Reforging changes needed to be a viable feature

[urgthock]

<p>Please make the following changes to reforging so that it will actually be a viable feature that is worthy of the amount of money you are asking for it.</p><p>1) Allow us to convert one stat to another stat that already exists on an item.</p><p>2) Allow us to move all (not just 40%) of one stat to another stat. You can even keep the 10% penalty.</p><p>This will allow for maximum flexibility from the system.</p>

[Geothe]

<p>players should not be penalized in anyway when they have to correct itemization issues that result from Dev ignorance.</p><p>There should be no penalties with reforging.There should be no restrictions with reforging.</p><p>Just add a signifcant cost for "extreme" changes.  This game needs waaaaaaaay more plat sinks anyways.</p>

[jjlo69]

<p>will there be enough ppl getting aod for it to matter</p>

[Piinks-Naveh]

I dont understand why reforging incurs a penalty either. if you wanted you could use lore to say reforging IMPROVES base items(or even maintains), instead of has loss of quality. i see no gameplay or necessary lore reason to have penalty. if inq want multiattack instead of spellautoattack, let them. can anyone say a legitimate reason to limit players options in this dept? i was excited about reforging, now its just fluff and a way to make your gear worse. proper accessorizing is superior to degrading mixmatched into appropriate stats. this in no way puts itemization burden on players. devs still have to make items right since players cant fix them. the concept of having a high quality raw material and turning it into a specialized weapon is not a novel idea. its what aspect of war, bloodied remnant of rage, etc ARE ALL ABOUT! reforging is the same idea. in fact reforging is MORE flexible in that you can revert item back to original state and its quality returns, and is usable as raw for new weapon.

[Ragnaphore]

<p><cite>Uncle@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will there be enough ppl getting aod for it to matter</p></blockquote><p>+1.</p><p>More seriously, the 40% which was quoted from a very, very early Beta post is wrong, it's 80% (for ex. an item with +190 ability mod. will keep +38 ability mod. and whatever stat you choose to reforge) </p>

[Gungo]

<p>You should be able to change 1 blue and 1 white stat. You should be able to COMPLETELY remove a stat. <- This is a big one alot of player may not want AOE auto atk at all as a static gear stat.</p>

[ShadowMunkie]

<p><cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You should be able to change 1 blue and 1 white stat. You should be able to COMPLETELY remove a stat. <- This is a big one alot of player may not want AOE auto atk at all as a static gear stat.</p></blockquote><p>Go to your class trainer and get a spell that completely nullifies AoE auto attack. Its "Until Canceled" and puts your Auto Attack AOE down to -1000%. Problem was already solved.</p>

[SisterTheresa]

<p>I was thinking ...</p><p>Perhaps allow us to be able to remove one stat and add one for a price comparative to the amount of the stat with a cap of your level.</p><p>Meaning:</p><p>I'm a level 90 Guardian.</p><p>I got myself a really nice spear I like with +90 STR +75 WIS but I want to remove the WIS as I don't use it.</p><p>I would pay 90 plat to have the WIS removed and +90 STA added instead.</p><p>Would be a good money sink for all those plat people say they have loads of.</p><p>But it would have to be something that can happen only maybe once every 7 days or month.</p><p>Same thing could be done with changing adorn slots or additional affects like MA and Casting Speed.</p>

[Ratman12345]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>players should not be penalized in anyway when they have to correct itemization issues that result from Dev ignorance.</p><p>There should be no penalties with reforging.There should be no restrictions with reforging.</p><p>Just add a signifcant cost for "extreme" changes.  This game needs waaaaaaaay more plat sinks anyways.</p></blockquote><p>This ^^^</p><p>I was super excited about reforging i picked up the xpan for it so i could do it and then i find out its so dang limited on what i can take away and add....</p><p>sort of a waste of money, but hey least i can roll BL if i ever want too =/</p><p>We need to start a petition having restrictions removed and letting us put any stat on it that we want and take away as much as we want, the cost to complete it can be higher but it would be worth it imo.</p><p>Who else is with me?</p>

[Asif]

<p><cite>Ratman12345 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>players should not be penalized in anyway when they have to correct itemization issues that result from Dev ignorance.</p><p>There should be no penalties with reforging.There should be no restrictions with reforging.</p><p>Just add a signifcant cost for "extreme" changes.  This game needs waaaaaaaay more plat sinks anyways.</p></blockquote><p>This ^^^</p><p>I was super excited about reforging i picked up the xpan for it so i could do it and then i find out its so dang limited on what i can take away and add....</p><p>sort of a waste of money, but hey least i can roll BL if i ever want too =/</p><p>We need to start a petition having restrictions removed and letting us put any stat on it that we want and take away as much as we want, the cost to complete it can be higher but it would be worth it imo.</p><p>Who else is with me?</p></blockquote><p>I am with you but do keep the cost resonable, not like 90 plat to move 90 wisdom thats just to steep .</p><p>Lets remember not everyone has tons of plat in this game !! ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[thewarriorpoet]

<p>I wonder if the restrictions (which feel almost arbitrary) are due to technical programming issues (like it cannot be done with the system or time to develope) rather then balance issues. Frankly I lean towards some technical reason as this has always felt like a way for them to lower the priority on fixing itemization.</p>

[Khurghan]

<p>Unless all the brawler/beastlord loot is redo there needs to be a fair amount of limitation with what can be done with white stats, allowing all their 3 stat items to have the stats bumped around without restriction would be seriously unbalancing.</p>

[Ratman12345]

<p>White stats might be to much to balance due to the brawler/BL loot becoming to strong, but in reguards to the blue stats i.e. CB Pot Reuse MA Flurry ect ect... All of it should be allowed to be fully removed or added (at a 80-90% return rate so its sorta balanced).</p><p>Cost wise, it should be a reasonible and fair amount, im not going to throw any numbers just cause it wouldnt help any, this whole petition should be about allowing more stats to be taken and given to items and how much of said stat we are allowed to take and add.</p><p>Lets try to keep this thread on this kind of positive track, and hope we get a responce from the big guys in Red if this keeps up going well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Fitz]

Critical chance would be nice to reforge. It's a valuable stat...

[Ratman12345]

<p>Yes but it is also very easy to get, would like to see that go in as well since it is a blue stat and all blue stats should be allowed to be reforged into other or more of the same blue stats.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Fitz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Critical chance would be nice to reforge. It's a valuable stat...</blockquote><p>That's why you can't do it. lol</p>

[Noviets]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>players should not be penalized in anyway when they have to correct itemization issues that result from Dev ignorance.</p><p>There should be no penalties with reforging.There should be no restrictions with reforging.</p><p>Just add a signifcant cost for "extreme" changes.  This game needs waaaaaaaay more plat sinks anyways.</p></blockquote><p>THIS</p><p>Reforging is a total waste when you cant even remove a useless stat off it. Especially when you can't even forge in into one that you want.</p><p>For a caster, what do we get?No Potency, No Crit-Bonus, No Crit-Chance, No Spell-Double, Need I continue?</p><p>The only thing I can see casters ever using is Ability Mod and HP. Or is this to be "Patch" in the future like the rest of this expac? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Also, the majourity of the "Fluff" Illusions are either identical or don't show at all. Im guessing thats a high priority fix as thats most likely the only reason people will use the feature.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Noviets wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>players should not be penalized in anyway when they have to correct itemization issues that result from Dev ignorance.</p><p>There should be no penalties with reforging.There should be no restrictions with reforging.</p><p>Just add a signifcant cost for "extreme" changes.  This game needs waaaaaaaay more plat sinks anyways.</p></blockquote><p>THIS</p><p>Reforging is a total waste when you cant even remove a useless stat off it. Especially when you can't even forge in into one that you want.</p><p>For a caster, what do we get?No Potency, No Crit-Bonus, No Crit-Chance, No Spell-Double, Need I continue?</p><p>The only thing I can see casters ever using is Ability Mod and HP. Or is this to be "Patch" in the future like the rest of this expac? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Also, the majourity of the "Fluff" Illusions are either identical or don't show at all. Im guessing thats a high priority fix as thats most likely the only reason people will use the feature.</p></blockquote><p>IDK.. I know I swapped a bunch of dps mod to MA on my dirge since SOE seems to think that we don't need it on Drunder gear.</p><p>If you're not seeing the particles you have them turned too far down. I see em plain as day.</p>

[Noviets]

<p>I run on High Quality with all Particles on Maximum, but I have been having alot of problems with the game recently, like teleporting mobs etc. So idk...</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Noviets wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I run on High Quality with all Particles on Maximum, but I have been having alot of problems with the game recently, like teleporting mobs etc. So idk...</p></blockquote><p>I think everyone's been having issues with teleporting mobs for years at some point.</p><p>I also think that if the weapon you're putting particles on has particles already it might be harder to discern. Like when I preview one on my dirge, the lower quality effects get slightly drowned out by the particle on my ennervated epic that I keep in mainhand appearance.</p>

[alabama]

<p>can we get the option to erase the particle effects on the stuff by adding a new one of those particle effects thingers while reforging the gear. i dont want more effects i wanna take the ones i have now off.</p>

[Gaftep]

<p><cite>alabama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>can we get the option to erase the particle effects on the stuff by adding a new one of those particle effects thingers while reforging the gear. i dont want more effects i wanna take the ones i have now off.</p></blockquote><p>You can revert an item (undo stats or particle) at the reforger.</p><p>I know there are probably many reasons why we can't...but could we in the future maybe ever see ALL items available for particle effect forging? I have some crafted appearance gear items (Like the new Candy-Cane Sword) that would look EPIC with the frost effect on them.</p>

[Davngr1]

<p>please add crit chance to the reforger.  it's common enough to not be overpowerd but important enough to offer great flexibility in gear/aa choices.</p>

[Armawk]

<p>I can only ever reforge the first stat in the list.. the dropdown for source stat just never has more than one stat in it. Am I missing something here?</p>