Trying to settle something with the lore.

[Cusashorn]

<p>WAAAAAAAAAAAY back when the game first started, do you remember if it was stated that every other continent outside of Antonica (Faydwer, Kunark, Velious, Odus) were straight up DESTROYED in the Rending, or did the official lore say they were lost due to the rough seas?</p><p>I've got someone getting on my case saying that the lore was retconned by saying that the continents were originally destroyed, but the developers brought them back by saying they were lost after all. If the rest of you can clarify that, I'd appreciate being able to link this thread as proof.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I've searched through whatever bits and scraps I still have, and could find no specific references.  However I found two posts from Vhalen that offer circumstantial evidence that at least The Sister's Isle, and the Faydwer were NOT destroyed by the Rending:</p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=186909" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=186909</a></p><p>Vhalen, page 2, 2/12/2006, referes to tearfall having survived the Age of Cataclysms</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=45&topic_id=187428" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=187428</a></p><p>Vhalen, page 4, 9/29/2006, refers to the (a) Behemoth on the Faydwer during the Rending.</p><p>I searched the History and Lore forum posts for</p><p>Vhalen</p><p>Jindrack</p><p>Moorgard</p><p>Owlchick</p><p>Illucide</p><p>and that's all I could come up with.</p><p>It's thin to be sure, but *seems* to lend credence to the argument that the rest of Norrath was NOT utterly destryed by the Rending.  There was sure to have been more concrete evidence from the old History and Lore forum, but those are lost to us for good I'm afraid.</p><p>Sorry I couldn't be of more help.</p><p>Possibly a search of Youtube promo videos for EQ2 *might* turn up something.  It's a longshot, but who knows?</p></span></p>

[betatester7]

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[viktu]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>WAAAAAAAAAAAY back when the game first started, do you remember if it was stated that every other continent outside of Antonica (Faydwer, Kunark, Velious, Odus) were straight up DESTROYED in the Rending, or did the official lore say they were lost due to the rough seas?</p><p>I've got someone getting on my case saying that the lore was retconned by saying that the continents were originally destroyed, but the developers brought them back by saying they were lost after all. If the rest of you can clarify that, I'd appreciate being able to link this thread as proof.</p></blockquote><p>My memory is kind of failing me, but I remember there being an e3 video of faydwer being discussed with either Bill Trost or Stuart Compton before the game was launched. Let me see if I can find it.</p><p>Edit:</p><p>I know it was from an E3 before the launch, and an IGN video, and I believe it requires IGN prime to view it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>From what I remember though, what was being discussed was discovering faydwer and having to fight to take back the city of kelethin, and also I believe it was mentioned that velious had melted in the same video.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>I specifically remember that Velious was suppose to have melted. I also remember arguing that if velious melted that the velium wouldn't melt and could re-freeze the continent. Somehow I think the entire "velious melted" and "steamy jungles" were lost somewhere between launch and DoV.</p><p>I also remember that the seas surrounding Antonica (and by dis-association, D'Lere) were too rough to be navigated. We were cut off from the rest of the world so we didn't have any clue what was going on. Once the game launched we became more and more able to travel around Norrath as expansions came out.</p><p>Now why we keep being beaten everywhere we're going by Gnomes is still a mystery. Darn them and their unreliable technology!</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Well Velious HAS lost a lot of it's old size, so we are looking at the very least a lot of water melting if not the Velium, Although..it's less pure form is more common now-a-days (Zekk, Enchanted Lands, Steamfont) I guess the stuff in Velious is now called Primal Velium.</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

Nevermind Velious, what about Kunark and the others?

[viktu]

<p>I was only able to find one video I was thinking of, but it doesn't specifically mention the other continents, it just mentions the catacylsm raining debris down onto norrath.</p><p>It's amazing watching videos of the game before launch, Bill Trost's vision of the game has changed drastically, player owned boats and exploring new lands was supposed to be a big part of the game according to Trost. haha</p><p><a href="http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=50" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?vi...etail&id=50</a></p>

[Banditman]

<p><cite>viktual wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was only able to find one video I was thinking of, but it doesn't specifically mention the other continents, it just mentions the catacylsm raining debris down onto norrath.</p><p>It's amazing watching videos of the game before launch, Bill Trost's vision of the game has changed drastically, player owned boats and exploring new lands was supposed to be a big part of the game according to Trost. haha</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=50" target="_blank">http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?vi...etail&id=50</a></p></blockquote><p>Vanguard had that.</p>

[viktu]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>viktual wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was only able to find one video I was thinking of, but it doesn't specifically mention the other continents, it just mentions the catacylsm raining debris down onto norrath.</p><p>It's amazing watching videos of the game before launch, Bill Trost's vision of the game has changed drastically, player owned boats and exploring new lands was supposed to be a big part of the game according to Trost. haha</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=50" target="_blank">http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?vi...etail&id=50</a></p></blockquote><p>Vanguard had that.</p></blockquote><p>The player owned boats actually work now? I know they didn't when I played at launch. Unless you're talking about the boat system like eq1 had that ran boats between the islands.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Well Velious HAS lost a lot of it's old size, so we are looking at the very least a lot of water melting if not the Velium, Although..it's less pure form is more common now-a-days (Zekk, Enchanted Lands, Steamfont) I guess the stuff in Velious is now called Primal Velium.</span></p></blockquote><p>Velium is suppose to be ice frozen by Vox's breath, and the magic is suppose to be so potent that it will NEVER melt. I think velium was a very poor choice of name for t4 soft metals. That has never sat well with me. On the other hand there were always different grades of velium in EQ, just not a source of velium in Misty Thicket or Jaggedpine Forest. I have no idea how you would explain that.</p><p>If Velious got melted, even briefly you'd think Thurgadin and Kael would of been destroyed. Though it would explain why the chasm in the Great Divide isn't around. Perty much as soon as the source of sudden heat dispersed Velious would start to freeze again thanks to the layer of velium.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Well Velious HAS lost a lot of it's old size, so we are looking at the very least a lot of water melting if not the Velium, Although..it's less pure form is more common now-a-days (Zekk, Enchanted Lands, Steamfont) I guess the stuff in Velious is now called Primal Velium.</span></p></blockquote><p>Velium is suppose to be ice frozen by Vox's breath, and the magic is suppose to be so potent that it will NEVER melt. I think velium was a very poor choice of name for t4 soft metals. That has never sat well with me. On the other hand there were always different grades of velium in EQ, just not a source of velium in Misty Thicket or Jaggedpine Forest. I have no idea how you would explain that.</p><p>If Velious got melted, even briefly you'd think Thurgadin and Kael would of been destroyed. Though it would explain why the chasm in the Great Divide isn't around. Perty much as soon as the source of sudden heat dispersed Velious would start to freeze again thanks to the layer of velium.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">It depends on how MUCH velium was melted is say a Volcanic event, the stuff near on on vents might have melted and become seeds to start new Velium clusters elsewhere (Possibly like an Ice-like version of a fullerene?)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">The veliums Clusters never bothered me as much as the Commonness of Gold (yet is used as money still) Unless it's an Iron Pyrite with traces of gold in it. </span></p>

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>viktual wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was only able to find one video I was thinking of, but it doesn't specifically mention the other continents, it just mentions the catacylsm raining debris down onto norrath.</p><p>It's amazing watching videos of the game before launch, Bill Trost's vision of the game has changed drastically, player owned boats and exploring new lands was supposed to be a big part of the game according to Trost. haha</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=50" target="_blank">http://eq2vault.ign.com/View.php?vi...etail&id=50</a></p></blockquote><p>The game <em>has</em> achanged ALOT! It was nice to see it pre-launch.</p><p>I wish we had those pretty load screens thrown in here n there...</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Well Velious HAS lost a lot of it's old size, so we are looking at the very least a lot of water melting if not the Velium, Although..it's less pure form is more common now-a-days (Zekk, Enchanted Lands, Steamfont) I guess the stuff in Velious is now called Primal Velium.</span></p></blockquote><p>Velium is suppose to be ice frozen by Vox's breath, and the magic is suppose to be so potent that it will NEVER melt. I think velium was a very poor choice of name for t4 soft metals. That has never sat well with me. On the other hand there were always different grades of velium in EQ, just not a source of velium in Misty Thicket or Jaggedpine Forest. I have no idea how you would explain that.</p><p>If Velious got melted, even briefly you'd think Thurgadin and Kael would of been destroyed. Though it would explain why the chasm in the Great Divide isn't around. Perty much as soon as the source of sudden heat dispersed Velious would start to freeze again thanks to the layer of velium.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">It depends on how MUCH velium was melted is say a Volcanic event, the stuff near on on vents might have melted and become seeds to start new Velium clusters elsewhere (Possibly like an Ice-like version of a fullerene?)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">The veliums Clusters never bothered me as much as the Commonness of Gold (yet is used as money still) Unless it's an Iron Pyrite with traces of gold in it. </span></p></blockquote><p>Ugh. Yeah, gold and silver. Value of gold clusters? Junk even vendors won't buy. Value of silver clusters? Far, far more valueable than gold. Honestly gold clusters should be renamed to...dunno. Fay Gold Clusters? Pyrite wouldn't make much sense when it gets used in some quests but...still. Crafting and Lore certainly don't get along well with naming conventions.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Gold is valuable on Earth, but most of Norrath treats it as nothing more than <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorthlessYellowRocks" target="_blank">Worthless Yellow Rocks.</a></p>

[troodon]

<p>I don't think I've ever seen a DEV even make reference to the large unnamed Norrathian continent.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Perhaps not, but the circumstantial evidence is there.  I believe that EQ Live's next expansion will be about just that:  a new continent.</p><p>There are various globes in EQ Live that show it as well.</p><p>Now, it was undiscovered in EQ Live before the Time Split, and has only been newly discovered now.  In EQ2 it may have been totally destroyed by the Rending and the Shattering, or it may have survived, but will remain undiscovered in our milleu.  Only time will tell.</p><p>However, we as players know far more than our characters do, and for us there is, (or was), a large continent on Norrath prior to the Time Split, although the Norrathians themselves were unaware of it.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>I have to disagree. I think EQNext is about a new Norrath. Basically a total restart, probably set at an earlier period of time in Norrath. Maybe the gods will be more (inter)active or something else just a gimmicy so they can get a totally different feeling of where things are going.</p><p>But you know, its predictions based on something that's so deep in development nobody has actually herd anything.</p>

[Cusashorn]

^ What little info we've been given about EQnext is that it's a reboot and reimagining of the original Everquest and the Norrath and time period it takes place in. Kinda like how the Dark Knight saga has no canonical relation to the original 90's Batman movies. Same setting, same characters, different stories.

[RaphaNissi]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>WAAAAAAAAAAAY back when the game first started, do you remember if it was stated that every other continent outside of Antonica (Faydwer, Kunark, Velious, Odus) were straight up DESTROYED in the Rending, or did the official lore say they were lost due to the rough seas?</p><p>I've got someone getting on my case saying that the lore was retconned by saying that the continents were originally destroyed, but the developers brought them back by saying they were lost after all. If the rest of you can clarify that, I'd appreciate being able to link this thread as proof.</p></blockquote><p>Before I start digging through things do you remember if this was from the Tome of Destiny or website lore or a dev post?  I'll start searching to see what I can find, but that info might help find your answer for you. =)</p>

[Kenazeer]

<p>Was rooting around on this and found a cached site. Nothing really about the continents, but I thought this was interesting. Just goes to show that things might change.</p><p>"The moon of the Vah Shir and the home of the Iksar are now gone, but the Iksar still remain."</p><p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gVY-PV2rL0QJ:www.ageofdestiny.com/library.php%3Ft%3D18989+%22everquest+II%22+%22age+ of+destiny%22+lore&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us">http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...n&ct=clnk&gl=us</a></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Kenazeer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was rooting around on this and found a cached site. Nothing really about the continents, but I thought this was interesting. Just goes to show that things might change.</p><p>"The moon of the Vah Shir and the home of the Iksar are now gone, but the Iksar still remain."</p><p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gVY-PV2rL0QJ:www.ageofdestiny.com/library.php%3Ft%3D18989+%22everquest+II%22+%22age+ of+destiny%22+lore&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us">http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...n&ct=clnk&gl=us</a></p></blockquote><p>Well, its still a true statement. Velious was shattered and by all appearances nothing should of survived that. Prior to the Age of Cataclysm the home of the Iksar was Kunark...but more specifically Cabilis. Old Sibilis was reclaimed by Veniril when he returned and took over the empire, the living Emperor was crushed to death when Cabilis was destroyed.</p><p>Apparently Veniril has no intersted in excavating Cabilis and reclaiming the royal treasures of the old Iksar empire. That seems strange. Maybe he is too busy trying to stabalize the empire to mount such an expedition? Or maybe he doesn't care about anything that came after his rule?</p>

[Cusashorn]

Velious melted. Nothing ever said that the rocks underneath all the snow and ice had been vaporized.