Critical Chance Progression - 9/15/11 [Archive]

Deneir_Allaston

09-15-2011, 05:28 PM

Well after some additional testing of the numbers from the adjusted Accessories they really dont seem that far off from what I would expect of a system based on the Destiny of Velious itemization scaling back to old world content. Pre 9/8/11 Hotfix alot of the 50-70 items did clearly have some astronomically high Critical Chance values that needed to be reined in to get them more inline with the Destiny of Velious mold.I think this last update got it "mostly right" in the level 70-90 range on statistics for Pre-DoV accessories. By "mostly right" I mean the value of Critical Chance on Necklaces, Cloaks, and Charms from 70-90 are more or less about where you would expect them to be if not a little low on some items since they 9/15/11 patch.The biggest issues with Critical Chance that Ive seen since the 9/15/11 patch are as follows:1) Crafted Charms (50-69) still have Critical Chance, supposedly they shouldnt have any.2) Crafted Necklaces (60-69), most Crafted Necklaces (70-79), and all Dropped/Quested Necklaces (60-79) have not been itemized with Critical Chance, supposedly they should have been.3) There are lots of Belts (60-69) that still have Critical Chance, supposedly they shouldnt have any.4) There are lots of Cloaks (60-69) that still have Critical Chance, supposedly they shouldnt have any.5) Critical Chance scaling seems a little too low on many Necklaces (60-90), Cloaks, and Charms (70-90).6) Critical Chance scaling seems far too low on all Belts (70-90).7) Primary, Secondary, and Ranged slot items (30-79) have no Critical Chance at all, is this an oversight?8) Critical Chance scaling seems far too low on all Primary, Secondary, and Ranged slot items (80-90).I really think the Critical Chance scaling is a pretty big outstanding issue on the Primary, Secondary, Ranged, and Waist slot in the level 80-90 range. The values are just far too low from what one would expect from the DoV itemization methodology. For example easily aquired level 85-90 Legendary Weaponry and Belts from Destiny of Velious commonly have over 20% Critical Chance; because of this one would assume that hard to aquire raid-type Fabled Weaponry and Belts from Sentinel's Fate, Shadow Odyssey, or Rise of Kunark would have at least around 20% Critical Chance right?At least thats the way I see it. The only way I can really explain my line of reasoning any better is by producing a chart to show how I expected the Destiny of Velious itemization to scale backwards into old world content in a fair and reasonable manner, which I have done. I also included an Alternate Advancement table showing the best Critical Chance a Character can currently achieve in their given Class AA Trees for easy reference. The progression tables can be found in a followup post to this one, due to their length.Edit: Updated post to reflect my current feedback regarding the Critical Chance itemization changes and my observed issues with them.

Silverzx

09-15-2011, 11:07 PM

I logged in to see the changes, so many items missing crit and the ones that aren't missing have such tiny amounts its not even worth my time trying to fight for. I already gave up on this game

Deneir_Allaston

09-16-2011, 01:26 PM

<cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite><blockquote>I logged in to see the changes, so many items missing crit and the ones that aren't missing have such tiny amounts its not even worth my time trying to fight for. I already gave up on this game</blockquote>I cant say that I blame you. It is also getting kind of hard to judge just what exactly to bug report or not bug report from patch to patch mostly due to the in game inconsistences from one hotfix to the next and the lack of real insight into just what the goal is for the revamped itemization from levels 50-79. The items that were revamped from levels 80-90 really havent faired any better either since these changes began.It just seems wrong to be a level 85-90 Character in full Sentinel's Fate equipment and still only have around 40-60 Critical Chance. Full 82 Mastercrafted equipment isnt a good alternative either since you still only end up with just under 50 percent Critical Chance for a full set.I mentioned in the original post the issues with the Critical Chance scaling between levels 70-79 but to elaborate I would say you will on average see a variance of around 3.0 to 6.0 Critical Chance per "crit bearing slot" at those levels, and that value really doesnt change much at all the way into the 80s. Level 82 Mastercrafted for example is only around 4.8 to 5.0 Critical Chance per "crit bearing slot". In fact the only Mastercrafted equipment with higher Critical Chance than 5.0, are Mastercrafted Hex Dolls which currently scale from around 7.5 to 10.0 per Doll from levels 52 to 82, and ironically this is very likely only due to a bug.It is also worth pointing out that Necklace slot items are not even remotely functioning as indicated in the patch notes. Pretty much all the way upto 79 almost all Necklaces have NO Critical Chance on them at all. The only ones that do have Critical Chance are those that are Crafted between levels 70-79, pretty much all other sub 70 Crafted and all other Dropped or Quested Necklaces are lacking it.In addition to these issues there are lots and lots of random Quested and Dropped Belts and Cloaks from levels 60-69 that still have Critical Chance on them while the patch notes claim they shouldnt. It also seems kind of strange to me that no weaponry or ranged items have any Critical Chance at all until 80+.

Deneir_Allaston

09-17-2011, 05:18 PM

I can understand and appreciate the "opening up" of certain Critical Chance bearing slots from Tier to Tier to try and artificially gate a characters Critical Chance progression to prevent earlier content from becoming too easy but I do still wish the Developers would of just opened up all Critical Chance bearing slots starting at level 50 or 60 and then scale the Critical Chance on them better. The manner I would suggest for Critical Chance scaling is outlined in the tables below.The "Current" Critical Chance per slot progression is as follows:Level 1-59: Critical Chance from AA.Level 60-69: Critical Chance from AA, Necklaces.Level 70-79: Critical Chance from AA, Necklaces, Belts, Cloaks, Charms.Level 80-90: Critical Chance from AA, Weaponry, Ranged Weaponry, Shields, Symbols, Necklaces, Belts, Cloaks, Charms.My suggested "Alternate" Critical Chance per slot progression is as follows:Level 1-29: Critical Chance from AA.Level 30-59: Critical Chance from AA, Weaponry, Ranged Weaponry, Shields, Symbols, Charms.Level 60-69: Critical Chance from AA, Weaponry, Ranged Weaponry, Shields, Symbols, Necklaces, Charms.Level 70-79: Critical Chance from AA, Weaponry, Ranged Weaponry, Shields, Symbols, Necklaces, Cloaks, Charms.Level 80-90: Critical Chance from AA, Weaponry, Ranged Weaponry, Shields, Symbols, Necklaces, Belts, Cloaks, Charms.The colors on the numbers listed below indicate general item quality (Handcrafted > Treasured > Mastercrafted > Legendary > Fabled). The numbers in the table header indicate the Critical Chance spread that a player in a FULL set of Handcrafted upto Fabled could possibly see assuming they had access to ALL Critical Chance bearing slots (Primary, Secondary, Ranged, Neck, Waist, Cloak, Charm) in that tier.The higher end numbers listed would generally appear on the higher level and quality items found in that tier. The tables below are meant to be a good "basic representation" of expected Critical Chance scaling from 30-90, found on Pre-Destiny of Velious equipment.================================================== =Alternate Advancement (Critical Chance by Class)================================================= ==Enchanter - 12.0Sorceror - 12.0Summoner - 12.0Bard - 7.5Predator - 14.0Rogue - 14.0Cleric - 16.0Shaman - 16.0Druid - 16.0Brawler - 18.0Crusader - 22.0Warrior - 22.0================================================== =Level 1-29 (None)================================================= ==1H Weapon - N/A2H Weapon - N/ARanged Weapon - N/AShield - N/ASymbol - N/ANecklace - N/ABelt - N/ACloak - N/ACharm - N/A================================================== =Level 30-39 (3.7 to 8.0)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 0.7 > 0.8 > 1.0 > 1.1 > 1.32H Weapon - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.6Ranged Weapon - 0.7 > 0.8 > 1.0 > 1.1 > 1.3Shield - 0.7 > 0.8 > 1.0 > 1.1 > 1.3Symbol - 0.7 > 0.8 > 1.0 > 1.1 > 1.3Necklace - 0.2 > 0.3 > 0.4 > 0.5 > 0.7Belt - 0.7 > 0.8 > 1.0 > 1.1 > 1.3Cloak - 0.2 > 0.3 > 0.4 > 0.5 > 0.7Charm - 0.2 > 0.3 > 0.4 > 0.5 > 0.7================================================== =Level 40-49 (8.0 to 16.4)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.62H Weapon - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.2Ranged Weapon - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.6Shield - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.6Symbol - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.6Necklace - 0.5 > 0.7 > 1.0 > 1.2 > 1.5Belt - 1.5 > 1.7 > 2.0 > 2.3 > 2.6Cloak - 0.5 > 0.7 > 1.0 > 1.2 > 1.5Charm - 0.5 > 0.7 > 1.0 > 1.2 > 1.5================================================== =Level 50-59 (16.0 to 32.8)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.22H Weapon - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.4Ranged Weapon - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.2Shield - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.2Symbol - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.2Necklace - 1.0 > 1.5 > 2.0 > 2.5 > 3.0Belt - 3.0 > 3.5 > 4.1 > 4.6 > 5.2Cloak - 1.0 > 1.5 > 2.0 > 2.5 > 3.0Charm - 1.0 > 1.5 > 2.0 > 2.5 > 3.0================================================== =Level 60-69 (21.2 to 44.0)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 4.0 > 4.7 > 5.5 > 6.2 > 7.02H Weapon - 8.0 > 9.5 > 11.0 > 12.5 > 14.0Ranged Weapon - 4.0 > 4.7 > 5.5 > 6.2 > 7.0Shield - 4.0 > 4.7 > 5.5 > 6.2 > 7.0Symbol - 4.0 > 4.7 > 5.5 > 6.2 > 7.0Necklace - 1.3 > 1.9 > 2.6 > 3.3 > 4.0Belt - 4.0 > 4.7 > 5.5 > 6.2 > 7.0Cloak - 1.3 > 1.9 > 2.6 > 3.3 > 4.0Charm - 1.3 > 1.9 > 2.6 > 3.3 > 4.0================================================== =Level 70-79 (32.0 to 66.0)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.52H Weapon - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.0Ranged Weapon - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.5Shield - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.5Symbol - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.5Necklace - 2.0 > 3.0 > 4.0 > 5.0 > 6.0Belt - 6.0 > 7.1 > 8.2 > 9.3 > 10.5Cloak - 2.0 > 3.0 > 4.0 > 5.0 > 6.0Charm - 2.0 > 3.0 > 4.0 > 5.0 > 6.0================================================== =Level 80-90 (64.0 to 132.0)================================================= ==1H Weapon - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.02H Weapon - 24.0 > 28.5 > 33.0 > 37.5 > 42.0Ranged Weapon - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.0Shield - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.0Symbol - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.0Necklace - 4.0 > 6.0 > 8.0 > 10.0 > 12.0Belt - 12.0 > 14.2 > 16.5 > 18.7 > 21.0Cloak - 4.0 > 6.0 > 8.0 > 10.0 > 12.0Charm - 4.0 > 6.0 > 8.0 > 10.0 > 12.0================================================== =================================================== =

Valentina

09-19-2011, 06:37 PM

SOE should hire you, Deneir. Even if I did not agree with your premise (and I do), it's clear you've put way more thought into the progression than what we actually got from ScriptBot 2000.