Memory leak? [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Peogia

09-04-2011, 01:51 PM

It would appear Everquest II is leaking ram over time<img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/eq2memory.png" width="1024" height="578" />

TSR-JoshuaM

09-04-2011, 01:58 PM

Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.

Peogia

09-04-2011, 02:02 PM

<cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.</blockquote>Ram usage is still increasing over time none stop the longer games open 1 at 1.4gb rest 1.2gb

TSR-JoshuaM

09-04-2011, 02:06 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.</blockquote>Ram usage is still increasing over time none stop the longer games open 1 at 1.4gb rest 1.2gb</blockquote>That, still, in and of itself, is not indicative of a problem. Is it affecting performance?Especially in an MMO, you will always be loading new assets, resources, and swapping them in and out. What may be cached for one client might not need to be cached for another or might already be, or might have been moved to swap space, etc.

Peogia

09-04-2011, 02:09 PM

<cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.</blockquote>Ram usage is still increasing over time none stop the longer games open 1 at 1.4gb rest 1.2gb</blockquote>That, still, in and of itself, is not indicative of a problem. Is it affecting performance?Especially in an MMO, you will always be loading new assets, resources, and swapping them in and out. What may be cached for one client might not need to be cached for another or might already be, or might have been moved to swap space, etc.</blockquote>It is lagging pretty bad lol why I checked processesI think the 1 was open lounger I could leave them all open longer and see if they all increase even more

TSR-JoshuaM

09-04-2011, 02:20 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.</blockquote>Ram usage is still increasing over time none stop the longer games open 1 at 1.4gb rest 1.2gb</blockquote>That, still, in and of itself, is not indicative of a problem. Is it affecting performance?Especially in an MMO, you will always be loading new assets, resources, and swapping them in and out. What may be cached for one client might not need to be cached for another or might already be, or might have been moved to swap space, etc.</blockquote>It is lagging pretty bad lol why I checked processesI think the 1 was open lounger I could leave them all open longer and see if they all increase even more</blockquote>Increasing ram usage does not equal memory leak, a symptom perhaps but not a tell tale sign.I don't remember your system configuration off the top of my head but feel free to fill me on on your system specs and what display settings you have set for the boxes. We don't directly support multiboxing but I'm more than happy to help go through basic steps with you.

Amanathia

09-04-2011, 02:27 PM

This doesn't seem indicative of an actual memory leak issue. Usually in those cases it will continue to grow until it tries to violate another process' memory and then it will crash, etc.EQ2 normally grows a bit as you run around and zone, as it caches things. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Iad

09-04-2011, 03:51 PM

I can have one instance of the client open, nothing else opened and I get an out of memory error eventually. I have 8GB of ram...

TSR-JoshuaM

09-04-2011, 04:27 PM

<cite>Iad wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can have one instance of the client open, nothing else opened and I get an out of memory error eventually. I have 8GB of ram...</blockquote>What OS are you using?

Peogia

09-04-2011, 06:34 PM

<cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you describe the behavior of this memory leak? Because all you are showing me is how much ram each instance is using and it isn't indicative of a problem in and of itself.</blockquote>Ram usage is still increasing over time none stop the longer games open 1 at 1.4gb rest 1.2gb</blockquote>That, still, in and of itself, is not indicative of a problem. Is it affecting performance?Especially in an MMO, you will always be loading new assets, resources, and swapping them in and out. What may be cached for one client might not need to be cached for another or might already be, or might have been moved to swap space, etc.</blockquote>It is lagging pretty bad lol why I checked processesI think the 1 was open lounger I could leave them all open longer and see if they all increase even more</blockquote>Increasing ram usage does not equal memory leak, a symptom perhaps but not a tell tale sign.I don't remember your system configuration off the top of my head but feel free to fill me on on your system specs and what display settings you have set for the boxes. We don't directly support multiboxing but I'm more than happy to help go through basic steps with you.</blockquote>How much ram is the game suppose to use is there a limit?it is still climbing<img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/everquestiimemory.png" width="1024" height="578" />

Peogia

09-04-2011, 06:42 PM

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Peogia

09-04-2011, 06:42 PM

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TSR-JoshuaM

09-04-2011, 06:54 PM

EQ2 can use as much memory as you allow it to. By default there is a 2GB per application memory limitation.Might not help with the memory usage, which again in and of itself does not appear to be an issue, but I do recommend that you get Service Pack 1, all of the available Windows important and critical updates, and update your video card driver to the most recent.

Iad

09-04-2011, 08:32 PM

<cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Iad wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can have one instance of the client open, nothing else opened and I get an out of memory error eventually. I have 8GB of ram...</blockquote>What OS are you using?</blockquote>Windows 7.It has only happened twice in the past week, and the client was open for many hours both times. I would leave it on while AFK, etc.

TSR-JoshuaM

09-06-2011, 02:05 PM

<cite>Iad wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Iad wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can have one instance of the client open, nothing else opened and I get an out of memory error eventually. I have 8GB of ram...</blockquote>What OS are you using?</blockquote>Windows 7.It has only happened twice in the past week, and the client was open for many hours both times. I would leave it on while AFK, etc.</blockquote>32 or 64bit?

deadcrickets2

09-06-2011, 05:03 PM

Can always try <a href="http://www.koshyjohn.com/software/memclean/" target="_blank">MemCleaner</a>. Set it to trim working process sets every five minutes.

Peogia

09-06-2011, 05:32 PM

<cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>EQ2 can use as much memory as you allow it to. By default there is a 2GB per application memory limitation.Might not help with the memory usage, which again in and of itself does not appear to be an issue, but I do recommend that you get Service Pack 1, all of the available Windows important and critical updates, and update your video card driver to the most recent. </blockquote>Thx for the info on the ram I didn't know they recently changed game it never usto go over 1GB usually unless it was a sony in game event with over 100+ players in zone and even then was barley 1.4GB but great to catch this now before my new build for Bulldozer now instead of 2GB a client I will get 3GB and run 4 clients and 2GB for os with 14GB+ if mobo will support it that should leave a decent amount left over for multi tasking I hope

deadcrickets2

09-06-2011, 06:48 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>EQ2 can use as much memory as you allow it to. By default there is a 2GB per application memory limitation.Might not help with the memory usage, which again in and of itself does not appear to be an issue, but I do recommend that you get Service Pack 1, all of the available Windows important and critical updates, and update your video card driver to the most recent.</blockquote>Thx for the info on the ram I didn't know they recently changed game it never usto go over 1GB usually unless it was a sony in game event with over 100+ players in zone and even then was barley 1.4GB but great to catch this now before my new build for Bulldozer now instead of 2GB a client I will get 3GB and run 4 clients and 2GB for os with 14GB+ if mobo will support it that should leave a decent amount left over for multi tasking I hope</blockquote>It depends on the texture settings really. If you use maximum textures it can easily exceed 1.2gb. The best thing to do if running multiple clients (so for boxing) is to go into the followers and reduce graphical settings plus enter in this one command in eq2.ini:force_low_mem_mode 1

Peogia

09-06-2011, 08:21 PM

<cite>deadcrickets2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite><blockquote>EQ2 can use as much memory as you allow it to. By default there is a 2GB per application memory limitation.Might not help with the memory usage, which again in and of itself does not appear to be an issue, but I do recommend that you get Service Pack 1, all of the available Windows important and critical updates, and update your video card driver to the most recent.</blockquote>Thx for the info on the ram I didn't know they recently changed game it never usto go over 1GB usually unless it was a sony in game event with over 100+ players in zone and even then was barley 1.4GB but great to catch this now before my new build for Bulldozer now instead of 2GB a client I will get 3GB and run 4 clients and 2GB for os with 14GB+ if mobo will support it that should leave a decent amount left over for multi tasking I hope</blockquote>It depends on the texture settings really. If you use maximum textures it can easily exceed 1.2gb. The best thing to do if running multiple clients (so for boxing) is to go into the followers and reduce graphical settings plus enter in this one command in eq2.ini:force_low_mem_mode 1</blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lolcheck out this<img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/3box.png" width="1024" height="578" />So I don't need a Video card with more ram just more system ram? Everquest II cant utilize my video card ram either?

TSR-JoshuaM

09-07-2011, 12:58 PM

I 5/6 box on a Q9650 with 4GB of ram...If you are not willing to compromise on graphical settings on the additional boxed characters, then sure you might need a great deal more system memory. I'd just turn the graphics down on the screens im not watching 90% of the time, but that's just me.

Gaige

09-07-2011, 01:11 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~

deadcrickets2

09-07-2011, 01:23 PM

<cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~</blockquote>I'll have to agree with Gaige on this. If you aren't willing to modify the follower settings (which should be starting from their own game installation as it is) then you need to spend money to modify your system.

Peogia

09-07-2011, 09:52 PM

<cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~</blockquote>If amd is so bad then show me intel with higher frames on higher graphics settings in everquest ii only!

Gaige

09-07-2011, 11:26 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>If amd is so bad then show me intel with higher frames on higher graphics settings in everquest ii only!</blockquote>That's pretty easy tbh~

TSR-JoshuaM

09-08-2011, 11:13 AM

Let's just agree that you are more than welcome to have any hardware you choose to have but when it comes to performance issues, when you have them you must be willing to compromise on your boxed characters graphical settings.

Amanathia

09-12-2011, 08:52 PM

<cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~</blockquote>Thuban isn't garbage, I wouldn't recommend it anymore, but yes clock for clock it is much slower than a modern Intel CPU. Really the only time it makes sense to build a new box with a Thuban is if you are doing media encoding on a budget, really. However, they will pretty much all hit 4 or 4.2ghz, so they are reasonably quick. 8gb of ram is also plenty for playing 3 or 4 copies of EQ2. You culd play 5 or 6 on this but yeah you may need to turn textures to high (instead of max). AMD cpu, even moderately clocked, is fine for EQ2 though honestly--the only thing you wouldn't be able to turn up is CPU shadows, but in reality even on SB 5ghz box CPU shadows will kill performance in some places.In her screenshot what I don't get is it's not even coming close to running out of memory, so what's the issue? Let windows 7 worry about your ram usage, you don't really need to. Yes, they could make EQ2 use less RAM, but it would make it perform worse. As you play longer the ram usage goes up because more things are cached. This is okay, really. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If you are getting weird out of memory issue crashes and glitches in eq2, install 64-bit windows instead of 32. Your crashes will go away. If they don't, you probably have a hardware problem.I have a secondary pc that I built with free parts that has an AMD quad, only runnin at about 3ghz too, 4gb ram, and an 8800gt that i revived in the oven (i wasn't kidding about the free part). Plays two copies of eq2 just fine with 2x aa on and with great looking optimized settings. Don't ever use the presets, they aren't so great imho. Textures are at maximum except the LOD one which I always turn down because there's no point in having it at max. When running multiple copies, shadows get turned off on both (8800gt is old and can't handle it otherwise).Even with a crazy system (5ghz sandy bridge with an oc'd 6970 or gtx580 and 8gb or more of ram running at 1866 or higher), if you are running multiple copies of EQ2 you will need to make some compromises. What I do is: I leave almost everything maxxed, AA on at 4x, etc, however, only the main window that I am usually on gets GPU shadows on (at very high), the rest get it off. If I turn GPU shadows on in 3 copies of EQ2 FPS drops into the unplayable region.Some other obvious things:1. Don't try to use CPU shadows with their settings all the way up, that will kill performance on any system. Unless you turn light sources down to a super low amount, but at that point why bother.2. Don't be silly and demand unreasonable things. If you are doing ring war PQ and there are 100 people there and you have multiple copies of EQ2 going, turn spell particle effects to 0.

Peogia

09-13-2011, 05:20 PM

<cite>Amanathia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~</blockquote>Thuban isn't garbage, I wouldn't recommend it anymore, but yes clock for clock it is much slower than a modern Intel CPU. Really the only time it makes sense to build a new box with a Thuban is if you are doing media encoding on a budget, really. However, they will pretty much all hit 4 or 4.2ghz, so they are reasonably quick. 8gb of ram is also plenty for playing 3 or 4 copies of EQ2. You culd play 5 or 6 on this but yeah you may need to turn textures to high (instead of max). AMD cpu, even moderately clocked, is fine for EQ2 though honestly--the only thing you wouldn't be able to turn up is CPU shadows, but in reality even on SB 5ghz box CPU shadows will kill performance in some places.In her screenshot what I don't get is it's not even coming close to running out of memory, so what's the issue? Let windows 7 worry about your ram usage, you don't really need to. Yes, they could make EQ2 use less RAM, but it would make it perform worse. As you play longer the ram usage goes up because more things are cached. This is okay, really. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> If you are getting weird out of memory issue crashes and glitches in eq2, install 64-bit windows instead of 32. Your crashes will go away. If they don't, you probably have a hardware problem.I have a secondary pc that I built with free parts that has an AMD quad, only runnin at about 3ghz too, 4gb ram, and an 8800gt that i revived in the oven (i wasn't kidding about the free part). Plays two copies of eq2 just fine with 2x aa on and with great looking optimized settings. Don't ever use the presets, they aren't so great imho. Textures are at maximum except the LOD one which I always turn down because there's no point in having it at max. When running multiple copies, shadows get turned off on both (8800gt is old and can't handle it otherwise).Even with a crazy system (5ghz sandy bridge with an oc'd 6970 or gtx580 and 8gb or more of ram running at 1866 or higher), if you are running multiple copies of EQ2 you will need to make some compromises. What I do is: I leave almost everything maxxed, AA on at 4x, etc, however, only the main window that I am usually on gets GPU shadows on (at very high), the rest get it off. If I turn GPU shadows on in 3 copies of EQ2 FPS drops into the unplayable region.Some other obvious things:1. Don't try to use CPU shadows with their settings all the way up, that will kill performance on any system. Unless you turn light sources down to a super low amount, but at that point why bother.2. Don't be silly and demand unreasonable things. If you are doing ring war PQ and there are 100 people there and you have multiple copies of EQ2 going, turn spell particle effects to 0.</blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients reaches 1.4gb+ my frames suddenly take a dive from 40-50 to 1-7 and its terrible and forces rebooting clients or lagging to death with unresponsive clients locked up clients and stutteringand I took pic the show cpu usage he said to turn down settings there really is no reason to turn down settings on a 6core with 3 clients as even with multi core support enabled in game its still evenly distributed and not stressing cpu to require a cut back each game client has 2 cores Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)I don't get out of memory crashes but the clients are going over 1.7Gb+ haven't let it get any higher yet before a reboot as games not playable for some reason when it starts getting close to its limit

TSR-JoshuaM

09-13-2011, 05:30 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients reaches 1.4gb+ my frames suddenly take a dive from 40-50 to 1-7 and its terrible and forces rebooting clients or lagging to death with unresponsive clients locked up clients and stutteringThis is how it is supposed to operate. Seeing as the memory usage itself is still well within acceptable parameters, this is indicative of an issue with your system. and I took pic the show cpu usage he said to turn down settings there really is no reason to turn down settings on a 6core with 3 clients as even with multi core support enabled in game its still evenly distributed and not stressing cpu to require a cut back each game client has 2 cores Unfortunately the reality is you do have to compromise on graphical settings to get the performance you want when running multiple instances. There is much more to it then whether or not cycles are still available, or if that CPu is maxed or not. In fact, this is probably more indicative of a hard drive issue (when swap space is being utilized) or the memory itself, as more is consumed performance appears to degrade.Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)I don't get out of memory crashes but the clients are going over 1.7Gb+ haven't let it get any higher yet before a reboot as games not playable for some reason when it starts getting close to its limitYou are not running out of memory, you are not experiencing a memory leak, but you do have related performance issues that can be investigated and troubleshot. </blockquote>My responses in bold.

deadcrickets2

09-13-2011, 06:19 PM

<cite>Amanathia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha I'm not lowering my settings I got a 6 core for a reason lol to box on high lol</blockquote>The AMD 6 core Phenom is garbage. Clock for clock it is slower than the comparable Intel quad core processors. Any performance issues you're experiencing are because of that.Also, 8GB isn't really enough system ram for 3 boxing imo. All the computers I've built for friends who box have utilized 16GB of ram~</blockquote>Thuban isn't garbage, I wouldn't recommend it anymore, but yes clock for clock it is much slower than a modern Intel CPU. Really the only time it makes sense to build a new box with a Thuban is if you are doing media encoding on a budget, really. However, they will pretty much all hit 4 or 4.2ghz, so they are reasonably quick. 8gb of ram is also plenty for playing 3 or 4 copies of EQ2. You culd play 5 or 6 on this but yeah you may need to turn textures to high (instead of max). AMD cpu, even moderately clocked, is fine for EQ2 though honestly--the only thing you wouldn't be able to turn up is CPU shadows, but in reality even on SB 5ghz box CPU shadows will kill performance in some places.In her screenshot what I don't get is it's not even coming close to running out of memory, so what's the issue? Let windows 7 worry about your ram usage, you don't really need to. Yes, they could make EQ2 use less RAM, but it would make it perform worse. As you play longer the ram usage goes up because more things are cached. This is okay, really. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />If you are getting weird out of memory issue crashes and glitches in eq2, install 64-bit windows instead of 32. Your crashes will go away. If they don't, you probably have a hardware problem.I have a secondary pc that I built with free parts that has an AMD quad, only runnin at about 3ghz too, 4gb ram, and an 8800gt that i revived in the oven (i wasn't kidding about the free part). Plays two copies of eq2 just fine with 2x aa on and with great looking optimized settings. Don't ever use the presets, they aren't so great imho. Textures are at maximum except the LOD one which I always turn down because there's no point in having it at max. When running multiple copies, shadows get turned off on both (8800gt is old and can't handle it otherwise).Even with a crazy system (5ghz sandy bridge with an oc'd 6970 or gtx580 and 8gb or more of ram running at 1866 or higher), if you are running multiple copies of EQ2 you will need to make some compromises. What I do is: I leave almost everything maxxed, AA on at 4x, etc, however, only the main window that I am usually on gets GPU shadows on (at very high), the rest get it off. If I turn GPU shadows on in 3 copies of EQ2 FPS drops into the unplayable region.Some other obvious things:1. Don't try to use CPU shadows with their settings all the way up, that will kill performance on any system. Unless you turn light sources down to a super low amount, but at that point why bother.2. Don't be silly and demand unreasonable things. If you are doing ring war PQ and there are 100 people there and you have multiple copies of EQ2 going, turn spell particle effects to 0.</blockquote>Lot to correct here:1. Forcing EQ2 to use less memory will not make it perform worse unless you used the cache command to reduce its' cache.2. 64bit Vista or 7 has no real difference on a 32bit application that uses WOW32. The only way EQ2 would know if it's on 64bit is if it does the IsWOW64Process call. Even then it's limited to the 32bit limitations. There are ways around this limitation for a 32bit application but they are not supported by the staff here. I've posted about it on the Extended support forum.

Amanathia

09-13-2011, 06:49 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients reaches 1.4gb+ my frames suddenly take a dive from 40-50 to 1-7 and its terrible and forces rebooting clients or lagging to death with unresponsive clients locked up clients and stutteringand I took pic the show cpu usage he said to turn down settings there really is no reason to turn down settings on a 6core with 3 clients as even with multi core support enabled in game its still evenly distributed and not stressing cpu to require a cut back each game client has 2 cores Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)I don't get out of memory crashes but the clients are going over 1.7Gb+ haven't let it get any higher yet before a reboot as games not playable for some reason when it starts getting close to its limit</blockquote>Turn shadows off on the instances other than the main one, try turning textures down to high on instances other than the main one, perhaps, as well.Again, I don't think this is a system memory issue, but something else. You have 8gb of RAM. (And to the guy above me, yes, you are right of course, but if you are getting out of memory crashes in EQ2, switching from 32 to 64-bit windows 7 will resolve them. Why? Dunno. It will, though--feel free to not believe me, but it will resolve them. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Anyway, you have 8gb of ram and if each copy is only taking 1.4gb then it's doubtful that is the issue.More likely cause is this (this is assuming you are running with shadows on on all, and textures at maximum on all copies):--You have a GTX460 with 1gb of ram it looks like. I can't really tell if you have AA on or not, though--perhaps you do, perhaps you don't.--Your video card might be running out of memory and thrashing to system ram instead, cauzing a massive drop in performance. This is pretty much what happens when your video card runs out of ram.--Solutions: Turn shadows off on all but the main window, turn AA off or down to 2x if you are using it, turn textures down to high instead of max on windows other than the main one. Download MSI Afterburner or another utility that can show you video ram useage if desired, to verify if this is the issue.--I ran into video ram walls with multiple copies going and AA up on a gtx470 (granted this was at 2560 rez). When it ran out of ram FPS tanked to about 5 or so, same as you are having. Since changing to a 6970 with 2gb video ram it's been much more enjoyable (3gb gtx580s aren't worth the money imho).You can have a very enjoyable boxing experience with the main character at max or almost max settings, but as you run more copies you will run into a wall where you'll need to turn things down on one or more of the windows. And while 1gb of video ram might never normally be an issue with a low rez monitor, it might be with 3 copies running, especially with AA on, etc.

deadcrickets2

09-13-2011, 09:25 PM

<cite>Amanathia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients</blockquote>Again, I don't think this is a system memory issue, but something else. You have 8gb of RAM. (And to the guy above me, yes, you are right of course, but if you are getting out of memory crashes in EQ2, switching from 32 to 64-bit windows 7 will resolve them. Why? Dunno. It will, though--feel free to not believe me, but it will resolve them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Anyway, you have 8gb of ram and if each copy is only taking 1.4gb then it's doubtful that is the issue.More likely cause is this (this is assuming you are running with shadows on on all, and textures at maximum on all copies):--You have a GTX460 with 1gb of ram it looks like. I can't really tell if you have AA on or not, though--perhaps you do, perhaps you don't.--Your video card might be running out of memory and thrashing to system ram instead, cauzing a massive drop in performance. This is pretty much what happens when your video card runs out of ram.--Solutions: Turn shadows off on all but the main window, turn AA off or down to 2x if you are using it, turn textures down to high instead of max on windows other than the main one. Download MSI Afterburner or another utility that can show you video ram useage if desired, to verify if this is the issue.--I ran into video ram walls with multiple copies going and AA up on a gtx470 (granted this was at 2560 rez). When it ran out of ram FPS tanked to about 5 or so, same as you are having. Since changing to a 6970 with 2gb video ram it's been much more enjoyable (3gb gtx580s aren't worth the money imho).You can have a very enjoyable boxing experience with the main character at max or almost max settings, but as you run more copies you will run into a wall where you'll need to turn things down on one or more of the windows. And while 1gb of video ram might never normally be an issue with a low rez monitor, it might be with 3 copies running, especially with AA on, etc.</blockquote>64bit Windows does not a 64bit out of 32bit application make. The 32bit application still has the 32bit limitations due to the subsystem. As for the texture ram you are getting close to understanding how the crashes do occur. The amount of memory being used by EQ2 as shown by Task Manager is not showing all that is truly being used. When the video card overflows into system RAM it can cause buffer overruns. Thus, the crash.

Peogia

09-13-2011, 10:18 PM

<cite>Amanathia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients reaches 1.4gb+ my frames suddenly take a dive from 40-50 to 1-7 and its terrible and forces rebooting clients or lagging to death with unresponsive clients locked up clients and stutteringand I took pic the show cpu usage he said to turn down settings there really is no reason to turn down settings on a 6core with 3 clients as even with multi core support enabled in game its still evenly distributed and not stressing cpu to require a cut back each game client has 2 cores Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)I don't get out of memory crashes but the clients are going over 1.7Gb+ haven't let it get any higher yet before a reboot as games not playable for some reason when it starts getting close to its limit</blockquote>Turn shadows off on the instances other than the main one, try turning textures down to high on instances other than the main one, perhaps, as well.Again, I don't think this is a system memory issue, but something else. You have 8gb of RAM. (And to the guy above me, yes, you are right of course, but if you are getting out of memory crashes in EQ2, switching from 32 to 64-bit windows 7 will resolve them. Why? Dunno. It will, though--feel free to not believe me, but it will resolve them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Anyway, you have 8gb of ram and if each copy is only taking 1.4gb then it's doubtful that is the issue.More likely cause is this (this is assuming you are running with shadows on on all, and textures at maximum on all copies):--You have a GTX460 with 1gb of ram it looks like. I can't really tell if you have AA on or not, though--perhaps you do, perhaps you don't.--Your video card might be running out of memory and thrashing to system ram instead, cauzing a massive drop in performance. This is pretty much what happens when your video card runs out of ram.--Solutions: Turn shadows off on all but the main window, turn AA off or down to 2x if you are using it, turn textures down to high instead of max on windows other than the main one. Download MSI Afterburner or another utility that can show you video ram useage if desired, to verify if this is the issue.--I ran into video ram walls with multiple copies going and AA up on a gtx470 (granted this was at 2560 rez). When it ran out of ram FPS tanked to about 5 or so, same as you are having. Since changing to a 6970 with 2gb video ram it's been much more enjoyable (3gb gtx580s aren't worth the money imho).You can have a very enjoyable boxing experience with the main character at max or almost max settings, but as you run more copies you will run into a wall where you'll need to turn things down on one or more of the windows. And while 1gb of video ram might never normally be an issue with a low rez monitor, it might be with 3 copies running, especially with AA on, etc.</blockquote>I was really wondering about the vid ram usage to but I just checked and clearly this game uses like nothing<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" />this pic was taken with game being already on for hours<img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/everquest2videomemoryusage.png" width="1024" height="578" />

deadcrickets2

09-14-2011, 12:45 PM

<cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amanathia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pic was taken after fresh reboot clients start at around 500mb/700mb+ each around but when any of the clients reaches 1.4gb+ my frames suddenly take a dive from 40-50 to 1-7 and its terrible and forces rebooting clients or lagging to death with unresponsive clients locked up clients and stutteringand I took pic the show cpu usage he said to turn down settings there really is no reason to turn down settings on a 6core with 3 clients as even with multi core support enabled in game its still evenly distributed and not stressing cpu to require a cut back each game client has 2 coresOperating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)I don't get out of memory crashes but the clients are going over 1.7Gb+ haven't let it get any higher yet before a reboot as games not playable for some reason when it starts getting close to its limit</blockquote>Turn shadows off on the instances other than the main one, try turning textures down to high on instances other than the main one, perhaps, as well.Again, I don't think this is a system memory issue, but something else. You have 8gb of RAM. (And to the guy above me, yes, you are right of course, but if you are getting out of memory crashes in EQ2, switching from 32 to 64-bit windows 7 will resolve them. Why? Dunno. It will, though--feel free to not believe me, but it will resolve them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Anyway, you have 8gb of ram and if each copy is only taking 1.4gb then it's doubtful that is the issue.More likely cause is this (this is assuming you are running with shadows on on all, and textures at maximum on all copies):--You have a GTX460 with 1gb of ram it looks like. I can't really tell if you have AA on or not, though--perhaps you do, perhaps you don't.--Your video card might be running out of memory and thrashing to system ram instead, cauzing a massive drop in performance. This is pretty much what happens when your video card runs out of ram.--Solutions: Turn shadows off on all but the main window, turn AA off or down to 2x if you are using it, turn textures down to high instead of max on windows other than the main one. Download MSI Afterburner or another utility that can show you video ram useage if desired, to verify if this is the issue.--I ran into video ram walls with multiple copies going and AA up on a gtx470 (granted this was at 2560 rez). When it ran out of ram FPS tanked to about 5 or so, same as you are having. Since changing to a 6970 with 2gb video ram it's been much more enjoyable (3gb gtx580s aren't worth the money imho).You can have a very enjoyable boxing experience with the main character at max or almost max settings, but as you run more copies you will run into a wall where you'll need to turn things down on one or more of the windows. And while 1gb of video ram might never normally be an issue with a low rez monitor, it might be with 3 copies running, especially with AA on, etc.</blockquote>I was really wondering about the vid ram usage to but I just checked and clearly this game uses like nothing<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" />this pic was taken with game being already on for hours<img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/everquest2videomemoryusage.png" width="1024" height="578" /></blockquote>That won't give an accurate reading. Each client at maximum textures uses roughly 442Mb of video ram. When you alt tab away from the game the usage will drop much as the amount of ram used can drop when you switch from one application to another. That's a function of Windows itself.

deadcrickets2

09-14-2011, 12:50 PM

TSR-JoshuaM

09-14-2011, 12:59 PM

Thanks for the link Deadcrickets. Gonna lock this one up as I think that's more than ample information to explain the situation and your advise will do wonders for everyone else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />