Brigands

[Auxillery]

<p><strong><em>Brigand</em></strong></p><ul><li><strong>Enhance: Sneak now also improves Stealth movement speed while Sneak is active. </strong></li><li>Enhance: Shadow Slip now also improves the <strong>threat reduction</strong> amount of Shadow Slip.</li></ul><p><em><strong>Swashbuckler</strong></em></p><ul><li>Enhance: Inspired Daring now also improves the <strong>Crit Bonus</strong> of Daring Attack. </li><li>Enhance: En Garde now also improves the <strong>Crit Bonus</strong> of Counterattack. </li><li><strong>Enhance: Sneak now also improves Stealth movement speed while Sneak is active.</strong></li></ul><p>1. Alright sony why do you like messing with the rogues and in fact the brigands the most? I mean rogues are NOT tanks... We do NOT need extra mitigation from our AA lines or hate increase/decrease from the Heroic tree. If you want us to tank then let tank shields be usable by rogues.</p><p>2. This is what happened with the RANGER vs Assassin complaint. Swashys get crit bonus on their 5 temps and brigs get... NOTHING. I mean come on brigand has to be the most unwanted class and all we are used for is Dispatch, we can't even dps higher than a swashy with app 1s.</p>

[Fauztin]

<p>i'm quite surprised there's even someone who noticed, beside me =P</p><p>it's just disgusting what Soe is doing to us SINCE T6! the only good changes for our class are the ones, that are shared with the swash.the main problem between both classes is the fact, that swash outparse brigs on multi encounters by far AND parse quite similar to brigs on single mobs. with the planned changes the gap is getting even bigger.as far as i understand the classes, brigs are better on single targets, swashs on groups. but right now swash provide simply the better DPS on any encounter. adding CB on short term buffs (where brigs not even have an equivalent) is not solving this problem. especially not, when seeing what the brig gets instead (seriously, deaggro? what the heck?!?).right now ur trying to tell me, that defensive debuffs have much more impact than offensive debuffs and therefor giving the swash DPS instead.i mean the hp-debuffs give us a guaranteed raid slot, thats not the point. but we're slowly descending in parses, since we only have the choice between utility OR dps. additionally we get useless things with the revamp there the swash gets desireable CB upgrade on spells. with the upcoming "overcap bonuses" the brig even falls more behind, since we're the only scouts who don't buff dps oder haste themselves. the swash at least has the opportunity to spec their haste and dps short buffs.instead giving us an debuff aoe (cornered), i would appreciate something more in line with our playstyle than an aoe which only does moderate dmg/debuff. skill debuffs (defense, parry, deflection) don't do anything good to our hitrates since accuracy was introduced. these need to be changed to maybe something like block chance reduction or added strikethrough for short periods of time. just something that actually affects hitrates. same for swashs here but the offensive versions of those debuffs.</p>

[Nevao]

<p><cite>Fauztin@Valor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i'm quite surprised there's even someone who noticed, beside me =P</p><p>it's just disgusting what Soe is doing to us SINCE T6! the only good changes for our class are the ones, that are shared with the swash.the main problem between both classes is the fact, that swash outparse brigs on multi encounters by far AND parse quite similar to brigs on single mobs. with the planned changes the gap is getting even bigger.as far as i understand the classes, brigs are better on single targets, swashs on groups. but right now swash provide simply the better DPS on any encounter. adding CB on short term buffs (where brigs not even have an equivalent) is not solving this problem. especially not, when seeing what the brig gets instead (seriously, deaggro? what the heck?!?).right now ur trying to tell me, that defensive debuffs have much more impact than offensive debuffs and therefor giving the swash DPS instead.i mean the hp-debuffs give us a guaranteed raid slot, thats not the point. but we're slowly descending in parses, since we only have the choice between utility OR dps. additionally we get useless things with the revamp there the swash gets desireable CB upgrade on spells. with the upcoming "overcap bonuses" the brig even falls more behind, since we're the only scouts who don't buff dps oder haste themselves. the swash at least has the opportunity to spec their haste and dps short buffs.instead giving us an debuff aoe (cornered), i would appreciate something more in line with our playstyle than an aoe which only does moderate dmg/debuff. skill debuffs (defense, parry, deflection) don't do anything good to our hitrates since accuracy was introduced. these need to be changed to maybe something like block chance reduction or added strikethrough for short periods of time. just something that actually affects hitrates. same for swashs here but the offensive versions of those debuffs.</p></blockquote><p>1) Capitalization and Paragraphs, they make rants legible</p><p>2) I really wish Xelgad would take two minutes to explain this himself, but if you look at what's being changed it's obviously not a balance attempt (as they have had many things to your point that slightly skew with the class balances). Instead they are touch AAs that are potentially useless due to the ability to "cap" said stat and adding a secondary effect. In this case Reuse and Casting Speed. They had four, we only had two. In this case we drew the short straw.</p><p>3) The more I play with it I do agree that on the Overcap issue we are falling behind the curve due to the lack of haste/dsp passive buffs, though we at least do have our temp buffs (like every other DPS scout /sigh). Unfortunately it does not look like they are looking at class balance effects on the overcap.</p><p>4) I have to respectfully disagree on Cornered. It fits perfectly with the class. My only complaint is I wish the debuff lasted longer.</p><p>And with respect to the OP I hope you're talking about PuGs becuase Brigs are actually fairly important to raiding. Not having one significantly hurts raid wide DPS.</p>

[Miapa]

<p>Brigands should have a bonus to Flurry through AA in their temp buffs.  Brigands should outmatch or even be on par with Swashbucklers on single-target DPS since Swashbuckler beat Brigands hands-down with AoE dps.</p>

[Oneeyejackcb]

<p>I agree omg all rogues should be the same...all warriors should be the same...all clerics  should be the same...so on and so forth...there should be a big fat 0 diff between the two nope never ever should be any difference. I demand it. That is what EQ2 has come down to. OMG my counter class is better then me on this I want this to fix it...plz</p>

[Octaviun]

<p>We have always had to work harder to be better, such is the life of a Brigand. You either love it or hate it, if you prefer not to work hard and try unconventional approaches to increasing your DPS --> the easy road to queerville is only a betray away...</p>

[lordxaveir2000]

<p><cite>Ruinblood@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><em>Brigand</em></strong></p><ul><li><strong>Enhance: Sneak now also improves Stealth movement speed while Sneak is active. </strong></li><li>Enhance: Shadow Slip now also improves the <strong>threat reduction</strong> amount of Shadow Slip.</li></ul><p><em><strong>Swashbuckler</strong></em></p><ul><li>Enhance: Inspired Daring now also improves the <strong>Crit Bonus</strong> of Daring Attack. </li><li>Enhance: En Garde now also improves the <strong>Crit Bonus</strong> of Counterattack. </li><li><strong>Enhance: Sneak now also improves Stealth movement speed while Sneak is active.</strong></li></ul><p>1. Alright sony why do you like messing with the rogues and in fact the brigands the most? I mean rogues are NOT tanks... We do NOT need extra mitigation from our AA lines or hate increase/decrease from the Heroic tree. If you want us to tank then let tank shields be usable by rogues.</p><p>2. This is what happened with the RANGER vs Assassin complaint. Swashys get crit bonus on their 5 temps and brigs get... NOTHING. I mean come on brigand has to be the most unwanted class and all we are used for is Dispatch, we can't even dps higher than a swashy with app 1s.</p></blockquote><p> Yes I play a raiding Brig...</p><p>1) The added CB on those affects only increase the proc..... not the swashes overall CB. Although I agree what they get is better, it will not be that big of a deal.</p><p>2) Like cib said its not a balance attempt. </p><p>3) I agree we are falling behind on haste/dps and single target dps compared to a swash.</p><p>@<span style="color: #afc2d2; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; background-color: #000000;"><strong>satan01</strong></span></p><p>What you wrote made my eyes bleed.</p><p>1) Cornered is a really good AoE ca ( also I have had cornered hit 8 targets for 94k+)(Cornered for brigs like Terrel in NPU is like 120k+ on up to 8 targets)</p><p>2) We did get a nice change to the brig that was not shared ........ Thieves guild is alot better now and offers some utility</p><p>3)I agree that brigs need help.... Our single target dps would need to be raised this would be an easy fix for sony by uping the dmg on ca's that are not shared with the swash.</p><p>4) Hate as a brig is insane and I welcome anything that will help us control it better.... If I dont have a pally with amends on me Hate is a real issue..... </p><p> @<span style="color: #afc2d2; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; background-color: #000000;"><strong>Oneeyejackcb</strong></span></p><p>You sir are a m*ron(Censored word lol). Who asked for all classes to be the same ? All I see being asked is that the brigs get some love. </p><p>To break it down for you.</p><p>Brig single target dps </p><p>Swash Aoe dps </p><p>But at this time swashes are better at both and thats the simple truth and issue.</p><p>If you do not agree then fine, but do not troll a thread thats here for people that play the brig to give feedback.</p><p>My only issue with TG is the focus you get with armor being the 10% cast speed ...... It should be an effect on the brig for 15% hate reduction or something like that... I always put it on the assassin and if hes to far away it goes on the swash so 10% cast speed isnt really helping them either. </p>

[Davngr1]

<p>my brig does really need some help on the AA department.   many of his AA are useless, any chance we could change enhance: vitality poison to enchance: double up and have it increase double up recorder duration by .5 seconds with each rank?   or at the very least allow tenure to modifie double up recorder?</p><p>  i feel having a solid 5 seconds to record double up damage would be a great way to fix useless AA and bring some fun to this class with out any overpowering issues what so ever.</p>

[Surculus]

<p><cite>Octaviun@Unrest_old wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We have always had to work harder to be better, such is the life of a Brigand. You either love it or hate it, if you prefer not to work hard and try unconventional approaches to increasing your DPS --> the easy road to queerville is only a betray away...</p></blockquote><p>Agreed 100%. You want Brigand's to be like a Swash? Go play a Swash. You want easy? Ggo play a Swash. Brigand's may be lacking behind but I don't let that be a bad thing, just rise to the challenge and shut the <a href="mailto:!@$%">!@$%</a> up, or go play Swash.</p>

[Fauztin]

<blockquote><p>4) Hate as a brig is insane and I welcome anything that will help us control it better.... If I dont have a pally with amends on me Hate is a real issue..... </p></blockquote><p>yeah sure, it sometimes seems, that we're doing more hate than dps =D but tbh, i'm raiding with my brig since beginning of RoK and the only times i'm struggeling with hate, is when our coercer's running out of con and can't spare a link. of course t1 comes first on that.oh and i haven't complained about uniqueness or something, we already have great class-defining skills, like TG and our awesome AR, but those don't do anything good to our grp.</p><p>--</p><p>personally, i'd be happy with not getting a single bit of extra dps, if the devs would make our debuffs worthwhile. i mean most of them don't do a thing due to current game mechanics. our debuffs should raise hitrates of the entire raid (thats what they did back in the days), but since several years they don't do that anymore. make them more like block chance debuffs or something that actually affects hitrates (grpwide accuracy for example, would also adress the utility thing). def skills of mobs no longer determine hitrates of the raid.some utility would be nice too, something that people acutally want to have us in grps over (or at least equal to) a swash. right now all raidleaders wish to have a 25th raid slot, where they can put us. nobody but ourselves is really interested in our dps (and to buff us), tg can be cast raidwide and we don't bring any other thing to a grp besides cb/abi-mod siphon (which can't be considered due to the fact that is's not permanently on the mob/grp AND the swash has the exact same).</p><p>if they leave the debuffs the way they are, they GOT to admit, that we need extra dps to compensate for the uselessness of debuffs, like they did at swashs. they always gets extra dps while we get some special thing like runspeed while cloaked /meeeh. correct me, but now we have 3 aa-skills doing the same.furthermore swash has more utility than the brig, at least through hate xfer and grp-aoe-prevent. don't get me wrong, i don't want such things. i like how TG is working and u actually have to do something, to get it proc. not just a plain buff like the ones from our afk buffbots.giving brigandish debuffs to all the other classes (like SOE does for quite some time) doesn't do us a favour and slowly kills our raidspot. basically, all i need to do on a mob is apply my hp-debuffs and wait for the mob to die by the others.it only needs minor tweaks to get us on par with the swash ST-wise, like giving us a perma dps or haste buff to compensate the 300ish dps of a swash (not to mention preds). the brig is one the shortend when looking at overcap conversion. even the troub is getting more bonusses out of those stats.personally i wish double up to be more like VC. i love the way VC works. i'd like to see an aa that makes DU work like that and lengthen the recordtime from 2 to idk 5secs. this simple change would bring us back to where we belong, compared to ST-dmg of a swash AND it would leave the swash where he belongs aoe-wise. also the t1 dd would stay in front of us, like its meant to be. but u really have to do something about the rising dps-gap between both rouges or do something about the also rising redundancy of our debuffs. a raid of well-played chars doesn't need a brig to debuff restist, they cap debuffs on their own. only reason to stick with us are the hp debuffs, which is the only advantage our class has to offer right now.</p><p>edit: CoE actually behaves like a spell. it SDAs with timewarp and can't be cast on the run. this needs a fix and due to the low dmg, it should doubled.</p>