So if you like bg's........

[Twinbladed]

<p>Then come to a nagafen or vox. BG's produce enough people to notice that there might be a little pvp in pve players. Throwing the idea out there would be glad to see you guys. </p>

[Talathion]

<p>I'll come as soon as PVP-Only Stats are removed.</p>

[Kimber]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'll come as soon as PVP-Only Stats are removed.</p></blockquote><p>You know for someone that wanted the actual PvP gear merchant from Naggy put on the rest of the servers or in the BG lobby and the tokens combined you really have no idea at all do you.</p><p>While yes some of the PvP only stats are rather annoying.  You need to realize that PvP is differant very differant than what you experianced in BG's.  You say in anouther thread that you want PvE stats and PvP stats to be the same.  You understand that if that were to happen PvP would be 1-3 sec fights and we could change the name of the game to Ever Scout.  This is exactly what many of us ( not all ) on Naggy are trying to avoid.  Back at DoV release ( with no new PvP Gear ) everyone was running around in thier PvE gear cause the DPS was so high that our PvP gear did not stand up to it.  The PvE gear did not stand up to it either.  There needs to be a balnce with the gear and our abilities.  In my opinion the balance in TSO was near perfect.  Others say KOS or EOF was the best.  Either way in EQ2 you will not see PvE and PvP balance without have some seperate stats or effects and many of them just not working when used in the wrong situation.</p><p>The only way I could see them being able to balance PvP and PvE so that there would only be a need for 1 set of gear and it be the best gear out there for it would be to nerf the game to the point that many of us that enjoy the challanges of the game be it Raiding PvE or Raid on Raid PvP out in KP or anything else for that matter would end up leaving the game cause it would be so ""carebear"" and easy that there would be no point.  So unless that is what you want Tala please do not ask for PvP Only stats to be removed.</p>

[Twinbladed]

<p>Strange you brought up TSO, I just got done saying in another forum how much fun TSO was because of how balanced the system was. It also made the game a little bit more unique, as an assassin I knew there was other sins with my ets main gear on but not every single scout in the game. Plus you were able to have differant jewelry. This xpac litterally spawn legendary gear that was able to blow toons up in effortless attempts who had pvp gear on. </p><p>Like I said though it would be a good refresh to see some new people pvping, it is a totally diff game from bg's. If you enjoy killing each other for the fun in it, then your still on the base grounds of enjoying pvp altogether.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Kimber@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'll come as soon as PVP-Only Stats are removed.</p></blockquote><p>You know for someone that wanted the actual PvP gear merchant from Naggy put on the rest of the servers or in the BG lobby and the tokens combined you really have no idea at all do you.</p><p>While yes some of the PvP only stats are rather annoying.  You need to realize that PvP is differant very differant than what you experianced in BG's.  You say in anouther thread that you want PvE stats and PvP stats to be the same.  You understand that if that were to happen PvP would be 1-3 sec fights and we could change the name of the game to Ever Scout.  This is exactly what many of us ( not all ) on Naggy are trying to avoid.  Back at DoV release ( with no new PvP Gear ) everyone was running around in thier PvE gear cause the DPS was so high that our PvP gear did not stand up to it.  The PvE gear did not stand up to it either.  There needs to be a balnce with the gear and our abilities.  In my opinion the balance in TSO was near perfect.  Others say KOS or EOF was the best.  Either way in EQ2 you will not see PvE and PvP balance without have some seperate stats or effects and many of them just not working when used in the wrong situation.</p><p>The only way I could see them being able to balance PvP and PvE so that there would only be a need for 1 set of gear and it be the best gear out there for it would be to nerf the game to the point that many of us that enjoy the challanges of the game be it Raiding PvE or Raid on Raid PvP out in KP or anything else for that matter would end up leaving the game cause it would be so ""carebear"" and easy that there would be no point.  So unless that is what you want Tala please do not ask for PvP Only stats to be removed.</p></blockquote><p>PvP was never and will never be "Balanced" Regardless of the stats or gear you force people in, all the item changes did was ruin some of the classes that could actually compete in PvP by getting better gear then the classes that were "Better", now that all the gear is the same though, this balance is gone.</p><p>Try playing a Defiler with the new PVP stats, Lol.</p>

[Kimber]

<p>I do play a 90 Defiler on Naggy.  I also have a 90 Zerk 81 Pally and 81 Ranger.  42 Necro 42 Brig 39 Monk 39 Warden 37 Temp an Illy in the mid teens and a lv 1 Troub and lv 1 Wiz that I will be taking up eventualy.  I have played or tried most of the class's all on Naggy so I am pretty sure I know how most things work in PvP.</p><p>In TSO my Defiler was actually pretty good at PvP now not so much.  Its not the PvP only stats that effects this change though.  Any PvE change to a class will drasticly effect PvP.  Defilers did not get much improvment with the last Exp or the last GU.  So even though they have stayed the same or seen little improvement they are worse off now compaired to other class's because while a 1% change in PvE is not that much in PvP it can make or break you.</p><p>As for the item changes you are talking about.  Well the stat consolidation really messed things up for a while.  Then the lack of any real time to test PvP on the Test server.  Total lack of new PvP gear with release of new content and the inflation of stats on PvE gear just made things really bad tbh.  The gear all being the same is a problem and myself and some of the others have been asking for class sets like in TSO so that things could be unique again at least the archtypes would not be wearing the same gear anyway.</p><p>Oh and 1 more thing you have no idea about TSO PvP since you only play BG's and on AB ( although it is possable that you have rolled a toon on Naggy but its only been recently if that )  So do not try and tell me or anyone else anything about how things were at that point cause I know I am not the only one that would tell you that TSO was pretty balanced as far as PvP went.</p><p>Edit to add</p><p>For those of you reading this that understand that PvP on Naggy will be differant than BG's please do not allow this discussion to push you away from rolling a toon on Naggy.  If you want to come over and PvP please do we could use the players.  There are several guilds on both sides that could use your assistance or assist you as you come over.  Feel free to contact my guild on FP side if you wish we are very small and are more than willing to help people out if we can.  Its  would be a little spotty right now as we are US based but many of our members are not in the country right now and play at odd times.  However come the 1st of the year we will all be back and ready to go.</p>