ETA on Dungeon Finder?

[salty21db]

<p>^</p>

[Koleg]

<p>^^</p>

[Onorem]

<p>Hopefully not before it's working as intended. Please don't push for new features to be released before they are ready.</p>

[Kenazeer]

<p>Depends on whose definition you go by. If updates were steak, SOE likes theirs saignant or bleu. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopefully not before it's working as intended. Please don't push for new features to be released before they are ready.</p></blockquote><p>In my topic i simply asked for an ETA....didnt ask for it be out right now.  With the bugs they have fixed and the bugs they know of and the addons they want to add they should have a rough estimate by now.  All im asking.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopefully not before it's working as intended. Please don't push for new features to be released before they are ready.</p></blockquote><p>In my topic i simply asked for an ETA....didnt ask for it be out right now.  With the bugs they have fixed and the bugs they know of and the addons they want to add they should have a rough estimate by now.  All im asking.</p></blockquote><p>Yep and it was a valid question; one I would like to know the answer to as well.  Many on these forums like to jump to conclusions and pretend they know whats going on.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopefully not before it's working as intended. Please don't push for new features to be released before they are ready.</p></blockquote><p>In my topic i simply asked for an ETA....didnt ask for it be out right now.  With the bugs they have fixed and the bugs they know of and the addons they want to add they should have a rough estimate by now.  All im asking.</p></blockquote><p>Yep and it was a valid question; one I would like to know the answer to as well.  <strong>Many on these forums like to jump to conclusions and pretend they know whats going on.</strong></p></blockquote><p>Or they allow past experiences to shape their opinions of the future like every single educated person that ever lived.</p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Onorem wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopefully not before it's working as intended. Please don't push for new features to be released before they are ready.</p></blockquote><p>In my topic i simply asked for an ETA....didnt ask for it be out right now.  With the bugs they have fixed and the bugs they know of and the addons they want to add they should have a rough estimate by now.  All im asking.</p></blockquote><p>Yep and it was a valid question; one I would like to know the answer to as well.  <strong>Many on these forums like to jump to conclusions and pretend they know whats going on.</strong></p></blockquote><p>Or they allow past experiences to shape their opinions of the future like every single educated person that ever lived.</p></blockquote><p>I know this thread is being derailed but I have to respond to this.  An intellectual person allows their opinions to be swayed by the past and therefore make assumptions on the future? lol.  Since when is it smart to assume?</p>

[Banditman]

<p>It's just another way of saying "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" or whatever version of that you wish to adhere to.</p><p>In short, we have 7+ years of history upon which to base our estimations of what the future will hold.  Those seven years have been filled with ann overwhelming list of features, content and changes that have been pushed out before they are really ready, and most of us have come to expect the same from future content.</p><p>Dungeon Finder will be no different.  SOE feels the pressure to get it done, but history tells us that they will push it out buggy and incomplete.  They've already said it won't be cross server - making it completely useless in my opinion.  We are already able to form groups without it.  I've already reserved the right to say "I told you so" when this thing crashes and burns.</p>

[Ruut Li]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's just another way of saying "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" or whatever version of that you wish to adhere to.</p><p>In short, we have 7+ years of history upon which to base our estimations of what the future will hold.  Those seven years have been filled with ann overwhelming list of features, content and changes that have been pushed out before they are really ready, and most of us have come to expect the same from future content.</p><p>Dungeon Finder will be no different.  SOE feels the pressure to get it done, but history tells us that they will push it out buggy and incomplete.  <strong><span style="font-size: small;">They've already said it won't be cross server - making it completely useless in my opinion.</span></strong>  We are already able to form groups without it.  I've already reserved the right to say "I told you so" when this thing crashes and burns.</p></blockquote><p>They are wasting time on a <strong>non</strong> cross server dungeon finder!??? Why bother!? Thats just unbelievable <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> Guess a useful cross server tool simply cost too much dev time and will net too little money compared to filling the sc market with awesome fluff. /suggestion put a cross server dungeon finder on sc market and label it fluff. Im desperate!</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Preachin' to the choir man.  I offered that feedback immediately when I heard DF wasn't going to be cross server.  My concerns were dismissed.</p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Preachin' to the choir man.  I offered that feedback immediately when I heard DF wasn't going to be cross server.  My concerns were dismissed.</p></blockquote><p>And it's already been stated that cross server would be looked at a bit after release.  I love the positive attitude on this forum lol.</p><p>Again I simply asked for an ETA on the DF...not a discussion on its merit.</p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am sure this will get lost, but here goes anyway so I can come back later and say "I told you so".</p><p>If this feature launches, and is not cross server, it will fail miserably.  Honestly, they should simply NOT LAUNCH this feature until cross server is part of the equation.</p><p>We already have a LFG tool that works on our home server.  How much does that get used?  Yea . . . I know.  If this tool is not cross server, it will simply NOT WORK.  People will just fall back to level chat as usual.  A Dungeon Finder *NEEDS* to offer functionality above and beyond what we already have, and this rollout as it currently stands FALLS WELL SHORT.</p><p>I understand the desire to offer something the players want.  We want it.  SOE wants it.  However, sending it out short on functionality will do irreparable harm to it's reputation and acceptance.</p><p>RELEASE THIS FEATURE WHEN IT IS TRULY READY.</p></blockquote><p>Respectfully, we disagree.</p><p>There are more than enough people on each individual server to keep Dungeon Finder running with same server capabilities only.</p><p>Plus, same-server dungeon finder has the merit of matching you up with people on your own server, so you can actually find those people again later if you want to regroup with them.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>If/when we do cross-server matchmaking, it will be optional only.</strong></em></span> Some players don't want to play with anonymous strangers that they will never see again. It will not be forced upon you.</p><p>DF (and later, Mercenaries) are going to be huge boons for the small-group player that likes to explore and play content. And same-server Dungeon Finder will help those players hook up with people that they can group with later.</p><p>It certainly won't be "a fail". <img src="../images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>They never said anywhere that it will be same server forever.  Emo people ftw.</p>

[Ruut Li]

<p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am sure this will get lost, but here goes anyway so I can come back later and say "I told you so".</p><p>If this feature launches, and is not cross server, it will fail miserably.  Honestly, they should simply NOT LAUNCH this feature until cross server is part of the equation.</p><p>We already have a LFG tool that works on our home server.  How much does that get used?  Yea . . . I know.  If this tool is not cross server, it will simply NOT WORK.  People will just fall back to level chat as usual.  A Dungeon Finder *NEEDS* to offer functionality above and beyond what we already have, and this rollout as it currently stands FALLS WELL SHORT.</p><p>I understand the desire to offer something the players want.  We want it.  SOE wants it.  However, sending it out short on functionality will do irreparable harm to it's reputation and acceptance.</p><p>RELEASE THIS FEATURE WHEN IT IS TRULY READY.</p></blockquote><p>Respectfully, we disagree.</p><p>There are more than enough people on each individual server to keep Dungeon Finder running with same server capabilities only.</p><p>Plus, same-server dungeon finder has the merit of matching you up with people on your own server, so you can actually find those people again later if you want to regroup with them.</p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>If/when we do cross-server matchmaking, it will be optional only.</strong></em></span> Some players don't want to play with anonymous strangers that they will never see again. It will not be forced upon you.</p><p>DF (and later, Mercenaries) are going to be huge boons for the small-group player that likes to explore and play content. And same-server Dungeon Finder will help those players hook up with people that they can group with later.</p><p>It certainly won't be "a fail". <img src="../images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>They never said anywhere that it will be same server forever.  Emo people ftw.</p></blockquote><p>oh such lazyness! what about all the players who dont feel that there are more than enough players  Not everyone wants to small group and solo. There are players that want full group action between 1 to 80, and for that a cross server tool is needed. Yea its easy for sj to side with ppl who are fobic to strangers, it costs less money. Does it costs much to at least bump group exp? They could offer the rest of the disappointed players something itsy bitsy while the shy ppls get their huge boons, grats to you <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>and salty <strong>SJ says if/when</strong>: they arent saying it will be cross server either. that makes some of us worried and disappointed. is the namecalling necessary? illiterates ftw!</p>

[Ruut Li]

<p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Preachin' to the choir man.  I offered that feedback immediately when I heard DF wasn't going to be cross server.  My concerns were dismissed.</p></blockquote><p><strong>And it's already been stated that cross server would be looked at a bit after release.</strong>  I love the positive attitude on this forum lol.</p><p>Again I simply asked for an ETA on the DF...not a discussion on its merit.</p></blockquote><p>where? Smokejumpers post? He says:<strong> if/when. </strong>That is not a statement that cross server would be looked at a bit after release. Liars ftw.</p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>Ruut Li wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>salty21db wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Preachin' to the choir man.  I offered that feedback immediately when I heard DF wasn't going to be cross server.  My concerns were dismissed.</p></blockquote><p><strong>And it's already been stated that cross server would be looked at a bit after release.</strong>  I love the positive attitude on this forum lol.</p><p>Again I simply asked for an ETA on the DF...not a discussion on its merit.</p></blockquote><p>where? Smokejumpers post? He says:<strong> if/when. </strong>That is not a statement that cross server would be looked at a bit after release. Liars ftw.</p></blockquote><p>Pick apart every little detail possible lol.  I personally took the if/when as a "will be looked into" statement is why my above quote was said.  You can't deduce that?</p><p>Regardless I'm not going to set here and type back and forth to a person/persons who apparently just likes to argue and is/are consistently negative (like most of the people on the internet these days).</p><p>My post was made to ask when the possible projection of release of the DF was set for....that is all.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Are you new here?</p><p>The jaded responses you are receiving here are a direct result of the many, many years of development failing to connect with the player base.</p><p>It's kinda like when two people who speak different languages try to have a conversation.  Each stands there speaking their own language, trying to get their point across, but in the end each walks away and says "I have no clue what that idiot was trying to say".</p><p>Generally, you get the situation where the players ask for a glass of water and the developers give them a tea bag, but no water!  Just a complete disconnect.  It's silly.</p>

[Onorem]

<p>I apologize for derailing this early on. That really was not my intention. I was not at all trying to say that your question wasn't worth asking, but I've seen enough threads like this turn into a 'when, when, when, hurry up, when is it coming, release this already, when, when' that I wanted to jump in and ask that people don't push for it before it's ready. I wasn't saying that you were pushing them to release it in whatever state it's currently in.</p>

[Ruut Li]

<p>every little detail? You claim they promised something that they certainly have not. lol</p>

[salty21db]

<p><cite>Ruut Li wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>every little detail? You claim they promised something that they certainly have not. lol</p></blockquote><p>I never said they promised.  I clearly said "LOOKED AT" which to me is the same as saying "if/when".  At no point did I state "YES IT WILL BE CROSS SERVER THEY SAID SO".  Jesus man lol.</p><p>Ty for the apology btw not really needed though I can understand peoples frustration.</p><p>Am i new here?  No lol.  I have a 5yr vet reward and played EQ1 when Luclin released so am I the oldest one here? no.  However I have dealt with SoE a good while and from my personal experience hopping around a ton of gaming companies what they do isn't as bad as people make it out to be in comparison lol.  I offer you to go deal with Blizzard or Funcom and come back lol.</p>