T4 Beastlords

[Splatterpunk28]

<p>Who bets the first BG we are able to get in there will be at least one T4 beastlord in full pvp/bg armor and over 100aa's?  I'm guessing within 2hours there will be a few already maxed out -- aa's, gear, skills and all.  And probably by end of first day there will be one already a 90crafter as well for the character bonuses.</p><p>Post up interesting parses, I won't be around to see how well they do in low levels for a couple of weeks.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>They won't do as well as guardians</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>They won't have many masters. I don't know how they play, but don't they charm mobs or something? If so, good luck with that in gears.</p>

[PhabiusBile]

<p>most of their masters and grandmasters will be achieved through exp not via spell scrolls. This is done by attuning your warder through quest lines and killing. Yeah, new Beastlord golden path kind of quests.</p><p>I think there is a total of about 6-7 spells they will need scrolls for.</p><p>And each warder type gets tamed once in game and you get a summon button for that particular family of animal, and the option to summon an additional type to you default warder. Once in a family type has been tamed it can be summoned anywhere. Also the family type earns exp to improve its aa and abilities. taming another warder in the same family just changes the appearance of the warder you already have.</p><p>plus you dont need LoS to sick your warder on someone and if it starts dying you can recall it to where you are and heal it.</p><p>good luck having 6 taunting pets on you and trying to get out of it plus they have other abilities i think i have seen my warder hit for over 70k in one hit.</p>

[Brigh]

BG still exists?

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yea it does... we had Ganak and Den going all night in T4 last night. Was freakin awesome.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>They just level up their pet spells through killing stuff with the pets.  If they want to master any of their heals/spells/etc they need to buy the masters/find them.</p>

[yohann koldheart]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They won't have many masters. </p></blockquote><p>anyone with rl money can have a bl mastered in 20 mins.</p><p>click spell you want to research and pick it , buy research reducers from the sc market and use them till your spell is finished. should take 5 reducers per master at 90.  so yeah fully mastered bl's wont be uncommon the first week</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Except I thought the research reducers only existed on eq2x.</p>

[yohann koldheart]

<p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Except I thought the research reducers only existed on eq2x.</p></blockquote><p>you didnt get the memo ? </p><p>all servers are eq2x after todays ,  GU ,aod launch, f2p conversion thing .</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They won't have many masters. </p></blockquote><p>anyone with rl money can have a bl mastered in 20 mins.</p><p>click spell you want to research and pick it , buy research reducers from the sc market and use them till your spell is finished. should take 5 reducers per master at 90.  so yeah fully mastered bl's wont be uncommon the first week</p></blockquote><p>I doubt more than 2 or 3 beastlords will actually pay for all of their masters.  After purchasing the experts for them, then they are able to spend 6$ per master to get a master on their beastlord.  I highly doubt the problems will be anywhere near as bad as you expect them to be.  My warlock has 59 abilities including from aa.  Without aa i would guess somewhere between 40 and 50 abilities.  Mastering each of those, would cost 6$ each after buying the experts, so to become fully mastered someone would have to spend between 240 and 300 dollars.  I may be wrong, but i would be rather surprised if even one person spends that much.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>Beastlords have 8 combat arts at lvl 39 and it only costs 150sc per unlocker for that teir. $12 usd or just buy a gamecard from someone with plat... just sayin..</p>

[DHAELUS]

<p>I've only seen one beastlord so far with a few bg pieces of bg gear. The rest have been very poorly geared (I examined one who still had his starter chest piece) and very easy to kill. So I imagine it might be a little while before we see any really decent beastlord players.</p><p>I was in one Gears match were it was 6v6 and about 5 beastlords between us. I thought I was at a zoo with all the animals running around.</p>

[Xiggy]

<p>I dont think you need to worry about T4 Beastlords for a long time. Most of our damage is done responding to pet procs that can't be researched. They required our pets to leveled by quest and grinding. A lvl 30 quest will get you 1 of 12 warders maxed, but all the warders are different and not only do each need to be maxed which will take a week to 10 days each, but you need a lot of AA's to make the warder effective. I don't see the Beastlord being effective in BG's until they have at least 70 AA's or more. I am thinking close to 100, but I have am a bit conservative. I see needing at least 2 pets and maybe 3 maxxed, depending on play style.</p><p>Also, the pets require a lot of AA's to be good as well. Sitting at lvl 39 gives our pets a total of 9 AA's, which is nothing. I think Beastlords will be late bloomers in battlegrouds. They may be tough at lvl 60 or 70, where there pets can have 25 or more aa's through lvling and quests. They will be a good support class in T4, but not dominant. We have very few person skills at lvl 39.</p>

[Broan]

<p>funny, ive seen numerous beastlords pull 150k parses easily. sucks one of em flurried me for more than half my health. op as all get out.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Yea they are kinda OP in T4, but did anyone expect different really? I mean, there's lots of scrubby ones around, but a couple of geared ones all setup... they have a lot of dps and survivabilty.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>yohann koldheart wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They won't have many masters. </p></blockquote><p>anyone with rl money can have a bl mastered in 20 mins.</p><p>click spell you want to research and pick it , buy research reducers from the sc market and use them till your spell is finished. should take 5 reducers per master at 90.  so yeah fully mastered bl's wont be uncommon the first week</p></blockquote><p>4.</p><p>one week reducers x 4 weeks(28 days) = 4 pots per master.</p><p>My estimate came out to about 4200 station cash.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>BLs are retaaaardedly OP in T4... They get 10% pvp crit bonus, up to 40% potency, 10% flurry, group wards, group heals, tons of aoes, an AoE stifle, 28% aoe auto, increase to base auto multiplier, need I say more? I made a T4 Beastlord, got my canine warder to master in 1 day, then deleted him after seeing how stupidly OP they are. Really says something about the type of pvper that would play a beastlord... like sks back in the day...</p>

[Xiggy]

<p>I know I shouldn't  feed the trolls cause they bite, but here goes. If I take any non, healer class and add 100 AA's and fabled gear they will be OP in T4. Most of the fighter classes do as much or more damage than a beastlord and have more gear available and have self heals, knockdowns, life taps etc. Of course as time goes on Beastlords will have plenty of gear. Beastlords are the new kid on the block. Beastlords are flexible, but they do not get 40 percent potentcy buff till they are lvl 80 or 90. At lvl 39, you can only get savagery up to 2. You can't get it to 5 yet. Your stances also are lvl1 and cant be trained up, so the maxxes on all the buffs cant be reached. Also, they get a lot of abilties, but you must pick which ones you want. You can have a multi attack, crit, potentcy buff sure, but 1 of them at a time and they are stance and pet proc dependent. Also, some of the other buffs are AA choices that all other classes get in 1 form or another.  The aoe heal/damage and wards are small wards and small heals and very power draining. </p><p>You max 1 pet and get a flurry spell. Max a second and get a multi attack buff, max a 3rd and get an attack speed buff. All of the take up the same slot, so pick one. You can swap the spells in combat, but you have to right click and change them, but then the buff/debuff is gone and you have gained nothing. If you want to ward, aoe heal, aoe buff and do medeocre DPS, use spirit stance. If you want Tier 1 DPS, you choose a single target Damage pet and feral stance. You have to make choices. Also, the heals and wards require you to attack someone and be in melee range. Class can be kited since they do not get a despell.</p><p>I have seen paladin, monks, bruisers, illusionist, rangers, Shadow Knights, beserkers, Wizards, locks, necros,  in battlegrounds. They are all OP in their own way. Beastlords are just the new kid on the block. When I hit lvl 39 tonight with 2 pets maxxed pets and 43 AA's, I may try battlegrounds. Most of the compaints are hyperbole. They are exagerations.</p><p>Will the class be balanced/nerfed over time? Sure. All classes are adjusted over time.</p>

[Elepian]

<p>I don't seem to have any problems tearing the so called OP beastlords apart on my 39 ranger who only has 42 AA right now.  Guess it REALLY is all in how you play your class.. I also only have my BG bow , thats it , everything else is MC gear and a fabled dagger called Bladewarder.</p>

[Broan]

<p>Beastlords are very dmg high but at the same time squishy af. dont let them get u up close or u are pretty much dead if the BL isnt terribly geared</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Elepian@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't seem to have any problems tearing the so called OP beastlords apart on my 39 ranger who only has 42 AA right now.  Guess it REALLY is all in how you play your class.. I also only have my BG bow , thats it , everything else is MC gear and a fabled dagger called Bladewarder.</p></blockquote><p>There's only like 1 BL in T4 that's geared. So, gratz on killing crappy BLs with your crappy ranger.</p>

[Xiggy]

<p>Well all you do to beat a Beastlord is root his pet and run away from it. Outside 15 meters the pet cant generate a proc, so the beastlord does little damage, no heals, no buffs and is pretty gimped. Also, since most Beastlords wont have 140 AA's and PvP gear they are toast. In the BG's I was in last night each team had 2 zerkers, a monk or buiser or knight, a healer, some kind of ranged and a beastlord. The beast lord spent most of their time running for their lives from the fighters who promply killed them, like they do most all scouts that need to melee. Of course these guys have been lvl locked at 39 for 9 month or more and are maxxed in gear and AA's. I am not saying the fighters are op, just that they have been optimized for BG's.In a few months when you see beastlords with full PvP gear, then we will know how good they are. Also, people will root/mez/stun/snare their pet and make them meat. (Or gasp, kill the pet)</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>I have figured out how to kill beastlords just like I figured out how to kill all classes... that doesn't make them less OP. You keep spewing nonsense about kiting them, rooting their pet, blah blah blah as if it were a 1 on 1 fight. Not sure how many BGs you have done, but... tanks.. taunt... beastlord only needs a few seconds to kill anyone regardless of gear & with their super fast recast AoE stifle, they get it. Also no scout gets 28% aoe auto in their AA lines that can use 2handers. AoE auto only works on your primary. As far as the "they get these abilities if you aa spec them this way" if you actually look at beastlord aa's, it's very VERY obvious how to spec a t4 BL & they all spec the same way. The 10% crit bonus constantly procs passively, and the 10% flurry can be kept up at all times. It lasts 15sec and you can almost recast it at will considering putting aa into your pets weakness ability makes it come up almost anytime you hit anyone... 10% flurry with a 2hander.. as a scout... on top of that no other scout gets increases to base auto attack multiplier like BLs do.. way way wayyy too much for T4.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p>Also it doesn't take months to bg gear a BL as you claim. Dethlokk was in full bg gear the first day. You can buy all weapons and jewelry with BG tokens from an alt & pve armor is better than the outdated faction since the reitemization & now reforging. Not only that but you could just buy the old set, it's only slightly worse.</p>

[Xiggy]

<p>I have all of 18 old tokens, since BGs are not my primary focus when I play eq2. You are taking the positive abilities out of context. I could buy some decent T4 armor and weapons or craft it myself. That doesnt give me 160 AA points or all the pet spells for when you get to grandmaster with each pet. That will take quite a while. And if I am playing BG's, I cant level my pets very quickly. Each pet has 6 levels and it takes about 3 hours per level per pet. The biggest negative and positive is the pet has to be near me, have LOS, and not be stifled, knocked down mezed, stunned or some other status effect or he doesnt process anything and I cant use all these abilities. Playing a class for a few hours will show you a little of the classes potential, but not the entire picture. Beastlords are not pure scouts. The are a hybrid of scout/monk-bruiser and defiler. You are correct in that they have abilities from all classes. They are great fun to play, but there are many other BG classes that are just as good. In 3 months check out what classes are playing in BG's for T4. I will think you will still see it still dominated by fighters. If you look at the entire picture, It is to early to tell what beastlords will be.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>You only need 100 AA in T4, that doesn't take long to get. They were clearly not tested in pvp. In 3 months you will see a ton of them if nothing changes.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Xiggy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have all of 18 old tokens, since BGs are not my primary focus when I play eq2.</p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; color: #800000;"> And some people have thousands of tokens saved or from years of BGs or from when everyone exploited for tokens when the BG merchant was bugged selling them for gold.</span></p><p> You are taking the positive abilities out of context. I could buy some decent T4 armor and weapons or craft it myself. That doesnt give me 160 AA points or all the pet spells for when you get to grandmaster with each pet. That will take quite a while. And if I am playing BG's, I cant level my pets very quickly. Each pet has 6 levels and it takes about 3 hours per level per pet.</p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; color: #800000;">You can get 100 AA in 2hrs or less if you have someone PL your AA which a vast majority of people do. 100AA is the cap for 30-39. Even if you quest it you can get it in less than a week. You mention multiple pets as if you need every pet for BG. You only need one. Going by your time frame it takes 18hrs to max your pet out. In 24hrs or less you can have a completely maxed beastlord.</span> The biggest negative and positive is the pet has to be near me, have LOS, and not be stifled, knocked down mezed, stunned or some other status effect or he doesnt process anything and I cant use all these abilities.</p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; color: #800000;">That really makes me laugh... beastlords have a 3sec stun & 5sec aoe stifle on a 45sec or less reuse timer. They can easily kill you in a few seconds as well as most of your group & you can't rly do anything about it. Instead of speaking on a what if basis try actually doing BGs & seeing all of the geared dpsers that were on top before beastlords came out, players you know & know are good, get out dpsed by beastlords by almost 2 times their damage. Try actually fighting beastlords & see them kill you in seconds regardless of your full BG gear. They have way way far far too much dps in T4, you are only defending them since you play one. I made a beastlord, got him all of his masters, maxed the reptile pet, maxed my aa, got myself some DFC armor & whatever jewelry was on the broker, entered a BG, and did over 100k w/ just gear that was on the broker. At that point I moved my plat into the shared bank & immediately deleted the toon. I want to win based on some sort of skill or pvp knowledge & not just because my class is disgustingly OP. I don't see how anyone can play a BL the way they currently are.</span> Playing a class for a few hours will show you a little of the classes potential, but not the entire picture. Beastlords are not pure scouts. The are a hybrid of scout/monk-bruiser and defiler. You are correct in that they have abilities from all classes. They are great fun to play, but there are many other BG classes that are just as good.</p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; color: #800000;"> Beastlords took all of the positive from the classes you mentioned & none of the negative... completely OP.</span> In 3 months check out what classes are playing in BG's for T4. I will think you will still see it still dominated by fighters. If you look at the entire picture, It is to early to tell what beastlords will be.</p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; color: #800000;">Considering Beastlords can absolutely destroy T4 fighters... I doubt it.</span></p></blockquote><p>Edited typo.</p>

[Matanzas]

<p>I agree with the poster above me.  Beastlords are rather overpowered.  My current t4 toon is a guardian.  Normally, I can take out a majority of people I fight, but the last time I fought a beastlord, even with a healer merc helping me, I got owned. </p><p>The amount of damage we both put out was pretty close to the same, and he had slightly more heals, so I am a little confused as to how he ended with orange hp and I ended dead.  Anyways that doesn't matter.  I still lost.  And against geared people with a healer merc I usually beat them haha.</p>

[Applo]

<p>They are massively OP.  And, yes, they are somewhat squishy, but guess what?  They revive just like everyone else and easily hit over 100K in a T4 gear on a regular basis.  Who else can do that these days with so many that have been locked and maxed out mitigating a huge amount of any dmg you can do?  A rare warlock and an extremely rare SK if the opposite team has healers and are all mostly squishy.  That's all.</p><p>Also, there is more than just 1 outfitted BL in T4; I saw three the first day I got a BG after AoD; granted it was a few days later.  There's a full group that D O O M brings out occasionally -- all BL in full pvp sets.  I've seen 3 with the discord faction PvP sets alone, not just the old BG sets anyone with extra tokens can buy on a scout alt.</p><p>And I made my own BL just to see what it's like.  Took 3hours to get 39/100AA's, skills maxed out, spells at least expert, full pvp set and a grandmastered pet.  And I did 138k dmg on my 3rd BG.  And, honestly, I was just mashing buttons; I'm not even close to realizing their full potential in T4.  That's OP.</p>

[DHAELUS]

<p>Normally I roll my eyes when I see someone complain how something needs to be nerfed. That is until on a whim I decided to play my guardian in T4 who has a mix of mastercrafted/bg gear and I've seen a beastlord kill me within a few seconds. </p><p>While my guardian is far from the best, I've fought against fully bg-geared berserkers and shadowknights who couldn't do that.</p>

[ShadowMunkie]

<p><cite>Dhaelus@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Normally I roll my eyes when I see someone complain how something needs to be nerfed. That is until on a whim I decided to play my guardian in T4 who has a mix of mastercrafted/bg gear and I've seen a beastlord kill me within a few seconds. </p><p>While my guardian is far from the best, I've fought against fully bg-geared berserkers and shadowknights who couldn't do that.</p></blockquote><p>Primals--These abilities require savagery to cast but, are very powerful. They can't one shot people but, they can take a good chunk of health from someone for a large price of savagery.</p><p>Overall the beastlord is far from perfect but, its far from being overpowered. Its actually in line with some of the top tier dps across all levels. The trick to beating a beastlord is to take its pet out before the beastlord can build savagery once that is done beastlords are dead in the water. How do I know? I play a T4 beastlord and die almost as much as I kill (solo), with groups I'm pretty unstoppable.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Senkai@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dhaelus@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Normally I roll my eyes when I see someone complain how something needs to be nerfed. That is until on a whim I decided to play my guardian in T4 who has a mix of mastercrafted/bg gear and I've seen a beastlord kill me within a few seconds. </p><p>While my guardian is far from the best, I've fought against fully bg-geared berserkers and shadowknights who couldn't do that.</p></blockquote><p>Primals--These abilities require savagery to cast but, are very powerful. They can't one shot people but, they can take a good chunk of health from someone for a large price of savagery.</p><p>Overall the beastlord is far from perfect but, its far from being overpowered. Its actually in line with some of the top tier dps across all levels. The trick to beating a beastlord is to take its pet out before the beastlord can build savagery once that is done beastlords are dead in the water. How do I know? I play a T4 beastlord and die almost as much as I kill (solo), with groups I'm pretty unstoppable.</p></blockquote><p>ROFL @ someone who plays a Yeastlord trying to talk down how OP they are. To clarify what he is saying since he tried to talk it down is: Beastlords can aa spec their pet to improve their weakness ability. By doing this thepet pretty much throws up this weakness ability pretty much every second. While weakness is up you can use one of 4 abilities including a 10 flurry temp buff that lasts 17 seconds and can be recast instantly so it is ALWAYS up. The abilities you can pick from depend on which pet you have out. For the canine pet I had out before I deleted my yeastlord due to how stupidly OP they are I could hit someone with an ability that did over 1k dmg in pvp and increased potency by 20%. Then 1 auto attack later my pet threw up another weakness and I use an ability that hits about 1.3k in pvp with the potency increase from the first one. After using 2 of them I now have the savagery to use primals and I can chain on top of those 2 massive hits another ability that does like 1.7k+ in pvp. I could also pick from aoe nukes and all sorts of other OP crap I was just giving an example. Basically you can chain a bunch of abilities back to back to back that deal a crap load of damage. That's on top of the increase to base auto attack multiplier from the STR aa line, 28% aoe auto attack from the INT aa line and the ability to use 2handers that hit retardedly hard. On top of that you have abilities that revive your pet instantly when it dies and crap. As if that wasn't OP enough, if you look at the beastlords actual combat art set, their combat arts hit for 2x or more than that of any scout in T4. They also get a 3sec stune and then a 5sec aoe stifle so can keep you unable to do anything for 8seconds, more than enough time to kill you and most of your team.</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Was considering parking my Guard at 39 to see if anyone even played BGs anymore, but it sounds like it's gonna be dominated by an op scout. Lame. But by the sounds of it people use mercs in BGs anyway so that kinda defeats the entire purpose to BG. Oh well.</p>

[DHAELUS]

<p>I've not seen a single merc in battlegrounds.</p>

[V-I-I-I-X-I-I-V]

<p><cite>Meube@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was considering parking my Guard at 39 to see if anyone even played BGs anymore, but it sounds like it's gonna be dominated by an op scout. Lame. But by the sounds of it people use mercs in BGs anyway so that kinda defeats the entire purpose to BG. Oh well.</p></blockquote><p>Mercs are enabled in pvp on nagafen but NOT in battlegrounds.</p><p>T4 BGs are still extremely fun & beastlords are very much so killable regardless of how OP they are. Hope to see ya out there!</p>