XP Exploit / Insta-Mob repop / AFK XP ::: DEV RESPONSE REQ!

[Gemo]

<p>These are a few of the /petitions I've sent in. If you have something to add to the topic please do, everything else can be saved for another day or posted another place. Thanks!</p>

[Gemo]

<p>If you're not willing to take out the offending mobs or fix the zone, I can come to no other conclusion that you, SoE, and the Devs are not worried about the problem and have no intentions of fixing it. This isnt a new zone, it's one of the original. Please Fix the zone, so mobs dont insta-repop, think 12-15 sec MAYBE, or if you dont, then you do not care about any of the issues. I cant prove that anybody did it, but I can prove that you're allowing it by not fixing the main problem. Can ya hear me now? These /petitions will continue untill i'm satisfied with your views on how you feel about the problem and the solution you take to fix it are one in the same. I've gotten over my self issues in this problem and now it's all directed at you. You're the onesallowing the crime to happen and should therefor be put in the same catagory as those who would exploit it. You say you cant do anything about them cheating, but you can do something about allowing the cheating/exploit  to continue and I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix.</p>

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[Gaarysal]

<p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you're not willing to take out the offending mobs or fix the zone, I can come to no other conclusion that you, SoE, and the Devs are not worried about the problem and have no intentions of fixing it. This isnt a new zone, it's one of the original. Please Fix the zone, so mobs dont insta-repop, think 12-15 sec MAYBE, or if you dont, then you do not care about any of the issues. I cant prove that anybody did it, but I can prove that you're allowing it by not fixing the main problem. Can ya hear me now? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>These /petitions will continue untill i'm satisfied with your views on how you feel about the problem and the solution you take to fix it are one in the same.</strong></span> I've gotten over my self issues in this problem and now it's all directed at you. You're the onesallowing the crime to happen and should therefor be put in the same catagory as those who would exploit it. You say you cant do anything about them cheating, but you can do something about allowing the cheating/exploit  to continue and I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix.</p></blockquote><p>So now you are blackmailing the GMs? good thread bro... inc another lock!</p>

[Gemo]

<p><cite>Gaarysal@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you're not willing to take out the offending mobs or fix the zone, I can come to no other conclusion that you, SoE, and the Devs are not worried about the problem and have no intentions of fixing it. This isnt a new zone, it's one of the original. Please Fix the zone, so mobs dont insta-repop, think 12-15 sec MAYBE, or if you dont, then you do not care about any of the issues. I cant prove that anybody did it, but I can prove that you're allowing it by not fixing the main problem. Can ya hear me now? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>These /petitions will continue untill i'm satisfied with your views on how you feel about the problem and the solution you take to fix it are one in the same.</strong></span> I've gotten over my self issues in this problem and now it's all directed at you. You're the onesallowing the crime to happen and should therefor be put in the same catagory as those who would exploit it. You say you cant do anything about them cheating, but you can do something about allowing the cheating/exploit  to continue and I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix.</p></blockquote><p>So now you are blackmailing the GMs? good thread bro... inc another lock!</p></blockquote><p>Huge threat, I'm sure they really care how many /petitions i send, and If i could post their responce to it, it would have included that, send in as many /petitions as I want.</p><p>Next off topic responce pls?</p>

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[Gemo]

<p><cite>Gaarysal@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you're not willing to take out the offending mobs or fix the zone, I can come to no other conclusion that you, SoE, and the Devs are not worried about the problem and have no intentions of fixing it. This isnt a new zone, it's one of the original. Please Fix the zone, so mobs dont insta-repop, think 12-15 sec MAYBE, or if you dont, then you do not care about any of the issues. I cant prove that anybody did it, but I can prove that you're allowing it by not fixing the main problem. Can ya hear me now? <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>These /petitions will continue untill i'm satisfied with your views on how you feel about the problem and the solution you take to fix it are one in the same.</strong></span> I've gotten over my self issues in this problem and now it's all directed at you. You're the onesallowing the crime to happen and should therefor be put in the same catagory as those who would exploit it. You say you cant do anything about them cheating, but you can do something about allowing the cheating/exploit  to continue and I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix.</p></blockquote><p>So now you are blackmailing the GMs? good thread bro... inc another lock!</p></blockquote><p>"We aren't able to tell you what the results of our investigation are or what action has been taken. But I can assure you that we dolook into each and every report we receive about suspicious activity. This is why it's really important to /petition when you suspect that a player is exploiting in some way, even (especially) if it's a player who you've reported in the past. It's important to keep in mind the punishments that I outlined above. Just because you see a player in-game later on doesn't mean that we haven't looked into it and punished them in some ways. They may still be at a lower end of the punishment scale at that point. We simply don't have the manpower to follow around everyone who has ever been reported for a violation, so we rely heavily on the help of players to report to us when people exploit." Anon GM. </p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you attacking me? You dont care about the issue, but you need to make a point to make fun of me for some reason? What are your issues again? How are you not out of line for making fun of a total stranger on the internet who's trying to get an exploit fixed?</p></blockquote><p>You said: "<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix."</span></strong></p><p>As part of the community I am telling you I (we) don't care.  Some might but most of us don't care what other people do on their own time if it does not affect us.  People PL toons does not affect me other than to make me chuckle at the dorfs paying outrages prices to level a toon that can easily be leveled solo in near the same amount of time.</p><p>Your rage at this issue makes me chuckle too.  I feel all warm and fuzzy inside right now.</p>

[Gemo]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why are you attacking me? You dont care about the issue, but you need to make a point to make fun of me for some reason? What are your issues again? How are you not out of line for making fun of a total stranger on the internet who's trying to get an exploit fixed?</p></blockquote><p>You said: "<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I'll be taking any/all  actions appropreate to end this practice and making the community aware of the problem that you dont seem to want to or be able to fix."</span></strong></p><p>As part of the community I am telling you I (we) don't care.  Some might but most of us don't care what other people do on their own time if it does not affect us.  People PL toons does not affect me other than to make me chuckle at the dorfs paying outrages prices to level a toon that can easily be leveled solo in near the same amount of time.</p><p>Your rage at this issue makes me chuckle too.  I feel all warm and fuzzy inside right now.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, we're all a part of the community, You, and I and alot of other people. Unless you somehow speak for the rest of the community, not sure I see your point. Say your peace about the subject and move on.</p>

[Rijacki]

<p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Prolly not something important to ya'll but, Is there any chance you could fix the exploit in Bloodskull Valley: Maulic's Stronghold? Ya gotta know its going on, do ya not care or? People setup overnight and just keep their pet or whatever to get XP for them. I've worked pretty hard and over a long period of time to get 775k NPC kills, and to look at the number 1 WW (Devastatore) with almost 4 Million (Four Million) NPC kills and started playing Mar 22, 2011. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FIX THIS!</p><p>and no, i'm not jelous of somebody cheating.</p></blockquote><p>Nothing is fixed instantly. Posting a series of complaints in the same thread and complaining in the crafting chat channel on AB all within the space of a few minutes isn't going to get a dev response or an instant fix. In fact, calling the devs out in your subject is against the forum rules. I know you're trying to get an exploit addressed, but you're going about it pretty much the wrong way.</p><p>A petition, a PM with details, all while being polite and not issuing ultimatums can yield a lot more results than breaking the rules yourself.</p>

[Gemo]

<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Prolly not something important to ya'll but, Is there any chance you could fix the exploit in Bloodskull Valley: Maulic's Stronghold? Ya gotta know its going on, do ya not care or? People setup overnight and just keep their pet or whatever to get XP for them. I've worked pretty hard and over a long period of time to get 775k NPC kills, and to look at the number 1 WW (Devastatore) with almost 4 Million (Four Million) NPC kills and started playing Mar 22, 2011. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FIX THIS!</p><p>and no, i'm not jelous of somebody cheating.</p></blockquote><p>Nothing is fixed instantly. Posting a series of complaints in the same thread and complaining in the crafting chat channel on AB all within the space of a few minutes isn't going to get a dev response or an instant fix. In fact, calling the devs out in your subject is against the forum rules. I know you're trying to get an exploit addressed, but you're going about it pretty much the wrong way.</p><p>A petition, a PM with details, all while being polite and not issuing ultimatums can yield a lot more results than breaking the rules yourself.</p></blockquote><p>I was told, after a few petitions, to post on the boards, and that's what i'm doing. I cant post the responces to those /petitions and I am well aware that its not gonna get fixed instantly. So I should just sit back and let it go on without knowing if the Devs even know? How hard would it be for them to say we're looking into it? And I'm not calling them out, just because I've asked for a responce from them in no way calls them out. I'd like to know their feelings about it and for that matter my community of friends in the crafting channel on AB.</p>

[The_Cheeseman]

<p>Really? You re-posted the exact same thread and you still misspelled "Response" in the subject?</p><p>Listen, there comes a point when a responsible, mature adult just has to come to grips with the fact that they have done everything within their power to police their fellow citizens, and trust in the real authorities to handle things properly. The CS staff has protocol that they are required to follow, that protocol was put in place to ensure that every player gets fair and equal treatment. The CS staff is not under any obligation to keep you informed of their actions, the results of their investigations, or any other matters which are simply none of your business.</p><p>The dev team has a lot on their plates right now. There is an expansion going into public Beta soon, they have several major content updates coming down the pipe, and there are still numerous significant issues that need to be addressed on the Live servers. They simply don't have time to go nerf some instanced exp-farm that pretty much everybody has known about since launch and nobody ever gave a darn about until you decided to make it your personal crusade.</p><p>I understand that you don't like people exploiting the game for their own gain. I can even sort of understand how you'd feel like you are in some form of competition with them for achievements such as most NPC kills, and how exploits like this marginalize your success. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to abuse the CS staff as if it is somehow their fault that there are ways to cheat in EQ2. Guess what, there are lots of exploits in EQ2. I know of several off the top of my head, some of which are so convoluted and innocuous that they probably won't bother to fix them. I don't feel the need to harass the CS staff--the people who do their best to keep EQ2 a fun and civilized environment--until every one of these exploits are fixed. I fulfill my responsibility as a mature adult and refrain from using said exploits, or telling others how to duplicate them.</p><p>Bottom line is this: unattended leveling in a private instance is pretty much the speeding ticket of exploits. It's a victimless crime, tons of people have done it, and usually the worst punishment is realizing that you've gone out of your way to actively avoid actually playing the game. Yeah, it is important for players to report it so that it doesn't become widespread, but at the end of the day, you just have to realize that it's never going to be a top-priority issue. If you're allowing yourself to get this upset over such a trivial matter, I honestly suggest that you step back and re-evaluate your priorities.</p>

[Gemo]

<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Really? You re-posted the exact same thread and you still misspelled "Response" in the subject?</p><p>Listen, there comes a point when a responsible, mature adult just has to come to grips with the fact that they have done everything within their power to police their fellow citizens, and trust in the real authorities to handle things properly. The CS staff has protocol that they are required to follow, that protocol was put in place to ensure that every player gets fair and equal treatment. The CS staff is not under any obligation to keep you informed of their actions, the results of their investigations, or any other matters which are simply none of your business.</p><p>The dev team has a lot on their plates right now. There is an expansion going into public Beta soon, they have several major content updates coming down the pipe, and there are still numerous significant issues that need to be addressed on the Live servers. They simply don't have time to go nerf some instanced exp-farm that pretty much everybody has known about since launch and nobody ever gave a darn about until you decided to make it your personal crusade.</p><p>I understand that you don't like people exploiting the game for their own gain. I can even sort of understand how you'd feel like you are in some form of competition with them for achievements such as most NPC kills, and how exploits like this marginalize your success. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to abuse the CS staff as if it is somehow their fault that there are ways to cheat in EQ2. Guess what, there are lots of exploits in EQ2. I know of several off the top of my head, some of which are so convoluted and innocuous that they probably won't bother to fix them. I don't feel the need to harass the CS staff--the people who do their best to keep EQ2 a fun and civilized environment--until every one of these exploits are fixed. I fulfill my responsibility as a mature adult and refrain from using said exploits, or telling others how to duplicate them.</p><p>Bottom line is this: unattended leveling in a private instance is pretty much the speeding ticket of exploits. It's a victimless crime, tons of people have done it, and usually the worst punishment is realizing that you've gone out of your way to actively avoid actually playing the game. Yeah, it is important for players to report it so that it doesn't become widespread, but at the end of the day, you just have to realize that it's never going to be a top-priority issue. If you're allowing yourself to get this upset over such a trivial matter, I honestly suggest that you step back and re-evaluate your priorities.</p></blockquote><p>My spelling has nothing to do with the subject. Why does everybody keep thinking I'm upset for some reason? Just because I have an objection with something in the game? I'm not sure how i'm abusing the CS staff either. If they are there to help, isn't that what i'm asking for? Stop trying to convince me that its wrong to stop people from exploiting. Just say how you feel about it and move on. I appreaciate your input in the matter, but you're not gonna stop me from trying to get the exploit stopped because of anything you listed. What I dont understand above all else is, how it's a problem for you that I try to get it fixed. I can promice you and everybody else here that, I'm in no way upset. Should I give ya a smiley to help make that point? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[feldon30]

<p>Is it really an exploit if it's not hurting anyone or disrupting anyone else's gameplay?The problem with stopping all the XP "exploits" in instance zones like Firemyst Gully, Chelsith, BSV (I knew about this a few months ago, so what?), etc. is that it just forces everyone into contested dungeons which is EXTREMELY disruptive to everyone.</p><p>Some people want to go from level 1 to level 90 with 300AAs as fast as possible. Since the level cap isn't going to be raised for the next TWO years, and the AA cap is probably only going to go up by 25 points next month with no new AAs to spend them on (most people will use them for tradeskills), does it really give anyone an unfair advantage or disadvantage to allow fast leveling/AAs?</p><p>"<em>Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?</em>" -- <strong>Matthew 7:3</strong></p>

[Eugam]

<p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> What I dont understand above all else is, how it's a problem for you that I try to get it fixed. I can promice you and everybody else here that, I'm in no way upset. Should I give ya a smiley to help make that point? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This happens since forever. The real problem is that usually its getting worse after a fix. Worse for all, not only for those perma-farming xp. If i remember well such a fix is the reason why low level chars cant contribute low tier status items to the guild. Or why certain quest items are no-trade now. I might be wrong, but some of the runes in Living Tomb are no-trade since summoners could perma farm groups of mobs in a safe corner with their pet.</p><p>As long as they do not farm quest or writ mobs i would not bother. Its their experience they are messing with, not mine or yours.</p><p>Wait till SW:TOR is released. Almost only fans of EQ2 will remain.</p>

[ObsidianNightmare]

<p><cite>Eugam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gemo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> What I dont understand above all else is, how it's a problem for you that I try to get it fixed. I can promice you and everybody else here that, I'm in no way upset. Should I give ya a smiley to help make that point? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This happens since forever. The real problem is that usually its getting worse after a fix. Worse for all, not only for those perma-farming xp. If i remember well such a fix is the reason why low level chars cant contribute low tier status items to the guild. Or why certain quest items are no-trade now. I might be wrong, but some of the runes in Living Tomb are no-trade since summoners could perma farm groups of mobs in a safe corner with their pet.</p><p>As long as they do not farm quest or writ mobs i would not bother. Its their experience they are messing with, not mine or yours.</p><p>Wait till SW:TOR is released. Almost only fans of EQ2 will remain.</p></blockquote><p>+1 to this and also the other well expressed comment from The_Cheeseman.</p><p>Look at all the past fixes to "XP" or quest item farms. It is very true that the "fixes" to these problems usually put someone doing the content in a normal way at a disadvantage or at least an inconvenience with hiccups to existing game mechanics (think of the (dis)functionality of the quest items in The Hole).  If you aren't aware of these kind of reprecussions than look at past history in these forums. Also they way you have titled your subject and also the tone is quite hostile and violating forum etiquite. </p><p>These zones have been in play with taking advantage of their ease of XP gains since they were put in game (BSV since 2004). While I don't condone the AFK activity you are accusing people of, I do know that people flip a movie on and go about a repetitive action and that is the way THEY like to play the game on THEIR time.</p><p>I think of these kind of zones as a good thing because they allow people who do this activity to remain in their own section of the game while contested zones are less cluttered with them. It is not an activity that is localized to EQ2 and I really can't think of an MMO out there that does not have zones that people take advantage of in this manner.  The more SOE has cracked down on xp farming, the more cluttered the contested areas become with that monotony. This is a disadvantage to those who want to run through 1 time for AA or get actual questing done.  As these zones are nerfed to dissuade farm activity the consequences of that nerf make the zone less appealing to revisit for fun.</p><p>Of course if Dev's thought out the "fix" a little further than maybe it wouldn't be so terrible but past history shows that there are quite a few times where the consequenses outwiegh the orignial cons to the "exploit"</p><p>Just my 2cp.. I think that you're overreacting and your energies could be put into a better crusade.</p>

[MrWolfie]

<p><cite>Eugam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait till SW:TOR is released. Almost only fans of EQ2 will remain.</p></blockquote><p>Hey! I am a fan of EQ2, but you must be insane if you think I'm not leaving to try SW:TOR...</p>

[feldon30]

<p><cite>Eugam wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>If i remember well such a fix is the reason why low level chars cant contribute low tier status items to the guild.</blockquote><p>Devs caught wind that guilds had been stockpiling status items for when the guild level cap went up from 70 to 80. They were going to turn in thousands of items and ding 80 guild level within minutes of the expac launching.</p>

[SOE-MOD-02]

<p>Please send in a /bug so that the developers can get this fixed.  </p>