomacy classes.  I'm glad to see they're working out so well for you. </p><p>Second of all, *I'm* not crying about anything.  I personally don't care one way or the other, I'm simply offering suggestions, something you might look into yourself (along with spelling, grammar and syntax).</p><p>Thirdly, if you'll actually read through my post, I said nothing about plat or shards.  I specifically mentioned un-attuning gear, and allowing players the opportunity to trade in crit mit=HP adorns for something else they might prefer.  Now, I know it might be difficult for you to understand that I wasn't just talking about you and your *specific* needs--I was talkiing about the playerbase in general, and that having choices is usually a good thing.</p><p>Does my suggestion fix every gear change back until the beginning of time?  No, nor do I expect it to.  However, it would, in some small part, give players some element of choice in terms of this new UPCOMING change.  As I already stated.  </p></blockquote><p>There is no absolutely no need, or justification, for an un-attune of all items. Such a request is being made for reasons that has NOTHING to do with crit mit, and everything to do with people wanting to palm off old gear to alts.All SOE needs to do, is make all crit mit adorns be removed from items, and placed in the players inventory. Change the Thurgadin rune merchant to buy back crit mit adorns for shards, problem solved.</p></blockquote><p>Okay, fair enough.  Then just pop off the adorns--sounds good to me.</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>I am in agreement with the anti-unattune crowd.  No need for it.  The mechanic has changed. Lets all just move along.  I'd rather they spend precious time actually fixing things that need to be fixed than worrying about everyones feelings over getting free shards or returns on shards.  We bought, we used, now its time to rebuy.  the health adorns are an acceptable short term solution to the removal of crit mit.  </p><p>Anyone short on shards can quickly roll over ToFSx2 with 1 decent grp to get shards tagging alt acounts along in the second grp so they can get their shards too.  Many people have enough decently geared alts to run that and drunderx2 over and over a few times anyhow.  As shards are shareable on the same account a few clears to include your normal raid nights and your going to be re-adorned with all the DPs adorns you want anyhow in place of those HP adorns. </p>

[Hennyo]

I would just like to mention, that the Tofs x2 named now drop blue shards. Even the most casual players in an x2 can clear a good number of the named in there now. Also any single group of players with some ok level of competency can kill everything in there except for 3 of the named.

[Luevien]

<p>For what it's worth (and ignoring the derailing recently in this thread) I would favor popping the adorns off and giving us the option to sell them back for shards.</p><p>I'm not one of the cool people on my server, I'm not in a big guild, I don't raid. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have a shared bank so full of blue shards that I'm destroying them just to clear a slot. I got into the Velious content about six months after release, and I often feel like I very thoroughly missed the boat. Even if I'd been there on day one, though, I would never have been one of those people with more shards than I know what to do with, I admit that. I'm pretty relaxed, I like to enjoy myself, take it easy, and do a zone at a pace where I get to see all the little cool details the designers put in, rather than zerg-rush to named, and then named, and then named, and so on.</p><p>So, that's me. From my perspective, I feel like I earned those shards I spent, too. And I sure as heck wouldn't have spent them on yellow adornments that aren't even as good as the white ones. Shards aren't easy or cheap for me. I'm trying to do my best to make progress, and these changes aren't just not helping, they're making me feel like I'm falling even more behind.</p><p>Thanks for your time.</p><p>-L</p>

[Netty]

<p><cite>Luevien wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For what it's worth (and ignoring the derailing recently in this thread) I would favor popping the adorns off and giving us the option to sell them back for shards.</p><p>I'm not one of the cool people on my server, I'm not in a big guild, I don't raid. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have a shared bank so full of blue shards that I'm destroying them just to clear a slot. I got into the Velious content about six months after release, and I often feel like I very thoroughly missed the boat. Even if I'd been there on day one, though, I would never have been one of those people with more shards than I know what to do with, I admit that. I'm pretty relaxed, I like to enjoy myself, take it easy, and do a zone at a pace where I get to see all the little cool details the designers put in, rather than zerg-rush to named, and then named, and then named, and so on.</p><p>So, that's me. From my perspective, I feel like I earned those shards I spent, too. And I sure as heck wouldn't have spent them on yellow adornments that aren't even as good as the white ones. Shards aren't easy or cheap for me. I'm trying to do my best to make progress, and these changes aren't just not helping, they're making me feel like I'm falling even more behind.</p><p>Thanks for your time.</p><p>-L</p></blockquote><p>And do you even have any red crit mit adorns? Claiming that you dont do that or this and done have so many adorns then you dont have any slots to put them in if you dident buy the gear. And even if you did buy the gear you sound more like someone that just enjoy to take it easy in this game so then you wouldent have needed the CM adorns in the first place. Dont get me wrong im not having a go at you. But if you are trying to progress this change is helping you alot. Since as i said befor even now after you get a small HP boost. Mobs still dont crit. So you dident lose anything. You got a gain in HP and can do harder zones with out having to worry about getting killed by crits.</p><p>If</p>

[Luevien]

<p>Hey there, Netty.</p><p>No worries, I didn't think you were having a go at me.</p><p>The point I was attempting to make was that even as a fairly regular player (neither casual nor hardcore) I'd like to see some shard refund on the adornments I've earned. The specifics aren't really relevant; no, I don't have any red adorns. I have plenty of yellow adorns, and I've needed them for the content I've been running. I had 'em on every piece of equipment that would take them as of a few days ago, and every one that would take CM had it. Now I'm holding off on adorning (and indeed on putting on some new gear and discarding the old) until I see how this CM removal turns out.</p><p>What I'm getting at (and what I was attempting to evoke in my other post) is that there are a lot of people other than raiders being affected by this, and seeing so many people saying "lol how can u not have millions of shards by now" was enough to get me to chime in.</p><p>No, I don't have extra shards. Yes, that's a result of my play style. No, just because shards are valueless to you (not you, Netty, I mean the general you) doesn't mean they are to everyone else. And I figured now was the time for me to indicate my preference as to how they manage the CM removal.</p><p>I can see the other side of this, and while I don't agree with it, I understand how people could come to believe that giving us a choice as to our CM adornment replacements is somehow giving us a free lunch. In my mind, since they're doing away with an entire game mechanic that had been set up as the primary roadblock for all recent content, giving us that choice of how to respend the shards we spent towards that progression is only fair. And, to be honest, even if they had decided to replace CM adornments with ponies and rainbows (rather than underpowered HP adornments) I still would be advocating for giving the player some choice in the matter. (And, yeah, I guess I don't really need ponies and rainbows any more than I need a few hundred more hitpoints.)</p><p>Anyways, chaotic as it may be, that's my say, and I've now had it. Thanks for your time.</p><p>-L</p>

[Laenai]

<p>I dig popping off adorns and letting us trade. Loot unattunement is just silly, though.</p>

[Maelevodin]

<p>I mostly agree with Luevien,</p><p>Adornment choices, at least by many characters, are made with much planning. Whether it be what they percieve as being best for them on a cost to benefit basis, or what best improves their character based on their personal priorities regardless of the cost.</p><p>With the exception of those characters whose bags are overflowing with Plat and Shards; any mass replacement of stats on an adornment where the character has no choice but to live with the change until they grind enough to replace it with something they would have otherwise purchased had the obsolete stat never existed, will only be perceived negatively no matter how much they might have benefited by the retirement of the stat. </p><p>It's not the removal of the stat as much as the forced replacement by an arbitrary stat that causes the resentment. Give folks a choice. At least on the purchased and crafted adornments that had the obsolete stat.  (On the purchased adornments make the buyback the average broker price over the past few months, either by server or universally.) People are much happier when they're given a choice that doesn't cost them anything more than the time to remake their initial decision in these cases.</p><p>The thing I really, really, really, (ad infinitum) do not want to see is yet another Mass-Unequip/Mass-AA Wipe. Having to re-AA/re-equip all my toons each time some change to an AA or stat happens is a royal pain. Only thing worse was perhaps the renaming of spells/abilities.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p>i want unattune for sure but only so my alts can get some hand me downs!</p>

[Tigress]

<p>i agree with the person who said, "pop off the crit mit adornments" and let them be "exchanged" for other adornments. </p><p>i dont agree with the baby seat analogy, that made no sense.</p><p>like almost everybody else: i am still using the crit mit adornments.  ppl in my guild still have to buy crit mit adornments to survive in today's raid.  though we've been warned, one day the raid leader will suddenly say "hey um why are you wearing all health adornments?  your X is low.  go get that X adornment"  it will be a sudden change in the fact that currently ppl have to modify their playstyle to adorn crit mit and whenever this hits live, that will immediately cease.  i have lots of blue shards so replacing them won't be impossible for me.  it may diminish my supply for my alts that need them but i'll get it back soon enough, i'm sure.  however, i'm lacking on white shards.  thankfully, i did not put any crit mit adornments on the yellow slots for the HM x4 gear.</p><p>exchanging the crit mit adornments will mean a lot of relief for certain players bc its hard for them to earn their shards; for others, it's falling like candy so they don't care.</p><p>unattuning all gear, unnecessary.  exchanging the crit mit adorns for something useful, good customer service.</p>

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

<p><cite>Tigress wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>i agree with the person who said, "pop off the crit mit adornments" and let them be "exchanged" for other adornments. </p> <p>i dont agree with the baby seat analogy, that made no sense.</p> <p>like almost everybody else: i am still using the crit mit adornments.  ppl in my guild still have to buy crit mit adornments to survive in today's raid.  though we've been warned, one day the raid leader will suddenly say "hey um why are you wearing all health adornments?  your X is low.  go get that X adornment"  it will be a sudden change in the fact that currently ppl have to modify their playstyle to adorn crit mit and whenever this hits live, that will immediately cease.  i have lots of blue shards so replacing them won't be impossible for me.  it may diminish my supply for my alts that need them but i'll get it back soon enough, i'm sure.  however, i'm lacking on white shards.  thankfully, i did not put any crit mit adornments on the yellow slots for the HM x4 gear.</p> <p>exchanging the crit mit adornments will mean a lot of relief for certain players bc its hard for them to earn their shards; for others, it's falling like candy so they don't care.</p> <p>unattuning all gear, unnecessary.  exchanging the crit mit adorns for something useful, good customer service.</p> </blockquote> <p>You want them to exchange something that is no longer usable, for something that IS usable, at no charge. Which part of that does not make sense?</p> <p>You think they should pop off up to 14 slots (7 yellow slots and 7 red slots) and let you run around stocking up on focus effects and stat adornments, increasing your toon's power dramatically and instantly, for free, just because another stat got removed.  I'm amazed at all these elaborate arguments that we somehow need to be "compensated" for this terrible loss.  Just call it what it is:  fishing for a free gift.</p>

[Fitz]

I agree entirely with a critical mitigation adornment refund. Requesting an unattune is greed at its finest, and simply a desire by many to gear up alts. Refund, but do NOT unattune.