What to upgrade?

[Healze]

<p>Hi,</p><p>I am currently running a Intel core 2 quad 2.44, 3 gigs of ddr2 ram, and a 1gig nvidia 9800gt video card.  If I was to upgrade on of these, which would give me the best performance increase?</p><p>Thanks</p>

[Smirk]

<p>save up for a cpu/motherboard/memory upgrade imo, will help a lot</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>Upgrading your CPU to a higher clocked processor would probably net the largest performance gains.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Upgrading your CPU to a higher clocked processor would probably net the largest performance gains.</p></blockquote><p>How come I saw 0% performance gain from a 3.2ghz cpu to a 3.7ghz cpu?</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Upgrading your CPU to a higher clocked processor would probably net the largest performance gains.</p></blockquote><p>How come I saw 0% performance gain from a 3.2ghz cpu to a 3.7ghz cpu?</p></blockquote><p>well 500 mhz isn't much, nor did you indicate what type of processor you went from, and went to, as all processors are not created equal regardless of clock speed.  A 15% increase in clock speed isn't going to net you a 15% FPS increase or 15% decrease in load times simply because you are running 15% higher in clock speed.  The definition of performance gain may apply to much more than you are limiting it to.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Upgrading your CPU to a higher clocked processor would probably net the largest performance gains.</p></blockquote><p>How come I saw 0% performance gain from a 3.2ghz cpu to a 3.7ghz cpu?</p></blockquote><p>well 500 mhz isn't much, nor did you indicate what type of processor you went from, and went to, as all processors are not created equal regardless of clock speed.  A 15% increase in clock speed isn't going to net you a 15% FPS increase or 15% decrease in load times simply because you are running 15% higher in clock speed.  The definition of performance gain may apply to much more than you are limiting it to.</p></blockquote><p>from</p><p><a href="http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=618&f1=&f2=&f3=&f4=&f5=&f6=&f7=&f8=&f9=&f10=&f11=&f12=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskt...p;f11=&f12=</a></p><p>to</p><p><a href="http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=726&f1=&f2=&f3=&f4=&f5=&f6=&f7=&f8=&f9=&f10=&f11=&f12=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskt...p;f11=&f12=</a></p><p>this 1 shuts down 3 cores and auto oc's the other 3 to 3.7ghz</p><p>also</p><p>I went from</p><p><a href="http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/GraphicCards/GTseries/240GT.aspx?lang=en-us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/...aspx?lang=en-us</a></p><p>the 1gb gddr5 version</p><p>to</p><p><a href="http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1373-AR&family=GeForce%20400%20Series%20Family&sw=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.evga.com/products/moreIn...0Family&sw=</a></p><p>so far the up grade from each netted me 0% performance in Everquest II</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>You essentially upgraded to a slightly better version of the same processor with additional cores.  The performance gains may not come in the way you expect it to.  Seeing as each core isn't much faster than the processor you came from, the performance gains would be similarly as insignificant.</p><p>Going from a GTX260 to 460 Ti cleared up a huge drop in performance for me in busier areas, not sure why you think it net you 0% gains.  My FPS can stay above my expectations with GPU shadows on, and everything else on extreme quality, even during a busy full raid.  What did you use to monitor this or do you just have a feeling its 0%?</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You essentially upgraded to a slightly better version of the same processor with additional cores.  The performance gains may not come in the way you expect it to.  Seeing as each core isn't much faster than the processor you came from, the performance gains would be similarly as insignificant.</p><p>Going from a GTX260 to 460 Ti cleared up a huge drop in performance for me in busier areas, not sure why you think it net you 0% gains.  My FPS can stay above my expectations with GPU shadows on, and everything else on extreme quality, even during a busy full raid.  What did you use to monitor this or do you just have a feeling its 0%?</p></blockquote><p>what cpu you use?</p><p>is this game compatible with amd? has it been tested with amd?</p><p>on extreme quality I am getting 16 frames or less solo in a empty gh if I was grouped or raiding I think client would lock up and stop responding also i am at a low res not full hd only 720p 1360x768</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/badframerate.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You essentially upgraded to a slightly better version of the same processor with additional cores.  The performance gains may not come in the way you expect it to.  Seeing as each core isn't much faster than the processor you came from, the performance gains would be similarly as insignificant.</p><p>Going from a GTX260 to 460 Ti cleared up a huge drop in performance for me in busier areas, not sure why you think it net you 0% gains.  My FPS can stay above my expectations with GPU shadows on, and everything else on extreme quality, even during a busy full raid.  What did you use to monitor this or do you just have a feeling its 0%?</p></blockquote><p>what cpu you use?</p><p>is this game compatible with amd? has it been tested with amd?</p><p>on extreme quality I am getting 16 frames or less solo in a empty gh if I was grouped or raiding I think client would lock up and stop responding also i am at a low res not full hd only 720p 1360x768</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/badframerate.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p></blockquote><p>I use a Q9650 at 3GHZ (stock) and play at 1920x1080 res</p><p>We'd have to compare exact same locations to get a better feel of a comparison.  </p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You essentially upgraded to a slightly better version of the same processor with additional cores.  The performance gains may not come in the way you expect it to.  Seeing as each core isn't much faster than the processor you came from, the performance gains would be similarly as insignificant.</p><p>Going from a GTX260 to 460 Ti cleared up a huge drop in performance for me in busier areas, not sure why you think it net you 0% gains.  My FPS can stay above my expectations with GPU shadows on, and everything else on extreme quality, even during a busy full raid.  What did you use to monitor this or do you just have a feeling its 0%?</p></blockquote><p>what cpu you use?</p><p>is this game compatible with amd? has it been tested with amd?</p><p>on extreme quality I am getting 16 frames or less solo in a empty gh if I was grouped or raiding I think client would lock up and stop responding also i am at a low res not full hd only 720p 1360x768</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/badframerate.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p></blockquote><p>I use a Q9650 at 3GHZ (stock) and play at 1920x1080 res</p><p>We'd have to compare exact same locations to get a better feel of a comparison.  </p></blockquote><p>Most of this expansions the king of lag</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/14frames.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>You know what, I actually get really bad performance right there too and have reported issues with Paineel specifically.</p><p>But with my setup, Q9650, 460 Ti, I get a good 22FPS or so (windowed) right there in that same spot.  Theres a heavy stutter in this area that doesn't exist in others for me which has also been reported but I'm not convinced yet that it isn't just my PC.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know what, I actually get really bad performance right there too and have reported issues with Paineel specifically.</p><p>But with my setup, Q9650, 460 Ti, I get a good 22FPS or so (windowed) right there in that same spot.  Theres a heavy stutter in this area that doesn't exist in others for me which has also been reported but I'm not convinced yet that it isn't just my PC.</p></blockquote><p>Kerra isle has allot at these frame rates and most of the hole expansion and when running/moving/traveling they just plummet</p><p>are they planing to put rendering on gpu this year?</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know what, I actually get really bad performance right there too and have reported issues with Paineel specifically.</p><p>But with my setup, Q9650, 460 Ti, I get a good 22FPS or so (windowed) right there in that same spot.  Theres a heavy stutter in this area that doesn't exist in others for me which has also been reported but I'm not convinced yet that it isn't just my PC.</p></blockquote><p>Kerra isle has allot at these frame rates and most of the hole expansion and when running/moving/traveling they just plummet</p><p>are they planing to put rendering on gpu this year?</p></blockquote><p>I wouldn't know.  Not a dev <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'll see what I can find out though.  </p>

[Smirk]

<p>Peogia, try using gpu shadows instead of default extreme quality, the cpu shadows look really good but they kill performance on all machines <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>to compare fps i get 3 in extreme quality in that very same place as you but when using gpu shadows i get 44, cpu is a intel i5 2500k oc'd to 4.8ghz and a gtx560ti</p>

[Thraxarious]

<p>     Sounds like there might be other bottlenecks or configuration issues. I've been doing pretty well on my ATI 4870 for a while now, but plan to do a bit of upgrading later.</p><p>     Drivers, chipsets, windows configurations, Bios settings, HDD types, monitor types and arrangements (Dual monitor can lower rates), heat dissapation, power supply stability, etc...</p><p>   Soooo many things go into making a solid stable and fast system. Putting it on the bench and running some tests can help you find out some spots to fix up.</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Smirkna@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Peogia, try using gpu shadows instead of default extreme quality, the cpu shadows look really good but they kill performance on all machines <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>to compare fps i get 3 in extreme quality in that very same place as you but when using gpu shadows i get 44, cpu is a intel i5 2500k oc'd to 4.8ghz and a gtx560ti</p></blockquote><p>I'm hesitant to mention but your OC might not be as stable as you think it is if you dip to 3 FPS with CPU shadows.</p><p>I use a much weaker, much lower clocked CPU with the same video card and don't dip under 18ish in that spot on Extreme with CPU shadows.  I do get a very decent FPS with GPU shadows there too.</p>

[Smirk]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Smirkna@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Peogia, try using gpu shadows instead of default extreme quality, the cpu shadows look really good but they kill performance on all machines <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>to compare fps i get 3 in extreme quality in that very same place as you but when using gpu shadows i get 44, cpu is a intel i5 2500k oc'd to 4.8ghz and a gtx560ti</p></blockquote><p>I'm hesitant to mention but your OC might not be as stable as you think it is if you dip to 3 FPS with CPU shadows.</p><p>I use a much weaker, much lower clocked CPU with the same video card and don't dip under 18ish in that spot on Extreme with CPU shadows.  I do get a very decent FPS with GPU shadows there too.</p></blockquote><p>I'm getting 3 fps with cpu unclocked too, so im not sure what's wrong, maybe some driver related problems? when i turned off anti aliasing my fps went up to 7!</p><p>oh btw, running through tox forest with default extreme quality (cpu shadows) gives me everything from 15 to 40 fps, in the guildhall it drops to 3..</p>

[Rothgar]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You essentially upgraded to a slightly better version of the same processor with additional cores.  The performance gains may not come in the way you expect it to.  Seeing as each core isn't much faster than the processor you came from, the performance gains would be similarly as insignificant.</p><p>Going from a GTX260 to 460 Ti cleared up a huge drop in performance for me in busier areas, not sure why you think it net you 0% gains.  My FPS can stay above my expectations with GPU shadows on, and everything else on extreme quality, even during a busy full raid.  What did you use to monitor this or do you just have a feeling its 0%?</p></blockquote><p>what cpu you use?</p><p>is this game compatible with amd? has it been tested with amd?</p><p>on extreme quality I am getting 16 frames or less solo in a empty gh if I was grouped or raiding I think client would lock up and stop responding also i am at a low res not full hd only 720p 1360x768</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/badframerate.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p></blockquote><p>I use a Q9650 at 3GHZ (stock) and play at 1920x1080 res</p><p>We'd have to compare exact same locations to get a better feel of a comparison.  </p></blockquote><p>Most of this expansions the king of lag</p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/14frames.jpg" width="1023" height="531" /></p></blockquote><p>CPU Shadows are definitely killing the frame rate here for some reason.  I'm running at 1920x1200, on Extreme Quality was only getting about 6-7 fps with shadows on and about 27fps with shadows off. </p><p>I'll do some profiling in this area to see if we can find any quick performance improvements.</p>

[Rotate]

<p>i just tested this spot too.. 2600k clocked at 4.5ghz 470gtx    and gpu shadows.. 50 fps.. with 100% cpu core use on the core eq2 is running and 50% gpu usage... turn on cpu shadows core use drops to 60-70 on the single core eq2 is runing on... and i get 9 fps and  99% gpu usage.  </p><p>weird that cpu shadows on would caused the vid card to run 100% and gpu shadows on cuase it to run 50%.</p>

[Smirk]

<p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i just tested this spot too.. 2600k clocked at 4.5ghz 470gtx    and gpu shadows.. 50 fps.. with 100% cpu core use on the core eq2 is running and 50% gpu usage... turn on cpu shadows core use drops to 60-70 on the single core eq2 is runing on... and i get 9 fps and  99% gpu usage.  </p><p>weird that cpu shadows on would caused the vid card to run 100% and gpu shadows on cuase it to run 50%.</p></blockquote><p>i see similar things happening here, although my gpu usage is 80-98ish% with gpu shadows and 99% with cpu shadows, cpu usage deffo drops when i turn on cpu shadows.</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>Thanks for the help Rothgar!</p>

[npincher]

<p>That area in Paineel, among other places, is where I could consistently cause a crash when I was running in full screen on 3 monitors (5760x1080).</p><p>I wish my Eyefinity setup would work it eq2. It's was so nice......</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>It definitely gets heavy there.</p>

[Bromir]

<p><cite>Healze wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hi,</p><p>I am currently running a Intel core 2 quad 2.44, 3 gigs of ddr2 ram, and a 1gig nvidia 9800gt video card.  If I was to upgrade on of these, which would give me the best performance increase?</p><p>Thanks</p></blockquote><p>The ram for sure..</p><p>this is probably a bit controversial, but <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>This computer is a e6600 ( dual core ), 8gb dd2, 1gb 5770 rig.</p><p>I dual box on it with one client running pretty much maxed graphics and the other running at very presentable levels.</p><p>Having lots of native texture memory (  the mem on your graphics adaptor ) is something eq2 seems to enjoy. My system runs win7 x64 and I run without a page file. Over time I have tested eq2 rather heavily to get to a configuration where i could run 2 clients without the burden of having the virtual memory punching my gametime in the face.</p><p>4GB ram is enough to run eq2 with no pagefile with almost all at max but when you load a stuffed T3 gh or enter a high detailed raid zone in a full raid with all them textures going you can at times run out with 4gb ( rarely ). 8GB however is enough to run both with no issues.</p><p>With your setup, you would get a major improvement if you got 4gb dd2 and destroyed the pagefile. then run a defrag and run the game again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Before anyone starts yelling at me about the pagefile I want to say that this is something i have tested extensively ( really ).  that darn pagefile is a horrible bottleneck for data transfers.</p><p>I hope this helps, It should be the cheapest way to upgrade your setup.</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>Sorry I cannot agree with removing your pagefile at all.  I would recommend setting a set pagefile size and keeping it defragged.  That's about it.  Otherwise, moving to 4GB is absolutely a good plan as well but keep the pagefile.</p>

[Bromir]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sorry I cannot agree with removing your pagefile at all.  I would recommend setting a set pagefile size and keeping it defragged.  That's about it.  Otherwise, moving to 4GB is absolutely a good plan as well but keep the pagefile.</p></blockquote><p>Running without a pagefile is absolutely fantastic.</p><p> edit:  just don't do it if you have less than 4gb ram and then run with all textures at "high". 512 mb graphics adapter seems to work well with 1 client but i recommend having 1gb for two clients. If you have 8gb ram you can beef it up. I have tested this to great lenghts ever since eq2 came out . It works and works well .</p><p>Also removing the pagefile is not something you should get into unless you know what you are doing ! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>you should try it ..</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>From a personal preference point of view, I wouldn't want to drop my textures to High from Maximum either nor would I want to modify what else I do on the system just to compensate for a Pagefile I don't agree should be removed in the first place.</p><p>From a purely technical standpoint, I still disagree with removing your pagefile unless you have enough RAM to cover everything you do on your system individually.  Most consumers will not.</p>

[Bromir]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From a purely technical standpoint, I still disagree with removing your pagefile unless you have enough RAM to cover everything you do on your system individually.  Most consumers will not.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed..</p><p>No harm in just trying though is there ? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> you can allways just reenable it hehe.. have some fun ..</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Bromir@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From a purely technical standpoint, I still disagree with removing your pagefile unless you have enough RAM to cover everything you do on your system individually.  Most consumers will not.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed..</p><p>No harm in just trying though is there ? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> you can allways just reenable it hehe.. have some fun ..</p></blockquote><p>No harm sure, but as an official stance from SOE I cannot recommend doing so <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[JustaLlama]

<p>Assuming you can use your old case and power supply you can build a pretty hot new system for around 600 bucks.  It's alot easier to build one now than it used to be, just slap everything in, make sure the timings are right on your memory, and boom.  Heck you might be able to get off as low as 500 if you shop around and wait for specials and use coupon codes (sign up on some popular electronics websites to get mail and special offers).</p><p>Unfortunately my new system doesn't like EQ2.  Been trying to get it to run for 2 days.  I actually made it into the game earlier for about 2 minutes.</p>

[Peogia]

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[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>I've heard an EQII install, and swap file, on an SSD is an amazing loading/performance increase.  What's your experience so far?</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've heard an EQII install, and swap file, on an SSD is an amazing loading/performance increase.  What's your experience so far?</p></blockquote><p>Everything overall feels a little more smoother and more snappier/responsive, zoning and loading isn't really that much faster in Everquest II on a SSD and SSD is still susceptible to the same zoning issues in Everquest II as spindle hard-drives like waiting for zone server connecting to zone server ect those 2 are all to common through out the entire game and can really tell how bad ping is delayed on SSD with how many spells I can hit and most don't trigger with over a 200ping<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /> through out entire game</p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Spindle hard-drive W7 Index Score</span></span></p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/IndexscorewithWDSpindelHDD.png" width="1024" height="578" /></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">SSD W7 Index Score</span></span></p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/SSDW7IndexScore.png" width="1024" height="578" /></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">Detailed Index W7 Score with SSD</span></span></p><p><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy289/Icexstorm69/SSDPerformanceIndex.png" width="1024" height="578" /></p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p></blockquote><p>No issue at all with any DOV instances? What ping do you get on The_Bazaar server?</p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p></blockquote><p>No issue at all with any DOV instances? What ping do you get on The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>From home last night, about 150ish consistently.  It's a bit higher than EF, where I average 90 to 100 consistently, but it shouldn't be the souce of an issue in and of itself.  </p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p></blockquote><p>No issue at all with any DOV instances? What ping do you get on The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>From home last night, about 150ish consistently.  It's a bit higher than EF, where I average 90 to 100 consistently, but it shouldn't be the souce of an issue in and of itself.  </p></blockquote><p>Ping and ISP speeds can tank zoning, loading and even game play</p><p>Wow The_Bazaar is broken you shouldn't be getting worse ping on The_Bazaar vs Everfrost they are both west coast servers as posted by Rothgar here</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=502154" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=502154</a></p>

[TSR-JoshuaM]

<p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p></blockquote><p>No issue at all with any DOV instances? What ping do you get on The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>From home last night, about 150ish consistently.  It's a bit higher than EF, where I average 90 to 100 consistently, but it shouldn't be the souce of an issue in and of itself.  </p></blockquote><p>Ping and ISP speeds can tank zoning, loading and even game play</p><p>Wow The_Bazaar is broken you shouldn't be getting worse ping on The_Bazaar vs Everfrost they are both west coast servers as posted by Rothgar here</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=502154" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=502154</a></p></blockquote><p>You sure do make leaps <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>It could also mean at that time people were on MY network using my bandwidth.  I don't make assumptions, I deal with the facts.</p><p>I'll do more testing as soon as I can.</p>

[Peogia]

<p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Peogia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TSR-JoshuaM wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah the waiting/connecting for zone server portions are fairly literal in what is going on behind the scenes.  Won't be able to speed that up on your end.  Sometimes it's quick but it's really dependent on the population, people in the zone you are trying to create, and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Some of the worst are tier 3 antonica guild hall when empty no 1 in it and virtually every group/raid instance in game</p></blockquote><p>I don't see a problem with 'virtually every group/raid instance in game" and I run a HM raiding guild clearing everything including sullon/tallons...  I.e. I run everything in the game every week with two full 24 man raid parties.  We do have zoning issues but they are few and far between when it affects more than 1 person.</p><p>Now, T3 guild halls, there are a ton of guild halls.  Even if yours is empty at the time, its being created ont he same server(s) that is hosting everyone elses.  Optimizations to how that is handled are ongoing and will get better as we progress.</p></blockquote><p>I am on The_Bazaar server maybe its server hardware related? How old is the hardware in The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure, I don't get that kind of information directly I have to request it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p><p>But i am going to test Bazaar directly myself later this evening, see if I can force it and get a good gauge on how it affects just that server.</p></blockquote><p>How was performance on The_Bazaar?</p></blockquote><p>I put in an hour or so with my test character there zoning around.  It didn't seem much different than EF.  But it might have been a low pop time and I'm still playing around on the bazaar server when I get time to.</p></blockquote><p>No issue at all with any DOV instances? What ping do you get on The_Bazaar server?</p></blockquote><p>From home last night, about 150ish consistently.  It's a bit higher than EF, where I average 90 to 100 consistently, but it shouldn't be the souce of an issue in and of itself.  </p></blockquote><p>Ping and ISP speeds can tank zoning, loading and even game play</p><p>Wow The_Bazaar is broken you shouldn't be getting worse ping on The_Bazaar vs Everfrost they are both west coast servers as posted by Rothgar here</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=502154" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=502154</a></p></blockquote><p>You sure do make leaps <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>It could also mean at that time people were on MY network using my bandwidth.  I don't make assumptions, I deal with the facts.</p><p>I'll do more testing as soon as I can.</p></blockquote><p>Have you tried both public quests on The_Bazaar server during populated/busy hours in game?</p><p>I would have to say performance has gotten worse on The_Bazaar server in Storm Gorge PQ with around 33+ in zone and allot at PQ the lags so bad health bars don't up date only show you alive or dead and spells don't work at all I have to pull over to side of PQ for 5min and sit there hitting heals for 5mins before server responds and lets me heal but usually wipe before that happens as none of the heals work as servers entirely linkdead</p>