90's in a 30's BG?

[karnath]

<p>how are lvl 90's getting into the lvl 30's BG's?</p><p>was a full group and they were ripping everyone appart.</p>

[Wolfsight]

<p>It's a bug with match making had it happen twice today. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Balrok]

<p>Those T4 toons must not have had any PvP gear.  This happened to me a few times yesterday, but from what I saw... </p><p>1   <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Geared out T4 players are tougher to kill then most 90s.</span>2.  The level 30 mobs hit like a truck and are tougher to kill then 90s.</p><p>Maybe they are scaling mentored a little better, but on the flip side.... I never did die.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p><p>*updated*</p>

[karnath]

<p>still 90's in 30's BG's today.</p><p>and my toon is fully geared, and normally takes a real beating, but these 90's are 3 shotting me.</p>

[karnath]

<p>still higher lvls in 30's BG's, been over a week , lastnight there were also lvl 70's in the 30's BG.  .</p><p>i guess SOE is sitting on their hands ?</p>

[Magnis]

<p>hah had a 21 the other day in the 80s BG, he held the relic like a pro.  Dont ask me how, he just did.</p>

[Tygana]

<p>Saw 90s in 30s BGs all last night, with one guy compaining about it in /shout. We would complete one, start another BG, and the same 90s were back along with our guy who just continued his complaints from where he left off in the last BG. While I agree that 90s do not belong in 30s BGs, I have to admit that I did get a nice boost in tokens last night. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Donathan]

<p>Most are from Nagafen, but I think I saw at least one from Vox. I'd bet it's an exploit but don't have any proof. When you see the same two players three matches in a row I can't believe it's just bad code.  After several reports and petitions the standard reply from SoE seems to be like everything else that's wrong with bg's. "We've looked into it and are turning it over to Devs and QA guys."</p>

[Blackpheonix]

<p>thats the sad thing if i could choose i would stay in the 90 bg's the 30's are way to easy and sap the fun outta it all.... the whole thing was when we qued up single it would drop us in the 90's when we grouped it would always put us in the 30's and all you people petitioning lvl 90's killing you lvl 30's in a bg they didnt want to be in good job i know i got reported a lot for being in a lvl 30 bg but hey when your in a bg its just pvp dont like it there is a little green arrow that lets you leave the bg.... until soe fixes it gotta deal with it sorry <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Donathan]

<p>Might want to consider some punctuation and capitalization so we can understand what you're trying to say.</p>

[Blackpheonix]

<p>lol if i wanted advice from the grammer patrol i would of asked for it</p>

[Griffildur]

<p><cite>Blackpheonix@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol if i wanted advice from the grammer patrol i would of asked for it</p></blockquote><p>He does have a point though. Some people should spend a bit more time in school rather than playing a game.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>Magnis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>hah had a 21 the other day in the 80s BG, he held the relic like a pro.  Dont ask me how, he just did.</p></blockquote><p>How did the 21 even Queue up... it doesn't let me on my characters before I am level 30.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p>this has to be fixed if pre 90 bg is to have any hope of surviving.</p>

[Vaylan77]

<p>i am done with BGs - the bugs seem to increase and nothing is done to change them.it's not even funny if 90s are on your own team. where is the challenge here. just send me the tokens via mail that would be as fun. I couldn't vene scratch a mentored 90 necro in on bg and he killed me in 3 secs.i really think soe wants to pss all people majorly of to finally remove bgs from the game and have one thing less to care about:- tundra map still bugged with towers- nothing happened to the massive user feedback to tundra and it is still boring- faction for only one map- broken matchmaking with only 1 player on one team, rest in the other or even not grouped at all- smuggler's and ganak almost never pop again and if it pops it is like a 3vs3 - same with klak, playing a 3vs3 is no fun at all. those games where packed before tundra was releasedsoe seriously destroys bgs. it gets worse every day and those 90s are really the worst. while other companies fix bugs soe builds in more and more every day!!!</p>

[Silverzx]

<p>the more i see the same 90s game after game in the 30s bg, the more i'm starting to feel that its not an accident that they ended up there</p>

[Tygana]

<p>There is definitly some kind of exploit going on. I like how they claim that they got put in by accident, but will never leave when they are called out on it. They know exactly what they are doing, especially the ones that go right to the re-spawn points and 1-2 shot everyone for the entire match. I just hope all those tokens the 90s are farming get removed for exploiting along with any equipment purchased with them.</p>

[Splatterpunk28]

<p>So...the rare chance I get a BG, it's either bugged and I'm unable to fight or my T4 is grouped/opposed to 90s.  You still can't pregroup and end up on the same side either.  I'm looking at patch notes in test and none of these issues are addressed.</p><p>Devs needs to respond to these ongoing issues.  Or just friggen remove BGs.  I can't even imagine being a new player and zoning into a BG -- that would be a quick clue that this game is dying, dead or managed by total idiots (or all the above).</p>

[Auxillery]

<p>Before you all ASSUME we 90s are exploiting look at the facts... FIRST: I queue up for 90!! Frozen Tundra and it is their system that puts us into a 30s BG. I did nothing except maybe wait in the BG hub with my guildmates.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Ruinblood@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Before you all ASSUME we 90s are exploiting look at the facts... FIRST: I queue up for 90!! Frozen Tundra and it is their system that puts us into a 30s BG. I did nothing except maybe wait in the BG hub with my guildmates.</p></blockquote><p>does it put you in there game after game in a row? if not then don't ASSUME we're talking about you</p>

[Balrok]

<p>This is actually a really funny thread.  I want to tell you all that it's a secret trick we're all doing, so hahahahaha.</p><p>Then I want to tell you that T4 Battle Ground Tundra is god aweful.  T9 Tundra is a heck of alot easier and quicker to then that T4 mess.  Being someone that has been tossed into that mentored garbage I can tell you that even mentored, you can't kill any PvE for point and the geared T4 toons are tougher then most T9 to kill.  So why would I want to be in there.....  the answer is I don't.</p><p>It's the matchmaker.  Thought I saw Peak say he knew how to recreate it.  If so, please share so I never have to go in that tundra version again.</p><p>... but again, this is really a funny thread.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is actually a really funny thread.  I want to tell you all that it's a secret trick we're all doing, so hahahahaha.</p><p>Then I want to tell you that T4 Battle Ground Tundra is god aweful.  T9 Tundra is a heck of alot easier and quicker to then that T4 mess.  Being someone that has been tossed into that mentored garbage I can tell you that even mentored, you can't kill any PvE for point and the geared T4 toons are tougher then most T9 to kill.  So why would I want to be in there.....  the answer is I don't.</p><p>It's the matchmaker.  Thought I saw Peak say he knew how to recreate it.  If so, please share so I never have to go in that tundra version again.</p><p>... but again, this is really a funny thread.</p></blockquote><p>the problem isn't geared t4 players take longer to kill(i don't see how thats the case unless mentored down 90s gear/additional spells is weaker then 30 gear, which i highly doubt).  its that geared t9 players simply do not die from geared t4 players even without a healer.</p>

[Delethen]

<p><cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ruinblood@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Before you all ASSUME we 90s are exploiting look at the facts... FIRST: I queue up for 90!! Frozen Tundra and it is their system that puts us into a 30s BG. I did nothing except maybe wait in the BG hub with my guildmates.</p></blockquote><p>does it put you in there game after game in a row? if not then don't ASSUME we're talking about you</p></blockquote><p>If you group up, then yes it will put you in there game after game in a row pretty much.  Aside from the odd time it puts you in the right tier but on different teams.  Chances of you being grouped, and entering the 90 BG on the same team are very slim indeed.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ruinblood@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Before you all ASSUME we 90s are exploiting look at the facts... FIRST: I queue up for 90!! Frozen Tundra and it is their system that puts us into a 30s BG. I did nothing except maybe wait in the BG hub with my guildmates.</p></blockquote><p>does it put you in there game after game in a row? if not then don't ASSUME we're talking about you</p></blockquote><p>If you group up, then yes it will put you in there game after game in a row pretty much.  Aside from the odd time it puts you in the right tier but on different teams.  Chances of you being grouped, and entering the 90 BG on the same team are very slim indeed.</p></blockquote><p>how many games straight have you been put in?</p>

[Delethen]

<p>Eh, don't remember for sure.  3 or 4 maybe on the bounce.  I don't bother accepting group invites in champion's respite anymore because its just boring to be stuck in the 30s, unless some 90s get dragged in on the other team.  Not like the 30s can kill you, and if there isn't a chance the other guy can kill you then whats the point?  Usually end up just running around killing the npc's, unless I get taunted off.</p>

[MaitreyaSuvo]

<p>It is terrible coding on SOE's part.  I qued up and ended up in like 15 level 30 BG's yesterday.  I did them all day i ended up with 30 bugged 90 raids where blue and red team were all in the same raid and couldn't attack each other.  15+ level 30 raids and gears and all such nonsense and SOE accused me of hacking due to their fail coding.  SERIOUSLY?  Own up to it at least SOE have some balls please.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Eh, don't remember for sure.  3 or 4 maybe on the bounce.  I don't bother accepting group invites in champion's respite anymore because its just boring to be stuck in the 30s, unless some 90s get dragged in on the other team.  Not like the 30s can kill you, and if there isn't a chance the other guy can kill you then whats the point?  Usually end up just running around killing the npc's, unless I get taunted off.</p></blockquote><p>weird...i know how to reproduce it, but theres no way you can get put in 3-4 games in a row without intending it.  I guess theres more than one way to do it, it seems. </p><p>I did hear people getting banned for it (hopefully the exploiters and not the accidents).  Glad SOE is doing something about it, but i hope they are looking at the real problem which appears to be the coding.</p>

[Delethen]

<p><cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Eh, don't remember for sure.  3 or 4 maybe on the bounce.  I don't bother accepting group invites in champion's respite anymore because its just boring to be stuck in the 30s, unless some 90s get dragged in on the other team.  Not like the 30s can kill you, and if there isn't a chance the other guy can kill you then whats the point?  Usually end up just running around killing the npc's, unless I get taunted off.</p></blockquote><p>weird...i know how to reproduce it, but theres no way you can get put in 3-4 games in a row without intending it.  I guess theres more than one way to do it, it seems. </p><p>I did hear people getting banned for it (hopefully the exploiters and not the accidents).  Glad SOE is doing something about it, but i hope they are looking at the real problem which appears to be the coding.</p></blockquote><p>Think you will find that you actually can.  And it wasn't just my groups either, i've seen it happen to a whole bunch of people - on one occasion for instance there was a separate purity group that got pulled in to two consecutive 30s the same time as my group.  Very frustrating really if you want to play with friends - you just can't.  At least not at 90.</p>

[Careisa]

<p><cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Then I want to tell you that T4 Battle Ground Tundra is god aweful.  T9 Tundra is a heck of alot easier and quicker to then that T4 mess.  Being someone that has been tossed into that mentored garbage I can tell you that even mentored, you can't kill any PvE for point and the geared T4 toons are tougher then most T9 to kill.  So why would I want to be in there.....  the answer is I don't.</p></blockquote><p>I still don't believe it's a bug. Watch, it's nearly always Nagafen or Vox people doing it, and they are usually the ones crying it's a bug. To say T4 players are harder to kill than T9's is bogus because I've seen some of the best tanks in T4 one or two shot by rangers.</p><p>And if none of the T9's want to be in T4 why don't they quit out? And why do some of them keep being put in T4 time after time?</p>

[Balrok]

<p><cite>Careisa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And if none of the T9's want to be in T4 why don't they quit out? And why do some of them keep being put in T4 time after time?</p></blockquote><p>touche</p>

[Trenal]

<p>/agree</p><p>between bugs, and gear you get in BG's... why even bother? BG's will soon be as popular as the arena. Too bad too, I really enjoyed BG's when they first came out, even the gear wasnt too bad then.</p>

[Splatterpunk28]

<p>I'm guessing the only response we'll get in this forum is an implied response like the last regarding several of these issues:  locking the thread and making it disappear.</p><p>Thank you SoE for such considerate customer-service and outstanding work on this aspect of the game. </p><p>Meanwhile:</p><ul><li>Critical gameplay issues such as 90s vs 30s in BGs are still left with no response for months on end.</li><li>Pregrouping still bugs out and splits you up on different sides in matches.</li><li>Players still get stuck in the hub and have to /petition to log back onto their characters.</li><li>No ETA on 'new season' battleground jewelry/weapons.</li></ul><p>By the time any of this is answered in any meaningful way, I'm sure the BG population will be 3/4 of what it was when I posted this.  I'm guessing it's about five percent of what it was pre-tundra already. </p>

[Valdar]

<p><cite>Careisa wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote><p>And if none of the T9's want to be in T4 why don't they quit out? And why do some of them keep being put in T4 time after time?</p></blockquote><p>I got put in once or twice. Stayed and killed people because quiting out gives me a timer, I needed tokens and I just queued an hour for that BG so I felt like killing people.</p>

[Tygana]

<p>Over the weekend I saw tundra bgs with one team full of mostly 90s and the other all 30s, along with tundra and gears bgs that had a full team of 90s against 30s players. In one case the 90s managed to get up on the re-spawn platform and just start killing people, then kill them again when they respawn, over and over. We just had to sit there and be killed until mr. 90 got bored and left.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p>this seems to be happening every game now as opposed to the few and random occurrences.  did a t4 bg yesterday cuz i got bored.  never again!! even though we did win(my team had the 90s), it was so boring</p>

[Iren]

<p>can we get a red name to comment on this please , or even better "Get It Fixed"</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Iren@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>can we get a red name to comment on this please , or even better "Get It Fixed"</p></blockquote><p>They are busy working on SC items. Thats why there have been no fixes, but plenty of new SC items for sale.</p>

[Splatterpunk28]

<p>Just /petition when it happens and /report any 90 that admits they know how they are getting in there.  They are treating it as an exploit and people are being banned for it.  And I'm glad they are.  Bgs are dead enough without this problem.</p><p>Hopefully this will be resolved by the time GU61 goes live so when people try out bgs again after the few changes they are making they won't stop q'ing because of this problem.</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Splatterpunk28 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just /petition when it happens and /report any 90 that admits they know how they are getting in there.  They are treating it as an exploit and people are being banned for it.  And I'm glad they are.  Bgs are dead enough without this problem.</p><p>Hopefully this will be resolved by the time GU61 goes live so when people try out bgs again after the few changes they are making they won't stop q'ing because of this problem.</p></blockquote><p>This is what I've been doing, except for 2 90s the other night that kept getting put into 30s BGs and would leave as soon as they noticed. Just wish the other 99.9% of 90s would do the same.</p>

[karnath]

<p>did you see a post on the pvp forums that got a red name reply ... where's some input about these problems ?</p><p>the red name replyed on a post about the test server.. o.O</p>

[Ahlana]

<p>I know they are busy and all (what with all the bugs still in GU61) but even an acknowledgement of "Hey, we know this stuff is messed up and we will get to it" would be nice.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p>maybe there will be a fix in the GU 61</p>

[karnath]

<p>lolz, you should read my post on the pvp forums titled: problems?!?!?!?!?</p>

[Melodii]

<p><cite>Splatterpunk28 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just /petition when it happens and /report any 90 that admits they know how they are getting in there.  They are treating it as an exploit and people are being banned for it.  And I'm glad they are.  Bgs are dead enough without this problem.</p><p>Hopefully this will be resolved by the time GU61 goes live so when people try out bgs again after the few changes they are making they won't stop q'ing because of this problem.</p></blockquote><p>LOL why would they ban us fro a problem they created? 9 out of 10 times my boyfriend and I do bgs we get stuck in the 30's.. We didnt choose it, or do anything get us put in there.. but when we need tokens for gear we arnt gonna leave over and over.. we are gonna play with what was given to us. Its Sony's problem to fix, not ours.</p><p>Stop and think about it.. u are mad we are in ur bgs owning, well we are mad we continuously have OUR bgs broken too and we only get put in yours. What do u do? play with what ur dealt? we do the same. Get over it.</p>

[Yonaton]

<p>LoL,I know right? Me and a couple others qued for any bg zone tonight. Just anything to run at 90. Where did we get stuck? IN a 30's Tundra zone against a mix of 30's and 90's. And then after it was over,a 30 from the other team was all huffy about us being in there. I noticed he didn't complain about 2 of his fellow Naggy players(who happened to be 90) in there tearing all those 30's on the blue team up.</p><p>NONE of us,including those from Naggy qued up for 30's bg. We don't have any control over it. We get stuck there by the server randomly just like anyone else on that lvl. So my suggestion is to go ahead and report ny 90 that gets stuck in a 30 bg. Because nothing is going to happen to that player as they ARE NOT causing it. They aren't using an exploit to do it. People need to actually think before they offer up such notions.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p>is this still happening? can you guys just roll back bgs, i really don't mind not having tundra or a hub if its going to prevent issues like this.</p>

[Vaylan77]

<p>To even it out: Yesterday was a lvl 5 guy in a 30s Bg...</p>

[Tygana]

<p>Hope you guys are not using the mastercrafted gear until you can get the BG stuff, they removed the toughness from all of it. Everyone is extra squishy now, so it just takes a 90 1 shot to kill you instead of 2.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hope you guys are not using the mastercrafted gear until you can get the BG stuff, they removed the toughness from all of it. Everyone is extra squishy now, so it just takes a 90 1 shot to kill you instead of 2.</p></blockquote><p>the problem is that you cannot 2 shot back, or even 100 shot for that matter.</p>

[Tygana]

<p><cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hope you guys are not using the mastercrafted gear until you can get the BG stuff, they removed the toughness from all of it. Everyone is extra squishy now, so it just takes a 90 1 shot to kill you instead of 2.</p></blockquote><p>the problem is that you cannot 2 shot back, or even 100 shot for that matter.</p></blockquote><p>It can be done with the more squishy 90s, like mages. If you get a group of 30s together that have attention spans greater than 3 seconds, have at least 2 full groups, and they don't have a lot of healing spells, you can take them out sometimes. I've seen it before. But that is very rare.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Silverzx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Tygana@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hope you guys are not using the mastercrafted gear until you can get the BG stuff, they removed the toughness from all of it. Everyone is extra squishy now, so it just takes a 90 1 shot to kill you instead of 2.</p></blockquote><p>the problem is that you cannot 2 shot back, or even 100 shot for that matter.</p></blockquote><p>It can be done with the more squishy 90s, like mages. If you get a group of 30s together that have attention spans greater than 3 seconds, have at least 2 full groups, and they don't have a lot of healing spells, you can take them out sometimes. I've seen it before. But that is very rare.</p></blockquote><p>it is rare indeed to have to have 2 full groups focus on a single mage.  throw in taunts and heals from other 90s and  you have next to impossible.</p>