Murra Sharr and an odd Idea

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">You all remember Murrar, Antonia's right hand a Live Event Pre-Sentinels Fate left him in a coma from being possessed? I have this weird notion that he be be waking up and might be the focal for the pre-AoD quest that reintroduces the Lore of the Beastlord.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Sorry if I put this in the wrong Sub-forum (no conspiracy theory forum), I literally woke up to type this...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">I wonder if this means I'll delete this when I wake up later <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></span></p>

[Cusashorn]

But... he's a ranger.

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>But... he's a ranger.</blockquote><p>No. He's a fighter. He wears plate armor. If he isn't a Paladin, I'd say he's a Guardian.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Meant a contact point for the spirit, He might not be one himself, just that he is a convient medium a Kerra and in a Coma due to possession (IE Damaged Spiritually) I don't believe his class comes into play.</span></p>

[Chiel]

If he's a Kerra it wouldn't necessarily help. You'd need a Vah Shir. We have plenty of Kerrans around who could have similar circumstances as Murrar so the only reason to have him involved is because he's an important NPC instead of some nameless person in the background. Now, I'm sometimes pretty terrible with lore and my memory, and I just woke up, but if someone could remind me...wasn't Murrar Shar supposed to be an actual Vah Shir? Or is he in fact just a Kerran?

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Kerra Vah Shir, the differnece is only as much as Human and Barbarian. </span></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>not exactly. Kerran against Vah shir or more like the difference between an erudite and a barbarian. and I'd still pay good money to get the Vah Shir back.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not exactly. Kerran against Vah shir or more like the difference between an erudite and a barbarian. and I'd still pay good money to get the Vah Shir back.</p></blockquote><p>Actually its less different than you think. According to Lore the Vah Shir stranded on Norrath supposidly married into Kerra families and created the modern day Kerra. Old EQ1 Kerra were about the size of wood elves (i.e. shorter than humans), and they all had black fur. Modern day Kerra come in a wide variety and are one of the tallest races in the game. Unfortunately the Vah Shir look must be a recessive gene because there are no tigre or lion based looks that would be common for the Vah Shir.</p><p>Personally I'd rather see the old Euradite look come back before seeing Vah Shir. Somehow old school euradites are joining the brotherhood and helping in Velious, I don't see why they couldn't become playable. Heck, the art is mostly done!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Ulgrim@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>But... he's a ranger.</blockquote><p>No. He's a fighter. He wears plate armor. If he isn't a Paladin, I'd say he's a Guardian.</p></blockquote><p>Oh that's right, I was thinking of Dancer up in Tenebrous Tangle.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I want vah shir back to see a feline race that actually looks feline and not like a gorrila. and second, in eq1 there were a wide variety of kerra looks. tawny and the grey color. the Shir were the only ones with solid black looks as they were all based of big cats. 'tigers/mountain lion/lion/panther/cheetah) with the exception of that siamese cat look.</p><p>but like I mean the kerrans are a 3rd generation. Vah Shir are the oldest. they were th eupper crust nobility, the strongest and the brightest before they got sent to luclin, then you had the Kerra....then kerra interbreding with Vah Shir got those gorrila looking things we call Kerran.</p><p>Though personally, if I was a Vah, I'd stick to the Vah left. no way would I have touched one of those short bow legged Kerra with a ten foot pole.</p>

[troodon311]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>but like I mean the kerrans are a 3rd generation. Vah Shir are the oldest. they were th eupper crust nobility, the strongest and the brightest before they got sent to luclin, then you had the Kerra....then kerra interbreding with Vah Shir got those gorrila looking things we call Kerran.</p></blockquote><p>And since true Kerra were scrawny, hunched over chimp-looking creatures, the Kerra we have obviously didn't get their gorilla-ness from them... it makes you wonder how incredibly gorilla-like actual Vah'Shir would be if they were reintroduced into EQ2 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

How do you get "chimpanzee" out of "scrawny house cat"? Blame the fact that they're a bi-pedal humanoid creatures who obviously have to have some way of swallowing and breathing while standing upright for the gorilla appearances.

[Arbreth]

<p>I keep wondering where on Norrath you think EQ2 Kerra look like gorrillas?  My Arbreth stands upright and has a muzzle.  TO me her ancestors in EQ1 (Kerra as well as the Vah Shir) look more gorilla like.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not exactly. Kerran against Vah shir or more like the difference between an erudite and a barbarian. and I'd still pay good money to get the Vah Shir back.</p></blockquote><p>Actually its less different than you think. According to Lore the Vah Shir stranded on Norrath supposidly married into Kerra families and created the modern day Kerra. Old EQ1 Kerra were about the size of wood elves (i.e. shorter than humans), and they all had black fur. Modern day Kerra come in a wide variety and are one of the tallest races in the game. Unfortunately the Vah Shir look must be a recessive gene because there are no tigre or lion based looks that would be common for the Vah Shir.</p><p>Personally I'd rather see the old Euradite look come back before seeing Vah Shir. Somehow old school euradites are joining the brotherhood and helping in Velious, I don't see why they couldn't become playable. Heck, the art is mostly done!</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">That's odd, My Kerra Provisoner/Mystic <em>Sentaiga Iceclaw</em> has a Tiger appearance.</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not exactly. Kerran against Vah shir or more like the difference between an erudite and a barbarian. and I'd still pay good money to get the Vah Shir back.</p></blockquote><p>Actually its less different than you think. According to Lore the Vah Shir stranded on Norrath supposidly married into Kerra families and created the modern day Kerra. Old EQ1 Kerra were about the size of wood elves (i.e. shorter than humans), and they all had black fur. Modern day Kerra come in a wide variety and are one of the tallest races in the game. Unfortunately the Vah Shir look must be a recessive gene because there are no tigre or lion based looks that would be common for the Vah Shir.</p><p>Personally I'd rather see the old Euradite look come back before seeing Vah Shir. Somehow old school euradites are joining the brotherhood and helping in Velious, I don't see why they couldn't become playable. Heck, the art is mostly done!</p></blockquote><p>Same reason why the Coldain aren't an option - The models don't share all the same animations as the player races.</p>

[troodon311]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>How do you get "chimpanzee" out of "scrawny house cat"? </blockquote><p>I was keeping with the ape motif.  Like Arbreth, I don't think the EQ2 Kerra look much like gorillas either.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>not exactly. Kerran against Vah shir or more like the difference between an erudite and a barbarian. and I'd still pay good money to get the Vah Shir back.</p></blockquote><p>Actually its less different than you think. According to Lore the Vah Shir stranded on Norrath supposidly married into Kerra families and created the modern day Kerra. Old EQ1 Kerra were about the size of wood elves (i.e. shorter than humans), and they all had black fur. Modern day Kerra come in a wide variety and are one of the tallest races in the game. Unfortunately the Vah Shir look must be a recessive gene because there are no tigre or lion based looks that would be common for the Vah Shir.</p><p>Personally I'd rather see the old Euradite look come back before seeing Vah Shir. Somehow old school euradites are joining the brotherhood and helping in Velious, I don't see why they couldn't become playable. Heck, the art is mostly done!</p></blockquote><p>Same reason why the Coldain aren't an option - The models don't share all the same animations as the player races.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Bah they don't have the beards to be a Player Race! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Yeah the old Kerra had a Hunched-over half-evolved look to them.</span></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>there was a post in look and feel that actually broke down the structure to the Kerra head and body and basically proved they are more like gorrillas in form then cats.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Anyway, back on topic, I find it unlikely that Murrar would become the person to whom the whole world would learn about the lost arts of the Beastlord. If he was, then he would have no reason to tell anyone outside of the highest, most trusted members of Antonia's royal guard. This is something that everyone all over the world will learn about. Remember, when Quellious blessed Master Puab Closk with the knowledge of Arcane Combat, he went straight to Qeynos to tell the ruling council and the high guard. Eventually the knowledge was passed down to other people who could be trusted, and Lucan D'Lere and Freeport learned about it by torturing some monks until he told them. If the lost art of the Beastlord is suddenly going to return to one person, then I don't see there being some time period where one side of Norrath or another wouldn't know about it. It's a neutral class anyway, so it'll probably be someone who isn't affiliated with any city or faction.

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Unless he was sent to some Villa to recover close to nature once he woke up and then encountered the spirit, as for the evils, you just KNOW Lucan or Christanos are likely to have a spy there to also talk to the spirit. Possibly even an Agent of Gorowyn there on a Diplomatic mission.</span></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Unless he was sent to some Villa to recover close to nature once he woke up and then encountered the spirit, as for the evils, you just KNOW Lucan or Christanos are likely to have a spy there to also talk to the spirit. Possibly even an Agent of Gorowyn there on a Diplomatic mission.</span></p></blockquote><p>Or maybe the Choke'mon Masters of Gorowyn accidently discover something useful and before anyone quite realizes what is going on you've got Beast Lords popping up in all the starter cities, with the Gorowin Four starting the Grand Tournment to determine the strongest Beast Lords in the league...er...land!</p>

[Cusashorn]

^ You know, that actually makes sense.

[Cocytus]

<p>Oh, I was going to say, who gives a ****, because he's kerran and everybody knows they're terrible. But if he's Vah SHir, that's a whole different story. Is it true?(I'm not being sarcastic, fyi.)</p>

[Cusashorn]

No, he's 100% mongrel Kerran

[Rainmare]

<p>Murrar is a Kerran, not a Vah Shir, I believe.</p>

[Cusashorn]

If he was a true Vah Shir, it would be a pretty significant detail for the game to need to point out since the very start.

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I think a Vah Shir-Kerra would be taller and more Bulky then a Mixed-Kerra</span>.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I think a Vah Shir-Kerra would be taller and more Bulky then a Mixed-Kerra</span>.</p></blockquote><p>I think we covered this earlier when we mentioned that pre-shattering kerra were about wood elf sized and petite. Most of them had solid black pelts. Modern day Kerra don't look like the pre-shattering kerra at all. In a way, the change in them is as extreme as the change from pre-shattering Euradites to the greys we have walking around now.</p><p>Modern day Kerra are one of the tallest races in the game. While they arn't as bulky as Vah Shir they come in a solid 4th on that scale, behind Ogres, Barbarians and Trolls. If you look at old school Ogres and Trolls, both of those races slimmed down considerably too.</p><p>All in all, it is a reasonable story to say why there is now so much variation in Kerra and no Vah Shir. It doesn't make 100% sense, but its close enough.</p>

[troodon311]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Most of them had solid black pelts.</blockquote><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Kerra%20Isle/EQ000485.jpg" width="800" height="600" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Modern day Kerra are one of the tallest races in the game. While they arn't as bulky as Vah Shir they come in a solid 4th on that scale, behind Ogres, Barbarians and Trolls. If you look at old school Ogres and Trolls, both of those races slimmed down considerably too.</p></blockquote><p>The current racial heights are:</p><p>Female Sarnaks > Ogres = Male Sarnaks > Trolls > Barbarians > Kerra = Vah Shir > everyone else. They're one of the taller races, but far from the tallest.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>Ulgrim@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>But... he's a ranger.</blockquote><p>No. He's a fighter. He wears plate armor. If he isn't a Paladin, I'd say he's a Guardian.</p></blockquote><p>Am pretty sure he <em>is</em> a Guardian. If I remember correctly, he had the guard buff on the newbie isle.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>For nostalgia's sake</p><p><img src="http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr232/BluSnoBear/MemoriesofSharVhal.jpg" /></p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For nostalgia's sake</p></blockquote><p>Very pretty screenshot there! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Here's one of the few I found in my collection:</p><p><img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/r93cxw.jpg" width="482" height="433" /></p><p>I do have to agree that he looks like a Guardian!</p>

[Cusashorn]

Oh for goodness sake, I already admitted I was thinking of a different character way up earlier in the thread...

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Oh for goodness sake, I already admitted I was thinking of a different character way up earlier in the thread...</blockquote><p>LOL</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Aglorious]

<p>Nice screens , i miss soo much the start isle <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i wish me that zone back..</p>

[Slayan]

<p><cite>Aglorious@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nice screens , i miss soo much the start isle <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> i wish me that zone back..</p></blockquote><p>I still have a toon on the old Start Isle, I play it from time to time just for old time sake. When they said that they were doing to stop using it I left him there. The zone is still up but you cant get to it now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[WeatherMan]

<p><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oh, I was going to say, who gives a ****, because he's kerran and everybody knows they're terrible. But if he's Vah SHir, that's a whole different story. Is it true?(I'm not being sarcastic, fyi.)</p></blockquote><p>For what it's worth, I share your sentiment.  I immensely dislike the kerra as presented.  They stuck the appearance right in that unpleasant halfway point that looks...wrong.  They should have tilted further to the Vah Shir look, or made them more human-ish looking.  The way they look now is just...barf.  If you're going to cater to the tastes of the ailurophiles in the player base, give them <em><strong>cats</strong></em>.  Not smash-face cat-mutant thingies.</p><p>And we did just fine in Norrath of yesteryear without kerrans.  This is the time of the ratonga.  Frogloks (who I admit I don't much like, either) can be the bridge across the years.</p><p>Kerra.  Barf.</p>

[Rorasis]

<p><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For nostalgia's sake</p><p><img src="http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr232/BluSnoBear/MemoriesofSharVhal.jpg" /></p></blockquote><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>Rebaleo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p></blockquote><p>I must be a hoarder, because it took me about 5 minutes to find a couple of Vah Shir pics I had saved. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><a href="http://i52.tinypic.com/wvpees.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i52.tinypic.com/wvpees.jpg</a> (this one is bigger so just linking)</p><p><img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/o8ifm1.jpg" width="364" height="562" /></p><p>My Mage illusioned as a Vah Shir by an Enchanter.</p><p>.... why are we talking about Vah Shir again? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Cyliena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rebaleo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p></blockquote><p>I must be a hoarder, because it took me about 5 minutes to find a couple of Vah Shir pics I had saved. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://i52.tinypic.com/wvpees.jpg" target="_blank">http://i52.tinypic.com/wvpees.jpg</a> (this one is bigger so just linking)</p><p><img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/o8ifm1.jpg" width="364" height="562" /></p><p>My Mage illusioned as a Vah Shir by an Enchanter.</p><p>.... why are we talking about Vah Shir again? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">It's in relation to the Beastlords, To tell the truth the only REAL difference I see between the Vah Shir and Kerra is that they tend to be lankier [Kerra] and have sligthly more feline feet[Vah Shir] (okay that and the feet of the Vah Shir  Females are actually are also in actual Proportion to the rest of the body but that is more of a look and feel issue)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Alas, Murra Sharr seems at this point to have no relation to the Beastlord Preludes.</span></p>

[FireDragon]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I want vah shir back to see a feline race that actually looks feline and not like a gorrila.</p></blockquote><p>This this sooooo this.</p><p>I loved my Vah Shir <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Kerra look like they should be grunting and flinging poo.</p>

[WeatherMan]

<p><cite>Rebaleo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p></blockquote><p>I think 'Nostalgia' was a reference to Queen's Colony, and how it's gone unless you're fortunate enough to have a toon still there.  I'm fortunate enough to have had a newbie sitting there (on Test) when they got rid of it - needless to say, said newbie character is never going to leave.</p><p>Real nostalgia would be the original Isle of Refuge - same story path for all, regardless of alignment.</p>

[Felshades]

<p>That Vah Shir screenshot up there looks more like a wolf to me than a cat. Snout's too long.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rebaleo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p></blockquote><p>I think 'Nostalgia' was a reference to Queen's Colony, and how it's gone unless you're fortunate enough to have a toon still there.  I'm fortunate enough to have had a newbie sitting there (on Test) when they got rid of it - needless to say, said newbie character is never going to leave.</p><p>Real nostalgia would be the original Isle of Refuge - same story path for all, regardless of alignment.</p></blockquote><p>I still have a fighter camped on the isle of refuge...</p>

[Celline-Layonaire]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rebaleo@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p>Nostalgia?  Nostalgic would be a Vah Shir.  Not a "feline" kerran.</p></blockquote><p>I think 'Nostalgia' was a reference to Queen's Colony, and how it's gone unless you're fortunate enough to have a toon still there.  I'm fortunate enough to have had a newbie sitting there (on Test) when they got rid of it - needless to say, said newbie character is never going to leave.</p><p>Real nostalgia would be the original Isle of Refuge - same story path for all, regardless of alignment.</p></blockquote><p>I still have a fighter camped on the isle of refuge...</p></blockquote><p>I still have my fighte....... err one necro camped on there, too   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />  and he's wearing this void cloak thing......</p><p>Awwww I really miss the isle !!!  (and Laura Karpman!)</p>