Dark Elf lineage

[kelvmor]

<p>Just a quick question; are dark elves traditionally matriarchal or patriarchal? Again, stressing 'traditionally', and not what Neriak's like now.</p>

[Novusod]

<p>I am pretty sure Dark Elves have always been a Matriarchal society.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>They've been "traditionally" Matriarchal ever since Christanos saw too it that King Naythox Thex was killed and she would always be the queen sometime during the 500 year period.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>So I'm assuming before Cristanos, that dark elves were primarily patriarchal/patrilineal? It occured to me, mostly because of the Thexian revolt against Cristanos, who isn't even a real Thex, IIRC.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>the thexian revolt is becuase before cristanos kille3d nathanox, the whole of neriak was more of a civil war. some were loyal to the king (indigo brotherhood, the spurned) some to the queen (lodge of the dead, priesthood) with the Mask playing both sides.</p><p>When Cristanos offed Nathanox...Talvus was to be the next king..she tried to off him too, and failed. the thexian revolt is them trying to get Talvus back on the throne, and Cristanos does NOT want to 'share' power again.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I'm assuming before Cristanos, that dark elves were primarily patriarchal/patrilineal? It occured to me, mostly because of the Thexian revolt against Cristanos, who isn't even a real Thex, IIRC.</p></blockquote><p>Correct. There have been queens who have ruled the race's various underground provinces in the past, but for the good majority of the race's existence, including when they were first created, there was a king ruling over them.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So I'm assuming before Cristanos, that dark elves were primarily patriarchal/patrilineal? It occured to me, mostly because of the Thexian revolt against Cristanos, who isn't even a real Thex, IIRC.</p></blockquote><p>Correct. There have been queens who have ruled the race's various underground provinces in the past, but for the good majority of the race's existence, including when they were first created, there was a king ruling over them.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the info. I was trying to make up a back story for a dark elf of mine concerning his House. Though I suppose individual Houses can go either way.</p>

[trikka]

<p>So the Thexians have as much right to rule Neriak as the queen does....</p><p>Is this Queen Christianos the same from EQoA? (I never played EQ1). I never realised in that game the king and queen fought among themselves (even though it's been ages since I played it).</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>trikka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So the Thexians have as much right to rule Neriak as the queen does....</p><p>Is this Queen Christianos the same from EQoA? (I never played EQ1). I never realised in that game the king and queen fought among themselves (even though it's been ages since I played it).</p></blockquote><p>Nope. IIRC, the Naythox/Cristanos of EQ1/2 are different than the ones from EQOA. They simply have the same names. Now, Naythox was a direct descendant of the Naythox/Cristanos of EQOA, but Cristanos was married in to the Thex family. Of Cristanos and the two other royal dark elves there, the male there is the only one with any legtimate claim to the throne; he's an illegitimate* son of Naythox and some other dark elf woman (I think her name started with an "S"). Talvus was the firstborn, however, and has more of a claim than his half-brother.</p><p>Also, Cristanos really ticks me off for the whole creating Arasai thing. :</p><p>*I've been reading too much Game of Thrones. Wanted so bad to type b@st@rd there. :|</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>trikka wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So the Thexians have as much right to rule Neriak as the queen does....</p><p>Is this Queen Christianos the same from EQoA? (I never played EQ1). I never realised in that game the king and queen fought among themselves (even though it's been ages since I played it).</p></blockquote><p>Nope. IIRC, the Naythox/Cristanos of EQ1/2 are different than the ones from EQOA. They simply have the same names. Now, Naythox was a direct descendant of the Naythox/Cristanos of EQOA, but Cristanos was married in to the Thex family. Of Cristanos and the two other royal dark elves there, the male there is the only one with any legtimate claim to the throne; he's an illegitimate* son of Naythox and some other dark elf woman (I think her name started with an "S"). Talvus was the firstborn, however, and has more of a claim than his half-brother.</p><p>Also, Cristanos really ticks me off for the whole creating Arasai thing. :</p><p>*I've been reading too much Game of Thrones. Wanted so bad to type b@st@rd there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Correct<strong> Cristanos and Naythox</strong> are not the same from <em>EQoA</em> correct they take those names when they become Queen/King</p><p><strong><span style="color: #ff00ff;">Talvus</span></strong> was the legit son, who now is rogue living between Freeport and Nek, along with the remnants of the <em><strong>Thexian</strong></em> soldiers that Cristanos ordered destroyed.</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong>Tarrant</strong></span> was the illiget son between Naythox and his lover <strong><span style="color: #808000;">Seloxia</span></strong> (Punix iirc her last name was) she was one of the Dark elf warrior guild masters in <span style="color: #00ff00;"><strong>EQ1</strong></span>... Though he sided with Cristanos when she made her play for power by having Naythox assasinated and trying to assinate Talvus.</p><p>As a footnote <strong><span style="color: #808000;">Seloxia</span></strong> is also found as a young dark elf lady in <strong><span style="color: #ffff99;">EQoA</span></strong> in neriak's Lodge of the Dead, though she was at the time is deciding if she wanted to try to learn magics and join the Dead as a Shadowknight or forget it and become an excellent fighter. By <em>E</em><em>Q1 </em>she's a warrior.</p>

[Mixxit]

<p>ahh gotta love rez for his eqoa lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ahh gotta love rez for his eqoa lore <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>EQOA is a love/hate thing for EQ2. Officially the lore of EQ1 prior to EQ2's launch is cannon for EQ2. EQOA was never explicidly linked to EQ1 or EQ2. Sure it happens before the timeline of EQ1, but it isn't necessaraly what happened in EQ1. Take for instance the whole Ethernaught story. That should be happening during the time of EQOA. Does that mean the Ethernaughts should start showing up there? Probably not, it is an EQ2 thing, not something that impacts the timeline of EQOA.</p><p>EQ1 has some kind of ancient dragon city that happens to be in the Rathe Mountains (Seriously?) that not only doesn't exist in EQ2, but doesn't exist in EQOA either. Why? Because it is unique to EQ1's storyline (until someeone in a different game decides its a cool idea and creates it for the other game).</p><p>While significant elements of EQOA were used in making EQ2 lore, it isn't like all of EQOA was considered cannon for EQ2. So knowing the EQOA lore definately gives you some insight, but it also could lead you to some wrong conclusions.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ahh gotta love rez for his eqoa lore <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>EQOA is a love/hate thing for EQ2. Officially the lore of EQ1 prior to EQ2's launch is cannon for EQ2. EQOA was never explicidly linked to EQ1 or EQ2. Sure it happens before the timeline of EQ1, but it isn't necessaraly what happened in EQ1. Take for instance the whole Ethernaught story. That should be happening during the time of EQOA. Does that mean the Ethernaughts should start showing up there? Probably not, it is an EQ2 thing, not something that impacts the timeline of EQOA.</p><p>EQ1 has some kind of ancient dragon city that happens to be in the Rathe Mountains (Seriously?) that not only doesn't exist in EQ2, but doesn't exist in EQOA either. Why? Because it is unique to EQ1's storyline (until someeone in a different game decides its a cool idea and creates it for the other game).</p><p><strong><em>While significant elements of EQOA were used in making EQ2 lore</em></strong>, it isn't like all of EQOA was considered cannon for EQ2. <strong><em>So knowing the EQOA lore definately gives you some insight, but it also could lead you to some wrong conclusions</em></strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Truer statement never said when it comes to Eqoa.</p><p>the Ethernaught situation takes place well before eqoa though. And for 9+years we never knew what the hell the Rosethorn spire was in the Desert near the Oasis in EQoA... until we saw/heard the Shadowman tale of the Ethernaughts and it made sense... not that EQoA ever had the shadowmen as a scourge enemy in that game. But the shadowman towers/obelisks did exist ALOT in the desert. As eqoa is only 500 yrs prior to EQ1 and the ethernaughts were closer to the 1K yr mark prior if not longer.</p><p>As for our timeline, some friends in the know told me some of it is ok and some of it is totally off. Like something like huge chunks of time from what we've pieced together are missing and that the dragons themselves lied to adventurers when stating how long they had been on Norrath in EQ1.</p><p>Dev crews, are basically what it comes down to. Not wanting to be roped into directions other titles of the franchise lead it, hence EQ1 gets the invasion of discord when some friends from eq1 said the discord arc was supposed to be a small side arc, but by that time in EQ1's life new dev crews had took over and took things in that direction. Hence why we get more "original" storylines from EQ1 continuing in EQ2's first 5 yrs with the Naggy/Vox/Soulfire/Mayong/Sathir. </p><p>Hell rumor was Zeb was never supposed to be a linchpin charcter that was the basis of the invasion of the planes of Power, but the eq1 dev crew by that time decided to take the small farming god that liked helping mortals with crops and celebrating at their festivals into some unknown/ultimate-knowledge knowing un-god charcater. </p><p>EQoA doesnt exist anymore, its time in the realm of Norrath ended on march 29th, I parked Rezikai_the_ghost back in the Spiteful shield (shinning shield in the eyes of the paladins) down where I first met Necoric the ghost and watched the servers drop for the final time, as i turned to my brother as he stood fully armored and wearing a very rare tank useable robe as he stood his barbarian warrior in the tunnel of Halas... listening to the musics as the screens blinked away. It was a great game, tbh a better one then this game is for the sheer simplicity it had to it, sure it handcuffed the devs, but alot of times thats a good thing.</p><p>I'll miss the lore,.. especially the deadhills,.. fortunately my brothers and I took a 84hr binge quest run and completed the entire Envar/Deadhills quest... on camera. ... eh but I digress.</p><p>Eqoa's lore wasn't by any means solid.. alot of lore was taken from EQ1's beta lore that was tossed, especially the troll lore since warlord Jurglesh(sp) was the warrior guildmaster/Grobb leader in EQoA. <strong><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; color: #00ff00;"><em></em></span></strong></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; color: #00ff00;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>So take EQoA for what it was, a great story now gone only to be found in the History books and reread as so many great tales deserve.</strong></span></span></em></p>

[Kaitheel]

<p>Well said, Rezikai.</p><p>~Kaitheel</p>

[Mixxit]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>.. fortunately my brothers and I took a 84hr binge quest run and completed the entire Envar/Deadhills quest... on camera. ... </p></blockquote><p><img src="http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/do-want-meme.jpg" width="400" height="300" /></p>

[Mixxit]

<p><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>.. fortunately my brothers and I took a 84hr binge quest run and completed the entire Envar/Deadhills quest... on camera. ... </p></blockquote><p><img src="http://gifsforum.com/images/image/do%20want/grand/g-tennis-ball-do-want-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-427.jpg" width="500" height="409" /></p></p>