Nerf Beastlords In T4

[Rahatmattata]

<p>The T4 population isn't strong enough to afford players quitting BGs because of severely unbalanced classes.</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Screw that. Nerf them all across the board for every tier. </p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Maybe, but I haven't played against them in other tiers. They need adjusting in PvP combat in T4 for sure. It's pretty much whoever has the most (geared) beastlords wins.</p><p>If I was going to put together a premade it would seriously be paladin x2 beastlord x3 and a warden.</p>

[nfsdan2]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The T4 population isn't strong enough to afford players quitting BGs because of severely unbalanced classes.</p></blockquote><p>+1</p><p>A geared beastlord parses more than double the amount of anyone else, sometimes triple.</p><p>Fix this!</p><p> - Durzo/Bloodheal/Meteor</p>

[Raknid]

<p>I have a feeling players will quit in frustration before SOE balances this class properly. Wasn't that there pledge before? No new classes until all the other are balanced? So what should we take away from that? 1)They DID have all the other classes balanced but somehow managed to royally screw up the tuning of BLs? 2)The BL balance issue is just an part of an ongoing problem with class balance that SOE never seems to get right?</p><p>I am going with 1, and did so intentioally so that those who shelled out $40 for their beloved BL class in the "expansion" felt they got their money's worth. Sad that it comes at the expense and frustration of others though.</p>

[DHAELUS]

<p>Have played a few toons in T4 and didn't think about how beastlords needed to be powered down until I fought one with my guardian who has a mix of mastercrafted/bg gear and was killed within a few moments before I knew what happened. I've gone up against fully geared vet's playing berserkers and sk's who've not done that to me.</p><p>Overall I hate saying this but BL are killing my fun for Battlegrounds.</p><p><cite>nfsdan2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>beastlord parses more than double the amount of anyone else, sometimes triple.</p><p>Fix this!</p></blockquote><p>I was able to match it once with my warlock when I had him spamming AE spells. But agreed their parses are insane.</p>

[Bleuty]

<p>Beastlords are not OP they can easily be killed all you have to do is kill thier warder first</p>

[DHAELUS]

<p>I've tried that many times but they kill me before I get the chance to kill their warder.</p><p>Edit: If their warder does die, how long is the recast to summon a new one btw?</p>

[bks6721]

<p>yeah, nerf a class to appease the 38 people that level lock for bg's..  lol</p>

[metahoop]

<p>I'm done feeding these T4 jagoffs that keep playing the massively over-powered BL's over and over and over , day in and day out, week after week. This is so freaking ridiculous, why isn't SOE/EQ2 doing anything about it??? I ONLY play this game because of BG and its turned into nothing but a battle of the BL's. EQ2 take some responsibilty and address this issue before you lose what little you have left behind. The use of BEASTLORDS in BG is nothing less than an EXPLOIT and it is completely and totally destroying any chance of a T4BG comeback.</p><p>PLEASE NERF THE BEASTLORD!!!!!</p><p>right NOW!!!</p><p>There is no way in the world I would continue to pay for this game if this is what I have to get used to.</p>

[Piccolo]

<p>Roll a Beastlord for your self..</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p>I kind of have to agree, if your not up to par with a class or can't compete make one. Even at 90 people complain all the time that this class is better than another class, what the fail to see is what they could be doing wrong. </p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Bleuty@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Beastlords are not OP they can easily be killed all you have to do is kill thier warder first</p></blockquote><p>You really should have some sort of knowledge before you speak. BL get an aa ability in which instantly revives the warden upon death, heals it, and reduces all dmg done to it for 10-12seconds.</p><p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Roll a Beastlord for your self..</p></blockquote><p>It's people like you that truly ruin BGs/PvP. We do not want to play a crap overpowered class just because the class is overpowered. We want the class brought in line with other scouts within the same teir as it should be. The "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude is stupid beyond words.</p><p>SoE please fix this broker overpowered class. We know that you made the class so extremely overpowered to sell an "expansion" with no content so people can pay to win, but it's been long enough... fix it.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bleuty@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Beastlords are not OP they can easily be killed all you have to do is kill thier warder first</p></blockquote><p>You really should have some sort of knowledge before you speak. BL get an aa ability in which instantly revives the warden upon death, heals it, and reduces all dmg done to it for 10-12seconds.</p><p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Roll a Beastlord for your self..</p></blockquote><p>It's people like you that truly ruin BGs/PvP. We do not want to play a crap overpowered class just because the class is overpowered. We want the class brought in line with other scouts within the same teir as it should be. The "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude is stupid beyond words.</p><p>SoE please fix this broker overpowered class. We know that you made the class so extremely overpowered to sell an "expansion" with no content so people can pay to win, but it's been long enough... fix it.</p></blockquote><p>Why can't you adapt? There is a flaw in every toon in this game. I went into a t4 bg with my ranger smoke beastlords everytime they sent there pet to me I drop target pet goes away, snare them up, use pot cures etc..If anything you should like to credit yourself in finding ways to defeat classes that are harder instead of trying to get them nerfed.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bleuty@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Beastlords are not OP they can easily be killed all you have to do is kill thier warder first</p></blockquote><p>You really should have some sort of knowledge before you speak. BL get an aa ability in which instantly revives the warden upon death, heals it, and reduces all dmg done to it for 10-12seconds.</p><p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Roll a Beastlord for your self..</p></blockquote><p>It's people like you that truly ruin BGs/PvP. We do not want to play a crap overpowered class just because the class is overpowered. We want the class brought in line with other scouts within the same teir as it should be. The "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude is stupid beyond words.</p><p>SoE please fix this broker overpowered class. We know that you made the class so extremely overpowered to sell an "expansion" with no content so people can pay to win, but it's been long enough... fix it.</p></blockquote><p>Why can't you adapt? There is a flaw in every toon in this game. I went into a t4 bg with my ranger smoke beastlords everytime they sent there pet to me I drop target pet goes away, snare them up, use pot cures etc..If anything you should like to credit yourself in finding ways to defeat classes that are harder instead of trying to get them nerfed.</p></blockquote><p>Why should we "adapt" (which basically means accept that the class is far superior & completely overpowered) just so some crap players who got rolled over & over until beastlords came out & let them win based on their class & nothing else can win? First off the beastlord you killed was obviously a noob. Any BGer playing a beastlord that isn't a blithering idiot will macro all CA's to make their warder attack their target. Deaggroing their pet does nothing next click and the pet is back on you. Also their AoE stifle is up ever 60seconds or less & freedom of mind is up every 10mins, therefor your whole "use cure pots" thing is out the window. You have 2 snares that stack as a ranger in T4 which can be potted, can use the pvp item that makes them immune to snare, can use freedom of action, ect to get around snare. Not only that but beastlord also can snare you. BL stun is 3sec & stifle is 5sec, plenty enough time to kill you. I kill beastlords as well... that doesn't take anything away from the fact that the class is completely overpowered & needs to be nerfed severely.</p>

[Delethen]

<p>Absolute best case scenario, beastlords aren't going to be touched in pvp / battlegrounds till April.  And honestly, I'd be amazed if they do. </p>

[Bleuty]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bleuty@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Beastlords are not OP they can easily be killed all you have to do is kill thier warder first</p></blockquote><p>You really should have some sort of knowledge before you speak. BL get an aa ability in which instantly revives the warden upon death, heals it, and reduces all dmg done to it for 10-12seconds.</p><p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Roll a Beastlord for your self..</p></blockquote><p>It's people like you that truly ruin BGs/PvP. We do not want to play a crap overpowered class just because the class is overpowered. We want the class brought in line with other scouts within the same teir as it should be. The "if you can't beat them, join them" attitude is stupid beyond words.</p><p>SoE please fix this broker overpowered class. We know that you made the class so extremely overpowered to sell an "expansion" with no content so people can pay to win, but it's been long enough... fix it.</p></blockquote><p>umm have you heard of stun,stifle or root maybe you need to look at yourself and learn how to play your own toon</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yes, bsts can be killed, and CC'd, and if you can kill their pet, they do less dps for 15 seconds until they resummon their pets. That doesn't exactly mean they're balanced. You can say "just kill his pet," but that can be really hard to do while you're being stifled, taunted, and their pet is being healed. When you do kill the pet, you're already at 20% hp. Also, having a pet that enables most of a class' dps/utilty does not justified being OP. You don't see summoners pumping out ridiculous dps and utility and hearing "oh just kill the necro's pet."</p><p>10% flurry and all the potency buffs, and being able to chain attacks that each do 1k damage back to back, aoe stifle... depending on how you set up: pet buffs that increase multi attack, base auto attack damage, and I forget what else... being able to heal for 80k+ in gears in T4. It's OP, sorry.</p><p>I do have a bst and I played it for a while, grandmastered the bear and lizard warders, 100+ AA, fully mastered. I'd just rather play my warden or illy. Six geared/setup beastlords in a gears match would completely destroy any other possible setup, and that's a fact. Especially if they coordinate builds to compliment each other.</p>

[Matanzas]

<p>When I was still playing in T4 I had not much trouble killing beastlords on my T4 guardian.  Although the beastlords i fought probably weren't that well geared and I am much better and more geared than most others in the tier.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>2,900 damage with an auto attack. Didn't even have to push a button. Second auto attack hit for 61 damage which killed me. That's 2,961 damage so pretty close to 3k. I have like 3,800 hp and play a built warden named Sixgauge Helix... fully mastered, adorned, 100+ AA blah blah etc and so forth. This doesn't include the previous 3 seconds of the fight. OP much?</p><p><img src="http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg141/scaled.php?server=141&filename=bst.jpg&res=medium" width="504" height="242" /></p>

[Periko]

<p>Wee need  Bl like this to kill op healers.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah, nerf a class to appease the 38 people that level lock for bg's..  lol</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>I dunno how many people it effects since a ton of people have been disgusted with the state of BGs for months now and don't play anymore, but if something is dumb and broken I'll point it out and the devs can decide if it's worth their time and money to fix or not. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed though. I don't care how they are outside of T4 PvP, so they can just balance the level 30 PvP side of their AAs and CAs and leave them however they are in PvE and their other tiers of abilities.</p><p>Or better yet, since they clearly weren't designed tuned or tested for PvP, just make it so they can't queue for BGs, or failing that, anything but Tundra haha. Keep your class that wasn't designed or tested for PvP in your terrible map that wasn't designed or tested for PvP ;p <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[nfsdan2]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah, nerf a class to appease the 38 people that level lock for bg's..  lol</p></blockquote><p>+1</p></blockquote><p>So your basically saying that anyone who grinds BG's for tokens to gear their toons should be penalised? ... Newbies should just roll beastlords so they can compete against geared players?</p><p>Is it so hard to get tokens at T4? a full set of blood iron armour and quality treasured jewellery goes a long way to make you competitive untill you get more BG gear - your likely to do more DPS than people in full BG gear.</p><p>If "roll a beastlord" is the solution, why not just remove every other class from character selection, im sure people will enjoy the variety of gameplay that will bring.</p><p>This is about balance, for Battlegrounds to be fun every class should have an equal opportunity to provide a benefit to the group, at the moment Beastlords are making every other DPS class redundant.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>I'm just saying it affects such a small number of players in a specific teir of pvp as compaired to how many players it effects by tweaking the class.</p><p>I don't believe SoE is capable of fixing this issue without impacting all tiers of the class.</p><p>I also don't believe SoE gives 2 shakes about pvp anymore, so all the rage is worthless anyway.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah, nerf a class to appease the 38 people that level lock for bg's..  lol</p></blockquote><p>+1</p></blockquote><p>People like ^this^ need to wake up & realize that people have ALWAYS lvl locked for pvp & ALWAYS will. T4 BGs at many times of the day is more active than 90 (though SoE & their BLs pay to win nonsense are killing the population). If you want to be ignorant & argue that SoE shouldn't care about t4 BGs then we can make it a pve issue. BL are OP in pve just like in pvp. My T4 BL parses 3k+ on a training dummy while my T4 assassin parses 1.7k, almost twice the dps. Now let's look at 90 BLs... my friend parses 300-350k in raids with a mix of Ry'Gorr/EM/x2 gear. Can you guess how that compares to other classes with equal gear? How about other classes who are far better geared? Other scouts in a mix of EM/HM gear are parsing 180k-250k. The class is OP in every teir, we are just talking about T4 BGs because that is the topic. If you have no common sense, if you don't care about the teir, or if you have no idea how the class works in T4 & other teirs then get off of this thread.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yeah, nerf a class to appease the 38 people that level lock for bg's..  lol</p></blockquote><p>+1</p></blockquote><p>People like ^this^ need to wake up & realize that people have ALWAYS lvl locked for pvp & ALWAYS will. T4 BGs at many times of the day is more active than 90 (though SoE & their BLs pay to win nonsense are killing the population). If you want to be ignorant & argue that SoE shouldn't care about t4 BGs then we can make it a pve issue. BL are OP in pve just like in pvp. My T4 BL parses 3k+ on a training dummy while my T4 assassin parses 1.7k, almost twice the dps. Now let's look at 90 BLs... my friend parses 300-350k in raids with a mix of Ry'Gorr/EM/x2 gear. Can you guess how that compares to other classes with equal gear? How about other classes who are far better geared? Other scouts in a mix of EM/HM gear are parsing 180k-250k. The class is OP in every teir, we are just talking about T4 BGs because that is the topic. If you have no common sense, if you don't care about the teir, or if you have no idea how the class works in T4 & other teirs then get off of this thread.</p></blockquote><p>good post.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p>Funny I don't have a issue with beastlords at all, not even in t4 lol, there pets die fast, then they are use less, this thread is a repeat, of nerf brawler,assassin,sk's,paladins and any other class that can kill mine. Maybe a change in playstyle might help. To people new to the fight each other scene, it's never been in sony's best interest to make classes even with each other and it never will. </p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>Guess I'll repeat this since some people just don't get it... no one is saying BL is unkillable so you guys can stop posting nonsense about how you kill BLs. The majority's problem with BL is their ability to unleash twice the dps as other dps classes in the teir while also being able to heal & ward when necessary. They also have crazy support including an aoe stifle on a 60sec or less recast. Certain abilities that were nerfed or removed in t4 because it was too powerful, including flurry, were reintroduced to t4 for beastlords only. I truly feel sorry for people who don't see that BL were made entirely OP to sell an expansion with no content.</p><p>Oh & lol @ BLs getting a 90 myth while everyone else's is 80. Oh wait not a 90 myth... 2 90 myths... oh & all you need to do for your BL myth is kill HM statue while the only other 90 myths atm are 2% drop chance off of the last named in drunder x4 zones... only one has dropped to my knowledge.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Funny I don't have a issue with beastlords at all, not even in t4 lol, there pets die fast, then they are use less, this thread is a repeat, of nerf brawler,assassin,sk's,paladins and any other class that can kill mine. Maybe a change in playstyle might help. To people new to the fight each other scene, it's never been in sony's best interest to make classes even with each other and it never will. </p></blockquote><p>Gratz on fighting crappy beastlords and not getting stifled for 5 seconds and auto attacked with a 3k flurry.</p>

[Freejazzlive]

<p><cite>Meube@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Screw that. Nerf them all across the board for every tier. </p></blockquote><p>This, o yes <strong>THIS</strong>.</p>

[Freejazzlive]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm just saying it affects such a small number of players in a specific teir of pvp as compaired to how many players it effects by tweaking the class.</p><p>I don't believe SoE is capable of fixing this issue without impacting all tiers of the class.</p><p>I also don't believe SoE gives 2 shakes about pvp anymore, so all the rage is worthless anyway.</p></blockquote><p>It's not just about the PvP: Beastlords are <strong>wildly</strong> over-powered, period.</p>

[Kizee]

<p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm just saying it affects such a small number of players in a specific teir of pvp as compaired to how many players it effects by tweaking the class.</p><p>I don't believe SoE is capable of fixing this issue without impacting all tiers of the class.</p><p>I also don't believe SoE gives 2 shakes about pvp anymore, so all the rage is worthless anyway.</p></blockquote><p>It's not just about the PvP: Beastlords are <strong>wildly</strong> over-powered, period.</p></blockquote><p>Yep.</p><p>They are almost breaking 1mil on parses. >.<</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Atleast the guy that just posted that insanely high parse acknowledges the class is OP, and doesn't play dumb like a bunch of other Beasties out there.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm just saying it affects such a small number of players in a specific teir of pvp as compaired to how many players it effects by tweaking the class.</p><p>I don't believe SoE is capable of fixing this issue without impacting all tiers of the class.</p><p>I also don't believe SoE gives 2 shakes about pvp anymore, so all the rage is worthless anyway.</p></blockquote><p>It's not just about the PvP: Beastlords are <strong>wildly</strong> over-powered, period.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, its part of 'The Plan(tm)'</p><p>Rage about it all you want, its not going to change until next xpac.</p>

[SOE-MOD-02]

<p>Thank you for the feedback, but I am going to close this down now.</p><p><span style="color: #d2c5a9; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;">Nerf Calls - Openly calling for "Nerfs" (blanket reductions to abilities) is not allowed. If you feel something is overpowered or needs to be toned back, post your constructive comments and explanations.</span></p>