I've gotta complaint...

[Eskol]

<p>      I play on Oasis and recently I have noticed a nasty cycle...I can't stand it because all I can do about it is be upset about it, and just deal with it...I, on my Inquis, had tried to go to ToFSx2 the other day and was told that I need minimum of 100% crit mit, I said fair enough, mine is only 94% and agreed for them to not drag me along. Today, the same person was putting together a group for ToFSx2 again, I sent a tell and said I have 106% crit mit and was told minimum was 140%...</p><p>      My main problem is gear, I need to do DoV zones to get gear, in order to be able to do those zones I have to be already geared out...I can't gear out because I cannot go...see the nasty cycle? I can't improve my character because no one wants to let me tag along for gear, how does one ever progress?</p><p>       All of my jewelry is Ascent/ToFS/Pools AT LEAST, with some exceptions. My armor is all PQ except the BP which is only 4% more crit mit thatn what I have...I can't go to tougher zones for better drops and it kills me! Does anyone else experience this? I really want to better my toon, I have learned SO much in the past week about my toon, and player skill has gone from 1% to 90%! I am able to easily solo heal Ascent, Pools, ToFS, CC, and I can do some of Kael Contested (I had to pay someone 15p to let me tag along because 106% crit mit isn't enough)</p><p>      WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE TO PLAY MMO's WITH OTHER PEOPLE!?!?! I pay $15/month to paly ONLINE and MULTIPLAYER but I find I am either solo'ing quest, solo'ing old zones, or standing around doing nothing...UGH!!!!!! ***FRUSTRATION***</p><p>      I appologize for those of you who read this and realized that it was a waste of time...I just needed to complain a little....I think that it is to easy/rewarding to play this game solo...</p><p>Thanks.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>idk what that guy's problem is you were talking to about the ToFSx2.  You can easily do that zone with 100% crit mit.  Hell, you can have people with less than that and still do just fine.  I think you just met one (censored) hole who had something against you for some reason.</p>

[Eskol]

<p>       Well after I was told no the second time, I then asked in public chat channels (not rudely) just saying I was curious. I said that I have 106% and wanted to know if that would be enough to survive and was told I should be able to on everything except the last fight. I sent that player a tell and he said "My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</p><p>       So I know that guy was a jerk, however I am constantly told that I need minimum 120% crit mit for anything above pools/ascent/tofs...All of my gear is minimum 90/90 Wis/Sta I know that doesn't mean much, but I am not finding anything new in these zones...It isn't just that guy, but that is when it finally upset me the most...</p><p>ALSO I am not a class that can mass pull zones, I don't struggle REALLY bad in the hole, but it is very slow, and every keeps telling me to do those zones so I can get money and just buy the gear...I really can't warrant paying 1500-2000 plat for a piece of armor from Zek...that is just insane...the jewelry is going usually for like 600-800p...what the heck...who has that kind of money?</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>       Well after I was told no the second time, I then asked in public chat channels (not rudely) just saying I was curious. I said that I have 106% and wanted to know if that would be enough to survive and was told I should be able to on everything except the last fight. I sent that player a tell and he said "My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</p><p>       So I know that guy was a jerk, however I am constantly told that I need minimum 120% crit mit for anything above pools/ascent/tofs...All of my gear is minimum 90/90 Wis/Sta I know that doesn't mean much, but I am not finding anything new in these zones...It isn't just that guy, but that is when it finally upset me the most...</p><p>ALSO I am not a class that can mass pull zones, I don't struggle REALLY bad in the hole, but it is very slow, and every keeps telling me to do those zones so I can get money and just buy the gear...I really can't warrant paying 1500-2000 plat for a piece of armor from Zek...that is just insane...the jewelry is going usually for like 600-800p...what the heck...who has that kind of money?</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like your server is just kind of filled with stuck up rude people mostly.  On my server i've been invited to kael groups, and succeeded in them along with several EM raid mobs with under 90% crit mit.  Although i am a warlock and you are an inq.  but right now i have pretty much the same gear as yours, but my chest plate is just the quested one (not sure what your chest is though) and I have 121 crit mit.  Make sure you get crit mit adorns on all of your armors and that should get you up to 120 crit mit.</p>

[Prestissimo]

<p>You can do almost anything instance wise with less than 120 crit mit. Will it be harder than if you have a higher crit mit? Well most certainly or at minimum having higher crit mit would likely mean you have better gear which logically would mean better survivability....</p><p>Point being, as long as you're at public quest gear (the set with yellow slots) on all your armor, OR higher, and have at least 4% potency level gear on all your other slots, you should be just fine for all of the group instances (assuming you're compitent at your class) and should be alright for the entry level raid stuff (again assuming you're a decent player).</p><p>If you meet that criteria, slap those individuals on ignore, and go about your business.</p><p>Edit: Btw, if you have the shards for it, its worth getting the ry'gorr armor made just for the situations where you need the extra crit mit. Playing all 3 priest types, I'm fully aware that the ry'gorr is not by any stretch of imagination the best healing gear until you can get jewelry to replace the casting speed loss from switching, but it's worth having in case the crit mit is literally whats holding you back. Also, invest in the 5% crit mit adorns from the thurgadin quartermaster (or momo if you are the type that absolutely cannot be bothered to ever get a single adornment from it's "source" merchant like some people that I've run into....)</p>

[Equilibrium]

<p>Lie next time. I highly doubt he will inspect you and add up every piece of gear's crit mit.</p>

[Eskol]

<p><cite>Prestissimo@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can do almost anything instance wise with less than 120 crit mit. Will it be harder than if you have a higher crit mit? Well most certainly or at minimum having higher crit mit would likely mean you have better gear which logically would mean better survivability....</p><p>Point being, as long as you're at public quest gear (the set with yellow slots) on all your armor, OR higher, and have at least 4% potency level gear on all your other slots, you should be just fine for all of the group instances (assuming you're compitent at your class) and should be alright for the entry level raid stuff (again assuming you're a decent player).</p><p>If you meet that criteria, slap those individuals on ignore, and go about your business.</p><p>Edit: Btw, if you have the shards for it, its worth getting the ry'gorr armor made just for the situations where you need the extra crit mit. Playing all 3 priest types, I'm fully aware that the ry'gorr is not by any stretch of imagination the best healing gear until you can get jewelry to replace the casting speed loss from switching, but it's worth having in case the crit mit is literally whats holding you back. Also, invest in the 5% crit mit adorns from the thurgadin quartermaster (or momo if you are the type that absolutely cannot be bothered to ever get a single adornment from it's "source" merchant like some people that I've run into....)</p></blockquote><p>I only have about 30 shards, and I don't have Ry'gorr faction...How much of a difference would that gear be? Are we talking like HUGE difference after I adorn it, or just enough to get me into IK and such? I haven't take the time to look at the Ry'Gorr stuff yet...I really should...</p><p><cite>Detriment@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lie next time. I highly doubt he will inspect you and add up every piece of gear's crit mit.</p></blockquote><p>Haha! That makes me feel good, I had never thought about that...Rather than ignoring him, I ought to wait until his next X2 run and tell him I have 12*%, after getting a few pieces and finish the zone I should tell him the truth...not to be a jerk, but to let him know that 106% is clearly not low enough...I did Zek X4 and The AE's weren't destroying me until we got to the proton(or ptoctor or w/e that name is) At that point they were murdering the entire raid force...</p>

[Tallithia]

<p>Interesting..I am on Oasis and have never seen such a conversation on public chat (not saying it doesn't happen).  I know there are quite a few who are helping folks out regularly to run some areas. Tica is our Oasis superstar, she loves helping folks.  Maybe watch for her posts when she is calling out for areas and join even if not an area you specifically want?</p><p>I hope you are able to get to your desired quests soon. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[SisterTheresa]

<p>Yes it can be fristrating.  As a tank I have to make sure I have the crit mit% on me .. ugh .. and they were concerned about a healer?</p><p>Just a jerk IMO.</p><p>But don't let one or a few people ruin that fun for you.  I would think as long as you are getting good gear and they Ry'Gorr armor to keep trying.  And if you do get in a raid with that jerk from before .. don't heal him. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Tigress]

<p>welcome to my world.  it bites <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  im a healer, too.</p><p>thanks, devs, for the cyclical problem for nonraiders and/or ppl who werent 90 when DOV was introduced (and dont have the raid friends to help them out) bc that number just goes up & up as they get better gear.</p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Tigress wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>welcome to my world.  it bites <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />.  im a healer, too.</p><p>thanks, devs, for the cyclical problem for nonraiders and/or ppl who werent 90 when DOV was introduced (and dont have the raid friends to help them out) bc that number just goes up & up as they get better gear.</p></blockquote><p>I like to call it "I don't want to wipe QQ" syndrome.</p><p>They're so afraid of actually having to try to not wipe they won't take anyone that even remotely fails to come close to their crappiest EM geared alt's gear.</p>

[SisterTheresa]

<p><cite>Tigress wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>welcome to my world.  it bites <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />.  im a healer, too.</p><p>thanks, devs, for the cyclical problem for nonraiders and/or ppl who werent 90 when DOV was introduced (and dont have the raid friends to help them out) bc that number just goes up & up as they get better gear.</p></blockquote><p>And this angers me, because a good tank moves the mobs away from the healers and squishies.  Granted there are some mobs that have nasty, long range AoEs et all ... but learning what they do and communicating before the battle so people know what to expect is just as important as having high crit mit..</p><p>I'm sorry you both are having such a problem.  If you were on AB I would have been more than willing to let you taga long and heal for me!</p>

[LaeliaJS]

<p>One thing that can help out immensely crit-mit wise is putting the shard crit mit adorns on all your armor.  The shards you have now are enough to get 6 crit mit adorns, which will bump you up by 30 points of crit mit.  If you can't afford the plats to do that, try mark of manaar adorns, which are 5 marks each and 0 plats.  This will still get you 15 extra points.  All PQ gear with shard adorns comes out to 125 crit mit, which is more than enough for anything heroic and TOFSx2.</p><p>Also, you probably want to ignore the guy and form up your own group. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>LaeliaJS wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that can help out immensely crit-mit wise is putting the shard crit mit adorns on all your armor.  The shards you have now are enough to get 6 crit mit adorns, which will bump you up by 30 points of crit mit.  If you can't afford the plats to do that, try mark of manaar adorns, which are 5 marks each and 0 plats.  This will still get you 15 extra points.  All PQ gear with shard adorns comes out to 125 crit mit, which is more than enough for anything heroic and TOFSx2.</p><p>Also, you probably want to ignore the guy and form up your own group. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure that 125% crit mit is not enough for Drunder zones, but i get what you mean.</p>

[LaeliaJS]

<p><span >Drunder is the Runnyeye:The Gathering of this expansion and therefore doesn't count. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p>

[Eskol]

<p>Very aware of Tica, we talk a lot. I didn't ask to go in public chats, he was asking in public, and I replied in tells. Outside of Tica I can't seem to get much help at all...</p><p>Realistically all Tica does is PQ's and ER's lol, that is a HUGE help, but that doesn't gear me up...Then there is Junestar and Pandoruh of S and D who can be pretty helpful...but it seems the majority of people do not want to help...</p>

[Cratoh]

<p>Sorry, but I don;t want to run zones at this stage in the expansion with people who are borderline geare requirements, with ad3s and suchlike. I just don't. I want to run it with ez mode raid gear red dorned people at a minimum. </p><p>OP I can see and understand your frustration but thats just what it is like in ANY game. My suggestion is try hard to find some grouping friends with the same quality gear as you, and do the instances you are already doing, work through your gear and get rygorr ( now only 20 shards) </p><p>Take your group to ISK for the gems, get geared up and then you will suddenly find youself in a few weeks time at 150ish crit mit, with another key master researched and a decent amount of plat to get upgrades adorns etc. </p><p>Jump on whatever you can pug raid etc, look at red adorns from SF as well. Look at eq2 flames as to how to maximise your AA spec for soloing farming etc.</p><p>Just don't get upset when people want to take a group of people to the higher level DoV content they know can just smash through it painlessly and quickly, it is not their responsibility to gear you up, it is yours.</p>

[denmom]

<p>Cratoh...</p><p>It may be his responsibility to gear up but don't you see the cycle he's caught in?</p><p>He wants to group and gear up, he can't because no one wants him due to his crit mit which is low because he doesn't have the gear.  Why?  He can't get into a group to <strong><em>get</em></strong> the gear. </p><p>And so it goes.</p><p>It's not his fault, it's the fault of those who refuse to let him run with them.  He's <strong><em>trying</em></strong> but there's only so much he can do without the assistance of others</p><p>And whomever says that you cannot run the x2 with low crit mit, I have to say that's not true.  I've run my alt raid Coercer thru x2 in full PQ gear sans the shirt, 106 crit mit, for some time until recently.  I've even run x4 with her.  It is possible.</p><p>I've run my Dirge when she had 85 crit mit thru Kael instances, run my Coercer thru Kael when she was 106 crit mit.  It can be done if you're careful and are aware of distance etc.</p><p>OP, if you have any Marks of Manaar left over from SF, go to Paineel and get the Lesser Crit Mit adorns.  They're yellow and are 2.5% crit mit.  It's something to get you up a bit.  I've those on my main raid toon, a Swash, who has 149 crit currently, a mix of those and the DoV crit mit adorns.  I have the SF adorns on my Coercer's gear as well and she's up to 133 crit mit.</p><p>Good luck.  I so know how you feel.  I've run into that myself, the concern for gear and instant success taking away from being able to play the game.</p>

[VerikDarkfaith]

<p>He said he wants it to be EZ mode though. </p><p>I was kind of thinking of giving MMORPG's another try since I got a free 45 days, but after reading this thread, I'm reconsidering.  It's bringing back memories of why I left EQ 1.</p><p>Blech.</p>

[thegriss]

<p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Very aware of Tica, we talk a lot. I didn't ask to go in public chats, he was asking in public, and I replied in tells. Outside of Tica I can't seem to get much help at all...</p><p>Realistically all Tica does is PQ's and ER's lol, that is a HUGE help, but that doesn't gear me up...Then there is Junestar and Pandoruh of S and D who can be pretty helpful...but it seems the majority of people do not want to help...</p></blockquote><p>Eskol I have seen your post on here and flames and you seem very genuine in the fact that you really are trying to make something out of your inquisitor and are enjoying the game.   Send me a tell when you see me in game.  My name is Sorvex on the Oasis server. I know you have alot of inquisitor questions ect and ill be glad to help you out.</p><p>Also yes this game has gone the way of the Gear score system.  We have 2 numbers now.  Crit and crit mit.  Dont feel bad man I am in full EM gear with some HM pieces and I was refused a Keal group because when I was asked what my crit mit and crit where I just said more than enough... No reply after that lol</p>

[d1anaw]

<p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>       Well after I was told no the second time, I then asked in public chat channels (not rudely) just saying I was curious. I said that I have 106% and wanted to know if that would be enough to survive and was told I should be able to on everything except the last fight. I sent that player a tell and he said "My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</p><p>       So I know that guy was a jerk, however I am constantly told that I need minimum 120% crit mit for anything above pools/ascent/tofs...All of my gear is minimum 90/90 Wis/Sta I know that doesn't mean much, but I am not finding anything new in these zones...It isn't just that guy, but that is when it finally upset me the most...</p><p>ALSO I am not a class that can mass pull zones, I don't struggle REALLY bad in the hole, but it is very slow, and every keeps telling me to do those zones so I can get money and just buy the gear...I really can't warrant paying 1500-2000 plat for a piece of armor from Zek...that is just insane...the jewelry is going usually for like 600-800p...what the heck...who has that kind of money?</p></blockquote><p>And this sports fans is why many of us don't like to group and raid. There are way more of these types out there than those who are accepting of others. I'm not paying $20/month for the "honor" of stroking someone's over inflated ego in a video game. So the next time someone wants to whine about no one wanting to group or raid anymore, just remember how you behave when you do.</p>

[hansomepete]

<p>Sounds to me like someone didn't want you in the raid that's all. You paid someone to take you through a zone??!!?</p><p>LOL you crazy..</p><p>I don't understand it anyway, as a inquisitor you would be there for heals your not tanking skills. So you wouold grab no argo or shouldn't if the tank is doing his job. As a warlock I have grabbed some hate everynow and then but sounds to me like you ran into a jerk.</p><p>But Oasis can be like that...</p>

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[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Detriment@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lie next time. I highly doubt he will inspect you and add up every piece of gear's crit mit.</p></blockquote><p>Don't need to add up everything.  You can glance at someone's gear these days and know what kind of crit mit they have.  Crit mit is not class based, so if he has gear on par or better than yours chances are he will know from a glance if you meet HIS crit mit requirements or not.</p><p>However, if he actually HAS to add it up to know, then he truly is one of those people you probably want to disassociate yourself with <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I think the main issue with these groups that are making huge requirements is simple.  It's one of two reasons:</p><p>1.  People want to be carried to easy/free gear (for themselves, or alts).  If they load the raid up with people who need everything, then they won't get as much.</p><p>2.  They want people who overgear the zone to faceroll it and sell loot in public channels for plat.</p><p>An off rare third reasons:</p><p>3.  Your have a bad reputation (maybe you don't know it, but gossip isn't always public).</p>

[Psykotic]

<p>It isn't that way anymore, but posts like this make me miss the old days of EQ1.  Sure in Original/Kunark/Velious gear/hp/stats did matter to some extent but as long as you were relatively current it was fine.  Then again we had huge raids back then and noone would notice a few [Removed for Content] tagging along.  Except if you were applying to be an MT for a raid I don't think I ever saw anyone even ask once what anyones stats were.</p><p>Ahh the golden age of MMO's...</p>

[AJMuller]

<p>Another Oasis player here.  I think the theme of this thread is, you gotta find the right sorts to group with. I'm in small guild, which usually run something everynight trying to help each other gear up. No to be honest I have only gotten to 136 crit mit this way... but thats enough for what we run. Besides I enjoy working with the same people learning how to work with each other and getting better at playing the game, than getting better gear to get to bigger dungeons to get better gear to get to bigger dun.... ad nauseum.</p><p>I know its easier said than done, but find some people that play the way you play and at the same equipment level.</p><p>Victa da girlscout</p>

[CheezeBurgerAnimal]

<p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I have learned SO much in the past week about my toon, and player skill has gone from 1% to 90%!</blockquote><blockquote><span >"My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</span></blockquote><p>So you didn't know how to play your toon until you reached level 90?</p><p>It sounds like that guy dosen't like you.</p>

[thegriss]

<p><cite>CheezeBurgerAnimal wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I have learned SO much in the past week about my toon, and player skill has gone from 1% to 90%!</blockquote><blockquote><span>"My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</span></blockquote><p>So you didn't know how to play your toon until you reached level 90?</p><p>It sounds like that guy dosen't like you.</p></blockquote><p>  Once you start getting gear and AA inquisitor is a whole different animal than when leveling.  Sub level 90 in the new [Removed for Content] gear makes you feel underpowerd as and inq.  At level 90 when your cast speed/reuses ect start moving up it really changes the whole perspective of the class.  You go from ok soloer/struggling healer to strong healer/ medium DPS. </p><p>Gear literally makes you relearn you casting orders and heal rotaions because the class is so freaking gear/AA dependent.  With 150 to 200 AA you are forced into more a group support healing type build. Once you start getting gear and AA you can dump some of the healing support AA and starting working on DPS AA ect.  This changes the way the class plays a good bit.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p></blockquote><p>I don't care.  Not everyone wants to carry undergeared through content so they can upgrade from Othmir quest gear to x4 armor.</p><p>Perhaps you didn't die.  However, maybe someone else died because you were busy healing yourself due to hte disproportionately high amount of damage you were taking compared to the rest of the raid.</p><p>The only fight in Kraytoc's where a healer can get away with this is the first one depending on which boss you choose to fight.  All the others have mechanics that punish undergeared players (AoEs that can 1 shot you with low crit mit/hp levels, and mana drains that can completely own you and shut you down for a higher % of the encounter length than a healer who is more prepared).</p><p>The zone is not hard.  I'm not saying it is.  Tower is even easier (maybe Val'Shera/Manifestation could prove a challenge to someone in bad gear, but the rest are a easy).</p><p>I'm simply stating that if you get carried in a raid, yay you.  But don't get mad or seem puzzled if someone clearly doesn't want to do that.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p></blockquote><p>I don't care.  Not everyone wants to carry undergeared through content so they can upgrade from Othmir quest gear to x4 armor.</p><p>Perhaps you didn't die.  However, maybe someone else died because you were busy healing yourself due to hte disproportionately high amount of damage you were taking compared to the rest of the raid.</p><p>The only fight in Kraytoc's where a healer can get away with this is the first one depending on which boss you choose to fight.  All the others have mechanics that punish undergeared players (AoEs that can 1 shot you with low crit mit/hp levels, and mana drains that can completely own you and shut you down for a higher % of the encounter length than a healer who is more prepared).</p><p>The zone is not hard.  I'm not saying it is.</p><p>I'm simply stating that if you get carried in a raid, yay you.  But don't get mad or seem puzzled if someone clearly doesn't want to do that.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not a healer I am a warlock.  And i wasn't being "carried through"  I was usually 5th or 6th highest dps.  My point is that any heroic zone you can get through with the crit mit this guy has (excluding Drunder) and the x2 without needing to be "carried through" the zone. </p>

[Felshades]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>Over in wow my healer can carry their sorry butts naked through just about anything.</p><p>Sometimes, I wish it was like that over here, because I'm sick of not being able to finish things because the rest of the group sucks, or the fear of which prevents anyone that isn't in raid gear to do anything.</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p></blockquote><p>I don't care.  Not everyone wants to carry undergeared through content so they can upgrade from Othmir quest gear to x4 armor.</p><p>Perhaps you didn't die.  However, maybe someone else died because you were busy healing yourself due to hte disproportionately high amount of damage you were taking compared to the rest of the raid.</p><p>The only fight in Kraytoc's where a healer can get away with this is the first one depending on which boss you choose to fight.  All the others have mechanics that punish undergeared players (AoEs that can 1 shot you with low crit mit/hp levels, and mana drains that can completely own you and shut you down for a higher % of the encounter length than a healer who is more prepared).</p><p>The zone is not hard.  I'm not saying it is.</p><p>I'm simply stating that if you get carried in a raid, yay you.  But don't get mad or seem puzzled if someone clearly doesn't want to do that.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not a healer I am a warlock.  And i wasn't being "carried through"  I was usually 5th or 6th highest dps.  My point is that any heroic zone you can get through with the crit mit this guy has (excluding Drunder) and the x2 without needing to be "carried through" the zone. </p></blockquote><p>A warlock in an x4 parsing 5th or 6th is getting carried.</p><p>I'm not even going to argue about this.  It's not worth it.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p></blockquote><p>I don't care.  Not everyone wants to carry undergeared through content so they can upgrade from Othmir quest gear to x4 armor.</p><p>Perhaps you didn't die.  However, maybe someone else died because you were busy healing yourself due to hte disproportionately high amount of damage you were taking compared to the rest of the raid.</p><p>The only fight in Kraytoc's where a healer can get away with this is the first one depending on which boss you choose to fight.  All the others have mechanics that punish undergeared players (AoEs that can 1 shot you with low crit mit/hp levels, and mana drains that can completely own you and shut you down for a higher % of the encounter length than a healer who is more prepared).</p><p>The zone is not hard.  I'm not saying it is.</p><p>I'm simply stating that if you get carried in a raid, yay you.  But don't get mad or seem puzzled if someone clearly doesn't want to do that.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not a healer I am a warlock.  And i wasn't being "carried through"  I was usually 5th or 6th highest dps.  My point is that any heroic zone you can get through with the crit mit this guy has (excluding Drunder) and the x2 without needing to be "carried through" the zone. </p></blockquote><p>A warlock in an x4 parsing 5th or 6th with 86 crit mit is getting carried.</p><p>I'm not even going to argue about this.  It's not worth it.</p></blockquote><p>I'm done with you.  You are a fool that doesn't understand what you are talking about.</p><p>Edit: and i said 89 not 86...</p>

[Trensharo]

<p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trenshero@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think we can end the thread by saying anyone with 108 crit mit has absolutely no reason to complain about not being allowed in a raid.</p><p>This is why I'm retired from PUGing, even Heroics.  It's a waste of time and everytime I have to let someone go or decline them a spot in ToRZ because they have 25k HPs and 96 crit mit (or whatever) I have to spend the next half hour explaining why to them. </p><p>The WoW kiddies would cuss me out or crack a joke about my mom, but at least that would be the end of it.</p></blockquote><p>It may be different on a healer, but i've finished a few of the easy x4 raids in Kraytoc's without dying or having much of a problem with 89% crit mit...  And I am sure the x2 must be easier than the x4 raid mobs.  I could be wrong though.</p></blockquote><p>I don't care.  Not everyone wants to carry undergeared through content so they can upgrade from Othmir quest gear to x4 armor.</p><p>Perhaps you didn't die.  However, maybe someone else died because you were busy healing yourself due to hte disproportionately high amount of damage you were taking compared to the rest of the raid.</p><p>The only fight in Kraytoc's where a healer can get away with this is the first one depending on which boss you choose to fight.  All the others have mechanics that punish undergeared players (AoEs that can 1 shot you with low crit mit/hp levels, and mana drains that can completely own you and shut you down for a higher % of the encounter length than a healer who is more prepared).</p><p>The zone is not hard.  I'm not saying it is.</p><p>I'm simply stating that if you get carried in a raid, yay you.  But don't get mad or seem puzzled if someone clearly doesn't want to do that.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not a healer I am a warlock.  And i wasn't being "carried through"  I was usually 5th or 6th highest dps.  My point is that any heroic zone you can get through with the crit mit this guy has (excluding Drunder) and the x2 without needing to be "carried through" the zone. </p></blockquote><p>A warlock in an x4 parsing 5th or 6th with 86 crit mit is getting carried.</p><p>I'm not even going to argue about this.  It's not worth it.</p></blockquote><p>I'm done with you.  You are a fool that doesn't understand what you are talking about.</p></blockquote><p>News at 11:  Sorcs parsing bottom of the pack among DPS classes are great contributers.</p><p>EDIT:  89 and 86 are practically the same thing.</p><p>Sorcs and Summoners in Adorned PQ gear (with Master Spells and QM/Heroic Jewels) can hit 100k+ DPS in an x4 raid.  Unless you're being carried by people who outgear the content and/or everyone in the raid is doing extremely similar DPS levels and you tend to be on the bottom end then I dunno why you even bothered mentioning that.</p>

[Wurm]

<p>The real reason that most people don't want to take people, who could use the gear, into x2 and x4 content is it would cut back on the SLR profit at the end of the night.</p><p>The rest is all smoke and mirrors.</p>

[Tigress]

<p><cite>Wurm wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The real reason that most people don't want to take people, who could use the gear, into x2 and x4 content is it would cut back on the SLR profit at the end of the night.</p><p>The rest is all smoke and mirrors.</p></blockquote><p>this i believe the most.  nobody started out in DOV with the 200 crit mit they all want you to have and the bare minimum "dont even bother sending me a tell if you dont have 150".  the difference btwn them and myself (along with some others) is that we werent 90 when DOV hit so we are behind and can never catch up now bc the number just keeps growing!  i remember when it was 100, then it jumped to 120, next it jumped to 140 and finally at 200. my crit mit is at 105.  guess what i cannot get?  adornments.  i finally got my faction up high enough but i need those special little shards from where?  that's right, the raid zones.  where can i not go?  that's right, the raid zones.</p><p>the AAs are the same way but at least those can be caught up (providing that you get the magical number of 270 before the next expansion).  i have 227 AAs.  although 220 *was* the magic number, it became 250 and is now 270.  soon it will be 300.</p><p>i suppose that i should be most annoyed with the devs for the lack of foresight.  if they hadn't made the items "heirloom", then the inner-greed in ppl wouldn't be popping out so that they can list their prize for 300-1000 plat on 1-9 chat as an auction.  (they dont use the auction channel bc its a dead channel.)  IDK, maybe it would still be the same if it was brokered.  if the devs had put some thought into "whats going to happen when new 90s get there?", then they could have come up with a way for those that werent 90 on release day to catch up to those that were.</p>

[Wurm]

<p>The shards for the yellow adornments you need, come from instances, which you have more than enough crit mit for.</p>

[millie]

<p><cite>Eskol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>       Well after I was told no the second time, I then asked in public chat channels (not rudely) just saying I was curious. I said that I have 106% and wanted to know if that would be enough to survive and was told I should be able to on everything except the last fight. I sent that player a tell and he said "My raid, my rules, I don't want you period. You are to defiant."</p><p>       So I know that guy was a jerk, however I am constantly told that I need minimum 120% crit mit for anything above pools/ascent/tofs...All of my gear is minimum 90/90 Wis/Sta I know that doesn't mean much, but I am not finding anything new in these zones...It isn't just that guy, but that is when it finally upset me the most...</p><p>ALSO I am not a class that can mass pull zones, I don't struggle REALLY bad in the hole, but it is very slow, and every keeps telling me to do those zones so I can get money and just buy the gear...I really can't warrant paying 1500-2000 plat for a piece of armor from Zek...that is just insane...the jewelry is going usually for like 600-800p...what the heck...who has that kind of money?</p></blockquote><p>yep guy is a jerk.  During the SF expansion the guild I was in got a new tank, had the same sort of attitude, even though I was an officer after a few days of displaying my 'defiant' attitude I got kicked from the guild. It was a guild that never quite got it together to raid current content.</p><p>Well now I am in a raiding guild, happy doing current content and wouldnt have thought about that tank but for your post. </p><p>I suggest you move on and if your current server isnt supportive try another, Antonia Bayle still has room and lots of friendly, helpfull folk.  I am sure there are lots on other servers too.</p>

[Tatwi]

<p><cite>Sakiri@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tigress wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>welcome to my world.  it bites <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />.  im a healer, too.</p><p>thanks, devs, for the cyclical problem for nonraiders and/or ppl who werent 90 when DOV was introduced (and dont have the raid friends to help them out) bc that number just goes up & up as they get better gear.</p></blockquote><p>I like to call it "I don't want to wipe QQ" syndrome.</p><p>They're so afraid of actually having to try to not wipe they won't take anyone that even remotely fails to come close to their crappiest EM geared alt's gear.</p></blockquote><p>Given that this exact same issue happens in World of Warcraft, the problem is not in the games - it's between the keyboard and the chair.</p>

[Hammieee]

<p>i have a solution.... learn your class and run pools and ascent get ry'gorr gear and go pewpewpewpew on harder stuff then you get gear its not that difficult</p>