Why is RyGoor Armor Now Low Tier Armor?

[Kunaak]

<p>theres now quested armor that gives more crit mit, and level 80 gear that gives more crit mit.</p><p>yet the rygoor armor is by far the hardest to get other then drundr armor - but that stuffs almost impossible to get.</p><p>but why is it now level 80 hands have 11 crit mit on it, and rygoor has 9, and threalgoor stuff has 15.6? is the rygoor armor already being phased out and obsolete?</p>

[Cratoh]

<p>Yeah, whats going on with this?</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Kunaak wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>theres now quested armor that gives more crit mit, and level 80 gear that gives more crit mit.</p><p>yet the rygoor armor is by far the hardest to get other then drundr armor - but that stuffs almost impossible to get.</p><p>but why is it now level 80 hands have 11 crit mit on it, and rygoor has 9, and threalgoor stuff has 15.6? is the rygoor armor already being phased out and obsolete?</p></blockquote><p>What are the base stats on the hand (STA/INT) and Blue Stats (Pot, CB, Reuse, C. Spd, etc.)?  Also, do they have focus.  Crit mit isn't the end all be all.  Need to know what the other factors are...</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>ever since crit mit has been an important stat, its always been the case that higher tier armor has higher crit mit, and the higher the tier the harder to acquire. ie:</p><p>tso shard t1 armor -> t2 armor -> woe armor -> x4 raid armor</p><p>sf shard armor -> t1 raid armor (easy mode) -> t2 raid armor (easy mode) _> t3 raid armor (hard mode) -> underfoot raid armor</p><p>velious quest armor -> pq armor -> thurgadin armor -> ry'gorr armor -> drunder armor</p>

[Trensharo]

<p>I asked for the stats cause I want to know, not because I care about what's higher/lower or how much crit mit each has.</p><p>Simply put, skipping the shard grind for Ry'Gorr would be awesome.  I can solo most level 80 dungeons np.</p>

[S_M_I_T_E]

<p><cite>Cratoh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah, whats going on with this?</p></blockquote><p>They want to punish people by placing armor in an obscure progression where you have to buy CM adorns for certain armor but not others to get to the same place in total CM.  Unless of course it's an oversight on the itemization Dev's subteam.</p>

[Gninja]

<p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>Gninja, can you add Multi-Attack to Fighter Rygorr armor like Public Quest Armor?</p><p>And can you add Casting Speed to the Priest Rygorr Armor like Public Quest Armor?</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>lol, worth a shot.</p>

[Eileah]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>Gninja, can you add Multi-Attack to Fighter Rygorr armor like Public Quest Armor?</p><p><em><strong>And can you add Casting Speed to the Priest Rygorr Armor like Public Quest Armor?</strong></em></p></blockquote><p>^^ This!</p><p>I cannot give up so much casting speed, put it on the RyGorr so it is at least the same as PQ and hopefully a little better.</p><p>I think even mage RyGorr is missing casting speed on most pieces, not just priest.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Eileah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think even mage RyGorr is missing casting speed on most pieces, not just priest.</p></blockquote><p>It is, and would love a fix for it in addition to the priests.  I think the only classes that are about right on Rygorr is the scouts as far as stats go.</p>

[Sacra Magice]

<p>Yeah, Rygorr armor has better crit mit. But I am using PQ + some kael instances drops (that are supposed to be worse) over rygorr cause the lack of cast speed (that's on priests and mages) make rygorr armor only usefull if you really need the Crit mit or for CERTAIN focus that are a must for some classes (like hostage on rygorr boots for coercers).</p><p>IMPROVE RYGORR ARMOR.</p><p>Regards,Sacra Magice</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Incase anyone is actually going to read this this time, yes hurry up and add some casting speed to that stuff, unless this new solo quest gear is really going to be better anyway. If the new stuff is better then just delete ry'gorr and thurg because nobody will bother with it. </p>

[Kunaak]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>yes - quested thraelgoor gear has more crit mit on the hands, feet and forearms then rygoor gear.</p><p>I am not sure about the rest.</p><p>I've also seen fabled feet in PR, and a ton of old TSO gear that has more crit mit then rygoor armor - as those items tended to have 11 crit mit - and rygoor - 9 crit mit.</p><p>rygoor armor seems to now be the low man on the totem pole for crit mit.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p>I seen some screen shots.</p><p>Crit Mit won't make Ry'Gorr better than that gear.  For anyone that values Ry'Gorr gear, the new quest gear or even some Old 80-90 Revamped gear is way better than it, anyways.</p><p>You may lose a bit of base stat (STA/etc.) but the rest of the stats on those items is inflated enough that Ry'Gorr would be a clear downgrade from it, even with the Focus on them.</p><p>It's laughable, really...</p><p>Everyone will be in old zones farming gear for alts, instead of wasting their time running Heroics for the Ry'Gorr gear.</p><p>I, for one, won't mind as long as a suit of old gear gives as much CM as PQ gear, which seems to be exactly what the case will be.</p><p>Also, some of that stuff is missing Yellow Adornment slots from what I've seen, so you cannot make direct CM comparisons.  You can always add some to Ry'Gorr in the yellow slots.</p>

[Sacra Magice]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: large;">Everyone will be in old zones farming gear for alts, instead of wasting their time running Heroics for the Ry'Gorr gear.</span></blockquote><p>We have few people grouping already for SOE to make such a mistake.</p><p>Rygorr armor should be the best gear to have (except for Drunder or raiding gear). We need people to want it so we can have groups.</p><p>Please, do something about it (and add cast speed to rygorr while you are at it!).</p>

[Trensharo]

<p>I think it's okay if the gear is better.  Really, Ry'Gorr is launch gear, time moves on.  As long as it's not better than Drunder, but makes Drunder a little easier so the devs can stop nerfing everything repeatedly.</p><p>Seriously, at this point in the expansion people should be running the Drunder instances for that gear, but everyone is skipping them for Ry'Gorr gear.</p><p>Plus, Ry'Gorr takes only half the time to get after the gem drop rate increases, nerfs to Kael instances, and halving of the gem cost to craft them.</p><p>*removed edit for vulgarities*</p>

[Fitz]

False, Tren. Rygorr should not be simply patched over. It should still serve as the higher heroic tier it was designed to be. It's not "menstruation" for individuals to be upset when their farming of heroics for months is rejected and a super easy alternative is presented.

[Elskidor]

<p>Do we have pictures of the new stuff? Is it confirmed to be better than anything up to Ry'Gorr? Will Ry'Gorr be getting a boost and maybe some casting speed? Do we know enough to think twice about logging in and placing are adorns directly back into our current gear, or be working our way into the new stuff to adorn it? </p>

[Fitz]

If they boost anything else, I'm gonna go solo Zek.

[Sacra Magice]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think it's okay if the gear is better.  Really, Ry'Gorr is launch gear, time moves on.  As long as it's not better than Drunder, but makes Drunder a little easier so the devs can stop nerfing everything repeatedly.</p><p>Seriously, at this point in the expansion people should be running the Drunder instances for that gear, but everyone is skipping them for Ry'Gorr gear.</p><p>Plus, Ry'Gorr takes only half the time to get after the gem drop rate increases, nerfs to Kael instances, and halving of the gem cost to craft them.</p><p><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000;">*removed edit for vulgarities*</span></p></blockquote><p>There was people speaking about level 80 raid gear being better than rygorr. Shouldn't happen unless we don't want people to group in this tier and just solo farm old raid isntances to gear their alters.</p>

[Elskidor]

<p><cite>Sacra Magice wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: large;">Everyone will be in old zones farming gear for alts, instead of wasting their time running Heroics for the Ry'Gorr gear.</span></blockquote><p>We have few people grouping already for SOE to make such a mistake.</p><p>Rygorr armor should be the best gear to have (except for Drunder or raiding gear). We need people to want it so we can have groups.</p><p>Please, do something about it (and add cast speed to rygorr while you are at it!).</p></blockquote><p>Well, they sorta needa work out some of the Priests and Mages, and even Fighter stats for Rygorr gear to be as highly desired by all. Cept for those who foolishly bought it without looking it over, and Scouts, you really have to have some jewelry to go along with it to make it worth it.</p><p>I don't care if the new stuff is going to be better than Rygorr, although I'd rather them bump up Rygorr since it takes more than a day to get fitted into.  Where are the pictures of this new gear anyhow? </p>

[NardacMM]

<p>I have a feeling i'm going to be regretting some of the stuff I transmuted......</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Deverel@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have a feeling i'm going to be regretting some of the stuff I transmuted......</p></blockquote><p>No kidding.</p>

[Cratoh]

<p>Any word on when? Are you pushing this to coincide with GU61 or have you 'fixed' 20 - 90 and broken curtrent rygorr armor. Can we spend our shards on our alts or is an easy quest completeable in a very short time going to be better than the expensive and time consuming Rygorr? thnaks</p>

[PhabiusBile]

<p>not sure if anyone has posted this yet but these are teh rewards fromt he 2 new quest series in EW</p><p>They are all kinda of messed up </p><p>2 hander is peircing and has close to the same potncy and crit bonus as the HM 2 hander</p><p>the helm  have 139 sta and wis and shoulders 125 wis 136 sta which is more than EM raid gear</p><p>it seems this stuff is way off balance with other aspects also just look at the Crit Mit on everything</p><p><img src="https://byfiles.storage.live.com/y1p2ahfIlH5S_fn81UsbH-qdx3xbeM2Ks5QsOdG1Ue6HasW59zSs5ntOBLcEfowl5-I_NcuIN6Eg5k/new%20quest%20rewards.jpg?psid=1" width="1024" height="464" /></p>

[Trensharo]

<p>Yep, no yellow slots.  People need to stop crying.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Sacra Magice wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think it's okay if the gear is better.  Really, Ry'Gorr is launch gear, time moves on.  As long as it's not better than Drunder, but makes Drunder a little easier so the devs can stop nerfing everything repeatedly.</p><p>Seriously, at this point in the expansion people should be running the Drunder instances for that gear, but everyone is skipping them for Ry'Gorr gear.</p><p>Plus, Ry'Gorr takes only half the time to get after the gem drop rate increases, nerfs to Kael instances, and halving of the gem cost to craft them.</p><p><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #000000; font-size: 12px;">*removed edit for vulgarities*</span></p></blockquote><p>There was people speaking about level 80 raid gear being better than rygorr. Shouldn't happen unless we don't want people to group in this tier and just solo farm old raid isntances to gear their alters.</p></blockquote><p>I'll still do the old raids because they're funner and less annoying to do than PUGing Heroics because most of the people worth grouping with have retired from those, anyways.</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>Stuff doesn't look as good as I thought, but the stats are really whacky. The mit/crit mit seems higher than Rygorr, but the lacking bit of the 2 main stats and yellow adorn seems like it's suppose to be weaker than pq. I guess your suppose to wear a piece or 2 if you need that extra bit of crit mit on some zones? More confusion. All of it is out of place.</p>

[Korhallen3]

<p><cite>Meube@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Stuff doesn't look as good as I thought, but the stats are really whacky. The mit/crit mit seems higher than Rygorr, but the lacking bit of the 2 main stats and yellow adorn seems like it's suppose to be weaker than pq. I guess your suppose to wear a piece or 2 if you need that extra bit of crit mit on some zones? More confusion. All of it is out of place.</p></blockquote><p>What's confusing? You just nailed their intentions for the gear at a glance. Congratulations, you have choice. </p>

[Maroger]

<p><cite>Meube@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Stuff doesn't look as good as I thought, but the stats are really whacky. The mit/crit mit seems higher than Rygorr, but the lacking bit of the 2 main stats and yellow adorn seems like it's suppose to be weaker than pq. I guess your suppose to wear a piece or 2 if you need that extra bit of crit mit on some zones? More confusion. All of it is out of place.</p></blockquote><p>quote lacking the yellow slots makes many pieces undesirable but what is worse a couple of pieces have better blue than e-z mode raid gear and that is not right.</p>

[Mermut]

<p>Patch went live and ry'gorr gear is still low on the crit mit totem pole...</p>

[Rick777]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>Yes it is.  I was doing the thrael-gorr quests last night and the rewards had higher crit mit than the rygorr armor I was wearing, for about 5 minutes worth of work each quest.  Of course, as other had mentioned, the blue stats and the xxx/STA stats were worse.  But I think you guys really NEED to look long and hard at what kind of progression you want to accomplish with gear.  First you do really unexplainable stuff like let PQ armor have MUCH more MA/casting speed, etc. than rygorr armor, making people scratch their head at the progression.  Now we have quested armor have higher crit mit than rygorr armor, if it's not a bug then can you please attempt to explain to us the progression of gear here?  You guys must be wondering why so many players are confused in DOV, this is a perfect example of why.</p>

[Nrgy]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>When ... Hot-Fix .. Post-Patch .. Post GU .. Expansion .. Post Expansion ... It certainly has not been done as of last night!</p><p>This is bad business .. first giving people free PQ gear ... then offering (fairly) hard to get Tier 1 & 2 armor ... then giving people quest gear over the tier 1 & 2 ... Really?!?</p>

[melaine_dvarvensplitter]

<p>I did the questline on the new quests in EW and if the Rygorr armor doesn't get a boost I see no reason to upgrade to it on my alts.</p><p>I worked my butt off for shards and jewels for Rygorr and I am disappointed in either lack of Crit Mit boost/stat boost it didn't get and the new quested stuff is just way to good. /sigh</p><p>Please fix this "overlook" on the armor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thank you!</p>

[Elskidor]

<p>That solo gear is better in crit mit, but lacks many other ways. If crit mit is now being handed out so freely then the Rygorr gear needs a significant boost. I'd like to see some useful stats increase aswell. You can even mix up SF gear and have better stats than Rygorr. Looking back now, that blasted PQ gear can be returned to how it was orignally before it's 3 nerfs, and wouldn't hurt a thing. There is multiple reasons why this gu is total fail, but this is just frustrating. Might aswell switch out the Rygorr merchant to sell EM raid gear, and change the PQ drops to the Rygorr. Give players something to want to work their way up in DoV, instead of returning to Sentinels Fate. </p><p>p.s. New heroic zone loot is one of yall's worst ideas ever.</p>

[Troubor]

<p><cite>Ikov@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That solo gear is better in crit mit, but lacks many other ways. If crit mit is now being handed out so freely then the Rygorr gear needs a significant boost. I'd like to see some useful stats increase aswell. You can even mix up SF gear and have better stats than Rygorr. Looking back now, that blasted PQ gear can be returned to how it was orignally before it's 3 nerfs, and wouldn't hurt a thing. There is multiple reasons why this gu is total fail, but this is just frustrating. Might aswell switch out the Rygorr merchant to sell EM raid gear, and change the PQ drops to the Rygorr. Give players something to want to work their way up in DoV, instead of returning to Sentinels Fate. </p><p>p.s. New heroic zone loot is one of yall's worst ideas ever.</p></blockquote><p>I have only read a couple posts so I don't know if this has been pointed out.  But the thing people are possibly ignoring is that the new set of solo quested gear from the GU61 overland quests lack a yellow adorn slot.  Using even Mark of Manaar crit mit adorns from SF one can get better crit mit then the EW set (I think, I haven't done the math) and I know one can get better using DoV yellow crit mit adorns on the Ry'gor.  This also ignores as was posted here that the green stats (the primary stat/Stamina ones) and the other blue stats are a bit lower then Ry'gorr. </p><p>With regards to Mark of Manaar t2 heroic SF gear, I'd have to look at each piece but just glancing at my recipe book and comparing to my current full set of Ry'gorr I have on, it didn't look better.  Now was it a viable alternative to PQ gear?  Yes, someone in full t2 SF Mark gear could just skip doing PQ's and hop right into DoV instances if they wanted to, or could do PQ's if they wanted the set bonus or something else from it.  But just glancing it didn't look better then DoV Ry'gorr.</p><p>As an aside, both T2 Mark SF tank sets had wisdom/stamina for the green stats, not str/stamina.  And yes, there's a different set of plate for clerics in that series so it wasn't their way of making it a partial cleric set.</p><p>One thing to consider, SF gear before GU 61 wasn't a viable set of gear.  Now, ignoring bugs and items for some reason ignored, it is.  It's not an upgrade from any DoV items at all, but at least one in mostly or all SF gear isn't naked compared to someone in mostly or all DoV gear now.</p><p>Another aside:  Okay, a lot of people have hundreds of marks of manaar still, but plenty don't.  I only have maybe 40 total on me, and that's for an account not one character. SF Mark of Manaar stuff is expensive, the cheapest T2 piece is 47 marks, the most expensive that isn't pure appearance, the BP is 140.  That's player crafted prices, not vendor.  Ry'gorr is only 20 shards plus a gem a piece, Thurgadin if one truly can't loot or afford to buy the gems is 25 a piece in DoV shards, both prices player crafted.</p><p>One thing I'm curious about, will SF Mark of Manaar gear hold a DoV yellow adorn?  I'm not exactly going to test that, but if it won't then there's a hidden "nerf" that still exists with it then.  DoV yellow adorns are a lot better then SF Mark ones.</p><p>So, my point is this I suppose.  Is this GU buggy?  YES.  One of my characters can't even zone into his guild hall right now.  We've had two unattunes/aa resets, and I keep hearing there's a third one, albeit optional and not required on Tuesday as well.  Plenty of reitemized stuff seems to have the wrong stats, and I have items in my recipe book that got reitemized that have no icon now other then the "bug" symbol.  And that's just for starters.  But I don't see where the quested EW overland gear is better then Ry'gorr, not when one remembers that Ry'gorr does have a yellow adorn slot on it, and when one looks at every other stat other then crit mit on both sets.  That and SF gear needed reitemized IMO, and IMO it's not better then any DoV gear either, it's just a viable OPTION compared to lower end DoV gear.</p>

[Rick777]

<p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>When ... Hot-Fix .. Post-Patch .. Post GU .. Expansion .. Post Expansion ... It certainly has not been done as of last night!</p><p>This is bad business .. first giving people free PQ gear ... then offering (fairly) hard to get Tier 1 & 2 armor ... then giving people quest gear over the tier 1 & 2 ... Really?!?</p></blockquote><p>What scares me is that a developer is really asking this question.  You programmed it, shouldn't you know?</p>

[Bratface]

<p><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nrgy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Crit mit on the Rygorr armor is now below the overland quested stuff? Will take a look.</p></blockquote><p>When ... Hot-Fix .. Post-Patch .. Post GU .. Expansion .. Post Expansion ... It certainly has not been done as of last night!</p><p>This is bad business .. first giving people free PQ gear ... then offering (fairly) hard to get Tier 1 & 2 armor ... then giving people quest gear over the tier 1 & 2 ... Really?!?</p></blockquote><p>What scares me is that a developer is really asking this question.  You programmed it, shouldn't you know?</p></blockquote><p>Gninja is not the itemization dev so this would be news to him, but he is one of the best devs here so if he says he will look into it I think good things will happen.</p><p>When is the question though....</p>