Which tank with wizard and warden?

[Duckforcetwo]

<p>Greetings all... I am returning to norrath, and i'm planning on making a tank character to go with my 2 friends... they play a wizard and a warden.. so dps and healing is taken care of..</p><p>they want to be able to tackle some dungeons and tough mobs and therefore need a tank...</p><p>but which one would fit well into this group....</p><p>I was thinking guardian, but returning and reading the boards, it seems like they bring nothing the other classes can't bring and more...</p><p>would a monk be able to tank quite well with such a group?</p><p>or should i just go beserker or paladin?</p>

[Tailchaser]

<p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #008000;">Well the flavor of the month(s) overpowered choice is SK, but honestly I'd just recommend whichever playstyle fits you best. Monk will have feign death and mend but I personally got tired of the 10 high reuse CA spam. Berserker gives you that sweet AOE dmg/threat, etc etc. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino; color: #008000;">Either way best of luck and welcome back!</span></p>

[Bruener]

<p>Running as that trio I would definitely recommend the Paladin.  /Amends the Wizard and no worry on agro control at all.</p><p>Start talking about building up a full group with hate transfers and that recommendation might be changed and really it gets to the point in heroic content that the tank style doesn't matter.</p><p>Start looking to raid, roll a Brawler....well lets just say for lots of reasons.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p>SK is the tank choice for most since it requires very little talent to play and is severely overpowered.</p>

[Wasuna]

<p>SK would make your little group go faster but the wizard will eventually start eating your lunch for agro without some form of hate transfer or hate buff.</p><p>If you wanted to stop that I'd say Paladin or Guardian. But, Guardian is only good after you hit level 81 and have enough AA's to get Group Moderate and Shoulder the Burden which would be something like 220 AA's or so. Paladin would be good as soon as you get the amends spell.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>Go shadowknight.</p><p>In the beginning while leveling up agro will be a pain. No tank classes can effectively deal with agro control without a couple of key spells and/or AA. Brawlers/guardians will never be able to hold agro at that level effectively, especially aoe agro. Paladins will have issues until they get amends.  </p><p>Shadowknights and zerkers at earlier levels have the aoe agro to hold off a wizard and enough single target agro to make your life less frustrating. Especially shadowknights. When you get high enough level and feel at some point you may want to go more defensive or start to have issues with agro from the wizard you can betray to paladin from shadowknight or guardian from zerker. Amends will help from paladins and moderate from guardians. Brawlers are essentially the same class.</p><p>Go shadowknight its the main reason why it is still the most popular class in the game.</p><p>Also ignore bruener comments about brawlers for raiding. This game has always had 1 brawler in raids this expansion is no exception very few guilds run with 2 brawlers in a raid. In fact there is only 1 guild in game i know of that continuously has 2 brawlers in a raid at a time. Most raid guilds run with 3 fighters 1 of each archtype usually.</p>

[Controlor]

<p>For that set up i would go with Paladin. Agro is a non issue for them pretty much (even without amends). They have the most aoe's out of all the tanks. Can help heal themselves and rez if healer dies. Many a groups saved after healer got killed by an aoe and i was able to keep myself up and rez the healer in combat.</p><p>As for the people who are syaing SK's are OP seriously how? Their dps is not overwhelming over that of the other tanks. They have prob the worst snap agros out of all the tanks. Their survivability is about that of a Zerker or less. They just offer a lot of utility than the other classes. Life taps also = joke if yah have a warder.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Controlor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For that set up i would go with Paladin. Agro is a non issue for them pretty much (even without amends). They have the most aoe's out of all the tanks. Can help heal themselves and rez if healer dies. Many a groups saved after healer got killed by an aoe and i was able to keep myself up and rez the healer in combat.</p><p>As for the people who are syaing SK's are OP seriously how? Their dps is not overwhelming over that of the other tanks. They have prob the worst snap agros out of all the tanks. Their survivability is about that of a Zerker or less. They just offer a lot of utility than the other classes. Life taps also = joke if yah have a warder.</p></blockquote><p>Its simple really.  They are trolls.  Hungry little trolls trying to constantly point at SKs to keep the light off of Brawlers at the moment.  Most likely they are trying to ride out being OP'd for a couple xpacs if they keep up the good work.</p><p>With a Brawler though instead of a Paladin he could ditch everybody and just go solo the stuff.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Controlor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For that set up i would go with Paladin. Agro is a non issue for them pretty much (even without amends). They have the most aoe's out of all the tanks. Can help heal themselves and rez if healer dies. Many a groups saved after healer got killed by an aoe and i was able to keep myself up and rez the healer in combat.</p><p>As for the people who are syaing SK's are OP seriously how? Their dps is not overwhelming over that of the other tanks. They have prob the worst snap agros out of all the tanks. Their survivability is about that of a Zerker or less. They just offer a lot of utility than the other classes. Life taps also = joke if yah have a warder.</p></blockquote><p>Its simple really.  They are trolls.  Hungry little trolls trying to constantly point at SKs to keep the light off of Brawlers at the moment.  Most likely they are trying to ride out being OP'd for a couple xpacs if they keep up the good work.</p><p>With a Brawler though instead of a Paladin he could ditch everybody and just go solo the stuff.</p></blockquote><p>SK is by far the better soloer.</p>

[Controlor]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Controlor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For that set up i would go with Paladin. Agro is a non issue for them pretty much (even without amends). They have the most aoe's out of all the tanks. Can help heal themselves and rez if healer dies. Many a groups saved after healer got killed by an aoe and i was able to keep myself up and rez the healer in combat.</p><p>As for the people who are syaing SK's are OP seriously how? Their dps is not overwhelming over that of the other tanks. They have prob the worst snap agros out of all the tanks. Their survivability is about that of a Zerker or less. They just offer a lot of utility than the other classes. Life taps also = joke if yah have a warder.</p></blockquote><p>Its simple really.  They are trolls.  Hungry little trolls trying to constantly point at SKs to keep the light off of Brawlers at the moment.  Most likely they are trying to ride out being OP'd for a couple xpacs if they keep up the good work.</p><p><strong>With a Brawler though instead of a Paladin he could ditch everybody and just go solo the stuff.</strong></p></blockquote><p>And what cant a paladin solo? Sure i guess they might not be able to solo Kael or some of the instances but they can easily Trio (or duo if yah got a good enough mystic / inq) instances.</p>

[Wasuna]

<p>Paladin - Not great DPS until gear/AA's allow it later on but will hold agro of the wizard like a champ and is a good tank.</p><p>Guardian - Slow, plodding tank with subpar dps but with up to date gear will tank like a champ. Agro for the wizard won't be to bad with Moderate spell which decrease the agro of a single group member. Later on when you get group moderate and shoulder the burden then you can basically hold agro on a group pretty easily depending on gear/Adornments and group make up.</p><p>SK - Great tank DPS for all levels. Will help move your group through stuff much faster. Agro will be an issue once the wizard starts getting gear/spells/experiance. More on single target longer fights than multiple mob fast fights.</p><p>Brawlers - Decent single target dps but are pretty squishy for yellow and harder stuff until you get to 80+ for the gear that gives better mitigation. They will also have agro issues.</p><p>Berserker - Decent tank but basically a Guardian light until level 80 when you can get your epic weapon which gives you 100% AoE melee attack. I have never played a berserker so this could be off though. Berserkers used to have great defensive abilities and self heals but those have been severly reduced here recently.</p>

[Controlor]

<p>Wasuna you forgot monks.</p>

[Duckforcetwo]

<p>Thanks for all your great replies...</p><p>there's a reason i never mentioned SK, and that is because i won't go evil side... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Anyways, after long consideration, it became the paladin..</p><p>Good aggro, good aoe, minor healing and nice utility... those were the things that appealed to me.</p><p>But i'd love to hear more about what a brawler can deliver in soloing? (just in case i need an alt to solo with)</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Duckforcetwo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks for all your great replies...</p><p>there's a reason i never mentioned SK, and that is because i won't go evil side... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Anyways, after long consideration, it became the paladin..</p><p>Good aggro, good aoe, minor healing and nice utility... those were the things that appealed to me.</p><p>But i'd love to hear more about what a brawler can deliver in soloing? (just in case i need an alt to solo with)</p></blockquote><p>Great for flopping to named.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Duckforcetwo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks for all your great replies...</p><p>there's a reason i never mentioned SK, and that is because i won't go evil side... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Anyways, after long consideration, it became the paladin..</p><p>Good aggro, good aoe, minor healing and nice utility... those were the things that appealed to me.</p><p>But i'd love to hear more about what a brawler can deliver in soloing? (just in case i need an alt to solo with)</p></blockquote><p>Great for flopping to named.</p></blockquote><p>If only an SK had fd, or maybe if they had an item you could tinker that could make u fd then all tanks could run to a named and flop.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Duckforcetwo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thanks for all your great replies...</p><p>there's a reason i never mentioned SK, and that is because i won't go evil side... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Anyways, after long consideration, it became the paladin..</p><p>Good aggro, good aoe, minor healing and nice utility... those were the things that appealed to me.</p><p>But i'd love to hear more about what a brawler can deliver in soloing? (just in case i need an alt to solo with)</p></blockquote><p>Great for flopping to named.</p></blockquote><p>If only an SK had fd, or maybe if they had an item you could tinker that could make u fd then all tanks could run to a named and flop.</p></blockquote><p>Well its simple really.  SK you sit and wait how much longer to have FD up?  Not to mention that at the higher end how many more AAs do you have to have to do Furor versus Tsunami?  And of course the recast on Furor as well compared to Tsunami.</p><p>Yes, SKs can solo trash much better and faster.  Great for power leveling!!!!  But Brawlers have always been better named hunters in contested areas.</p><p>I am sure you are going to have some ridiculous claim trying to make Brawlers sound inferior to SKs to come back with though.  I mean you do it for the raid perspective when it is quite the opposite as more and more people are finding out.</p>

[Wasuna]

<p><cite>Duckforcetwo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But i'd love to hear more about what a brawler can deliver in soloing? (just in case i need an alt to solo with)</p></blockquote><p>Brawlers (Brusiers and Monks) are good soloers. They have a bunch of Oh Crap buttons to help them out. They do nice single target dps and can take a beating better than any mage or scout. If you have reasonable gear as you level, blues and down just won't be able to touch you. Whites will be fine, low yellows will need strategy and higher level stuff you'll swear your weaping no armor at all. That is becasue until level 80+ avoidance tanking is kind of broken. At level 80+ you'll start to find gear that adds to your mitigation so that when you do get hit you don't get hit for as much.</p><p>Also, Brawlers get FD on a fast reuse and a self heal (mend). That just ups the fun factor for them. You can go places and see things that most can't without a group.</p>

[Duckforcetwo]

<p>after all this time, i just thought i wanted to share my experience.</p><p>Started with my paladin, which took some time to get to lvl 32. Felt really slow in the dps department, even with good gear.</p><p>Tried out a berserker, still didn't feel that good.</p><p>Finally i caved in, and started a SK.</p><p>My god it's a different world, and just my play style. Got some good survival abilities, and with a bit of hp regen gear, i'm healing myself to full during most fights.</p><p>All i need now, is to grind out 400.000 SC and 20plat, to get a real nightmare mount.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Duckforcetwo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>after all this time, i just thought i wanted to share my experience.</p><p>Started with my paladin, which took some time to get to lvl 32. Felt really slow in the dps department, even with good gear.</p><p>Tried out a berserker, still didn't feel that good.</p><p>Finally i caved in, and started a SK.</p><p>My god it's a different world, and just my play style. Got some good survival abilities, and with a bit of hp regen gear, i'm healing myself to full during most fights.</p><p>All i need now, is to grind out 400.000 SC and 20plat, to get a real nightmare mount.</p></blockquote><p>I am not surprised by this, despite what certain people would like you to believe SK is the tank of choice.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not surprised by this, despite what certain people would like you to believe SK is the tank of choice <strong>FOR LOW LEVEL TRIO'ING.</strong></p></blockquote><p>There ya go, fixed it or you.  Would hate to have you mislead everybody into thinking Brawlers aren't ruling the tank of choice in high level content.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not surprised by this, despite what certain people would like you to believe SK is the tank of choice <strong>FOR LOW LEVEL TRIO'ING.</strong></p></blockquote><p>There ya go, fixed it or you.  Would hate to have you mislead everybody into thinking Brawlers aren't ruling the tank of choice in high level content.</p></blockquote><p>The guy came here we told him to choose SK you cried on about brawlers he tried out a bunch of tanks and guess what he ended up on SK.  That says it all.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not surprised by this, despite what certain people would like you to believe SK is the tank of choice <strong>FOR LOW LEVEL TRIO'ING.</strong></p></blockquote><p>There ya go, fixed it or you.  Would hate to have you mislead everybody into thinking Brawlers aren't ruling the tank of choice in high level content.</p></blockquote><p>The guy came here we told him to choose SK you cried on about brawlers he tried out a bunch of tanks and guess what he ended up on SK.  That says it all.</p></blockquote><p>Hhhmmm lets see.  Yeah he tried a Paladin, Zerker, and a SK to like level 30.  I guess that makes him an expert on how all the tanks are especially when you get to the real content of DoV.</p><p>Yeah, that says it all alright.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p>I still see SKs as the prefered tank for heroic groups *and* BG groups(Well tied with Zerkers about)... Just sayin.</p>

[Duckforcetwo]

<p>Oh i can see that the other tanks are good for groups... but i have found  that the SK has (to me at least) better solo survivability, has the superb option to pl my friends alts later on, and can tank in groups as well...</p><p>i like it, because i can keep my health topped out, and not worrying about regenerating half my health or more between each fight.</p><p>and to top it all off, i get feign death as well.. just too much in this package to ignore..</p>

[Uberkitty]

I 3-box a Paladin, Warden, and Wizard. The tanker tanks, the healer heals, and the wizzie wizzes. Aggro management's pretty easy. If I ever lose aggro, a taunt and heal is all I need to get it back. If I ever get some spike damage, I have some extra heals up my sleeve to not die. Of course, I think any grouping of tank/heals/DPS would be effective if played well.