Tundra: The real Feedback

[swerve126]

<p>OK I'm confused and I hope a dev can respond to this as I am a loyal EQ2 player since launch and I have 2 accounts.  I also played eq for years....</p><p>Why are you still pushing this tunda map?  No one seems to like it and no one can begin to guess why you are spamming it on the ques.  I play T4 mostly and noticed that tundra, which ques before ganak which requires less people.  So on  7 vs 7 or 8 vs 8 why is it that ganak does not que over tundra? We still have only 2 choices to que most of the time.  Klak and tundra..   </p><p>Please do us a favor and take tundra out of the game....you have failed....it is ok....try again but stop trying to make this something that it's not....</p><p>PLEASE TAKE TUNDRA OUT SO WE CAN GET BACK TO GANAK AND DEN!!!!!!!</p><p>If I'm wrong and do not speak for the majority please forgive this post.</p><p>Also why was shadows treeaas taken away?  If someone want to stay 39 for the entire duration of the game why does that matter to you?  Are we killing all the lvl 90 players?? IM just trying to understand..</p><p>Thank You,</p><p>loyal eq and eq2 customer.</p>

[GCP]

Here's an idea: Don't select it.

[swerve126]

<p>I agree wih ya and i dont..the only problem is, I would have to sit out because of the population. not enough players to run tundra and another map.  So when i decline it, it also bugs the que for t4... and bc most people just que all, tundra comes up first.  and then everyone is in the zone yelling how much it suks lol...anyways</p><p>Anyways thanks for proving my point....why is soe forcing this map on players....you either have to play the map or sit out and not play....</p><p>but thanks for stating he obvious einstein</p>

[Souse]

<p><cite>Ruffis@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>OK I'm confused and I hope a dev can respond to this as I am a loyal EQ2 player since launch and I have 2 accounts.  I also played eq for years....</p><p>Why are you still pushing this tunda map?  No one seems to like it and no one can begin to guess why you are spamming it on the ques.  I play T4 mostly and noticed that tundra, which ques before ganak which requires less people.  So on  7 vs 7 or 8 vs 8 why is it that ganak does not que over tundra? We still have only 2 choices to que most of the time.  Klak and tundra..   </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I've heard far too many complaints about this map to conclude otherwise; everyone does not like this map. However, there's no real evidence other than the constant queues (which could just be a bug, or an unforseen mechanic) that SOE is forcing the map to be queued over the other maps.</span></p><p>Please do us a favor and take tundra out of the game....you have failed....it is ok....try again but stop trying to make this something that it's not....</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Maybe not take it out, but revamp it so it is playable (no NPCs, for Battlegrounds is supposed to be PvP, for one specific example).</span></p><p>PLEASE TAKE TUNDRA OUT SO WE CAN GET BACK TO GANAK AND DEN!!!!!!!</p><p>If I'm wrong and do not speak for the majority please forgive this post.</p><p>Also why was shadows treeaas taken away?  If someone want to stay 39 for the entire duration of the game why does that matter to you?  Are we killing all the lvl 90 players?? IM just trying to understand..</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">There are many overpowering mechanics introduced within the shadow trees, such as priest doublecast. It's to offer balance for the lower tiers.</span></p><p>Thank You,</p><p>loyal eq and eq2 customer.</p></blockquote>

[swerve126]

<p>Hey thanks, those are great ideas.  You have a point, the map looks great but yes take out the npcs, that is what s killin te map..... Any you are also correct, there is no evidence but if it is a bug then fix it.  It just seems like from day one they tried to "force" people to play: first with the faction and now with the ques.  But if you que all it will b the one you get into.</p><p>Thanks for the info about the shadows tree.  And if they are fixing OP what about the BL lol</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>The Frozen Tundra does suck and it makes no sense that it pops before Ganak. Sometimes you can shout and convince enough people to queue Ganak or Den to get it to pop if they listen.</p><p>The TSO tree is gone and I doubt we're getting it back at level 39.</p><p>And yea, I have been flurried by beast lords on my ranger 4 times for 450 - 700 damage each. That character is in DFC chain armor.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>Tundra map is completely aweful. SoE REALLY needs to understand that people who enjoy player vs player combat ONLY WANT PLAYER VS PLAYER COMBAT. WE DO NOT want to fight NPCs in a battleground & we DO NOT want to fight NPC mercenaries in open world pvp.</p>

[Souse]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tundra map is completely aweful. SoE REALLY needs to understand that people who enjoy player vs player combat ONLY WANT PLAYER VS PLAYER COMBAT. WE DO NOT want to fight NPCs in a battleground & we DO NOT want to fight NPC mercenaries in open world pvp.</p></blockquote><p>QFE</p>

[Corydonn]

<p>Tundra's concept just doesn't work in an MMO. There is no leveling up, gold from killing creeps, or sweet items to buy back at base.</p>

[Delethen]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Frozen Tundra does suck and it makes no sense that it pops before Ganak. Sometimes you can shout and convince enough people to queue Ganak or Den to get it to pop if they listen.</p></blockquote><p>This really.</p><p>The order the BGs pops in needs to be fixed and the priority that tundra still has should be removed.  No way should a supposedly 18 v 18 map be taking priority over a 12 v 12 (and in some cases, a 6 v 6).</p>

[Makembleed]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Frozen Tundra does suck and it makes no sense that it pops before Ganak. Sometimes you can shout and convince enough people to queue Ganak or Den to get it to pop if they listen.</p></blockquote><p>This really.</p><p>The order the BGs pops in needs to be fixed and the priority that tundra still has should be removed.  No way should a supposedly 18 v 18 map be taking priority over a 12 v 12 (and in some cases, a 6 v 6).</p></blockquote><p>+1</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Tundra is horrid, and doesnt even feel like a BG. If I'm going to BG I expect Gears, Ganak, or Dens. Tundra doesn't even make any sense as a BG. Scrap it or revise it not to stick out like a sore thumb everyone hates. </p>

[Matanzas]

<p>It really makes me angry that soe can never admit when they have made a mistake and fix it.  They need to learn to know when what they have put out is nothing but a steaming pile of poop and remove it.  This is just one example.  They are too stubborn to admit when they have made a mistake, and it is killing the game.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Sad truth:</p><p>If no one liked it, people wouldn't play it.  Because people still have the box checked, they must not hate it too bad.</p><p>And before you say "Well then I wouldn't be able to play because everyone is playing Tundra..." Maybe you're the minority, and they shouldn't revamp something for you.</p><p>As for Tundra itself: Having NPCs in the way doesn't prevent the player-versus-player aspect, just like having overland mobs in the way doesn't ruin overland PVP. They aren't overly difficult, and the whole purpose is to force a "tug-of-war" scenario that just wouldn't happen with only players.</p><p>The concept itself is fine, but every time I've ever run it, it's just a sprint for the gates, bypassing the towers, and DPS contest on whoever can bypass the regen faster. Maybe that's been fixed, but it certainly needs to be.</p><p>If you want to simulate the whole MOBA thing, the marketplace seems pretty versatile. Let people purchase buffs based on the points they have accumulated. Make the rounds last 10-15 minutes, reward more tokens. Bump it down to 2 groups per side, and balance accordingly.</p><p>Alternatively, just balance it around the arena champion / dungeon maker avatars that are being shoved down our throats, and leave that as an option for people to obtain BG tokens who feel they are too undergeared to participate.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Maergoth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sad truth:</p><p>If no one liked it, people wouldn't play it.  Because people still have the box checked, they must not hate it too bad.</p><p>And before you say "Well then I wouldn't be able to play because everyone is playing Tundra..." Maybe you're the minority, and they shouldn't revamp something for you.</p><p>As for Tundra itself: Having NPCs in the way doesn't prevent the player-versus-player aspect, just like having overland mobs in the way doesn't ruin overland PVP. They aren't overly difficult, and the whole purpose is to force a "tug-of-war" scenario that just wouldn't happen with only players.</p><p>The concept itself is fine, but every time I've ever run it, it's just a sprint for the gates, bypassing the towers, and DPS contest on whoever can bypass the regen faster. Maybe that's been fixed, but it certainly needs to be.</p><p>If you want to simulate the whole MOBA thing, the marketplace seems pretty versatile. Let people purchase buffs based on the points they have accumulated. Make the rounds last 10-15 minutes, reward more tokens. Bump it down to 2 groups per side, and balance accordingly.</p><p>Alternatively, just balance it around the arena champion / dungeon maker avatars that are being shoved down our throats, and leave that as an option for people to obtain BG tokens who feel they are too undergeared to participate.</p></blockquote><p>Spoken like a truly uneducated fool. The majority HATE Tundra. The reason people are in it is because when you queue all, Tundra ALMOST ALWAYS takes priority over ANY other map w/ SoE's matchmaker system. Most people queue all in order to have a better chance at getting into a BG. Not only that but SoE's group queue system only allows you to queue the group for one specific map or ALL.... and when you queue all, Tundra pops. Start to actually do BGs before you speak kid.</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The majority HATE Tundra. The reason people are in it is because when you queue all, Tundra ALMOST ALWAYS takes priority over ANY other map w/ SoE's matchmaker system. Most people queue all in order to have a better chance at getting into a BG.</p></blockquote><p>This is true, the majority do hate tundra, and you can see it in Champions. When it pops, you will see a lot of people shouting "don't queue tundra!", etc. It also does take priority over all others. I can't tell you how many tundras I've seen with not enough players to fill a Gears match, let alone a Ganak match. You should not be seeing tundra show up randomly unless there are at least 25 or more people queued up in your tier, or if a lot of people queue only for tundra.</p>

[metahoop]

<p>Delete "TUNDRA". Worst thing since...</p>