Test Copy PvP Enabled

[Sasquatch]

<p>Title says it all, lets recruit friends and players on live who want to experience t9 PvP and have some fun!</p>

[Felshades]

<p>If I remember right, test copy being set to PvP is why a lot of people DON'T use it.</p>

[Aneova]

<p>EQ2 has PVP? when did that happen? worst idea EVER!!</p><p>/sarcasmoff</p><p>tell ya what you find me on test copy when it's set to PVP I'll just roll over and let ya kill me and save myself the embarrassment. I'm there to test PVE features and how they effect my main characters.</p>

[Kryvak]

<p>What's even being tested with this? I don't see any PvP changes in the updates notes.</p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>Kryvak@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What's even being tested with this? I don't see any PvP changes in the updates notes.</p></blockquote><p>Testing on how the Dugeon finder interacts with PvP apprently well I'll get on to put my toons in thier homes or guild hall and wait till it goes back to PvE.</p>

[Sasquatch]

Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>PvP hasn't fallen due to blubies wanting to control PvP, though it was a contributor when BGs were released and Sony decided to treat them as one and the same thing. PvPers, ourselves, are the reason PvP has fallen: the choice to use the new mount types to avoid it, the choice of many to exploit in combat evac tactic, the choice to gripe so much on forums that Sony totally separated pvp and pve gear, the choice to gripe until Sony began rewarding griefing, etc etc.</p><p>The comment immediately prior to your grow up comment causes the grow up comment to be directed at yourself, as well.</p>

[Cloudrat]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Title says it all, lets recruit friends and players on live who want to experience t9 PvP and have some fun!</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the heads up<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>PvP was an afterthought added in KoS to compete with WoW.</p>

[Sasquatch]

<p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>PvP hasn't fallen due to blubies wanting to control PvP, though it was a contributor when BGs were released and Sony decided to treat them as one and the same thing. PvPers, ourselves, are the reason PvP has fallen: the choice to use the new mount types to avoid it, the choice of many to exploit in combat evac tactic, the choice to gripe so much on forums that Sony totally separated pvp and pve gear, the choice to gripe until Sony began rewarding griefing, etc etc.</p><p>The comment immediately prior to your grow up comment causes the grow up comment to be directed at yourself, as well.</p></blockquote><p>And blubies just keep digging a bigger hole :      But anyway i guess the grow up comment applies to everyone on thisthread lol? (of course you aswell) Derail another thread plz</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>PvP hasn't fallen due to blubies wanting to control PvP, though it was a contributor when BGs were released and Sony decided to treat them as one and the same thing. PvPers, ourselves, are the reason PvP has fallen: the choice to use the new mount types to avoid it, the choice of many to exploit in combat evac tactic, the choice to gripe so much on forums that Sony totally separated pvp and pve gear, the choice to gripe until Sony began rewarding griefing, etc etc.</p><p>The comment immediately prior to your grow up comment causes the grow up comment to be directed at yourself, as well.</p></blockquote><p>And blubies just keep digging a bigger hole :      But anyway i guess the grow up comment applies to everyone on thisthread lol? (of course you aswell) Derail another thread plz</p></blockquote><p>My statement was based on the reason I kept hearing as to why no one uses testcopy. "it's been PvP flagged forever."</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>PvP hasn't fallen due to blubies wanting to control PvP, though it was a contributor when BGs were released and Sony decided to treat them as one and the same thing. PvPers, ourselves, are the reason PvP has fallen: the choice to use the new mount types to avoid it, the choice of many to exploit in combat evac tactic, the choice to gripe so much on forums that Sony totally separated pvp and pve gear, the choice to gripe until Sony began rewarding griefing, etc etc.</p><p>The comment immediately prior to your grow up comment causes the grow up comment to be directed at yourself, as well.</p></blockquote><p>And blubies just keep digging a bigger hole :      But anyway i guess the grow up comment applies to everyone on thisthread lol? (of course you aswell) Derail another thread plz</p></blockquote><p>Feel free to point out any childishness in my response to your post.. as well as how it is a derail when it merely addresses comments made by you within this thread, nothing more.</p>

[Therendil]

<p>PvP is part of the game. It has been since the early days and I expect it will remain part of the game. It is a declining part of the game, but it is still large enough for SOE to support good PvP content for those who want it.</p><p>I don't do PvP and I forbid my guild to do it as well except for Arena matches between members. That's a personal choice. I expect others to respect that choice just as I respect their choices.</p><p>I never play on TestCopy for the simple reason that it is too often set to PvP. Playing there would mean being forced to deal with a PvP environment when I don't want to, and I will not tolerate that ever. If SOE really wants more people tp bring copies of live characters there to test content, they need to establish separate PvP and PvE versions.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Therendil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PvP is part of the game. It has been since the early days and I expect it will remain part of the game. It is a declining part of the game, but it is still large enough for SOE to support good PvP content for those who want it.</p><p>I don't do PvP and I forbid my guild to do it as well except for Arena matches between members. That's a personal choice. I expect others to respect that choice just as I respect their choices.</p><p>I never play on TestCopy for the simple reason that it is too often set to PvP. Playing there would mean being forced to deal with a PvP environment when I don't want to, and I will not tolerate that ever. If SOE really wants more people tp bring copies of live characters there to test content, they need to establish separate PvP and PvE versions.</p></blockquote><p>By "early" you mean "kingdom of sky".</p>

[Valena]

<p><cite>Therendil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PvP is part of the game. It has been since the early days and I expect it will remain part of the game. It is a declining part of the game, but it is still large enough for SOE to support good PvP content for those who want it.</p><p>I don't do PvP and<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> I forbid my guild to do it as well</span> except for Arena matches between members. That's a personal choice. I expect others to respect that choice just as I respect their choices.</p><p>I never play on TestCopy for the simple reason that it is too often set to PvP. Playing there would mean being forced to deal with a PvP environment when I don't want to, and I will not tolerate that ever. If SOE really wants more people tp bring copies of live characters there to test content, they need to establish separate PvP and PvE versions.</p></blockquote><p>You forbid them but then quote personal choice. Sounds like you are removing personal choice from your guild members to me.</p>

[Therendil]

<p>I discussed the matter with existing members before implementing the policy. My original aim was to forbid all PvP, but they made a good point that Arena bouts between members are not the same as dueling in the streets. I agreed with that and made that change. I also accepted that Battlegrounds matches worked the same way in that the PvP took place in an instance unconnected to the regular PvE world. So the policy was implemented with unanimous consent, and all candidates for membership receive a clear explanation right up front.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

I. Love liberals

[Finora]

<p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>Few points:</p><p>Test is not the same as Test Copy. Copy is the one that is made PVP periodically. Test is the one with the small permanent PVE population.</p><p>If you, as a PVP player, think that the PVE players that opt to help test with PVP even though they aren't in that environment on a daily basis aren't doing a good enough job, come help.</p><p>People who test PVE content are probably not the best choice in the first place to test PVP content anyway, but SOE has to work with what they get.</p><p>Also, I fail to see how some people saying they have no interest in doing testing on Copy while it is PVP enabled is being childish. It's not like SOE is paying testers anything more to be there.</p>

[Therendil]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I. Love liberals</blockquote><p>The word 'liberal' comes from the Latin root meaning 'free'. If you are not liberal, you are not free.</p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><cite>Therendil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I. Love liberals</blockquote><p>The word 'liberal' comes from the Latin root meaning 'free'. If you are not liberal, you are not free.</p></blockquote><p>It's a jape in the same vein of forbidding others from participating in order to allow them personal choice.</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Notsovilepriest]

Words don't mean what they used to all the time trying to take it back like that is foolish. Liberals in American politics want more goverment restrictions on things than the other end which by your definition would not make them "Free". I'm not saying liberal views in the US are completely right or wrong since I'm more of a moderate myself, with a slightly left leaning. I'm against forbidding people from doing something that can't cause direct harm to themselves or others, and PvP in a game does neither. Ron Paul 2012

[Sasquatch]

<p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sasquatch wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Even though PvP is declining like the rest of Eq2, PvP is a big part of this game, reading your posts i see why PvP has fallen because childish complaints come from all these bluebies who want to control PvP aswell. Don't worry it usual only last a week, then you can get back to the 10 people who actual do PvE on test. Grow up please, thanks.</blockquote><p>Few points:</p><p>Test is not the same as Test Copy. Copy is the one that is made PVP periodically. Test is the one with the small permanent PVE population.</p><p>If you, as a PVP player, think that the PVE players that opt to help test with PVP even though they aren't in that environment on a daily basis aren't doing a good enough job, come help.</p><p>People who test PVE content are probably not the best choice in the first place to test PVP content anyway, but SOE has to work with what they get.</p><p>Also, I fail to see how some people saying they have no interest in doing testing on Copy while it is PVP enabled is being childish. It's not like SOE is paying testers anything more to be there.</p></blockquote><p>Sry didnt care to read it all, but of course its not childish for people to say they have no interest in Test Copy when PvP is enabled, thanks for the obvious statement but it is quite annoying and unnecessary for people who prefer PvE to fill up this form with complaints and negative comments. Title said PvP so why?</p>

[femi]

been on test copy all day... just 1 other person on, and yesterday had it to myself most of the day.