Tokens of Loyalty for crafters too please!

[bohohoboprobono]

<p>Yeah, many of the crafting recipes are available and Heirloom.  But I'd rather not tediously grind faction for each and every one of my characters.  A faction grind can be fun and rewarding -- once.  Past that, it's needless tedium.</p><p>Thurgadin Forgemasters should absolutely be added to the list of available Tokens of Loyalty.  Adventurers can "share" their capped faction grind with all their characters.  Crafters should be able to as well.</p><p>Also, if other Tokens of Loyalty are being made (for older content, for instance), please remember to make the crafter versions of those factions available for purchase as well.</p><p>Thanks!</p>

[Cyliena]

<p>I agree, this would be nice, especially for older content. Thurgadin isn't too bad but I have raised it to 40k three times already. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gneaux]

<p>While we are on the subject of Tokens of Loyalty for crafters, I'd like to add to the list:</p><p>Far Seas Supply Division</p><p>Bathezid' Watch</p><p>Rillis</p><p>Legion of Danak</p><p>(I remember grinding writs and faction the hard, old fashion way on 9 crafters to get Master Crafter, The Earring of Solstice, and the needed t8 rares. Did I mention I did this on a pvp server when the level span range "unlimited"?)</p><p>Guktan Guard</p><p>Tupta</p><p>Grobb</p><p>(You know the drill, had to do The Ship Out quest on 9 crafters,, pvp server, again, unlimited level range, and wanted to be able to make all the faction furniture, which meant either having a high level adventurer, OR grinding the daily crafting missions)</p><p>Kerra Isle Outfitters</p><p>Hua Mein Crafters</p><p>Researchers of Quel'Ule</p><p>Paineel Craftkeepers</p><p>(Rinse, repeat)</p><p>Court of Blades</p><p>Court of Truth</p><p>Court of Coin</p><p>(I can't tell you what a PITA it is to blow up guards to get coins to turn in for faction to buy Ancient Teaching recipes and Advanced recipe books for level 50-59 for as many crafters as I have)</p><p>Othimir Artisan's</p><p>Forgemasters of Thurgadin</p><p>Snowfang Gnolls</p><p>I must REALLY LOVE crafting. I have 22 toons on my account,, all crafters, and let me tell you,, I would LOVE to be able to get Tokens of Loyalty for crafters because it will give my current guildies incentive to level up all their crafters without the unnecessary, boring, tedium I went through in leveling all mine. It will free us up to accomplish reaching "end game" adventuring on more of our toons, which from the Fan Faire recap, seems to be the direction we are all getting pushed towards anyways. Great for me, albiet a little slow going up until now, as I have had to hold back alot of my adventuring to help get my guildies get caught up in all aspects of what this game offers. </p>

[Liandra]

<p><cite>bohohoboprobono wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thurgadin Forgemasters should absolutely be added to the list of available Tokens of Loyalty.  Adventurers can "share" their capped faction grind with all their characters.  Crafters should be able to as well.</p></blockquote><p>Actually Thurg Crafters is one I would be amazed if they did add.  It is part of the shawl HQ and making it easier to get the faction would make the HQ much too simple.  Likewise Bath Watch is needed for the crafter epic (aka Earring of the solstice) so i would be surprised if they added that one.</p><p>Grinding faction to unlock merchant items/recipes is one thing and in those cases a token might be appropriate.  Grinding faction to unlock quests is something totally different so for those a token would be a bad idea in my opinion.</p><p>Besides most of the recipes sold by your examples are now heirloom so once you have the faction on one toon you can buy the recipes for your others.  I guess for PvP you would need one toon on each faction but that is part of the price you pay for playing PvP.</p>

[Illmarr]

<p><cite>Liandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bohohoboprobono wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thurgadin Forgemasters should absolutely be added to the list of available Tokens of Loyalty.  Adventurers can "share" their capped faction grind with all their characters.  Crafters should be able to as well.</p></blockquote><p>Actually Thurg Crafters is one I would be amazed if they did add.  It is part of the shawl HQ and making it easier to get the faction would make the HQ much too simple.  Likewise Bath Watch is needed for the crafter epic (aka Earring of the solstice) so i would be surprised if they added that one.</p><p>Grinding faction to unlock merchant items/recipes is one thing and in those cases a token might be appropriate.  Grinding faction to unlock quests is something totally different so for those a token would be a bad idea in my opinion.</p><p>Besides most of the recipes sold by your examples are now heirloom so once you have the faction on one toon you can buy the recipes for your others.  I guess for PvP you would need one toon on each faction but that is part of the price you pay for playing PvP.</p></blockquote><p>I'm against the entire Token of Loyalty plan period, and I have several lower level alts who will need to go through the grind that would benefit when this change does go live. That said, several Epic weapon quests involve buying an item from Kunark faction merchants, so it will already possible to unlock quests via faction when it goes live. If we must make an easy button for adventure factions it is only fair for it to apply to tradeskill ones as well.</p>

[Prrasha]

<p>No faction tokens to shortcut quests, please.</p><p>The two tokens they've added are really just to let you buy Thurg/RyGorr armor for all your alts, without having to list all 24x6 pieces on the merchant.  The only "unintended" consequence I see is getting into the daily-one-shard mission earlier (since that requires 10K Thurgadin faction.)  And I'd be cool with them changing the in for the daily from "10K faction" to "completion of the longest Thurgadin questline" to compensate.</p><p>If you want your armor crafted (rather than bought for extra shards), the tokens add almost nothing... other than the three non-armor pieces sold by the RyGorr armor merchant, everything else was already heirloom.  So the tokens give you those three items, plus an early in for the daily shard quest.  Woo.  Not even comparable to shortcutting the "faction grind" portion of the Prayer Shawl/Sledgemallet/etc questlines.</p>

[d1anaw]

<p><cite>Gneaux@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While we are on the subject of Tokens of Loyalty for crafters, I'd like to add to the list:</p><p>Far Seas Supply Division</p><p>Bathezid' Watch</p><p>Rillis</p><p>Legion of Danak</p><p>(I remember grinding writs and faction the hard, old fashion way on 9 crafters to get Master Crafter, The Earring of Solstice, and the needed t8 rares. Did I mention I did this on a pvp server when the level span range "unlimited"?)</p><p>Guktan Guard</p><p>Tupta</p><p>Grobb</p><p>(You know the drill, had to do The Ship Out quest on 9 crafters,, pvp server, again, unlimited level range, and wanted to be able to make all the faction furniture, which meant either having a high level adventurer, OR grinding the daily crafting missions)</p><p>Kerra Isle Outfitters</p><p>Hua Mein Crafters</p><p>Researchers of Quel'Ule</p><p>Paineel Craftkeepers</p><p>(Rinse, repeat)</p><p>Court of Blades</p><p>Court of Truth</p><p>Court of Coin</p><p>(I can't tell you what a PITA it is to blow up guards to get coins to turn in for faction to buy Ancient Teaching recipes and Advanced recipe books for level 50-59 for as many crafters as I have)</p><p>Othimir Artisan's</p><p>Forgemasters of Thurgadin</p><p>Snowfang Gnolls</p><p>I must REALLY LOVE crafting. I have 22 toons on my account,, all crafters, and let me tell you,, I would LOVE to be able to get Tokens of Loyalty for crafters because it will give my current guildies incentive to level up all their crafters without the unnecessary, boring, tedium I went through in leveling all mine. It will free us up to accomplish reaching "end game" adventuring on more of our toons, which from the Fan Faire recap, seems to be the direction we are all getting pushed towards anyways. Great for me, albiet a little slow going up until now, as I have had to hold back alot of my adventuring to help get my guildies get caught up in all aspects of what this game offers. </p></blockquote><p>ESPECIALLY Bathizid. That was the worst one of all.</p>

[d1anaw]

<p><cite>Liandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bohohoboprobono wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thurgadin Forgemasters should absolutely be added to the list of available Tokens of Loyalty.  Adventurers can "share" their capped faction grind with all their characters.  Crafters should be able to as well.</p></blockquote><p>Actually Thurg Crafters is one I would be amazed if they did add.  It is part of the shawl HQ and making it easier to get the faction would make the HQ much too simple.  Likewise Bath Watch is needed for the crafter epic (aka Earring of the solstice) so i would be surprised if they added that one.</p><p>Grinding faction to unlock merchant items/recipes is one thing and in those cases a token might be appropriate.  Grinding faction to unlock quests is something totally different so for those a token would be a bad idea in my opinion.</p><p>Besides most of the recipes sold by your examples are now heirloom so once you have the faction on one toon you can buy the recipes for your others.  I guess for PvP you would need one toon on each faction but that is part of the price you pay for playing PvP.</p></blockquote><p>You could make that same argument about the speak as a dragon quest. It's a signature quest that you can now skip the tedium if you have already completed it. And it is a required quest for a number of further quests. I've completed the faction grinds on 5 different tradeskills. Of what benefit is it, to have to repeat it 4 more times?</p>

[slippery]

Having to do faction grinds over and over again just makes people not want to play the game. They think about doing it and they decide it isn't worth it and find something better to do with their time.

[urgthock]

<p><cite>Cisteros@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That said, several Epic weapon quests involve buying an item from Kunark faction merchants, <strong>so it will already possible to unlock quests via faction when it goes live</strong>. If we must make an easy button for adventure factions it is only fair for it to apply to tradeskill ones as well.</p></blockquote><p>Where are you getting this information from. I haven't seen anything stating that Tokens of Loyalty will be available for any faction(s) except Thurgadin and Ry'Gorr.</p>

[Illmarr]

<p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cisteros@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That said, several Epic weapon quests involve buying an item from Kunark faction merchants, <strong>so it will already possible to unlock quests via faction when it goes live</strong>. If we must make an easy button for adventure factions it is only fair for it to apply to tradeskill ones as well.</p></blockquote><p>Where are you getting this information from. I haven't seen anything stating that Tokens of Loyalty will be available for any faction(s) except Thurgadin and Ry'Gorr.</p></blockquote><p>You misunderstood me. My statement you bolded was in resopnse to someone's argument that allowing the Tokens to affect rtadeskill factions would mean people could unlock those factions needed for PotP and the Prayer Shawl quests through those tokens. My statement was that even if they go live as currently configured that people will be able to use them to bypass faction grinds needed for quests. I used the Epic questlines as an example to illustrate the point.</p><p>My assumption about them being made for older content stemmed from earlier posts in this thread where people were comming up with wishlists, so if that was wrong, then I guess my entire post can be summed up with "Nothing to see here, move along"</p>

[Tigress]

<p><cite>Liandra wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bohohoboprobono wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thurgadin Forgemasters should absolutely be added to the list of available Tokens of Loyalty.  Adventurers can "share" their capped faction grind with all their characters.  Crafters should be able to as well.</p></blockquote><p>Actually Thurg Crafters is one I would be amazed if they did add.  It is part of the shawl HQ and making it easier to get the faction would make the HQ much too simple.  Likewise Bath Watch is needed for the crafter epic (aka Earring of the solstice) so i would be surprised if they added that one.</p>((snipped))</blockquote><p>it would be the fair way to go.  why dont crafters deserve the loyalty token?  are crafters the despised step-child?? we already got shafted on the shadows tree & clearly, they dont care one iota abt crafters or else they would have unlocked row one and left the rest at their desired number of 50.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>prove me wrong, SOE, that you dont hate crafters!  grant us the token too (and line one of shadows tree while you are at it).</strong></span></p><p>FYI: bathezoid, you only need to get to -20K.  if someone brought it up to 40K, they went far beyond the requirements.</p>