ATTN Red Names: Time To Seriously Update This Board

[Michayla]

<p>Dear Red Names,</p><p>It's time for you to seriously update your boards. With F2P now here, the RP community will be seeing a lot of fresh blood. Given that, there is a lot of information in your stickies that is irrelevant anymore like the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=481172" target="_blank">Lucan D'Lere Guild Listing</a> thread. Lucan d'Lere hasn't been a server for a while. And the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=423193" target="_blank">RP Hot Spots</a> thread is severely out of date, half of the places listed don't even exist anymore, and there are many more that aren't on those lists. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=384355" target="_blank">The Roleplay Communities</a> thread is also out of date.</p><p>Despite the fact that newer information is included in said threads, the fact that the original posts are extremely out of date sets a bad example.</p><p>There is still a thriving, though small, roleplay community in this game. It's about time you support it, instead of driving it further underneath the pile of raiding and progression.</p><p>Signed,</p><p>A roleplayer</p>

[metalhed]

<p>I agree. The boards are bloated with super old useless info. A purge on non-sticky, player-made post from say '04 - '10  would be a good start, then check to see if stickies are still useful, if not delete those too.</p>

[grimesie]

<p>Here here!</p>

[ttobey]

<p>Send in The Kraken!! </p>

[Varinn]

<p> Hercules! I beg you. <strong>Don't!</strong>  Hercules! The legs! Lift with the legs!</p>

[Inevera]

<p>Agree with OP.</p><p>I'm on Splitpaw which is the only server offered to us Brits, and all I ever hear is that it's a raiding server and role players should go to AB etc.  Well, we're trying hard to get an RP community on Splitpaw - can't see why the server shouldn't be able to accommodate all game styles.</p><p>However, it is hard to get the message out there that RP is happening on Splitpaw so this Roleplaying forum is vital, especially as has been mentioned, the F2P is bringing in new blood to the game.</p><p>Perhaps the forum name could be upgraded to something like "Roleplayers Community" to attract new players here.</p>

[SisterTheresa]

<p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>Heck, I am unemployed, I'll clean up the boards.</p><p>I'm serious.  I'd be more than happy to help.</p>

[Michayla]

<p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p>

[Inevera]

<p><cite>Michayla@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p></blockquote><p>Couldn't agree more.  It's great that AB is recognised for its RP community, but would be better if people realised RP can happen anywhere on any server.</p><p>Also agree with comment about intimidation by "expert" RPers.  This seems to happen on any game where there is an RP clique, not just here.  In our guild we offer help to new role players in getting started with basic RP, creating character backgrounds and helping them integrate in current RP storylines. </p><p>All the more reason why this forum should be a welcoming help shop for role players, new, casual and experienced.</p>

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[Michayla]

<p><cite>Drumstixx@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff99;">*Please do not quote forum violations*</span></p></blockquote><p>I really don't see how that offers anything constructive to the discussion of ROLEPLAYING but thanks for trying.</p><p>@Inevera: That's really great. I'm glad to hear that there are still people around that are willing to help new people in terms of RPing, not just shun them outright like so many of the so-called "veterans." I've watched a lot of veterans chase new people off the server, or the game completely simply because they didn't like the way they roleplayed. A lot of decent RPers and people in general chased off simply because they didn't fit in to their little clique of friends.</p><p>So it's very nice to see others trying to help. Almost makes me wish I rolled on a server that wasn't AB, since it seems a lot of the "veterans" consider AB their personal sandbox, and if people don't RP their way, they need to leave or be ousted from the community.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Michayla@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff99;">*Let's keep the insults away from the forums please*</span>Aside from that that factual element, I do agree that outdated information on any section of the EQ2 boards, even for the PVP and RPing communities, should have some semblance of being up to date.</p>

[Elomort]

<p>*Scratches idley behind his left ear, kicking the ground before counghing gently*</p><p>Excuse me Meriel</p><p>*Watches eagerly until they look down and raise their eyebrows indicating I may speak*</p><p>Have yous considered maybes that unless the informations is created by the players there is nothing there for the forum godses to update these boardses with, hmmm?</p><p>*grabs hold of the tip of his tail, gnawing on the end slightly nervously*</p><p>Maybes us can start a new set of replacements guides thens when they are written we ask one of the forums godses to just do a replacement? Hmmm, Eruditeses are good are writing and blowing up moonses and planetses, well, gnomses can blow up moonses and planetses too but Eruditeses can write.</p><p>*looks at the lot of you*</p><p>We needs someone with time to makes a start.</p>

[Raffir]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Michayla@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff99; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">*Let's keep the insults away from the forums please*</span>Aside from that that factual element, I do agree that outdated information on any section of the EQ2 boards, even for the PVP and RPing communities, should have some semblance of being up to date.</p></blockquote><p>I agree.  Half the links take you to websites that haven't had a single new post in months...if not years. </p><p><span style="color: #ffff99;">*Let's keep the insults away from the forums please*</span></p><p>Raf</p>

[Banedon_Toran]

<p>It's YOUR board as well you know, check if the original posters of the stickied threads are still around and if not start your own replacement and make sure you cover all the relevant up to date information.</p><p>It's not the job of moderators or developers (i.e. red names) to update player created sticky threads.</p>

[SOE-MOD-02]

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[Crillus]

<p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>Just to make sure that no stone stands and no creature crawls? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[SOE-MOD-02]

<p>Keep the discussion on topic please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Raffir]

<p><cite>Raffir wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Michayla@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; color: #ffff99;">*Let's keep the insults away from the forums please*</span>Aside from that that factual element, I do agree that outdated information on any section of the EQ2 boards, even for the PVP and RPing communities, should have some semblance of being up to date.</p></blockquote><p>I agree.  Half the links take you to websites that haven't had a single new post in months...if not years. </p><p><span style="color: #ffff99;">*Let's keep the insults away from the forums please*</span></p><p>Raf</p></blockquote><p>          How in the world a simple observation about outdated links could be construed as an insult is beyond me..but whatever.</p><p>Raf</p>

[Michayla]

<p><cite>Banedon_Toran wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's YOUR board as well you know, check if the original posters of the stickied threads are still around and if not start your own replacement and make sure you cover all the relevant up to date information.</p><p>It's not the job of moderators or developers (i.e. red names) to update player created sticky threads.</p></blockquote><p>This board is owned and moderated by SoE. Frankly, I find the responsibility of making sure that stickies don't contain 404'd links on them, not me.</p><p>As I said, I'd be willing to create replacement topics, but, at the same time, I'm not going to waste my time until I get confirmation from a red name that the topics in place would be replaced by new topics. Because, in all honesty, trying to revitalize this board would be a waste of time if there wasn't SOME support coming from SoE. And so far the only support I've seen is some moderator getting upset at "insults" and some dev making a lame joke. Sorry, that doesn't count.</p>

[PsiaMeese]

<p><cite>Michayla@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Send in The Kraken!! </p></blockquote><p>That's cute and all, but how about some real support here?</p><p>For far too long, roleplayers have had to resort to their own little communities scattered around the internet. These communities are comprised with some of the biggest mouths ever, intimidating new roleplayers to roleplay their way or get out. If you aren't in their little exclusive clique, they won't pay attention to you, thus discouraging new players from even attempting. You thought the raiding community was picky? HAH!</p><p>So why not give the new roleplayer a decent and up-to-date starting point? I'd be happy to create new posts to get rid of the tired, out-of-date posts.</p><p>The RP community needs some guidance, and quite honestly, it should start on the game's actual forums, not elsewhere. And the welcome should be extended to ALL servers, not just AB.</p></blockquote><p>Michayla, I'm sorry to read that you're having such a time locating solid roleplay resources for the respective server communities. While you're adamant for a <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Red Name</span></strong> to take initiative, traditionally speaking, SOE has never taken that kind of initiative for organizing our in-game community resources. I'm not defending the choice. Merely explaining what I understand that particular <em>lay of the land</em> to be. The overall EQ2 community is now going on eight years old. So I'm not expecting this matter to change.</p><p>Frankly, the only reason you read AB dominated sticky threads was that when server community subforums were done away with (back in 2010) by SOE, it was the Antonia Bayle subforum who had such sticky threads at all. The other subforums didn't have stickies for roleplay postings. I don't know why not? They just didn't. So none were carried to the consolidated <strong>Roleplaying</strong> subforum.</p><p>However, it should be pointed out that while some community efforts are <em>off site</em>, efforts have been made over the years to be inclusive - not exclusive. Exclusivity is subject to interpretation.</p><p><strong>Town Square</strong> is a case in point. It was organized specifically to offer <em>cross-server resources</em>. For reasons I don't pretend to fathom, Antonia Bayle's community dominates the site entries. IMO, this isn't the fault of Town Squares Magistrates or even the fault of the AB community. The Magistrates there have always been open to input from the other servers. But they gotta have the input, ya know?</p><p>It has to be frustrating, I'm sure, for those player's who do make themselves available to organize such information. Yet those efforts sometimes go ignored by virtue of not being a <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Red Name</span></strong>. My sincere suggestion is that anyone who is <em>serious</em> about standing up for their respective roleplay communities, <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?ForumID=1023923&PostCount=3192&GuildID=209853&TabID=1770902" target="_blank">speak up over here</a></span>? Yes, it's off-site. But why let those efforts go completely to waste? While you're at it, consider constructive input to improve it? They really don't mind.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">'Hi! I'm from [insert server community]. Can I lend a hand? Maybe I could <em>help you</em> to maintain the community in some way?'</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">or</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">'Hey, I see things are slow here. What can I do to help invigorate this community?'</p><p>Now that the overall server network is Free-to-Play and additional server mergers seem (mostly) complete, perhaps now is the time for each roleplay community to take stock?</p><p>* Edited for links</p>

[Arbreth]

<p>We have Guides across all the servers that are required to understand the lore and to RP, part of the process to becoming a Guide is to IC'ly present yourself in story form in the application. We are provided with housing that is customizable (i.e. we can decorate it). We have open areas to congregate in with various themes (the loss of the Blood Haze aside). We have an extremely supportive development staff that is willing to work with us on our Player created events across all servers. This is much more than is offered in many other games.RP cannot be handed to you, as a player it is up to us to take the tools provided, including our own imaginations and create the RP, inviting others to play along. No, not everyone will want to, or understand how, or will want to open their specific type of RP to outsiders. Some RP does not loan itself to strangers, it requires a certain amount of trust. Other RP is a simple as meeting on the 'street' and chatting (the 'supermarket line effect' - yes, the phenomenom has a name), even non-RP'ers will often respond to this low key approach if the starter is not over the top to begin with. What type of RP is the OP looking for? It matters, alot. Where were they looking? Are they flagged? Though I know plenty of 'blues' that do RP, they are simply not hiding their location/stats within the game specs for other reasons. Is their character outlandish? Many RP'ers will steer away from extreme characters, there are exceptions, but most of those have other more 'normal' toons to establish a secure a level of comfort in the RP communnity that one is not a complete nut case. Off site forums are a great way to reach out to other RP'ers, Towne Square and Raven-Mythic being two of the best examples, AB centric or not, reading through either, or both, will greatly help a fledgling RP'er. SOE does provide an RP forum, use it, if you write it, others will read it and hopefully respond with the proper respect. Overall, even on servers other than AB, I have found RP'ers to be a generally open and welcoming set of people.</p>

[Cythera]

<p>Make a new, updated thread. Send link to any thread you feel should be unstickied to a forum moderator in a pm. You can also send links of threads you feel should be stickied to said moderators. That's how we get changes in the class forums and certain other forums on these boards. Take the initiative to make these boards work to your best advantage.</p>

[Kohast_Fel]

<p>I agree , I tryed to find RP info on this forum and most of the links for RP groups on AB are for forums that have fossilzed and have not seen a post in years.</p><p>Is there still an active RP community on AB?</p>

[PsiaMeese]

<p><cite>Kohast_Fel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree , I tryed to find RP info on this forum and most of the links for RP groups on AB are for forums that have fossilzed and have not seen a post in years.</p><p>Is there still an active RP community on AB?</p></blockquote><p>AB is continues to be robust with roleplay opportunities. Not all the above stickies are completely out of touch. Did you read the interest check thread regarding the Faydwer Faire? I'm ready to spearhead specific updates for AB's broader resources.  But I can't speak for other server communities. I will leave that up to them.</p><p>I pm'd Isulith with regard to how she wishes to proceed here. Now that the holidays have passed, I was waiting to hear back from her. This requires patience as player's and SOE staff settle back into regular patterns.</p>

[Banedon_Toran]

<p><cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Michayla, I'm sorry to read that you're having such a time locating solid roleplay resources for the respective server communities. While you're adamant for a <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Red Name</span></strong> to take initiative, traditionally speaking, SOE has never taken that kind of initiative for organizing our in-game community resources. I'm not defending the choice. Merely explaining what I understand that particular <em>lay of the land</em> to be. The overall EQ2 community is now going on eight years old. So I'm not expecting this matter to change.</p><p>Frankly, the only reason you read AB dominated sticky threads was that when server community subforums were done away with (back in 2010) by SOE, it was the Antonia Bayle subforum who had such sticky threads at all. The other subforums didn't have stickies for roleplay postings. I don't know why not? They just didn't. So none were carried to the consolidated <strong>Roleplaying</strong> subforum.</p><p>However, it should be pointed out that while some community efforts are <em>off site</em>, efforts have been made over the years to be inclusive - not exclusive. Exclusivity is subject to interpretation.</p><p><strong>Town Square</strong> is a case in point. It was organized specifically to offer <em>cross-server resources</em>. For reasons I don't pretend to fathom, Antonia Bayle's community dominates the site entries. IMO, this isn't the fault of Town Squares Magistrates or even the fault of the AB community. The Magistrates there have always been open to input from the other servers. But they gotta have the input, ya know?</p><p>It has to be frustrating, I'm sure, for those player's who do make themselves available to organize such information. Yet those efforts sometimes go ignored by virtue of not being a <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Red Name</span></strong>. My sincere suggestion is that anyone who is <em>serious</em> about standing up for their respective roleplay communities, <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?ForumID=1023923&PostCount=3192&GuildID=209853&TabID=1770902" target="_blank">speak up over here</a></span>? Yes, it's off-site. But why let those efforts go completely to waste? While you're at it, consider constructive input to improve it? They really don't mind.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">'Hi! I'm from [insert server community]. Can I lend a hand? Maybe I could <em>help you</em> to maintain the community in some way?'</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">or</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">'Hey, I see things are slow here. What can I do to help invigorate this community?'</p><p>Now that the overall server network is Free-to-Play and additional server mergers seem (mostly) complete, perhaps now is the time for each roleplay community to take stock?</p><p>* Edited for links</p></blockquote><p>Well said, and for the record I found the Magistrates on Town Square extremely helpful and friendly when wanting to advertise Elements guild on Freeport server, they went to the trouble of creating a page for Freeport RP guilds even though few such guilds were putting themselves forward.</p><p>The roleplay community is it's players, not the guides, not the moderators.</p>

[PsiaMeese]

<p>I never heard back from Isulith about this. I pm'd Grimgar, who had created the AB sticky thread. If Grimgar isn't interested in updating the post with our help, then I will start a new one for Antonia Bayle. Again, other server communities may wish to compile their own listings if they would like.</p>