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Raviel
08-20-2011, 09:47 PM
<p>i see that you guys have added procs to alot of heroic instance items, however not one of my fabled items from kael contested recieved any procs of any kind. The zone is barely used as it is, would you please consider putting procs on some of the fabled loot from this zone?</p>

Raviel
08-21-2011, 05:31 PM
<p>since this thread is getting no attention i figured id put some screenshots in to show the problem.</p><p><img src="http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/Raviel1/EQ2_000001.png" /></p><p>This is kael contested loot. as it stands it is in most cases, comparable to what you can get from heroic instances. It is meant to be balanced around the same loot that comes from the 3 kael zones.</p><p><img src="http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/Raviel1/EQ2_000003.png" /></p><p>This is heroic loot on test, notice the new procs. This makes going to kael contested a complete waste of time, as anything you get out of there can probably be outclassed by what you can find in that day's hotzone. Please, do something to make kael contested worth going to, because as it stands this update is giving us even less of a reason to go there than we do now.</p>

Bremer
08-21-2011, 06:45 PM
So with 2 trivially attainable heroic dops you can now get procs that give you almost permanent 90 % AE autoattack, a big boost to about every single class except Berserkers, because we allready have 2 buffs and an AA line and they all don't stack?

Raviel
08-21-2011, 07:12 PM
<p><cite>Bremer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>So with 2 trivially attainable heroic dops you can now get procs that give you almost permanent 90 % AE autoattack, a big boost to about every single class except Berserkers, because we allready have 2 buffs and an AA line and they all don't stack?</blockquote><p>sounds about right yeah. ae autoattack needs some uncapping</p>

Lempo
08-21-2011, 07:42 PM
<p>KD has been nerfed to where it is a joke you should be glad that it isn't an appearance item only drop table.</p>

Talathion
08-21-2011, 07:59 PM
<p><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>KD has been nerfed to where it is a joke you should be glad that it isn't an appearance item only drop table.</p></blockquote><p>it is if your a berserker...</p>

Raviel
08-21-2011, 08:05 PM
<p><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>KD has been nerfed to where it is a joke you should be glad that it isn't an appearance item only drop table.</p></blockquote><p>i dont care how many times the zone has been nerfed, there is more of a reason to do tofs content than there is to go to kd contested. its a massive zone and its largely wasted space, and people like you help keep it that way. KD contested is still more difficult than tofs or rime zones and some names are harder than kael instance names, so please enlighten me as to why the loot shouldnt be upgraded with the rest of the other trivial heroic content loot?</p>

Raviel
08-21-2011, 11:52 PM
<p>Kael Contested is as much of a joke as any other pre drunder heroic content in this xpac, it deserves to have its loot upgraded as well</p>

Trensharo
08-22-2011, 12:33 AM
<p>Heroic Loot (assuming the content is tuned correctly) should be better than non-Heirloom vendor-friendly contested loot.</p><p>Just my opinion.</p><p>Kael Contested outside of the named is pretty much a Solo zone now, with all the nerfs they put in.</p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 12:41 AM
<p>those fabled items i linked ARE off of the nameds. the loot of of the trash is heirloom and no trade. again, the zone is no more of a joke than tofs or rime or kael zones. its loot should be upgraded with the rest or itll become even more of a ghost town than it already is. maybe add some new named in there that drop better loot and are more difficult than the rest?</p>

Lempo
08-22-2011, 01:52 AM
<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>KD has been nerfed to where it is a joke you should be glad that it isn't an appearance item only drop table.</p></blockquote><p>it is if your a berserker...</p></blockquote><p>I'm not a zerker, I'm a warlock and can solo a lot in there, but it isn't worth it.</p><p>I could support more of the loot being tradeable, but not better put the zone back to where it was then beef the loot maybe as it stands the thing is too much of a cakewalk for a group, after all the nerfs because scrubs can't use interrupts, roots (to stall an unwanted adds etc.</p><p>Maybe they could add a Challenge mode of the zone, leaving it contested just putting the mobs back to where they were at launch and beefing the loot.</p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 01:53 AM
<p>i bet your not soloing the nameds in there, i didnt link a single trash drop in my post.</p>

Trensharo
08-22-2011, 02:39 AM
<p><cite>Raviel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i bet your not soloing the nameds in there, i didnt link a single trash drop in my post.</p></blockquote><p>The named and trash share a ton of drops, that's my point.  I mean, if you only wanna change the Fableds then /shrug/, but they should make all the Fabled Heirloom as well.</p><p>Otherwise the zone will be worthless after the first zerg week - before 100 of all of that is on the broker.</p><p>Think about it a bit harder, IMO.</p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 02:54 AM
<p>i dont care if loot is made heirloom or something, but there needs to be more of a reason to go to this zone. The upcoming itemization changes to other, easier heroic zones is going to largely invalidate this zone. There was more of a reason to go to the hole at this point in time during SF even, because of the rare loot off of nameds that had interesting procs that were worth something. I'm just asking for the same for KDC, other heroic zones are getting the same treatment as this zone. Again, i dont care if the loot becomes heirloom instead of completely tradeable, i also dont care if they dont update current loot from the zone, so long as they put in rare loot with procs comparable to the stuff you can get out of the largely trivial tofs rime and kael instances</p><p>oh and the reasoning behind me saying update the fabled drops is because only fabled items from the last 2 names of heroic instances had procs added to them</p>

Cratoh
08-22-2011, 04:35 AM
<p>KD loot is fine as it is, short spawn named, no lock out and fabled dropping like candy. You want all of that to personally solo farm and sell. I call BS.</p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 04:37 AM
<p>i just want a reason to do the zone more. i enjoy it more than any of the instanced content this expansion has had to offer. it makes no sense to me that other heroic gear is being revamped and this zone is being passed over.</p>

Kimber
08-22-2011, 04:50 AM
<p> Edit to protect the innocent <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 05:00 AM
<p>its not another profile. he stole my pic, for the love of god dont associate me with Tuor.</p>

Kimber
08-22-2011, 05:15 AM
<p>Oh sorry about that thought it was odd esp since some of the posts contradict each other but it is Tala we are talking about</p>

Raviel
08-22-2011, 05:22 AM
<p>afaik Tala hasnt posted once about the lack of decent drops in kael contested. i still see no reason as to why they cant add something to the zone like they did in the hole. Heirloom or not, the zone is a giant waste of space atm, it had some decent drops before they added these procs to heroic stuff but now its no contest, theres no reason to farm any gear from the zone.</p>

Undorett
08-22-2011, 03:44 PM
Raid gear has red adorns to add some procs or effects, but these procs are more powerful than those by far. Has raid gear been given these types of procs in these slots? Or is that coming in a future update?

Davngr1
08-22-2011, 04:33 PM
<p>i guess they want people to use this instance?</p>

Undorett
08-22-2011, 05:39 PM
You guess they want people to run "The Ascent"??? Because that is where the first item drops. Belt with a 500 ability mod AND 20 crit bonus proc. I do not have time at the moment to look each one up, but why are these procs flat out better than what is available on raid gear? Or are the being added to raid gear as well?

Raviel
08-22-2011, 07:11 PM
<p>the linked items come from (in order), Ascent, TOFS: SC, Throne of Storms, Iceshard Keep, TOFS: Haunt. there are procs present on most fabled drops from the final 2 names in each heroic instance. There are some exceptions, fabled bracelets from fortress spire dont have procs, neither do fabled weapons from TOFS:SC</p>

TheGeneral
08-23-2011, 01:45 PM
<p>I happen to like running Kael Contested.  Take a group in there, go to all the areas, do the daily quests, get some plat, some shards, maybe a few feabled drops... no lockout.  The exp is pretty decent if you are still helping people with AA.  I would just like to see more reason to go there.  Its an awesome zone.</p><p>... I wouldnt mind seeing contested epics in there where the raid zone mobs are to add a little flavor.</p>

Detor
08-23-2011, 10:05 PM
<p>GU is coming Thursday, so it's a bit too late to mention this now unfortunately.</p>

Raviel
08-23-2011, 10:29 PM
<p>i disagree. they still have 2 days and they are still making changes to items. it would take almost no effort to drop some procs or some new items with procs onto drop tables on names in this zone</p>