T4 Templars

[Souse]

<p>I've been playing a T4 templar for a few months now in battlegrounds, and it seems as if we're not adequate for doing what our job entails, which is to offer support, heal, and nullify opponent effectiveness through debuffs and control effects.</p><p>First off, Paladins heal for far more burst health than Templars do, and their heals have such a short cast time. Templar heals would be alright with this, if it weren't for the increased recast timers compared to the other priests; Templars have naturally higher recast timers and power costs to their heals compared to other priests. This makes healing very inefficient, and many templars will find that they run out of power, despite healing for less than one fourth of a tank's life per heal.</p><p>I think this can be addressed if we either upgrade the amount of damage healed by templars, or decrease the recast timers on their heals. If templars are indeed supposed to have that "BURST HEAL" effect that they have in later tiers, the heals need to be adjusted to show it in the lower tiers as well. Decreasing the recast timers would effect the later tiers as well, making them a bit more overpowered than the other healrs. However, increasing the amount healed at lower tiers, comparable to Paladins, but with the same cast, and power expendabilities, they will have a very important and unique roll in battlegrounds; to heal people extremely suddenly and very fast, of which wardens and furies will have a lack of.</p><p>Other than the healing, I think what I'm about to address is an optional change. I think this would allow the class to flow better if the two DoTs that templars have were changed to slightly powerful nuke abilities that are either casted very fast, or slow, where recast is fast if casted slow, and slow if casted fast. I believe the templar class's roles come into 5 parts: to heal, to protect, to damage, to nulllify, and to utilize. With this change, we'll allow the class to cover all 5 parts more evenly instead of focusing on damage, we'll give an even mix of in-combat utility, offering a new way for the templars to time DPS burst with the other classes.</p><p>Another thing I would like to add is the capabilities of the debuff abilities timed with other abilities. It seems as if two of the debuff abilities are the same cast times as many of the other abilities such as damage and healing (2.0 seconds), so I would like to propose a change to those two debuffs to match the debuffs of the other abilities with a 1.5 second cast time to offer time to heal and apply other abilities to the group instead of spending time on debuffing the opponent (many casts and are resisted despite having this cast timer).</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>Templars have much faster reuse speed than paladins on their heals. At lvl 90 with +44% reuse speed my group heal is 6.3sec recast, single target heal is 31.6sec recast, and self heal is 45sec recast. This is with +44% reuse so in t4 those timers are probably almost doubled. Also paladin heals cannot crit. Templars are one of the most powerful pvp healers as they cannot be interrupted and are immune to stifle almost 100% of the time with Steadfast... not to mention divine recovery... for the heck of it I checked on some t4 templar masters on the broker. Your single target reactive shows as 4.1sec recast, single heal shows as 8.1sec reuse, group reactive is at 10.5... you are also in plate armor with an array of stun/daze/mezz/ects... you are nuts.</p>

[Souse]

<p><cite>V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Templars have much faster reuse speed than paladins on their heals. At lvl 90 with +44% reuse speed my group heal is 6.3sec recast, single target heal is 31.6sec recast, and self heal is 45sec recast. This is with +44% reuse so in t4 those timers are probably almost doubled. Also paladin heals cannot crit. Templars are one of the most powerful pvp healers as they cannot be interrupted and are immune to stifle almost 100% of the time with Steadfast... not to mention divine recovery... for the heck of it I checked on some t4 templar masters on the broker. Your single target reactive shows as 4.1sec recast, single heal shows as 8.1sec reuse, group reactive is at 10.5... you are also in plate armor with an array of stun/daze/mezz/ects... you are nuts.</p></blockquote><p>No matter how much Paladins heal, or have as much recast, or how whatever templar has of recast timers, Templars still heal fro crap in T4 BGS. The group heal does not touch even close to 1/5 of everyone's health at master, while the big heal does not cover more than 1/4 of a tank's health. A Paladin's heals are a lot more stronger, despite their ability to heal, and if you look at the parse for healing, Templars are far below a Paladin who ahs been healing constantly.</p><p>Because our lack of healing, we have to rely on debuffs to fix that amount, which sucks because two of them that are our healing debuffs have a longer cast timer than the rest. Not to mention to amount of resists you can get, especially on Crusaders.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>You've never met eraya/etaria. Best T4 healer ww tbh is a templar.</p>

[JupiterStar]

<p>Hi, this is Etaria/Eraya.</p><p>I have to say I agree, something has happened or something has changed. My heals have drastically gone down, and I have not changed a thing. Thus, something else has. Thanks for the awesome words, Mal, but something is amiss.</p><p>For everyone else, all I have ever played was a T4 templar for last few years... And I can say without a doubt, something has changed.</p><p>After checking to be sure my AAs did not reset, checking my armor, checking everything I possible can, I am completely perplexed.</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Eraya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi, this is Etaria/Eraya.</p><p>I have to say I agree, something has happened or something has changed. My heals have drastically gone down, and I have not changed a thing. Thus, something else has. Thanks for the awesome words, Mal, but something is amiss.</p><p>For everyone else, all I have ever played was a T4 templar for last few years... And I can say without a doubt, something has changed.</p><p>After checking to be sure my AAs did not reset, checking my armor, checking everything I possible can, I am completely perplexed.</p></blockquote><p>Does this mean we accutally have a chance to win now when you are on the other team? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Hennyo]

Healing in BG's was nerfed when the frozen tundra BG came out a couple GU back. That said, no matter how good a cleric is in t4, they will never be able to out heal a similarly skilled druid at that level.

[Proud_Silence]

<p>think heals are the same but dps went nuts at lower lvls since GU and reforging. find the right gear to change stats from and suddenly there's scouts with capped dps or 100+ MA etc.</p><p>just a wild guess</p>

[JupiterStar]

<div><span ><a href="../user/profile.m?user_id=135822"><strong><span style="color: #3333ff;">Tygana</span></strong></a></span>: Hehe, do not worry I have shared many many losses! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div></div><div></div><div><span ><strong>Proud_Silence: </strong>Indeed it has, but would not explain the change in my heals compared to other healers that I have healed</span></div><div></div><div><span > with/against for the past 6 mos or so.<strong></strong></span></div><div></div><div><span ><strong>Hennyo:</strong> I agree and disagree. I noticed the change in Tundra, but I was still able on a regular basis outparse </span></div><div></div><div><span >other healers.  However, now, something has changed, within the past few weeks. </span></div><div></div><div></div><div>I have now checked all my gear, my AAs.... I really cannot figure this one out. </div>

[Ilovecows]

<p>Maybe you healed too much so soe decided to ninja-nerf the class to make them inferior to other healers so you didn't look as good?</p><p>just a wild guess.</p>

[JupiterStar]

<p>The paranoid half of me agrees with you Steppen.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>Let the paranoia take hold of you.  It is good.  You are right.  That man you see at every store, supposedly watching you, IS outside your house right now.  The government is hiding stuff from you.  They want you dead.  Watch out, or you will be killed by the very people who say they love you.</p>

[JupiterStar]

<p>Well, I guess believing would make me very pompous or delusional <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I prefer the latter so I guess that makes me insane? But I can say the consistent change in my healing is definitely real. Maybe it is a sign to retire and try something besides templar, or maybe finally get a char to 90? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Eraya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I guess believing would make me very pompous or delusional <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I prefer the latter so I guess that makes me insane? But I can say the consistent change in my healing is definitely real. Maybe it is a sign to retire and try something besides templar, or maybe finally get a char to 90? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>There <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>have</em></span> been some changes somewhere, I noticed you were going down much faster then usual. I have been getting 2-shotted myself, even in full BG gear/weapons since the update. I don't know if they changed the way BG PvP works, or if its related to BLs.  Its almost like it was back when 90s were infesting T4. I may be moving right next door to you in the retirement vilage. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Well, that, or roll beastlords for new BG alts. They seem to be the new OP BG class. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Souse]

<p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eraya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I guess believing would make me very pompous or delusional <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I prefer the latter so I guess that makes me insane? But I can say the consistent change in my healing is definitely real. Maybe it is a sign to retire and try something besides templar, or maybe finally get a char to 90? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>There <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>have</em></span> been some changes somewhere, I noticed you were going down much faster then usual. I have been getting 2-shotted myself, even in full BG gear/weapons since the update. I don't know if they changed the way BG PvP works, or if its related to BLs.  Its almost like it was back when 90s were infesting T4. I may be moving right next door to you in the retirement vilage. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Well, that, or roll beastlords for new BG alts. They seem to be the new OP BG class. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I believe it's the autoattack being strong and overpowering, as well as the reforging ability, where you can overload on the DPS, by switching stats around.</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Definitive@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eraya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I guess believing would make me very pompous or delusional <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I prefer the latter so I guess that makes me insane? But I can say the consistent change in my healing is definitely real. Maybe it is a sign to retire and try something besides templar, or maybe finally get a char to 90? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>There <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>have</em></span> been some changes somewhere, I noticed you were going down much faster then usual. I have been getting 2-shotted myself, even in full BG gear/weapons since the update. I don't know if they changed the way BG PvP works, or if its related to BLs.  Its almost like it was back when 90s were infesting T4. I may be moving right next door to you in the retirement vilage. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Well, that, or roll beastlords for new BG alts. They seem to be the new OP BG class. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I believe it's the autoattack being strong and overpowering, as well as the reforging ability, where you can overload on the DPS, by switching stats around.</p></blockquote><p>It must be the Naggy armor they are reforging. I tried to reforge the T4 BG armor and out of a full set of Vellious, and almost a full set of the old stuff, only the bracers on the old set could be reforged.</p>

[Matanzas]

<p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Definitive@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eraya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, I guess believing would make me very pompous or delusional <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I prefer the latter so I guess that makes me insane? But I can say the consistent change in my healing is definitely real. Maybe it is a sign to retire and try something besides templar, or maybe finally get a char to 90? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>There <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>have</em></span> been some changes somewhere, I noticed you were going down much faster then usual. I have been getting 2-shotted myself, even in full BG gear/weapons since the update. I don't know if they changed the way BG PvP works, or if its related to BLs.  Its almost like it was back when 90s were infesting T4. I may be moving right next door to you in the retirement vilage. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Well, that, or roll beastlords for new BG alts. They seem to be the new OP BG class. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I believe it's the autoattack being strong and overpowering, as well as the reforging ability, where you can overload on the DPS, by switching stats around.</p></blockquote><p>It must be the Naggy armor they are reforging. I tried to reforge the T4 BG armor and out of a full set of Vellious, and almost a full set of the old stuff, only the bracers on the old set could be reforged.</p></blockquote><p>The nagafen stuff can be reforged, but it is so little of use it doesn't real make any difference.  In my opinion it is typically better to not mess with reforging the gear.</p>

[Cruelst]

<p>Just for the record... Etaria and Ahnya are a close tie for WW best healer in 39's.....</p><p>-------------------</p><p>Robskin - 39SK</p>