Can T4 BG make a come back?

[metahoop]

<p>   I don't know of anyone that enjoys playing the "Tundra"map in T4BG's. It doesn't work properly and is riddled with exploits. You cannot take out the towers, the doors...but hey we know this. The que system is buggy, you get truancy, and this all adds to an absolutely miserable experience as we keep getting "herded" into this map.</p><p> If this doesn't make matters horrible enough, we now have to deal with the massively over-powered beastlords. The average damage output is anywhere from 3-5x the amount of dmg of a seasoned player in full faction BG gear. This makes an already disfunctional map, any map for that reason a totally horrible experience for everyone except the BL's. We're not talking 1 or 2 beastlords every now and then either. I have seen as many as 6 in a 12 man BG.</p><p>SOE- Is anything being done to limit the dmg output of the beastlord?</p><p>SOE- Would you ever consider removing the "Tundra" map from T4 BG rotation?</p><p>P.S. I post about once a year, I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears. Smokejumper? Anyone? I would love to see battlegrounds become the success I know it can be.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Nuxx of Undercon</p>

[S_M_I_T_E]

<p><cite>metahoop wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>   I don't know of anyone that enjoys playing the "Tundra"map in T4BG's. It doesn't work properly and is riddled with exploits. You cannot take out the towers, the doors...but hey we know this. The que system is buggy, you get truancy, and this all adds to an absolutely miserable experience as we keep getting "herded" into this map.</p><p> If this doesn't make matters horrible enough, we now have to deal with the massively over-powered beastlords. The average damage output is anywhere from 3-5x the amount of dmg of a seasoned player in full faction BG gear. This makes an already disfunctional map, any map for that reason a totally horrible experience for everyone except the BL's. We're not talking 1 or 2 beastlords every now and then either. I have seen as many as 6 in a 12 man BG.</p><p>SOE- Is anything being done to limit the dmg output of the beastlord?</p><p>SOE- Would you ever consider removing the "Tundra" map from T4 BG rotation?</p><p>P.S. I post about once a year, I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears. Smokejumper? Anyone? I would love to see battlegrounds become the success I know it can be.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Nuxx of Undercon</p></blockquote><p>So Beastlords are the new SKs of T4?</p><p>Sounds like I need to come back to BGs as a BL and faceroll a BL, but alas there is no carrot other than BGing itself.</p>

[Delethen]

<p>Unless the stealth removal of the battlegrounds tab from the zones window on the Nagafen server was an accident, then no, I doubt it.  Battlegrounds are probably done for now at all tiers.</p>

[S_M_I_T_E]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Unless the stealth removal of the battlegrounds tab from the zones window on the Nagafen server was an accident, then no, I doubt it.  Battlegrounds are probably done for now at all tiers.</p></blockquote><p>Yowza.  Sounds like it's Epic Prints all over again.  Stealth dismantling. </p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yes the home server queuing is broken, I pretty much guarentee it's a bug thanks to the last patch.</p><p>Tonight in T4 we had Den and Ganak going allllll night... and then when people started to get tired and log it was non stop gears. It was so fun... everyone was just queueing for ganak and den. I refuse to do FT, I don't queue for it, I won't accept a FT match. I would rather sit in champion's respite tooling around on facebook or something and wait for you guys to be done.</p><p>Most nights, people just queue all, but sometimes you can get them to start queuing for certain maps and then it's good times.</p><p>Devs, please fix the home server queue (at least it's broken on AB), and lower the priority the matchmaker gives Frozen Tundra maps. Is that a lot to ask? If you want to get fancy, balance beast lords in T4, and make the "new" season 3 gear actually have better stats and mitigation than the old stuff... or at least as good. When the season 3 gear was created, it was like a script or something just scaled down the gear for lower tiers until you get to T4, where the stats are actually worse than the old gear in many ways.</p>

[Kryvak]

<p><cite>metahoop wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>   I don't know of anyone that enjoys playing the "Tundra"map in T4BG's. It doesn't work properly and is riddled with exploits. You cannot take out the towers, the doors...but hey we know this. The que system is buggy, you get truancy, and this all adds to an absolutely miserable experience as we keep getting "herded" into this map.</p><p> If this doesn't make matters horrible enough, we now have to deal with the massively over-powered beastlords. The average damage output is anywhere from 3-5x the amount of dmg of a seasoned player in full faction BG gear. This makes an already disfunctional map, any map for that reason a totally horrible experience for everyone except the BL's. We're not talking 1 or 2 beastlords every now and then either. I have seen as many as 6 in a 12 man BG.</p><p>SOE- Is anything being done to limit the dmg output of the beastlord?</p><p>SOE- Would you ever consider removing the "Tundra" map from T4 BG rotation?</p><p>P.S. I post about once a year, I hope this doesn't fall on deaf ears. Smokejumper? Anyone? I would love to see battlegrounds become the success I know it can be.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Nuxx of Undercon</p></blockquote><p>While I don't know about the beastlords (left T4 BGs before that), the Tundra map isn't worth doing. Get people not to queue for it. If nobody queues for it (since I realy doubt anyone actually likes it), it wouldn't matter if people's conpiracy theories about Tundra being prioritized over other maps were true. Like Malevolencexx said, it's completely possible to get a non-Tundra rotation going, so get it done. Tell everyone not to queue for it at the end of a BG, it'll work eventually.</p>

[metahoop]

<p>It's not possible, not everyone ques correctly. Most que for any map in order to get anything.</p><p> The removal of Tundra map is comepletely justified.</p><p>BG's prior to this map being introduced were thriving. Rotations were fun, made sense, but this post is about the survivability of T4BG's, not looking for suggestions on how to get mass groups to do things together, ie. game (mal)functions.</p><p>  After originally posting this I have been playing BG's very regularly. I have noticed the same map malfunctions with "Tundra", not to mention learning of exploits as far as manuevereing the NPC's around. Examples of enemy NPC's coming face to face with each other only to stand there. Ways of creating loops of mobs so that the enemy team stands no chance. As far as I can tell this map is worse now than when it first launched and destroyed the already thriving BG community. This map is beyond frustrating and I can only assume SOE has decided its a low-priority.</p><p>  To further deteriorate the miraculous come back of T4BG, they have unleashed a toon that does damage unlike anything we have seen since the first days BG's were introduced (warlock). Recently in a match where the BL did 120k in gears while the rest of the players were bunched up around 30k. Try adding salt to the wound by going up against 3 BL's in a gears match. It's basically just like throwing yourself into a meat-grinder. Not much fun.</p><p> I'm just hoping the BL issue is addressed soon, unlike the "Tundra" map. Will SOE/EQ2 do anything about it? I'm asking in the hopes someone at the EQ2 Mothership will respond to this concern that is shared by this T4 community.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yea, beastlord dps and heals need to be lowerd. Honestly, they seem to do fair dps in spiritual stance... but they also heal for like 100k.</p><p>While you're at it, do something with doom judgement. It's dumb.</p><p>Frozen Tundra is just a hella fail map... but they aren't going to just remove it. At the very least, SOE needs to tweak the matchmaker so it doesn't give such a high priority to Tundra. The ideal and right thing to do would be to revamp the map so it is actually fun.</p><p>Also, the season 3 BG gear is nothing special in T4 because of the way it has been scaled down from level 90. It needs a boost. We are due for more BG gear as well. Please make it better than the old stuff this time.</p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While you're at it, do something with doom judgement. It's dumb.</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, you would then have to "do something with" the brigand ability as well. Being able to strip 2-3 buffs off a single person more frequently than every 5 minutes is worse.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Not really... being able to doom judgement 7 buffs each off everyone standing near you every 1 min 30 sec or so is pretty much a lot worse.</p><p>Not to mention you see a brigand like once a month, and constantly get gears mathes with like 2 paladins and a shadowknight. It's pretty dumb tbh.</p><p>Oh, and check it out.... 2 crusaders in the screenshot.</p><p><img src="http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6708/eq2000001.png" /></p>

[Kryvak]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not really... being able to doom judgement 7 buffs each off everyone standing near you every 1 min 30 sec or so is pretty much a lot worse.</p><p>Not to mention you see a brigand like once a month, and constantly get gears mathes with like 2 paladins and a shadowknight. It's pretty dumb tbh.</p><p>Oh, and check it out.... 2 crusaders in the screenshot.</p></blockquote><p>That's pretty ridiculous, especially at T4, does it happen every time Doom Judgement is cast or was it that once? Dueling at level 90, I've only gotten 3 or 4 stripped, and I would think it would be less with PvP rules.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Depends what classes get dispelled. The screenshot was my ranger... usually lose 6 buffs on my warden. Including my +mp potions which costs money ;p</p><p>Should let me dispel a couple dozen arrows out of your bags every 1:30 tbh haha</p><p>I know when I played a setup shadowknight for a few months, I would dispel 15-20ish buffs in the middle of gears or the center tower at den with one mouse click.</p>