Does Anyone At SOE Care About BGs Anymore? [Archive]

Rahatmattata

07-18-2011, 06:59 PM

Seriously, it's pretty ridiculous. SOE has to know how broken and unfun the whole thing is, and how it is rapidly dying off... there's no way they can't.They can do what they want with their game obviously, but pretty much all PvP aspects of the game right now are pretty bad and in need of attention. I kinda think a lot of MMORPG players like to PvP, and if SOE wants to have this great well-rounded game that attracts lots of players, good PvP is important in today's MMO.We are about to have another useless arena if they don't give BGs some love soon.

IvyBlackrose

07-18-2011, 10:45 PM

first off you do realize this isnt a pvp game right?that being said no one has ever really liked BG's to begin with, the only reason pre velious to do bg's was to farm tokens for your high lvls for the ridiculously overpowered easy to get welfare epix, now that velious offers PQ gear there is no longer a need to do that, consequently all the ppl who farmed bg's have moved on with a sigh of relief

Jrral

07-19-2011, 12:58 AM

<cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, it's pretty ridiculous. SOE has to know how broken and unfun the whole thing is, and how it is rapidly dying off... there's no way they can't.</blockquote>BGs are what, the third attempt to add PvP to the PvE servers? And every one of them has fizzled due to plain lack of interest by the playerbase. BGs were only popular because of the gear, and now that there's better gear available in PvE nobody wants to bother with BGs anymore.On top of that, the complaints about low population from Nagafen, the PvP server, have been so perennial they've all but become a stickied thread. Even when the entire server's aimed at PvP, the EQ2 playerbase doesn't seem to want to play there.I think at this point it should be clear: the vast majority of EQ2 players just don't do PvP. And if you're looking for PvP, this just isn't your game.

Rahatmattata

07-19-2011, 01:14 AM

First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.

Grumble69

07-19-2011, 02:07 AM

I played them for a few months last year on different characters. It was a nice breath of fresh air to the game. ...at least at first. And then it just became too much of a commitment. i.e. if you don't want to get rolled, you got keep up with the gear and get organized. And naturally I've got 2 sets of gear I got to pursue. But hells bells, if I'm going to do that, then I may as well stick with PvE.

Talathion

07-19-2011, 02:36 AM

I only BGed for the sweet gear.

retro_guy

07-19-2011, 07:13 AM

I'd pvp in bg as long as there were house items as rewards.THAT pretty much sums up the majority of EQ2 players <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Luhai

07-19-2011, 07:26 AM

I liked to run BGs in Sentinel's Fate for a change. At least we had up to 3 different BGs to earn tokens from, even on the german servers.Adding the Tundra BG as the only way to earn the new gear however was an incredibly stupid move. It basically killed the whole Battlegrounds. Nobody runs them anymore because of the reasons that haven't been mentioned often enough.You can queue for all BGs during prime time and then wait for an hour without anything happening.

feldon30

07-19-2011, 08:27 AM

<cite>IvyBlackrose wrote:</cite><blockquote>no one has ever really liked BG's to begin with, the only reason pre velious to do bg's was to farm tokens for your high lvls for the ridiculously overpowered easy to get welfare epix, now that velious offers PQ gear there is no longer a need to do that, consequently all the ppl who farmed bg's have moved on with a sigh of relief</blockquote>I actually like Capture the Flag, but you're spot on about why they're abandoned. The loot is meaningless outside of BGs now. If I need to get my PvP fix, there are any number of Xbox 360 games.

Banditman

07-19-2011, 10:25 AM

I too liked CTF. But only one map gets very old. If there were say 10 CTF maps that ran in rotation, with the ability to join and leave games in progress, I bet you'd see a lot more people jumping in and out.

Khiah

07-19-2011, 10:40 AM

There is alot of players who like pvp, and to say most players do things for only house items is silly.. as many ppl who like spending endless hours decorating there is quite a few who do not. PVP needs fixing ALOT of fixing. The gear change was needed but imo was done wrong. If bgs are to thrive at all the pvp mechanics need looked into along w the gear. Faction earned in one bg is silly.. faction period was silly. Players who like to pvp dont want to grind one thing over and over to the point of burnout then wait for other bgs to form groups. Bgs are supose to be a casual pvp option not a full time thing. Players who want to pvp fulltime go to the pvp servers.. the way the bgs are now takes pvp away from those servers and not so much casual fun for the pve servers.. yes complete fix in need there.

Troubor

07-19-2011, 10:54 AM

I only glanced at each reply, so my post reflects that.For myself, they were something to do that was a new novelty to me. Now that it's no longer new to me, I don't bother with them. If I had more interest in PvP or was on a PvP server where keeping a set of PvP gear also made sense, maybe I'd do them still. I haven't literally been in a BG arena since the middle of SF, and other then to zone into the new lobby that was put in place with DoV to take a look at it, haven't been in BG's at all. I have no idea what the newest BG arena zone even looks like. Or to put it another way, it was fun when it was a novelty, and I got to see a tiny taste of another playstyle I'd not normally do. Now that the novelty of such has worn off for me, it's not something I continue to do. I guess I'd go in once to see the newest arena if someone I know on my server wanted to, but I'm not going out of my way to ask anyone I know either.

Nuadah

07-19-2011, 11:01 AM

Maybe more people would go to BG if the regulars there didn't make snide snarky nasty comments when someone that is trying it out goes. Ive given pvp a go but decided to drop it. All people seemed to care about in my experience was sending twinked to the hilt alts into lowbie areas and gank anyone and everyone continuously. If you could get rid of that behavior maybe more people would participate.

Elf_Queen

07-19-2011, 11:51 AM

I'll admit too I BG'd just for the gear I could get at 90 for my main, and I'm so glad I don't have to anymore even though I wasted so much time getting steam rolled already for the peices that I bought. In fact thats part of the reason I quit the game a while ago I couldn't stand it anymore but couldn't justify not getting it.The OP has a point though the feature is in the game and should at least be worked on so it's balanced for those who like it, even if most don't. Im betting a lot more people WOULD play if the first time they tried it they didn't go up against the super twink overpowered classes and didn't stand a chance.. it shouldn't be soo gear dependant imo, but more player skill. Casual once in a while players should be able to go in and have fun too and not be scared off right away

Lalen

07-19-2011, 12:00 PM

It kinda flawed everything when the pvp stats were made completely diffrent from PVE. If someone is on a PVE server, they already do not have any (or have very little) motivation to PVP beyond the duel here and there. So when the desire for the loot was removed as a component and motivation for BG's its popularity was also removed.This comes from a few friends I have that use to BG all the time for the BG tokens -- now they just PL up to 86 and get the new DOV armor. So there may be errors and holes in the logic as I've only ever obtained a total of 6 pieces of level 90 pvp gear, but that is the my viewpoint of BG's today.

Elskidor

07-19-2011, 12:00 PM

Friend of mine finally broke down and began leveling his level 39bg toon that was fully BG decked out. BG is just dead and and and probably won't ever make a come back. It was done by many last year just to obtain the gear and use it in the pve world. Take that a way and half of the people left. I decked out one of my toons in 90bg set, and still use it from time to time. But if you put it back in the way it was, then the population on the pve world will suffer too. Either way their isn't really a win.

Gaige

07-19-2011, 12:16 PM

Haha, I said this was going to happen when they introduced BGs.Either BG gear is good for PvE so people will do them because its easy to acquire or its useless in PvE and BGs will die just like the arenas did.Man I love being right.

Zaldor

07-19-2011, 12:34 PM

I only did them for the gear.I sure didn't do it for the social aspect as it seems most PvPers are sociopaths.

Crismorn

07-19-2011, 12:40 PM

I enjoyed them until they went from pvp to pve

Jrral

07-19-2011, 01:54 PM

<cite>Nuadah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe more people would go to BG if the regulars there didn't make snide snarky nasty comments when someone that is trying it out goes. Ive given pvp a go but decided to drop it. All people seemed to care about in my experience was sending twinked to the hilt alts into lowbie areas and gank anyone and everyone continuously. If you could get rid of that behavior maybe more people would participate.</blockquote>That's been my experience too, not just in BGs but anywhere PvP is prevalent/encouraged, and it's probably the primary reason I don't do PvP. It's just not fun.

Neskonlith

07-19-2011, 02:36 PM

SOE appears to be too understaffed to be able to provide any meaningful support to pvp, as it takes them ~3 months to patch in fixes when pvp is broken by new pve updates.The 56+ days of "broken resists" at SF launch was painful, but DoV's predictable set of broken mechanics and lack of itemization was a laugh riot when we returned from the Data Seurity Breach vacation. What eventually did get patched was too little, too late for many.PVP was a fun rush when it was supported by SOE, but it is now very obvious that there are far too many other items in game that SOE needs to allocate their remaining resources towards.

Aneova

07-19-2011, 02:47 PM

wait wait wait.... there's still PVP in EQ2? /ducks

Neskonlith

07-19-2011, 02:58 PM

It's been ~5 months since DoV launch, so how's everyone enjoying the really cool and awesomely fun DoV PVP weapons and accessories?<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />What's that? Issues with itemization?DoV's PVP weapons/accessories might eventually be released, perhaps before the AoD expansion in ~4 months, but I fully anticipate AoD pve gear will once again break PVP to make any such new PVP items worthless once more.Following the timing pattern of updates, AoD PVP gear will likely be released ~April 2012.

Ilovecows

07-19-2011, 06:55 PM

Looking at the update notes, I noticed that there has not been one single change to BGs or pvp since June 24th. That was almost 1 month ago. There are many fixes that could be done pretty easily in that time for pvp. For example, the wrist piece for t4 tanks is not on the merchant. It has been like that for over a month. Is that really a difficult thing to fix?Not just bgs but all of pvp. The wfs have been bugging out and not popping everytime. I doubt that is intended. Have the devs of eq2 decided to just ignore pvp and leave it until eveyone has left? That is the way it feels. that is the reason pvp is dying. That is why everyone is complaining.

Delethen

07-19-2011, 08:12 PM

<cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha, I said this was going to happen when they introduced BGs.Either BG gear is good for PvE so people will do them because its easy to acquire or its useless in PvE and BGs will die just like the arenas did.Man I love being right.</blockquote>Except at this moment in time, I don't believe you are. Until they fix the most glaring issue with BGs - the faction - I don't think you can honestly reach that conclusion.There were more than enough people doing BGs after tundra went live that knew full well that the new stuff was useless in pve, but for around the first 2 weeks there remained a fairly large number of participants. But you can't expect people to do the same BG 99.9% of the time without getting bored sh!tless of it.

Lethe5683

07-20-2011, 03:37 AM

I loved BGs and did them very often for fun not for gear. The recent changes and that disgusting excuse for a new BG have totally ruined them for me. I haven't even bothered to play a single BG in over a month as all I can get is the [Removed for Content] new one.

NardacMM

07-20-2011, 09:31 AM

Prior to DoV, BGs revitalized the game for me. I was rarely playing beforehand, but having an opportunity to play in short intervals in order to work towards obtaining gear that I could use in PvE was a big bonus for somebody with a busy RL. In addition, they were enjoyable. Unfortunately, because the gear is useless in PvE, there are no new PvE players joining, so the community is dead. Furthermore, the fact that only one map awards faction burns out those of us from PvE servers who still enjoy PvP enough to queue up.Something needs to be done to bring people back. In my opinion, there's no reason that the gear is not PvE.. One suggestion is to sell blue adorns that add PvE stats to the armour. Add a yellow adorn slot as well, make the gear somewhat better than PQ gear, and you'll get a flurry of new players.It takes me 5 minutes to run a Ring War in Great Divide and I'm pretty much guaranteed to get a top-end piece of armour. On the other hand, it takes 30 matches at 10-20 minutes apiece to get one piece of armour in BGs*... So 300-600 minutes of gameplay (5-10 hours) versus 5 minutes..... Why shouldn't the loot be usable in PvE and comparable to PQ loot? It is not "easy" to get BG gear..BGs should be an alternate method of gearing up rather than a completely separate game within a game.-Deverel*based on an average of 2 tokens per match

Kizee

07-20-2011, 10:37 AM

Ilovecows

07-20-2011, 05:28 PM

BGs could be made better so that people on pve servers would want to do them for pve rewards, and people who like doing BGs could have people to play with, but it seems as if soe has decided to forget about BGs. There has not been a single dev responce with anything pvp related in either the BG or pvp forums, and the last change that had anything to do with pvp was June 24th, nearly 1 month ago. What is going on? Can we expect some updates and fixes to pvp at all? or should we just forget about it?

Rick777

07-20-2011, 05:44 PM

I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.

Lcneed

07-20-2011, 05:56 PM

I did BG only for the level 90 gears using them for PvE. They were better than the instance gears in SF. After DoV came out I went back for a bit, but decided it was not worth it.

Crismorn

07-20-2011, 06:00 PM

They are a failure mainly because of these reasons.a) 1 map rewards faction and this 1 map changed bg's from pvp/pvp objective to pvp/pve objective and you must run this 1 map in order to get faction for gear.b) it takes no less then 100x more time and effort to get 7 pieces of new pvp gear vs. PQ gear.c) There are 7 slots you can equipt with DoV pvp/bg gear while the other 15ish slots have to be filled with DoV pve gear/SF bg/pvp/pve geard) The huge change that was attempting to make pvp gear better then raid gear basically did nothing since they did not even add pvp/bg jewelery/15ish slots ...e) Best weapons you will ever get for scouts/fighters/melee casters/preists is raid aquired, as is jewelery/etc.Its difficult to say how you could fix it but I would have to suggest releasing full BG/PvP gear when xpacs launch instead of adding 7 pieces 3 months after the xpac releases and then not even bother making gear for the others slots during that entire xpac might help, it also might help if you did not require 100x more time and effort to get 7 pieces of gear then it takes to get 7 pieces of PQ gear.Just an idea... but tbh its probably too late.All the naysayers and ones saying how you knew it would fail, congrats on paying attention to how SoE operates over the last few years your insight is on par with a cat using a litter box

Ilovecows

07-20-2011, 07:56 PM

<cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.

Zaldor

07-20-2011, 08:35 PM

<cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.</blockquote>They certainly aren't enjoyable from the social aspect and rarely enjoyable to play. So stats were really the only thing left. Those are gone. The reason to run them is gone. I stopped running them the moment I saw that the PQ gear was better. Everyone else I know that ran them did the same thing. Are we not bright? Please enlighten us as to the real reason we all quit running BGs because the reason we told ourselves apparently was not the correct one.

dawy

07-20-2011, 08:47 PM

<cite>Hissyfit@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha, I said this was going to happen when they introduced BGs.Either BG gear is good for PvE so people will do them because its easy to acquire or its useless in PvE and BGs will die just like the arenas did.Man I love being right.</blockquote>Yep, thats what I was saying also. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Pretty sure i said the same tbh,got shouted down a touch too i seem to recall<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" />

Ilovecows

07-20-2011, 09:27 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.</blockquote>They certainly aren't enjoyable from the social aspect and rarely enjoyable to play. So stats were really the only thing left. Those are gone. The reason to run them is gone. I stopped running them the moment I saw that the PQ gear was better. Everyone else I know that ran them did the same thing. Are we not bright? Please enlighten us as to the real reason we all quit running BGs because the reason we told ourselves apparently was not the correct one.</blockquote>I was referring to the people more so that wanted to do BGs on occasion just for fun. I wasn't really thinking much of the people who saw them as usable in pve. So i guess a certain group of people may have quit for that reason, but most of the people who played them to enjoy them quit for different reasons. I honestly don't see how they can't be fun, but i guess pvp isn't for everyone.Edit: What i mean to say is the stat change isn't what actually killed bgs, although it may have been a contributing factor for a slight decrease in participants. Even then, there were quite a few people in BGs after DoV and up until 2 or 3 days after gu60.

Crismorn

07-20-2011, 09:32 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.</blockquote>They certainly aren't enjoyable from the social aspect and rarely enjoyable to play. So stats were really the only thing left. Those are gone. The reason to run them is gone. I stopped running them the moment I saw that the PQ gear was better. Everyone else I know that ran them did the same thing. Are we not bright? Please enlighten us as to the real reason we all quit running BGs because the reason we told ourselves apparently was not the correct one.</blockquote>Were talking about the majority of people who played BG's not the few people who mistakenly thought it would be a good idea to spend more time running bgs for gear then they would have spent raiding for superior gear.It's ok though how could you possibly know anything about something you apparently did not enjoy yet did anyways...

Delethen

07-20-2011, 09:33 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.</blockquote>They certainly aren't enjoyable from the social aspect and rarely enjoyable to play. So stats were really the only thing left. Those are gone. The reason to run them is gone. I stopped running them the moment I saw that the PQ gear was better. Everyone else I know that ran them did the same thing. Are we not bright? Please enlighten us as to the real reason we all quit running BGs because the reason we told ourselves apparently was not the correct one.</blockquote>Just because you don't enjoy doing BGs for the sake of it doesn't mean the same applies to everyone. I think its been stated a few times in this thread that yes, there were people that did BGs purely to get gear for PVE, but that wasn't the sole reason why 100% of the BG population took part. If SoE ever take the necessary steps to fix all the major bugs / flaws that exist atm, there is no reason to think the BG population would not be a viable and healthy one.

Rahatmattata

07-21-2011, 12:32 AM

BGs were pretty healthy in T4 and T10 before GU60. Ganak and Den are fun. Gears is fun with a premade or pug vs pug. BGs are dying because Frozen Tundra is not fun, and Frozen Tundra is the only map you can do because the others never pop. It can be 2v2 and it will put you in Tundra... not gears. Additionally, BGs are riddled with bugs... some are game breaking, and have been in the game for far too long.SOE needs to fix the matchmaker to spawn the other maps. This Frozen Tundra onry bullsht has got to go.

Lethe5683

07-21-2011, 04:22 AM

Rick777

07-21-2011, 12:44 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Steppen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I did them solely for the gear, besides the lack of crit mit they were head and shoulders better than any heroic gear you could get, they had adorn slots and they had the class specific focus effects. Crit mit was not an issue back then in the EM raids and certainly not in the heroic zones. They were an absolutely great sedgeway into raiding for almost no work at all. It's funny because almost everyone and their grandmother predicted the demise of BG's as soon as they made them PVP stats only. SOE is the king of 20/20 hindsight.</blockquote>The pvp stats is definaitly not what caused the BGs to die out. Really, it isn't. Those who say it is either aren't that bright or aren't thinking too hard about it. The problem is all the other issues like 1 BG gives faction, how long faction takes compared to pve gear, etc. If they had done it right, pvp stats only would have worked out just fine imo.</blockquote>They certainly aren't enjoyable from the social aspect and rarely enjoyable to play. So stats were really the only thing left. Those are gone. The reason to run them is gone. I stopped running them the moment I saw that the PQ gear was better. Everyone else I know that ran them did the same thing. Are we not bright? Please enlighten us as to the real reason we all quit running BGs because the reason we told ourselves apparently was not the correct one.</blockquote>Same experience for me, but if people say BG's were healthy after they took away PVE stats then I suppose the PVE stats weren't a big reason for people to run them. While PVP and BG's has absolutely no appeal to me I like that they are separate from PVE play and they serve as an outlet for players who do want to PVP and SOE should be encouraged to maintain and improve them.

Talathion

07-21-2011, 01:10 PM

The appearance of the new BG armor is horrible as well compared to dreadnaught gear.

Neskonlith

07-21-2011, 02:59 PM

I had 4 lvl90s in full PQ sets, with factions within a couple weeks (loot RNG loved me), and AAs were topped up on the first double-xp weekend... PVE was a breeze and fun, aside from the buggy stuff. PQs were accessible to everyone, including the casual "scrubs", and they were a massive, rousing success of server-wide participation. PQs reminded me of the massive PVP crowds and zergs we fought in during TSO revamp, where we sometimes pvp'd for 12-14 hours almost non-stop!In contrast, my favourite pvp character took a break from broken PVP one-shots, as there's no point in playing a bugged out system supported only a few times a year, let alone toiling at a job grinding for something that leads nowhere, isn't fun and takes SOE ~6 months or longer to itemize.Either SOE does not have the will to continue supporting PVP, or they no longer have the resources, but it doesn't make much of a difference in the end. In either case, when PVP breaks for months before a half-baked repair is patched in, the pvp game loses a lot of appeal and player support because it appears SOE has forgotten that most of us PVP for fun, not to punish ourselves.

Rahatmattata

07-22-2011, 04:58 AM

Rothgar posted in the BG forums they are working on bugs or something that will be fixed "maybe" in a few weeks. Guess we wait and see.

Lalen

07-22-2011, 05:11 AM

<cite>Deverel@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prior to DoV, BGs revitalized the game for me. I was rarely playing beforehand, but having an opportunity to play in short intervals in order to work towards obtaining gear that I could use in PvE was a big bonus for somebody with a busy RL. In addition, they were enjoyable. Unfortunately, because the gear is useless in PvE, there are no new PvE players joining, so the community is dead. </blockquote>Its not just the gear, a lot of people don't find the BG's enjoyable any more because of the matching and anti-hacking checks. I've seen people come inside the safe areas before the walls came down before and AOE one-shot everyone there... In fact the day that happened I and everyone in that raid came here to complain about it to have the thread just removed (no names were mentioned). 3 weeks later I saw the same 2 "jokers" back in the BG's warping, one-shotting, etc. This is what ruined the BG's for me, well that and the gear wasn't worth the hastle.

Ilovecows

07-26-2011, 01:36 PM

I think it is quite obvious now that they do not care 1 little bit about either BGs or pvp. There has not been one single, even a very tiny, change for either bgs or pvp in OVER ONE MONTH. And the lack of any response or answers to any issues with pvp shows that they want us to just screw off and quit bugging them about it.They don't care. They are just going to leave it to die.

Filly67

07-26-2011, 01:44 PM

<cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.

Delethen

07-26-2011, 01:59 PM

<cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You lot really need to stop perpetuating this myth that they were only popular for the gear. Its just not true for a great number of people.

Filly67

07-26-2011, 02:07 PM

<cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You lot really need to stop perpetuating this myth that they were only popular for the gear. Its just not true for a great number of people.</blockquote>Just giving my opinion from my experiences which were plenty. I also noticed that many guilds loved to go in just to ninja casual players as they zoned in after dying but I am sure that they were the minority too.

Ilovecows

07-26-2011, 03:35 PM

<cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You lot really need to stop perpetuating this myth that they were only popular for the gear. Its just not true for a great number of people.</blockquote>Just giving my opinion from my experiences which were plenty. I also noticed that many guilds loved to go in just to ninja casual players as they zoned in after dying but I am sure that they were the minority too.</blockquote>From my experience also, I can tell that you are incorrect. Some people may have stopped BGing because they can't get any worthwhile pve gear out of it any more, including you, but that isn't most. And unlike you, I actually have fact to support my assertion. Even after DoV came out, and everyone knew that BG gear was crap in pve, bgs were still quite busy. It was never hard to Queue up for a bg and get in within a couple minutes.As more proof, people bged in t4 for the joy of doing so, not for the gear. Sure, some people may have been farming for higher level alts, but most were there for the joy. They were all still there, up until a couple of days after gu60. What does that say to you? I know what it says to me.Hopefully now that they are making all bgs award faction and not just Tundra, we will see a lot more people start to queue up for bgs.

DHAELUS

07-26-2011, 04:16 PM

A dev responded <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=502917#top">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...c_id=502917#top</a>

Crismorn

07-26-2011, 04:51 PM

<cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You are wrong, BG's were very popular regardless of the rewards by many players 9including myself during SF as they were fun.Me saying that crafting has lost alot of popularity because it requires tables has as much merit as your uninformed opinions on BG's

Filly67

07-26-2011, 04:59 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You are wrong, BG's were very popular regardless of the rewards by many players 9including myself during SF as they were fun.Me saying that crafting has lost alot of popularity because it requires tables has as much merit as your uninformed opinions on BG's</blockquote>I love that since my opinion is not the same as yours then I am wrong. And again, I didn't say that SOE shouldn't fix the problem. Just giving my view based on BG in Unrest.

Crismorn

07-26-2011, 05:06 PM

<cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You are wrong, BG's were very popular regardless of the rewards by many players 9including myself during SF as they were fun.Me saying that crafting has lost alot of popularity because it requires tables has as much merit as your uninformed opinions on BG's</blockquote>I love that since my opinion is not the same as yours then I am wrong. And again, I didn't say that SOE shouldn't fix the problem. Just giving my view based on BG in Unrest. </blockquote>They have never been on a specific server they have always been a world wide game that takes players from various servers into a specific instance.Please stop with uninformed opinions on topics you know nothing about.

Filly67

07-26-2011, 05:32 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You are wrong, BG's were very popular regardless of the rewards by many players 9including myself during SF as they were fun.Me saying that crafting has lost alot of popularity because it requires tables has as much merit as your uninformed opinions on BG's</blockquote>I love that since my opinion is not the same as yours then I am wrong. And again, I didn't say that SOE shouldn't fix the problem. Just giving my view based on BG in Unrest. </blockquote>They have never been on a specific server they have always been a world wide game that takes players from various servers into a specific instance.Please stop with uninformed opinions on topics you know nothing about.</blockquote>Easy Mr. Wonderful, I meant the population on unrest that I speak to and play with. Stop being so pompus. I am pretty sure since your so smart you should have been able to figure that out. You would just rather insult people. I can see why your so committed to BGs. Probably one of the many that ran in with a huge group of their friends and camped the respawn points.

Crismorn

07-26-2011, 05:59 PM

<cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Filly67 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First off, your personal feelings about a type of gameplay is no excuse to not fix broken buggy low quality crap in the game. Second, not sure what you guys are smoking. BGs were extremely popular before GU60 and after DoV when the BG gear was considered garbage. It is not the gear that is killing off BGs; you are out of touch. To say no one likes them and the vast majority of players don't pvp is ignorant at best. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.</blockquote>I agree that if it's in the game they should support it.... but that being said. BGs as mentioned already were only popular for the gear that got many non raiders through some content. Now that it is only good for PVP the majority of the population couldn't care less. Me included.</blockquote>You are wrong, BG's were very popular regardless of the rewards by many players 9including myself during SF as they were fun.Me saying that crafting has lost alot of popularity because it requires tables has as much merit as your uninformed opinions on BG's</blockquote>I love that since my opinion is not the same as yours then I am wrong. And again, I didn't say that SOE shouldn't fix the problem. Just giving my view based on BG in Unrest. </blockquote>They have never been on a specific server they have always been a world wide game that takes players from various servers into a specific instance.Please stop with uninformed opinions on topics you know nothing about.</blockquote>Easy Mr. Wonderful, I meant the population on unrest that I speak to and play with. Stop being so pompus. I am pretty sure since your so smart you should have been able to figure that out. You would just rather insult people. I can see why your so committed to BGs. Probably one of the many that ran in with a huge group of their friends and camped the respawn points. </blockquote>I solo queue'd 90%+ of the time I bg'd and have not run them months because Tundra is more pve then pvp, I do not expect you to know this since you obviously were never into bg's in the first place since you are discussing side topics that have nothing to do with bg's at all.In the future I suggest reading up on topics you wish to discusss to avoid these situations where you are called out for forming opinions on secondhand uninformed opinions about as gameplay you have never witnessed let alone participated in.This ties into the whole crafting losing popularity because it requires tables which is a baseless uninformed opinion on something I obviously know nothing about.