Velium Shards

[ShamusOB]

<p>Can we get a merchant to trade Pure Primal Velium Shards for Primal Velium Shards.</p><p>I raid Hardmode encounters and dislike HEROIC instances.  I am forced into a play style I loathe to obtain shards for my Hardmode RAID gear.  Ive got tons of the raid shards laying around looking totally worthless, would be nice If I could just trade them even at a 2-1 for heroic version.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Can we get a merchant to trade Pure Primal Velium Shards for Primal Velium Shards.</p><p>I raid Hardmode encounters and dislike HEROIC instances.  I am forced into a play style I loathe to obtain shards for my Hardmode RAID gear.  Ive got tons of the raid shards laying around looking totally worthless, would be nice If I could just trade them even at a 2-1 for heroic version.</p></blockquote><p>As long as you can do the other way around.</p><p>Also can you trade Primal Velium Shards for PVP Tokens so I can Xfer on a PVP server and buy PVP gear?</p>

[Geothe]

<p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Can we get a merchant to trade Pure Primal Velium Shards for Primal Velium Shards.</p><p>I raid Hardmode encounters and dislike HEROIC instances.  I am forced into a play style I loathe to obtain shards for my Hardmode RAID gear.  Ive got tons of the raid shards laying around looking totally worthless, would be nice If I could just trade them even at a 2-1 for heroic version.</p></blockquote><p>No, dont have a trade in, else you get moronic replies such as Tuors above me.Instead, have Hard Mode mobs also drop a single Primal Velium Shard.Afterall, the armor that Hard Mode mobs drop contains a yellow adornment slot, so it is only logical that they should also drop the currency to enable the purchase of said yellow adorns.Easy mode mobs have no yellow slot loot, so shouldnt drop any Primals.</p>

[ShamusOB]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Can we get a merchant to trade Pure Primal Velium Shards for Primal Velium Shards.</p><p>I raid Hardmode encounters and dislike HEROIC instances.  I am forced into a play style I loathe to obtain shards for my Hardmode RAID gear.  Ive got tons of the raid shards laying around looking totally worthless, would be nice If I could just trade them even at a 2-1 for heroic version.</p></blockquote><p>No, dont have a trade in, else you get moronic replies such as Tuors above me.Instead, have Hard Mode mobs also drop a single Primal Velium Shard.Afterall, the armor that Hard Mode mobs drop contains a yellow adornment slot, so it is only logical that they should also drop the currency to enable the purchase of said yellow adorns.Easy mode mobs have no yellow slot loot, so shouldnt drop any Primals.</p></blockquote><p>Thats more annoying since I have piles of blue shards atm, But I can get onboard with that.  Anything so I dont have to run annoying pugs with terribads anymore to adorn out my Raid gear.</p>

[p3t3rl1]

<p>Don't be silly, dungeons are an integral part of the game. </p>

[ShamusOB]

<p><cite>p3t3rl1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't be silly, dungeons are an integral part of the game. </p></blockquote><p>Part of whos game?</p><p>Herioc instances haven't been appart of my game for a long time now.  There is no reason to even do them other than when I want another yellow adorn for raid gear.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>p3t3rl1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't be silly, dungeons are an integral part of the game. </p></blockquote><p>Part of whos game?</p><p>Herioc instances haven't been appart of my game for a long time now.  There is no reason to even do them other than when I want another <span style="color: #ff0000;">yellow adorn for raid gear</span>.</p></blockquote><p>Thats a reason.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>p3t3rl1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't be silly, dungeons are an integral part of the game. </p></blockquote><p>Part of whos game?</p><p>Herioc instances haven't been appart of my game for a long time now.  There is no reason to even do them other than when I want another <span style="color: #ff0000;">yellow adorn for raid gear</span>.</p></blockquote><p>Thats a reason.</p></blockquote><p>Except you can duo/trio ascent and pools and be done with it.</p><p>That's not a reason, that's just an inconvenience.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShamusOB wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>p3t3rl1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't be silly, dungeons are an integral part of the game. </p></blockquote><p>Part of whos game?</p><p>Herioc instances haven't been appart of my game for a long time now.  There is no reason to even do them other than when I want another <span style="color: #ff0000;">yellow adorn for raid gear</span>.</p></blockquote><p>Thats a reason.</p></blockquote><p>Except you can duo/trio ascent and pools and be done with it.</p><p>That's not a reason, that's just an inconvenience.</p></blockquote><p>It's their way to make content last longer.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p>Anyone raider with a brain is running the dialy shard quest so really there should be no reason to run Heroics for PvS.  You should always have the 5 you need just from the quest unless for some reason you're upgrading gear at a ridiculous rate.</p><p>I think people running instances for alt gear has more to do with it than raiders who need shards for upgrades.</p><p>The x4 raids should drop shards, though.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Anyone raider with a brain is running the dialy shard quest so really there should be no reason to run Heroics for PvS.  You should always have the 5 you need just from the quest unless for some reason you're upgrading gear at a ridiculous rate.</p><p>I think people running instances for alt gear has more to do with it than raiders who need shards for upgrades.</p><p>The x4 raids should drop shards, though.</p></blockquote><p>Heroics and X2s should drop raidshards, i'm tired of being unable to buy stuff for my Red slot gear.</p>

[Kunaak]

<p>no matter how many times we've asked for exchange merchants, they never happen.</p><p>its especially annoying when you have "currency" from events that are only once a year events.</p>

[feldon30]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Heroics and X2s should drop raidshards, i'm tired of being unable to buy stuff for my Red slot gear.</p></blockquote><p>Is there no end to your bad ideas?</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Anyone raider with a brain is running the dialy shard quest so really there should be no reason to run Heroics for PvS.  You should always have the 5 you need just from the quest unless for some reason you're upgrading gear at a ridiculous rate.</p><p>I think people running instances for alt gear has more to do with it than raiders who need shards for upgrades.</p><p>The x4 raids should drop shards, though.</p></blockquote><p>Heroics and X2s should drop raidshards, i'm tired of being unable to buy stuff for my Red slot gear.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe you should try joining a raiding guild instead of just selling selling SC to buy raid gear you can't adorn?</p><p>If you raid x4s you are never at a shortage of raid shards.  I'd rather a way to trade them down 1 Raid Shard for 2 Heroic Shards, personally.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Anyone raider with a brain is running the dialy shard quest so really there should be no reason to run Heroics for PvS.  You should always have the 5 you need just from the quest unless for some reason you're upgrading gear at a ridiculous rate.</p><p>I think people running instances for alt gear has more to do with it than raiders who need shards for upgrades.</p><p>The x4 raids should drop shards, though.</p></blockquote><p>Heroics and X2s should drop raidshards, i'm tired of being unable to buy stuff for my Red slot gear.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe you should try joining a raiding guild instead of just selling selling SC to buy raid gear you can't adorn?</p><p>If you raid x4s you are never at a shortage of raid shards.  I'd rather a way to trade them down 1 Raid Shard for 2 Heroic Shards, personally.</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I have Raiding Adorns.</p>

[bigmamma]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Heroics and X2s should drop raidshards, i'm tired of being unable to buy stuff for my Red slot gear.</p></blockquote><p>Is there no end to your bad ideas?</p></blockquote><p>LOL, cracks me up every time</p>

[TheGeneral]

<p>I think you should always be able to trade down.  You should never be able to trade up.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>TheGeneral wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think you should always be able to trade down.  You should never be able to trade up.</p></blockquote><p>And I think I should be able to do something with these void shards and marks of manaar and stuff besides let them rot in my inventory.</p><p>Yes, I've been using SF adorns till I get the shards for DoV adorns(working on a second set of Ry'Gorr atm for another toon, don't have the shards to blow on adorns for her gear yet) but after that, i'll likely end up with a bunch I can't use -_-</p>

[Buzzing]

<p>SOE actually wants the end game players to mingle with the rest of the population and help them along there way.</p>

[TheGeneral]

<p><cite>Buzzing@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>SOE actually wants the end game players to mingle with the rest of the population and help them along there way.</p></blockquote><p>Not gonna happen.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Buzzing@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>SOE actually wants the end game players to mingle with the rest of the population and help them along there way.</p></blockquote><p>The normal population (I.E the majority) prefers it the way it is for the most part imo.  Who wants to spend their time with some socialy deficient player who solely gets into groups that are "beneathe them" just so they can repeat over and over how bad their group is?  I sure don't and infact cringe everytime I see certain people from certain "high end guilds" pop into a PuG group.</p>

[Elskidor]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Buzzing@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> "high end guilds" </p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Such a term has no place in an eazymode mmo. Hard to be elite by raiding closed instances without competition for days on end. That's just called instanced farming. Nothin elite about it. Just a bunch of kids/adults that whined alot back in the day to get stuffed nerfed down easy enough to where they can play and feel special without challenging content.</p>

[millie]

A simpler way to handle this is to allow Momo to sell yellow slot stats adornments for Pure Primal Shards and more plat. You want a yellow adornment with a proc or armor then get the shards. But stats adornments would not distort the game

[Trensharo]

<p>^- There is no logic in that idea.</p><p>Pure Primals are harder to get than the PVS.  Why charge people using raid shards a premium to get a yellow adornment?</p><p>Makes little sense.</p><p>Just allow the shards to be traded down.  That's all that's needed.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^- There is no logic in that idea.</p><p>Pure Primals are harder to get than the PVS.  Why charge people using raid shards a premium to get a yellow adornment?</p><p>Makes little sense.</p><p>Just allow the shards to be traded down.  That's all that's needed.</p></blockquote><p>We can trade them up too!</p>

[Fitz]

Solution: Adorner Recipe (450) Convert one raid shard into two heroic shards. Convert eight heroic shards into one raid shard. That way, people doing the X2 and a bunch of instances can still adorn their red slots, and raiders can use their raid shards for yellows.

[Klive]

<p>good idea, Fitz</p>

[Geothe]

<p><cite>Fitz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Solution: Adorner Recipe (450) Convert one raid shard into two heroic shards. Convert eight heroic shards into one raid shard. That way, people doing the X2 and a bunch of instances can still adorn their red slots, and raiders can use their raid shards for yellows.</blockquote><p>Heroic Shards should not convert into raid shards, sorry.However, the end boss in the x2 SHOULD drop raid shard.</p>

[Talathion]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fitz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Solution: Adorner Recipe (450) Convert one raid shard into two heroic shards. Convert eight heroic shards into one raid shard. That way, people doing the X2 and a bunch of instances can still adorn their red slots, and raiders can use their raid shards for yellows.</blockquote><p>Heroic Shards should not convert into raid shards, sorry.However, the end boss in the x2 SHOULD drop raid shard.</p></blockquote><p>If you can convert them down, you should beable to convert them up.</p><p>Otherwise it makes no sense in lore or gameplay.</p>

[Geothe]

<p><cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fitz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Solution: Adorner Recipe (450) Convert one raid shard into two heroic shards. Convert eight heroic shards into one raid shard. That way, people doing the X2 and a bunch of instances can still adorn their red slots, and raiders can use their raid shards for yellows.</blockquote><p>Heroic Shards should not convert into raid shards, sorry.However, the end boss in the x2 SHOULD drop raid shard.</p></blockquote><p>If you can convert them down, you should beable to convert them up.</p><p>Otherwise it makes no sense in lore or gameplay.</p></blockquote><p>It makes complete sense.Raid shards are to adorn red slot gear.  No HEROIC gear drops that has red slots.  Only Raids drop red slot gear.Hard Mode raid gear ALSO has yellow slots.  The raiding play-style should provide a means to adorn all the gear it drops, including yellow slots.  So either include both shard types on hard mode mobs, or provide a 1:1 conversion of raid shards into regular shards.Heroic content already provides all the shards needed to adorn the gear that drops from heroic content.  There is zero justification to convert up heroic into raid shards.</p>

[Luhai]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Raid shards are to adorn red slot gear.  No HEROIC gear drops that has red slots.  Only Raids drop red slot gear.</p></blockquote><p>This is not correct. The craftable items from the"Aspect of War" drop in the heroic Drunder instances do indeed have a red slot.</p><p>So, as much as I hate to say it - he does have a point this time.</p>

[Fitz]

It's hard to say what's balanced. 1) Should bosses in the X2 drop raid shards, even though their difficulty is trivial when compared to X4? 2) Should X2 bosses (Tserrina, etc) drop them? Or red adorns? If the answer to both is no, then a conversion from heroic to raid shards is needed. 8:1 isn't unrealistic either, since that's 40 heroic shards for one adorn that drops every fight for raids. Furthermore, the great runes wouldn't be available anyway, as heroic content wouldn't unlock them. As a raider, I really don't see an issue with balance. Raiders get their shards, heroic players get theirs. A heroic player deserves to adorn the X2 gear with a good rune.

[Magnis]

<p>yes please do this, let me trade heroic shards for raid shards.  Cudos with the idea its great. </p>

[Davngr1]

<p>all this thread will achive is having red slots removed from any and all non-x4 gear.   is that really what you want?</p>

[ffd700]

<p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all this thread will achive is having red slots removed from any and all non-x4 gear.   is that really what you want?</p></blockquote><p>They shouldn't have had them to begin with then, if there wasn't a way to get the raid shards outside of x4s.  Look at the Drunder x2, all those patterns have red slots and only the final named drops a raid shard?</p><p>The least they could do is allow a yellow adornment in a red slot.</p>

[Prrasha]

<p><cite>ffd700 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all this thread will achive is having red slots removed from any and all non-x4 gear.   is that really what you want?</p></blockquote><p>They shouldn't have had them to begin with then, if there wasn't a way to get the raid shards outside of x4s.</p></blockquote><p>You can get red adornments solo, at level 86, without even setting foot in a dungeon.  Just run a PQ.</p><p>I've got, I think, 3 red adorns from back when the Storm Gorge didn't give you a loot-choice box, just a "here's a random adornment, hope ya like it!" window.</p>

[ffd700]

<p><cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ffd700 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all this thread will achive is having red slots removed from any and all non-x4 gear.   is that really what you want?</p></blockquote><p>They shouldn't have had them to begin with then, if there wasn't a way to get the raid shards outside of x4s.</p></blockquote><p>You can get red adornments solo, at level 86, without even setting foot in a dungeon.  Just run a PQ.</p><p>I've got, I think, 3 red adorns from back when the Storm Gorge didn't give you a loot-choice box, just a "here's a random adornment, hope ya like it!" window.</p></blockquote><p>Too bad those can't be put on any of the drunder x2 armor pieces with red slots.</p>

[Surculus]

<p>I think we should still need to run the heroic zones for the white shards but can we atleast have another way of using the Pure Primals? Being able to buy gear with them like in SF was nice.</p>

[Fitz]

At least you can still put SF red adorns into drunder gear, which helps you absolutely zero if you didn't raid then either.

[Prrasha]

<p><cite>ffd700 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ffd700 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>all this thread will achive is having red slots removed from any and all non-x4 gear.   is that really what you want?</p></blockquote><p>They shouldn't have had them to begin with then, if there wasn't a way to get the raid shards outside of x4s.</p></blockquote><p>You can get red adornments solo, at level 86, without even setting foot in a dungeon.  Just run a PQ.</p><p>I've got, I think, 3 red adorns from back when the Storm Gorge didn't give you a loot-choice box, just a "here's a random adornment, hope ya like it!" window.</p></blockquote><p>Too bad those can't be put on any of the drunder x2 armor pieces with red slots.</p></blockquote><p>The thread isn't just about armor, the "aspect of war" crafted charms were mentioned earlier in the thread as well.</p>

[Amanathia]

<p>Ehhh, meh, I'd say nahhh to being able to trade, honestly.  And trading heroic for raid shards is kinda silly cuz really if you have gear with red adorns, you have more than enough.  I have dozens more pure primal shards than i need, lol.</p><p>Now, perhaps you shuld be able to buy yellow adorns with raid shards.  Though trading them two for one or something wouldn't really be a problem, would give us somethning to do with tthe dozens of raid shards we have that sit around for nothing...but it'd also let us get ry'gorr armor super easily for alts, which might not be a desired outcome for the community.  Hafta lol at ppl who think raiders don't ever group with "casuals" though.  Least on our server they do all the time!</p><p>I really think a better solution would be to consider the following, though:</p><p>1.  Make x2 bosses drop a heroic shard each (and final boss drop a raid shard)...why don't they, seriously?</p>