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Seliri

06-01-2011, 09:18 PM

Added 3a-c, 4a, 5a, 6a, 7a-d, 11c, 16e-f, 20a-b, 24a, 25a-b, 32-45, Conclusive Rage; Edited 3-5, 9, 11, 16-17, 22, 25, 29, 41-43; Removed 22aLink Here:<a href="http://www.tinyurl.com/32poafep" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.tinyurl.com/32poafep" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.tinyurl.com/45PoAfEP" target="_blank">http://www.tinyurl.com/45poafep</a>...continued in 2nd post...#23 & #28 are optional, not priority, but would be nice eventually, if ever.73 points total w/ tallied subsets, discluding optional revisions (80 total, otherwise).PvP LAW...not theory -- see: Conclusive Rage in 2nd post.Maybe this might just be a future rubric for EQ Next, considering the workload relative to payoff.Feel free to contribute your yeas/nays/analysis (though objection shall likely be met with vicious, vehement dejection). =] 1.) Return overland immun. to 30 sec2.) REMOVE city PvP rules from T2 contested3.) Start LVL locking at LVL 103a.) No extreme competency adoption curve3b.) No invisibility/stealth totems3c.) Not as many overpowered effects4.) Revamp ALL contested dungeons to be difficult & drop PvP-viable armor/accessories (including interoperable PvE/PvP WAR RUNES)4a) Due to population limits, on top of ALL other normal contested dungeons, only revamp TSO & SF instances for decent, basic PvP drops in choose-a-loot chests like tradeskill apprentice items are found now.5.) Return writ givers to overland zones only & erase 10-charge poster format5a.) Writ givers would stay in Qeynos/Freeport, as they're now contested, but they couldn't stay in other cities or guild halls (refunds a given)6.) Unnerf crowd control/charm6a.) Remove & refund "Runed Victim's Skull"7.) Merge PvE/PvP crit mit & procs7a.) Hardmode PvP gear must be equal to easymode raid gear in PvE, regular PvP gear equal to heroic PvE gear.7b.) Hardmode PvE gear, "In PvP", should be equal to normal PvP gear (NOT the HM PvP gear from #16); Easymode PvE gear to crafted PvP gear (see: 33a on PvP competency adoption curve increase; Heroic PvE gear quiite a bit weaker than crafted PvP gear (see: 33a on PvP competency adoption curve increase).7c.) Raiders are often discouraged from PvPing due to their labor not paying dividends, ditto with PvPers & PvEing -- players tend to prefer 1, but open to the other when labor is respected.7d.) Rebalancing current PvP gear may be needed w/ added jewelry. Split CB/Pot between the 2, replicate w/ PvE gears "In PvP" tab8.) Don't split PvE/PvP MA/Crit Bonus/Potency9.) Adjust PvE EM/HM "In PvP" crit. mit./CB/Pot/MA/Flurry values10.) Apportion Toughness if survivability requires more edits7-10 Summarized.) Respect the desires that 80% of your playerbase has for contested & interoperable PvP/PvE content with great longevity (see: majority sentiment in Dorsan's free transfer thread & Piccolo@Everfrost's Battleground's section thread)11.) Do not modify the classic PvP rank system. Upping titles is now easymode, zerg mentality is reinforced due to fame gains being less precious.11a.) Rarely anyone is getting PvP ranked BECAUSE THERE IS NO REST with off-the-record engagements as there USED to be.11b.) People enjoy being careless & dying/ganking - most simply die/gank too much to amass enough PvP rank XP.11c.) Add PvP rank toggle (1 week reuse, 30 sec casting -- clears PvP rank, abstains from participation) & flag those opting out with an asterisk at the end of their name, both in the target window & open world12.) REMOVE Toughness & crit mit from PvP gear < LVL 80 (toughness & crit mit were for SENTINEL'S FATE 90s)13.) Remove reflect & ward procs from lowbie PvP gear & go for abil. mod, ptncy, cc14.) Unnerf Illusionist power regen15.) Unnerf Fury & Mystic mythicals16.) Work to provide a hardmode version of PvP gear with 40-80 trinkets from EACH TSO/SF contested dungeon & instance MADE CONTESTED & LVL 90 prorated (battlegrounds would have their own elite bracket [AA/gear/spell/ca requirements])16a.) Partial trinket combinations would produce a random, premade accessory, with multiples to be fused together, or into armor, etc.16b.) Trinkets would be themed relative to: runes, gems, crystals, fabrics, paddings, patches, threads, links, plates, clasps, bolts, incantations, imbues, inscriptions, boiling, hammering, flashing, puncturing, searing, compression, expansion, curing, soaking, heating, cooling, tearing, melting, casting, sanding, buffing, welding, chiseling, sculpting, painting, catalyzing, magnetizing (33 trinket modz FTW!)16c.) Partial trinket combinations should require at least 100-500 kills in all encounter sizes, up to a full group (while solo, in a duo, trio, etc).16d.) Require 100-150 writs completed from a HARDMODE PvP WRIT AGENT, which only appears in zones flagged as a PVP HOT ZONE for the day (item finalization)16e.) Offer PvP war runes (PvE functional) through this system, as well16f.) Due to population limits, only revamp TSO & SF instances for PvP trinket drops.17.) Replace the guild strategist flag with a "track lock 3 targets unimmune for 3+ minutes" (on PvP servers only -- refunds a given)18.) Disable zonewide entry (on PvP servers) 19.) Restore warfields with victory bonuses in the following way:- PvP writs completed during active warfields should reward double tokens. THIS would put the focus back on open world PvP & organization.- Warfields victors should be given their choice of:· 10% mount speed· 20% in-combat runspeed· 5 Crit Bonus· 15 pet crit bonus· 5% spell double attack· 5% flurry· 15% AOE auto attack· +5 meters spell/combat art range· 10% Reuse· 20% Casting· +50% Adv./Trade/AA XP (stacks w/ mentoring & potions)· 30 DPS/Haste proc 2x/min (35 sec duration, stacks w/ all item procs)· -10% resistability (combat art & spell applicable)· Potion/Signet/Relic/PvP trinket/Tinkered item reuse HALVED (100% reduced) & failure chances removed· Fear (5 sec duration, 30 m range, 1 min reuse, no dmg, 1 sec casting [unaffected by casting speed])· 75% snare (10 sec duration, 30 m range, 1 min reuse, no dmg, 1 sec casting [unaffected by casting speed])· Single group instance timer reset (usable ONCE a day on ONE instance; players can NOT enter an instance reset w/ this feature if they already have done so that day)· Adornment extrication (usable ONCE biweekly, every 2 weeks, this would let a player remove an adornment from an item)· Equipment liberator (usable ONCE monthly, this would let a player unattune 1 item) - Warfields bonuses would last until that character logged off, or until the opposing faction won a warfields of that player's tier.20.) ERASE EQ2X SEGREGATION & restore the live servers to their rightful place with guaranteed trial inductees -- make ALL servers revolve around the F2P model & CHANGE the Gold plan so that it's equivalent to current 1 month subscriptions20a.) With #20 accomplished...open Freeport up to 2 weeks of free transfers to Nagafen (F2Pers originally had no PvP option)20b.) CUT IN HALF the cost of transfers to Nagafen from all other servers21.) UNDO EXILED BASTARDIZATION FOR THE FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLEES!1!22.) Close battlegrounds from PvP servers from Thurs-Mon23.) In regard to future warfields/battlegrounds/public quest scenarios beyond the bland & cookie cutter, consider:23a.) Antonica/Commonlands theme (maybe to be recycled for all warfield zones considering...the budget) ;PSeliri@Nagafen wrote:<blockquote> Also, if PvP objectives are to be continually added to open world zones, I'd like to see offerings that aren't the cliche "territory capture, hold this item, or caoture the flag".There are TONS of unique things that can be done.Freeportian Gnomes, Qeynosian Koada'DalThere can be Gnomish refining trains engineered to run off of player bodies or sacred Koada'Dalian ships blessed to harvest energy from sanctifying and redeeming corrupted corpses.Players would have to attach tinkered chains or cast elven binds to drag the body to a pegasus-drawn wagon, or a Gnomish inflated hovercraft depot, to then drive the load for filling the train's boiler firebox or the ship's rune energizer. 6 bodies would be one shipment.Once the train or ship made a full pass around the zone (say, Nektulos Forest & Thundering Steppes or Enchanted Lands and Zek the Orcish Wastes), four outer bases and 1 central base could all activate, requiring delivery of refined/blessed shipments to power a force field or energy cannon.To activate the cannon or force field would require 3 hovercraft/pegasus-wagon deliveries to these auxiliary bases and 6 to the primary (18 total), wherein all opposition would be destroyed or repelled into the nearest overland zone as control is obtained and faction bonuses are awarded.Defenders would have to maintain at least 3 deliveries fueling the outer bases and 6 in the center, and an excess could be stored in a way where attackers could steal shipments back out, to bring them to their own demolisher ship/train.These demolisher bases of the attackers have 3 pegasus wagons or inflated hovercrafts that activate if the Gnomish refining train/sacred Koada'Dalian ship make a full pass around the zone).Attackers would win by holding off the process for the time limit of the procession, say, 40 minutes or an hour. At that point, if attackers won the primary goal, the ship could crash or the train could experience explosions in some of its cars, wherein the follow-up scenario would be for defenders using the 3 wagons/hovercrafts available to drag the ship or train back to its original maintenance station for repairs.Attackers would win by holding off this process for 30 minutes (hovercraft/pegasus wagons would be snarable and travel at 60% runspeed).If offense won this secondary objective, a mother ship or an army of clockwork menaces and helicopters would come to drag the refining train or sacred ship back to its hub, killing enemies within 80 meters with blue or red laser beams. This would take 3 minutes.Therein, the original objective would begin anew, with the attackers receiving a bonus of their choice for the next round of the primary objective, selected upon zone entry. If defenders won the primary goal, then the alternative secondary objective would be for attackers to bring 1 destructive shipments to these outer bases and 2 to the central, with the time limit also being 30 minutes here (defenders would win if progression was halted for that long).If offense won, then the bases would be destroyed, but an army of Koada'Dalian ships or clockwork menaces/helicopters/dragons would come to destroy the attackers present at these bases and repair them.And again, the primary objective would reset with the restoring army taking 3 minutes to repair bases and restart the primary objective, where the victorious faction could choose a bonus of their choice upon zone entry.</blockquote>Much thanks to Splash Damage/id Software for cultivating a fascination with quality multiplayer objectives from Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. 23b.) Moors of Ykesha WarfieldsI thought of another one for Moors of Ykesha a long time ago, & reconstructing the pieces, I'd have it deal with 2 leprechauns, evil rainbows, pots of gold, mallets, & possessed demon bunnies.Essentially, a player of each faction could get chosen for a variety of reasons to be uber buffed out, & others must strive to conquer him, with winning possibly tally/score based, per team.Not in the brainstormy mood atm & I could flesh this premise out into a clear & concrete concept, but the point is just that, there's more than the mundane out there for PvP objectives.No offense... =[ 23c.) A Thurgadin concept I dug up from a thread on them there eq2f place...Seliri wrote:<blockquote>Nother nifty PQ to muse on might be off Thurgadin docks, requiring sea-level duties & water-walk/mid-depth functions as well.i.e. maniacal, engineered uber octopus seeks to harvest 5 sunken ships of goahmari imbued velium to fuse his beak & spiked suction cups with the power to thrash down the gnomish dockworkers.defenders would be required to dig pits & operate gnomish sea subs to push the boats into the ditches.electrostatic gnomish fields would also have to be maintained from random spawns in the ocean at mid-level, to ward off a surplus of octopi that would snare & debuff players. octopi of elevated difficulty would be stunned & crackle with electricity while the process is maintained.once buried, arcane barriers would have to be constructed using energy from the tougher octopi that would then have to be released & defeated.hard mode could include the evil maniacal octopus having to be tanked by at least 2 groups, who spawns adds every 10%.</blockquote>23d.) A revamp of the Ring War public quest I forgot to crop from the Velious Fail thread at eq2f.Seliri wrote:<blockquote>Just adjacent to Ring War is some crazy cool, iceberg river, & nobody had an idea to have some awesome master wurm lord try to flood a contingent of othmir at the mouth of the river?Would make for an extraordinary PQ, having to build dams at each of these consecutive waterfalls with a select few being overwhelmed by water to be thrown down the waterway & melded into some ice freeze 50-100 yards away, guarded by wurms.Time limit constraints could be put on freeing these players or less othmir assistants could be afforded in dam building & more wurms would appear to work at deconstructing parts of the dam just built.</blockquote>23e.) Storm Gorge musings cropped from the Velious Fail eq2f thread.Seliri wrote:<blockquote>The rime could've actually been given some siege equipment to burn down, requiring the application of certain PQ-obtained items in a particular order.Things like trenches could've been required to have been dug, etc, etc, there's TOO MUCH to think of when considering the machinations of a conventional bronze/iron age siege & again I'm underwhelmed by the lack of uniquity & innovation here.</blockquote>Trenches couldve been to shoot a contingent of energy mortars while avoiding intense cannon waves from the reinforced Thurgadin wall.The wall couldve actually had an underground network with "oil pots" to enflame "burrowing siege machines", both of which could require the bodies of mobs/players to fuel.

Oobo

06-01-2011, 11:53 PM

OMG not ONLY do u have to spam this BS and spam quote it in EVER single thread of someone elses threads no matter thier topic but NOW you have to make new threads fo your own also?

Seliri

06-02-2011, 02:22 PM

24.) Allow PvP while flying24a.) Incorporate knock-backs into aerial combat.25.) Disable leaping/gliding/flying on Nagafen at least Thursday - Monday (Tues/Wed being leaper/glider days)25a.) Return ground mount runspeed to the old norms Thursday - Monday25b.) On non-leaper/flier/glider days, a portal to Drunder w/ a 10 sec cast time would be placed in the nearest convenient location26.) End warfield downtime, instate only a 10 min hiatus between next round initiation27.) The dungeon finder & battlegrounds must be sure to not allow entry if engaged in combat, as well. Can't remember if that's still a problem for battlegrounds or not. ;o28.) Faction balance fame reset nullification as an incentive to betray (tallies should be assembled per tier, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59, 60-69, 70-79, 80-89, 90)<cite>Seliri@Nagafen wrote:</cite><div><blockquote>3.) Faction Balance - Yes, players can choose what faction they play in, but why let the life of the game suffer?A. On Nagafen, Qeynos UNDOUBTEDLY outnumbers Freeport at level 90. This results in unenjoyable warfields, due to the lack of a contest.B. Open betrayal ABSENT SPELL FAME LOSS according to the relative tier/faction imbalance.- Players would be warned, UPON STARTING OR PROGRESSING the questline that would make them an Exile, that they would keep their spells fame if they successfully betrayed to the needy opposite faction & remained the same class.- Players would also be warned that, if they tried to return to the faction w/ an active player surplus/excess, they would lose their spells fame.B1. If a player is active (clocking in feats that would award adventurer XP) for 3+ hours a week, they are included in the weekly "balance" tally as "active players".B2. The tally would be recounted every week during a server downtime, to ensure no extra load would be on the server to accomodate this algorithm for equity.- The algorithm would check to see if adventurer XP would've been awarded at 5 minute intervals (once every 5 mins).- 36+ confirmed 5 minute intervals of adv. XP gain would tag a character an "active player"- After 40 confirmed 5 minute intervals of adv. XP gain, the algorithm would ignore review of that player, to bypass unnecessary strain on the bandwidth performing these calculations.B3. "Welcome_Info" would display how many more players in your tier could betray & keep your spells fame.- Active players wouldn't subtract from the allotment of "smuggled" betrayers required to obtain balance UNTIL they SUCCESSFULLY switched from good to evil, or vice versa.- If the allotment is reached, players would be warned of their impending spell fame loss UPON STARTING OR PROGRESSING the questline that would make them an Exile.- Active players already Exiled during the tally would be disregarded from the active player countB4. Balance Tally Example:- Freeport has 593 LVL 90 active players (doing feats that would otherwise award adv. XP for 3+ hrs/week)- Freeport has 904 LVL 90 inactive players (doing feats that would otherwise award adv. XP for less than 3 hrs/week)- Qeynos has 864 LVL 90 active players- Qeynos has 1203 LVL 90 inactive players- Qeynosian "Welcome_Info" menus would identify 271 spell-reserving fame-reserving slots of SUCCESSFUL betrayal to the opposite faction, as the same class.</blockquote></div>29.) More novel PvP mounts (flying/leaping, toggleable combinations of all mount types, etc)30.) Actual PvP rank seasons with associated leaderboards & quality rewards30a.) Choice of PvE item granted & made PvP (custom item name) -- "made PvP" is a possibly null condition if PvE/PvP separation is appropriately abolished30b.) Choice of item having class restrictions removed (custom item name)30c.) Choice of mount granted & given PvP on top of its normal PvE mods (custom mount name)30d.) Choice of account amnesty (perma-ban lifting)30e.) Custom appearance gear texture & particle effect (custom item names)30f.) Custom mount appearance texture & particle effect (custom item names)30g.) Custom title31.) Actually instate cross-faction chat through either "/shout" or "/ooc". We were told one would be, & we're wrongly left with only "/say" as cross-faction. Please fix ASAP.32.) STANDARDIZED (CC, CM, Adept 3s/Masters, AAs, class set-ups [2 Priest 1 DPS 1 Bard 1 Enchanter 1 Fighter, queue as raid leader or raider w/ configurable class reqs per group if raid leader queuing]) raiding included in the PvE dungeon finder32a.) As it is, casuals do not have a form of pursuing competent raid progression, & THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.32b.) This form of instanced gearing wouldn't qualitatively/quantitatively affect PvP due to rarity in forming a competent team on top of the RNG chance to loot.33.) PvP competency's adoption curve must increase -- long-term dedication is reduced if rewarded too rapidly (see: Rift & WoW for a steady playerbase w/ extensive timesink requirements.) 33a.) Crafted PvP gear's potency needs to be REDUCED to match the potency of the prior PvP set.33b.) Heirloom PvP tokens must have such a tag erased.33c.) Increase DoV PvP gear token cost (battlegrounds & open world). A MISTAKEN low cost limits incentive for LVL locking. A FLAWED low cost limits largescale PvP presence & desire.34.) Restore old spire delay & add it to druid ring useage (even player druid rings)35.) End castable spire portals36.) Erase global bells & introduce the old bell system (refunds a given)37.) Remove druid/wizard port/spires/world bell from guild halls (city bells only -- refunds a given)38.) Disable quest/raid items that zone players into T9 zones/raid zones.39.) Re-enable passive taunts.40.) Unnerf priest cures.41.) Unnerf the Dirge's Cacophany of Blades (CoB) loss of interruption.42.) Remove permanent immunity in Sentinel's Fate (Moonfield Hamlet in Stonebrunt Highlands & Paineel in Sundered Frontier).43.) Add a 45 sec countdown timer to enter the dungeon maker, playermade dungeons, & published homes.44.) Auto-hide mercenaries in PvP (urgent -- hotfix ASAP).<div><div><div><div>45.) Refugees seeking to leave Nagafen due to preferring post-apocalypse PvP annihilation -- with all its current carebear accoutrements -- could be allowed to do so.All Nagafenians would be allowed 1 free transfer off (should these apt fixes see their rightful day).</div></div>46.) Hire me as the sole PvP developer closet Gnome & I will live in a SOE company closet & work 12 hour days, tirelessly serving the glory of Norrath.46a.) 7 days/week, 365 days/year46b.) Christmas? No thanks.46c.) Thanksgiving? No thanks.46d.) Veteran's day? No thanks.46e.) Saint Patrick's day? No thanks.46f.) etc.<div><div>Yes, EQ2 PvP would be perfect if my list was adhered to.But, I believe the complications lay in either budget or design vision bureacracy. We on dat dere disappointment time brahs.PvP LAW...not theory.This isn't merely a compilation of my own insight.I've remembered to the best of my ability every quality stimulating momentus EQ2 PvP.Contested LVL locked dungeon farming. Overland writ agent w/ no posters. High-cost TSO PvP gear.Blocking PvE raiding in KoS/EOF.Classes with ACTUAL INDIVIDUALITY not being reprehensibly/unforgiveably eroded/degraded (cures/taunts/cc).My undying dedication to social competition & willingness to PvP night & day are testament to the value I place on Nagafen RESPECTING ITS FEATURE OF PVP.I have played MUDs since 14 yrs ago & console games before that.My bottom line is what is proven to immerse & engage the individual.I've PvPed enough to be about top 50th-70th for PKs (I forget exactly, EQ2 Players is broken so I can't see where I would've been.)I've also reached the ultra high bracket in all 3 versions of the PvP rank system.I'm a PvPer through & through & will only get behind what will promote consistent, contested congestion.Sign off on anything else discluding MAJORITY SENTIMENT each of these points addresses & you forego heralding in reverence for SOE & true, utter morale boosting.Nagafen's bottom line is that THE FEATURE of a PvP server is SUPPOSED TO BE PVP, not some "intermittent option" players never even have to participate in.</div>Disgrace that bottom line & watch the top 100 leaderboard not budge a hory jit phooreokeiruing smidge.Certain handicaps undebateably destroy PvP opportunities & there is no avoiding that, aside from the necessary compromises mentioned within the 45 PoAfEP.You either give a sheyoot aboot contested PvP stimulus or you don't, there is no in between.This is not a matter allowing for dissension.May you wrongly deceive yourself & believe otherwise, such unruly insubordination will be quashed with the might of Genghis Khan, Hu Jin Tao, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Nero, Caligula, Ivan IV Vasilyevich, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Bashar Assad, Ayatollah Khomeini, Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini, Satan, & oh...me, cause I'm probably the anti-christ.</div></div></div>

Seliri

06-30-2011, 02:55 PM

<div>Random tidbits on PQ/warfields design...<cite>Seliri@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>imo, simplest & most proper form for pvp invigoration (given...whatever the heck the deal is) is leaving guards deh phunk aloneNPC involvement should be shunned in pvp warfields· instead, emplacement repair requiring:a. certain rare-drops in specific zones/areasb. simultaneous effortc. plural, consolidated effort· manned station emplacement damaging:a. certain rare-drops in specific zones/areasb. simultaneous effortc. plural, consolidated effortd. simple, singular 1-player use· adjustment/relocation of offensive/defensive stations/utilities requiring:a. certain rare-drops in specific zones/areasb. simultaneous effortc. plural, consolidated effort· region-adjusted stagesjust raging cause nubs will interfere with the glory of potential at all levels, as is always the caseforgive me o gamer brethren, for i have failt thee, having not yet studied los software engineeringnosninos, that gaming might be saved :{i jest in self-exaltation, for all wisdom is of the LORD, though surely ye shall fear for me & worry that perception herein be not taken as excellence at the perpetuation of lusts from the adversary, but rather, the optimization of rest for the laboring as a manifestation of mercy & lenience.</blockquote><cite>Seliri@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>why should guards be left alone?because quality PvP objectives RETAIN tasking individual people with literally killing their foe or allowing them to live.having NPC bots promote cowardly tactics from the defending home team is SOMETHING TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS.</blockquote></div>

Crismorn

06-30-2011, 03:19 PM

Someone ban the OP please

Sprin

06-30-2011, 05:43 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote>this..Didnt bother reading it... what Seliri will never be albe to grasp is that even if he had a good idea somewhere in that massive wall of crap, nobody will read it or do it... and he has earned every penny of it... and im sure he will spew some long drawn out orange response to this that I wont read either, about how im being a hater and jealous or some crapola... blah blah blah

Skilley

06-30-2011, 06:36 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote>

IcterusGalbula

06-30-2011, 07:00 PM

I mentored a level 30 Q fury to level 10 yesterday and took him to Timorous Deep for a bit. I only stayed for maybe 20 minutes.I have taken a level 16 Q assassin there and quested for extended periods. Assassins might need the first shot in pvp, but if you really like pvp why avoid going there on a Q, especailly on a scout?Just because you get carnaged flagged does not mean you get killed.If you team up with a scout you could have quite a bit of fun running from higher toons and suckering toons your level into attacking one toon then getting shot from behind by your scout.

Muusic

07-01-2011, 11:37 AM

Seliri, I love your enthusiasm but I told you the other day you're a thread killer in forums with that halloween colored endless spam. So why would you start a new thread?You do however get a +1 to LOL for the "Do not hack beyond your administrative capacity" quote in an earlier thread in which ironically you were telling everyone to stop posting.

Heleptra

07-01-2011, 02:59 PM

Guys why the [Removed for Content] do u flame seliri? Hes trying to prevent disasters in eq3. We all know that they have done to Eq2 pvp to @CAREBARE@ and [Removed for Content] it up many times thanks to people who are childish and cant take a death in a fair or unfair way, The life isint fair, why should eq2 be any differend, I have played darkfall for 1 year, and there is some hardcore pvp rules that SOE should really take a close look at,And learn from. <a href="http://www.darkfallonline.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.darkfallonline.com</a>But Instead of flaming seliri who is trying to do something for the community and pvp, Help him! I dont see really many people with good ideas, only people who whine and flame why they cant be kings and rule norrath,+1 i support u seliri. "respect for trying to fix things.Hartsia.I wield a staff of fire I ride a horse of air I fear no water.

Skilley

07-01-2011, 04:27 PM

The things he's crying about aren't 1/10th as detrimental to PvP as him and all the other fame [Removed for Content] that think titles mean anything at all. Getting rid of titles and flying/leaping/gliding mounts would make PvP 100% awesome.

Sprin

07-01-2011, 05:29 PM

<cite>Heleptra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Guys why the [Removed for Content] do u flame seliri? Hes trying to prevent disasters in eq3. We all know that they have done to Eq2 pvp to @CAREBARE@ and [Removed for Content] it up many times thanks to people who are childish and cant take a death in a fair or unfair way, The life isint fair, why should eq2 be any differend, I have played darkfall for 1 year, and there is some hardcore pvp rules that SOE should really take a close look at,And learn from. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.darkfallonline.com" target="_blank">www.darkfallonline.com</a>But Instead of flaming seliri who is trying to do something for the community and pvp, Help him! I dont see really many people with good ideas, only people who whine and flame why they cant be kings and rule norrath,+1 i support u seliri. "respect for trying to fix things.Hartsia.I wield a staff of fire I ride a horse of air I fear no water.</blockquote>He made his own bed... he has lost the respect of 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of the population of Nagafen with his endless spam of crap, his preaching non stop in chat channels, his exploitation / ban / deletion due to the exploitation, his nonsensical blabber, his endless insults to those who have tried to help him in the past to understand WHY he gets treated the way he gets treated...He's like an adult banging his head against a brick wall, you tell him he needs to stop and he insults you, you give him a helmet he says his skull is enough protection and insults you, you put a pad on the wall and he rips it down and insults you...Let the [Removed for Content] ram his head against the wall... nothing that ever comes out of his mouth onto the keyboard will ever happen because he has EARNED that... 10000% earned it...

Rahatmattata

07-01-2011, 11:19 PM

<img src="http://files.sharenator.com/tldr_RE_Funny_Advice_Post-s388x512-145050.jpg" width="388" height="512" /><cite>Skilley wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote></blockquote>

Hammieee

07-02-2011, 04:14 AM

<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><div>16c.) forging trinkets into their final product should require at least 10-50 kills in all encounter sizes, up to a full group (while solo, in a duo, trio, etc).* * * E D I T * * *The above is intended for the OP, but its post is character limited. =</div></blockquote>* * * E D I T * * *Chorboy01/Hammieee please do not hack past your administrative capacity. so is this guy like a fake mod who trys to have power cuz i got the same thing

IcterusGalbula

07-02-2011, 01:48 PM

Yesterday I took my level 30 fury mentored to level 10 back to Timorous Deep and quested for maybe 1 or 2 hours. He did all of the level 10-12 quests and some level 13 quests.He only saw one Freep and was not attacked.He did see something really odd though. He saw a white toon (presumably level 10) that was epic. I am not sure how a level 10 can be epic. Maybe a toon is epic if in a raid, but this toon was solo. Maybe the toon was part of a raid in a different zone. Maybe a level 90 that mentors to level 10 is epic even if solo.Anyway, it is possible to quest and presumably pvp in tier 2 in the other factions zone. You just have to be alert and / or accept risk, and you can mitigatre risk by being in a group, especially a group with a scout. Or so it seems to me.

yellowbelly08

07-03-2011, 08:46 AM

Lets condense this to 5 valid points, written in concise white text...1.) change fame points sytem to encourage fights and less titled avoidance. 6 pts gain/lost unranked12 pts gain/lost hunter18 pts pts gain/lost slayer24 destroyer....you get the idea....2.) Introduce new jewlery/weps to pvp merchants.3.) Introduce a flying mount to pvp merchants (assuming devs are stating they must be in game pvp servers) Said mount has an attack button (50 m range, 5 sec recast, works of primary stat and pvp crit bonus and potency). Additional button for temporary 50% speed boost, 5 min recast, 10 sec duration. nWill not affect blue servers as on pvp merchant only.4.) Encourage faction balance in some way. Tho this is really the playerbases problem not the games.5.) Pvp hot zones. Different every hour. Double token gain etc. Roaming hard mode style writ giver. Randomly spawns in said hot zone giving harder token writs for hard mode pvp gear.win...?

Seliri

12-13-2011, 05:58 PM

do not condense sh17do not phrcka change pvp rank system from classicit will failughy u no hate bureaucracy? ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

EndevorX

12-13-2011, 06:11 PM

why does this other seliri not have a forum signature? :{* * * E D I T * * *oop, just my old age...now I see it...

Kurindor_Mythecnea

12-13-2011, 06:19 PM

I was once a spritely young Gnome in my day... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />

Bosconi

12-13-2011, 06:20 PM

hah, back when Seliri was white......but verily i tell you, he has risen again!

Seliri

12-13-2011, 11:28 PM

added 20a & 20b to #20 after having such glorious glory come to gloryedited 22 for clarityincorporated 16c & d from the 2nd portion into the OPoops, erased the OP's formatting & redid it so it now has enough character space to fit a change log in at the top!and seriously, if you guys hired me as the developer closet Gnome 6 months ago this list probably would've been fulfilled! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Darkor

12-14-2011, 04:06 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote>This.

Crismorn

12-14-2011, 04:21 AM

Delete this necro thread its useless, flawed ideas from a known exploiter

Seliri

12-14-2011, 05:08 AM

<cite>Darkor@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote>This.</blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Delete this necro thread its useless, flawed ideas from a known exploiter</blockquote>both known, overemotional grudge-bearers :{let our hope for them be quietly magnified...

Crismorn

12-14-2011, 05:11 AM

I don't hang out in Sebilis nor do I kill alts so I can't say that I've ever run into you in eq2, I'm sure you would wet yourself while running.

Seliri

12-14-2011, 05:14 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't hang out in Sebilis nor do I kill alts so I can't say that I've ever run into you in eq2, I'm sure you would wet yourself while running.</blockquote>i quote things up & i quote things down<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Luckily SoE staff can easily see that you have been banned for various exploits just by checking your username, should solve the whole reading anything you post problem.</blockquote>luckily they are not willing to abuse the position of power the LORD has given them.for they are at least wise enough to not so mistakenly, absolutely generalize one who stumbled with one flaw, as one who stumbles always with flaws.you say to yourself, "lo, here I am, entitled to trivialize my peers & demean the value of friendship", & you do not yet consider the cries of your soul which languish against the oppression of Satan, the adversary.</blockquote>

Peak

12-14-2011, 03:34 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't hang out in Sebilis nor do I kill alts so I can't say that I've ever run into you in eq2, I'm sure you would wet yourself while running.</blockquote>Come now, Davion, as much as I dislike Seliri.. not all of his points are flawed.There are some good ones here that have been repeated and begged for for a very long time, and it's nice to have them in one easily accessible spot rather than spread out over hundreds of pages of threads.

Rahatmattata

12-14-2011, 04:14 PM

Everyone has their own idea on how to fix pvp, some are ok most suck. This thread is no different.

Seliri

12-14-2011, 07:40 PM

<cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone has their own idea on how to fix pvp, some are ok most suck. This thread is no different.</blockquote>lol.you make no specific itemization detailing how your rationale is of merit.why should anyone reviewing your judgment think you aren't an oversensitive, emo carebear bearing grudges as terribly as Darkor & Crismorn have?

Cigam

12-14-2011, 09:23 PM

<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone has their own idea on how to fix pvp, some are ok most suck. This thread is no different.</blockquote>lol.I like to say things that makes everyone ponder what color paint I sniff!why should anyone reviewing your judgment think you aren't an oversensitive, emo carebear bearing grudges as terribly as Bosconi & Myself are?</blockquote>Hard on yourself?

Seliri

12-19-2011, 07:17 AM

REDEMPTION SAFEGUARDS4a/16e.) Due to population limitations, it might also be sensible to say, only revamp TSO & SF instances for PvP trinket drops (#16 in the PoAfEP) & decent, basic PvP drops in craftable choose-a-loot chests (#4 in the PoAfEP) like tradeskill apprentice items are found now.25a.) On non-leaper/flier/glider days, a portal to Drunder w/ a 10 sec cast time would be placed in the nearest convenient location42.) Refugees seeking to leave Nagafen due to preferring post-apocalypse PvP annihilation -- with all its current carebear accoutrements -- could be allowed to do so.All Nagafenians would be allowed 1 free transfer off (should these apt fixes see their rightful day).Nagafen's bottom line is that THE FEATURE of a PvP server is SUPPOSED TO BE PVP, not some "intermittent option" players never even have to participate in.Disgrace that bottom line & watch the top 100 leaderboard not budge a hory jit phooreokeiruing smidge (see: post-fame decay).Certain handicaps undebateably destroy PvP opportunities & there is no avoiding that, aside from the necessary compromises mentioned within the 45 PoAfEP.

Hekter

12-19-2011, 07:46 AM

This list is win and I hope everything gets implemented.

Twinbladed

12-19-2011, 10:34 AM

To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.

thesiren

12-19-2011, 10:47 AM

<cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Someone ban the OP please</blockquote>this.</blockquote>This please!

Seliri

12-19-2011, 11:01 AM

<cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.</blockquote>who are the "you people" & "you guys"?what fixes benefit "just you"?who is the proverbial you?where do you supposedly not agree with me the majority of the time?

gdawg311

12-19-2011, 11:31 AM

omg seliri please stop before you further ruin pvp, you dont even have an active sub

Seliri

12-19-2011, 02:05 PM

<cite>gdawg311 wrote:</cite><blockquote>omg seliri please stop before you further ruin pvp, you dont even have an active sub</blockquote>convenient lack of coherent rebuttal...but im subbed...as if that would even matter? =]

Twinbladed

12-19-2011, 10:31 PM

<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.</blockquote>who are the "you people" & "you guys"?what fixes benefit "just you"?who is the proverbial you?where do you supposedly not agree with me the majority of the time?</blockquote>1. Chill out I agreed with a lot of things you said.2. I was talking to most of the server as a whole.

Seliri

12-20-2011, 12:48 AM

<cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.</blockquote>who are the "you people" & "you guys"?what fixes benefit "just you"?who is the proverbial you?where do you supposedly not agree with me the majority of the time?</blockquote>1. Chill out I agreed with a lot of things you said.2. I was talking to most of the server as a whole.</blockquote>A lot does not equal all.You either give a sheyoot aboot contested PvP stimulus or you don't, there is no in between.This is not a matter allowing for dissension.May you wrongly deceive yourself & believe otherwise, such unruly insubordination will be quashed with the might of Genghis Khan, Hu Jin Tao, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Nero, Caligula, Ivan IV Vasilyevich, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Bashar Assad, Ayatollah Khomeini, Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini, Satan, & God...oh, & me, cause I'm probably the anti-christ.also will be adding...the current, faux #41 on my employment will become 46.the safeguard on bluebie carebear refugees will become 45.

Rahatmattata

12-20-2011, 01:58 AM

<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone has their own idea on how to fix pvp, some are ok most suck. This thread is no different.</blockquote>lol.you make no specific itemization detailing how your rationale is of merit.why should anyone reviewing your judgment think you aren't an oversensitive, emo carebear bearing grudges as terribly as Darkor & Crismorn have?</blockquote>tbh I don't read anything you post because of your tarded use of grammar. For example in this post I got passed "lol" and that was about it.

Kurindor_Mythecnea

12-20-2011, 02:01 AM

<cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malevolencexx@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone has their own idea on how to fix pvp, some are ok most suck. This thread is no different.</blockquote>lol.you make no specific itemization detailing how your rationale is of merit.why should anyone reviewing your judgment think you aren't an oversensitive, emo carebear bearing grudges as terribly as Darkor & Crismorn have?</blockquote>tbh I don't read anything you post because of your tarded use of grammar. For example in this post I got passed "lol" and that was about it.</blockquote>Well, if I do say so myself, a most discourteous travesty ye perpetuate.

Twinbladed

12-20-2011, 08:36 AM

<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.</blockquote>who are the "you people" & "you guys"?what fixes benefit "just you"?who is the proverbial you?where do you supposedly not agree with me the majority of the time?</blockquote>1. Chill out I agreed with a lot of things you said.2. I was talking to most of the server as a whole.</blockquote>A lot does not equal all.You either give a sheyoot aboot contested PvP stimulus or you don't, there is no in between.This is not a matter allowing for dissension.May you wrongly deceive yourself & believe otherwise, such unruly insubordination will be quashed with the might of Genghis Khan, Hu Jin Tao, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Nero, Caligula, Ivan IV Vasilyevich, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Bashar Assad, Ayatollah Khomeini, Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini, Satan, & God...oh, & me, cause I'm probably the anti-christ.also will be adding...41.) Remove permanent immunity at Moonfield Hamlet in Stonebrunt Highlands.42.) Remove permanent immunity at Paineel in Sundered Frontier.43.) Remove Qeynos city PvP rules to replicate Freeport (urgent -- hotfix ASAP).44.) Auto-hide mercenaries in PvP (urgent -- hotfix ASAP).the current, faux #41 on my employment will become 46.the safeguard on bluebie carebear refugees will become 45.</blockquote>If your asking someone to 100% agree with you, not going to happen, like I said some of those things are nice, some of them have flaws surrounding them. Side note: stay on topic, you ramble to much.

EndevorX

12-20-2011, 09:58 AM

<cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Twinbladed@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>To be honest no one is ever going to agree with pvp fix, an it is mostly to do with there own selfish feelings, they never take the time out to think about other classes or pvp as a whole. A lot of idea's on there were not that bad, I don't agree with sel majority of the time. You people rule against every single idea that is placed on the table and never like anything that happens, so when they do make a fix what do you people do complain even more. How do you think we got into this in the first place. You guys refuse to play your classes for what they were made to do, everyone thinks they should heal, everything needs dps, on an on until you sit here an have other classes over par because of your own idea's. Then come into threads throw in your 2 penny's about how pvp should be, when half the time it doesn't benefit the server, just you.</blockquote>who are the "you people" & "you guys"?what fixes benefit "just you"?who is the proverbial you?where do you supposedly not agree with me the majority of the time?</blockquote>1. Chill out I agreed with a lot of things you said.2. I was talking to most of the server as a whole.</blockquote>A lot does not equal all.You either give a sheyoot aboot contested PvP stimulus or you don't, there is no in between.This is not a matter allowing for dissension.May you wrongly deceive yourself & believe otherwise, such unruly insubordination will be quashed with the might of Genghis Khan, Hu Jin Tao, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Nero, Caligula, Ivan IV Vasilyevich, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Bashar Assad, Ayatollah Khomeini, Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini, Satan, & God...oh, & me, cause I'm probably the anti-christ.also will be adding...41.) Unnerf the Dirge's Cacophany of Blades (CoB) loss of interruption.42.) Remove permanent immunity in Sentinel's Fate (Moonfield Hamlet in Stonebrunt Highlands & Paineel in Sundered Frontier).43.) Remove Qeynos city PvP rules to replicate Freeport (urgent -- hotfix ASAP).44.) Auto-hide mercenaries in PvP (urgent -- hotfix ASAP).the current, faux #41 on my employment will become 46.the safeguard on bluebie carebear refugees will become 45.</blockquote>If your asking someone to 100% agree with you, not going to happen, like I said some of those things are nice, some of them have flaws surrounding them. Side note: stay on topic, you ramble to much. </blockquote>you're just trying to be combative, you 100% agree with me.edited your quote of me to represent 41-44 as they now are... ;DAS AN ASIDEBerserker passive taunts still work, unlike all other Fighters.

Chunkaliscious

12-21-2011, 02:36 PM

People might actually read and may even agree with some of your posting if you would actually use the English language the way it is meant to be used and not in the siezure inducing manner in which you do.

Kurindor_Mythecnea

12-22-2011, 08:04 PM

<cite>Chunkaliscious wrote:</cite><blockquote>People might actually read and may even agree with some of your posting if you would actually use the English language the way it is meant to be used and not in the siezure inducing manner in which you do.</blockquote>disregard the mentality of superficial hatredadded 5a (PvP rank toggle)edited 43 (dungeon maker/playermade dungeons/published home 45 sec countdown timer for entry)

Souse

12-23-2011, 06:18 PM

Seliri just wants his thread bumped :3

Seliri

01-05-2012, 03:20 AM

In regard to #32, Standardized Dungeon Finding, see other points to consider......from the EQ2 Wire post "<a href="http://eq2wire.com/2012/01/02/attempting-cpr-on-dungeon-finder/#more-12436" target="_blank">Attempting CPR on Dungeon Finder</a>"...<blockquote><cite>boho <img src="http://eq2wire.com/wp-content/themes/directorydelight/images/comment-time.png" /> January 2, 2012 @ 6:37 pm</cite> If you’re going to copy WoW, do it without shame. What that means is don’t release new features that are directly lifted from other sources unless your implementation is just as good, if not better. Sony proves time and time again to be incapable of understanding this principle. How WoW’s Dungeon Finder works: -Gear checks via Item Level. This would be so easy to implement. Equipment level * expansion modifier (SF gear is much weaker than Velious) * quality level (Treasured/MC/Legendary/Fabled). This would keep 99% of the “most impressive set of level 70 gear you’ve ever seen,” as someone so brilliantly put it, invalids out of the DF. -Keying checks. Again, this is so easy for EQ2 to do. Make progression official. You have to clear Pools, Ascent, and Crystal Caverns before you can do the KD stuff. You have to clear KD stuff before you can do Drunder. -Cross-server. This requires work, but it’s necessary if Sony expects to resurrect the Dungeon Finder. -Don’t start the dang dungeon until everyone has confirmed they’re coming. Again, this is a no-brainer. -Ignore mercenaries, at least for anything over level, say, 70. </blockquote>tra la laa...

Raffir

01-19-2012, 06:21 PM

<cite>Tumultuous@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seliri just wants his thread bumped :3</blockquote>Seliri is just trying to get hired by SOE....by showing??..I dunno, if I was SOE I'd locking up HR and throwing away the key if they were even considering..

Seliri

01-19-2012, 07:50 PM

<cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tumultuous@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seliri just wants his thread bumped :3</blockquote>Seliri is just trying to get hired by SOE....by showing??..I dunno, if I was SOE I'd locking up HR and throwing away the key if they were even considering..</blockquote>what...?do you realize that the subject & link mention 45 points, despite the jested 46th?although it is surely shallow to shun the prospect of my employment when considering PvP's current predicament & morale, & where it should be.

Raffir

01-20-2012, 04:11 PM

45 points of your opinion only...is just another opinionIn my opinion...SOE should do away with pvp armor, mercs, BG's,warfields, AA's, raiding / raid armor etc.. and open the entire server up to PvP within 8 player levels. Banking and crafting areas the only safe spots. Crafted and Quest armor and accoutrements only.But thats just another opinion...no less or more valid than yours.Raf

thesiren

01-22-2012, 05:23 PM

<cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote>45 points of your opinion only...is just another opinionIn my opinion...SOE should do away with pvp armor, mercs, BG's,warfields, AA's, raiding / raid armor etc.. and open the entire server up to PvP within 8 player levels. Banking and crafting areas the only safe spots. Crafted and Quest armor and accoutrements only.But thats just another opinion...no less or more valid than yours.Raf</blockquote>I agree with this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Hey Raff, it's nice to see peeps from the old Extended boards on the PvP boards. (Sorry you have to er, try to read Seliri's gobbledeegook though. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /> Not all the Naggy peeps are like that, fortunately.)

Seliri

01-22-2012, 06:58 PM

<cite>thesiren wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote>45 points of your opinion only...is just another opinionIn my opinion...SOE should do away with pvp armor, mercs, BG's,warfields, AA's, raiding / raid armor etc.. and open the entire server up to PvP within 8 player levels. Banking and crafting areas the only safe spots. Crafted and Quest armor and accoutrements only.But thats just another opinion...no less or more valid than yours.Raf</blockquote>I agree with this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Hey Raff, it's nice to see peeps from the old Extended boards on the PvP boards. (Sorry you have to er, try to read Seliri's gobbledeegook though. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /> Not all the Naggy peeps are like that, fortunately.)</blockquote>right, cause ignoring all the finer mechanical inconsistencies is okay.it clearly isn't & the two of you are very visibly oblivious to even notion removing AAs & raiding/raid armor.battlegrounds & warfields are also now seen as features by SOE bureaucracy, despite their bastardized state, & so it is also very simple to understand that reasonable compromises & adjustments are to be vied for at most, & not absolute eradication. n_n

Raffir

01-23-2012, 04:00 PM

<cite>thesiren wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote>45 points of your opinion only...is just another opinionIn my opinion...SOE should do away with pvp armor, mercs, BG's,warfields, AA's, raiding / raid armor etc.. and open the entire server up to PvP within 8 player levels. Banking and crafting areas the only safe spots. Crafted and Quest armor and accoutrements only.But thats just another opinion...no less or more valid than yours.Raf</blockquote>I agree with this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Hey Raff, it's nice to see peeps from the old Extended boards on the PvP boards. (Sorry you have to er, try to read Seliri's gobbledeegook though. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /> Not all the Naggy peeps are like that, fortunately.)</blockquote>Hey Siren,LTNS... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Open world PvP. What could be better than this? Of course, its a massive re-write. And, honestly, if you've made your way to the top of the heap in the current system? Would you be willing to give it all up for a complete reset...even if it was a better game?I suspect there would be no small amount reluctance as far as that goesProb better to just open a new server under those rules and let this languish.But again...all just opinion.Raf

Seliri

02-24-2012, 10:22 PM

<cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>thesiren wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raffir wrote:</cite><blockquote>45 points of your opinion only...is just another opinionIn my opinion...SOE should do away with pvp armor, mercs, BG's,warfields, AA's, raiding / raid armor etc.. and open the entire server up to PvP within 8 player levels. Banking and crafting areas the only safe spots. Crafted and Quest armor and accoutrements only.But thats just another opinion...no less or more valid than yours.Raf</blockquote>I agree with this. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Hey Raff, it's nice to see peeps from the old Extended boards on the PvP boards. (Sorry you have to er, try to read Seliri's gobbledeegook though. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /> Not all the Naggy peeps are like that, fortunately.)</blockquote>Hey Siren,LTNS... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Open world PvP. What could be better than this? Of course, its a massive re-write. And, honestly, if you've made your way to the top of the heap in the current system? Would you be willing to give it all up for a complete reset...even if it was a better game?I suspect there would be no small amount reluctance as far as that goesProb better to just open a new server under those rules and let this languish.But again...all just opinion.Raf</blockquote>Lol.The concerns of this thread aren't "all just opinion", neither "all just MY opinion" as you libelously have tried claiming.These points are a legitimate compilation that veterans have agreed would improve many current weaknesses in the current EQ2 PvP model.It's clear you aren't actually experienced, nor interested in positively affecting the stale situation EQ2 PvP currently knows.The PvP population is quite scarce & it's obvious that SOE isn't in the position to open a new server with the expectation of success.

Kurindor_Mythecnea

04-11-2012, 04:37 PM

I applaud new Seliri's effort to put in an effort.We may have lost the battle, but the war yet remains absent a victor.But I think we're gonna lose the war.

Darkor

04-12-2012, 06:15 AM

Holy Necropost, please lock this!

Bosconi

04-12-2012, 02:28 PM

<cite>Darkor@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Holy Necropost, please lock this!</blockquote>Or, you could repent of your cliquish, carebear hater ways & confess that the points in these posts are as relevant today as when the posts were last edited.

Najen

05-08-2012, 12:24 PM

You have many good points Seliri. Respect goes to you. Thank you for speaking up for us.

Talathion

05-08-2012, 12:52 PM

Nobody would put this much effort into PvP, dreams will stay dreams.

Raffir

05-08-2012, 02:34 PM

<cite>Talathion@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nobody would put this much effort into PvP, dreams will stay dreams.</blockquote>TERA....open world pvp within 6 levels. Go outside of that and you are an outlaw who can be attacked by anyone on the server.Not without its problems though. Entire guilds whose sole purpose is to gank noobs in the beginning area by going outlaw, then one shotting the prey and running back to the town safe areas. But, each server is beginning to police its own a bit now. Too early to say how it will all play out...though, it seems that all gaming companies in ther efforts to improve PvP seem to go overboard on the rules and eventually ruin it. AOC comes to mind...hopefully TERA will avoid that.Its pretty interesting right now.Raf

Seliri

08-09-2012, 09:19 AM

46.) Incorporate trophies of player characters' heads mounted on a plaque as a RARE body drop, with full particle effects/clothing retained.consolidating new complications...<cite>Seliri wrote in "<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=521042" target="_blank">Why GU#64 Doesn't Offer a Robust PvP Experience</a>":</cite><blockquote>Lol @ how PvE/PvP integration was attempted, so terrible...Phuaearoeeoaurking with crit chance rates, potency capped higher than CB, MA/flurry/DPS caps FAR too low...What has it beeen, 3 or 4 yrs with 100+ crit & now estimating focus/spike damage is just urinating in the wind unless you have mage odds.Shouldve just adjusted toughness' strength with LIGHT scaling on MA/flurry (auto attack damage is vital for many classes & obviously SOE's budget is too feeble to focus on adjusting melee CA damage)."In PvP" for PvE gear should have stats reduced to old DoV PvP gear status, HP at least...PvE procs should work in PvP, but they should be obtainable in pvp, even if as rare drops or rare drop quests requiring a variety of class/zone/hot zone specific kills.Now the fastest way to compete is PvE raiding, then the long haul battlegrounds/warfield grind...Warfields are still so mundane an objective they really shouldve never been implemented with as dry a premise behind them... Body drop tokens also discourage open world pvp & writs should return, as the gain is just so miniscule when split between large #s that battlegrounds becomes the obvious fastest route amidst a sprinkled warfields round, which is truly ignorant & unacceptable for promoting open world PvP.Cleric/Shaman group heals shouldntah been nerfed, neither Doom Judgement, crowd control for the 2nd time, Sanctuary, or some of the other flippantly undermined goodies.That just further reduces player morale & pushes toward a loss of individuality, tactics, & veteran favor.Aaaand also lm/-o @ scaling 30-89 "level agnostic" battlegrounds. Absolutely unacceptable...If match queues & #s are so low, it's a sign that even inadvertent/passive attempts to undermine level locking wont revive poor attendance.Rewarding the best pvp pieces for all toons if a 1st-3rd competitor in battlegrounds or with CLASSIC PVP ranks remains the more respectable attempt at stimulus.Removing player choice to enjoy success in lower level locking tiers, those revered for less overpowered gimmicks & less time until competency is adopted, it only breeds disagreement & abandonment.See: further population decline when T2-T3 LVL locking niches were erased with wrongful imposition of city pvp rules in T2 zones.Lowbie PvP has already been seriously bastardized & destroyed with the annihilation of spike DPS as toughness wrongly remains in place on lowbie PvP gear when originally designed for crit bonus introduced in sentinel's fate -- now still with its life being leeched through terrible PvE/PvP integration & damage balance.Plus all the other stuff in my 45 PoAfEP (dat siggy link).Of course, these 3 threads are appropriate & well founded.<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=520809">In this thread, post Ideas that would increase open world pvp on nagafen.</a><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=521033">Seriously what will it take...</a><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=519686" target="_blank">Discuss GU #64 PvP Abilities/AA Changes</a>On the plus side, token cost for PvP gear is high, which means there will be some content longevity out of this for the diehards...but the T1-T2 prices are ridiculous, especially being worse than old DoV PvP gear...</blockquote><cite>Seliri wrote in "<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=520667" target="_blank">Blood Symphony & Blood Ritual Nerf Must be Reverted...</a>":</cite><blockquote><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>PVP UPDATESThe effects of Blood Ritual and Blood Symphony have been reduced in effectiveness in PVP combat.Mage Damage has been reduced in PVP combat.The effectiveness of Lethality and Toughness has been increased.</blockquote>The 2 most popular jewelry items containing these buffs were like, one of the only unique & beneficial accessories from past content that were useful.Striving for & acquiring items like these gave & gives strategery to mastering successful PvP planning/itemization & now they're worthless.They need to be unnerfed.The fastest route to competency is now T10 raiding & I guess that's a little bland with the nullifying of farming Zarrakon & Gwarthlea in Vasty Deep: Vestigial Cella (or Marks of Manaar in generic Sentinel's Fate content).</blockquote> <cite>Daalilama@Nagafen wrote</cite><cite> in "<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=520667" target="_blank">Blood Symphony & Blood Ritual Nerf Must be Reverted...</a>"</cite><cite>:</cite> <blockquote>TBH the proc nerf was another fools errand just like gear seperation was...procs were never the main issue it was stat inflation/unadjusted blue stats for pvp that was the serious issue...a real pvp dev that actually you know spent years actually on the pvp server would have know this instead of beta buffing to lvl 20 and trying procs and classes out in darklight woods...oppps cats out out of the bag...</blockquote> There can't remain a healthy expectation for PvP balance with the systematic disabling of melee competency.

Bosconi

09-18-2012, 08:34 PM

I've been enlisted by the great Gnome of Gnomes for archiving the latest recap on things to do for EQ2 PvP! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>razu wrote:</cite><blockquote>SOE gives players pvp hot zones- players farm alts insteadPlayers kill towers and call out as fast as possible to avoid pvp. I guess SOE made them hit their call to guild hall instead of engaging pvp?I don't see that all of the problems are with SOE, I see the problem with a player base that has obviously changed since 2006. Saying that it's all Sonys fault and not the players who CHOOSE to take actions other than PVP is very one sided. Most negative changes that have been made to PVP is because of the PLAYER POPULATION crying untill SOE caves in and changes it to appeal to the masses. Removal of T2 PVP. Why did that get taken out of the game? Oh yeah, because PLAYERS cried and cried untill it was removed. I stand by my statement. It is the player base where the true problem lies. If people really wanted to pvp, they would, instead of farming alts and avoiding open world pvp every chance they get. When the pvp hot zones first came out, I personally thought it was going to bring out some open world pvp, instead it brought out a bunch of cheaters who farm alts to get gear and STILL don't attempt to fight other players. If BGs were removed from the server, people would leave the server, because as it stands now this PLAYER BASE for the most part does not truly want pvp. This is evident from the actions that PLAYERS take. Alright, I'll rephrase that a little bit, everyone would leave except the true pvpers, which would just be a handful of us, then they would shut the server down from lack of population. IF removing BGs would really stimulate pvp then I am all for it, but I honestly do not see that being a fix, because like I said before, the player base is the problem. Nobody makes anyone que up for BGs, that is a choice, when killing ONE person solo gives 25 tokens, 32 in a pvp hot zone. Thank you SOE for attempting to revive open world pvp, it's not your fault that the PLAYER BASE is horrible and chose to farm alts instead. Fix alt farming before BGS are even looked at.</blockquote>Uhm, the fact remains that solo PvP isn't necessarily the most rewarding given flawed PvE/PvP gear integration & glaring class imbalances with FOTM status.SOE has NOT adequately promoted world PvP because the GUARANTEE FOR EASY TOKENS is easymode, instant battlegrounds & getting flagged at warfields.Honestly I don't see the justification for being such an oblivious fanboy in this regard, because the facts & the details are just absolutely against you.Lol @ ACTING LIKE PvP hot zones were ever going to be the remedy to anything when tokens are divided so drastically when groups engage.Overland PvP is ambiguous, difficult, demanding of coordination, & the reward isn't guaranteed.The problem is that GUARANTEED easymode options detract from true dedication to organizing a successful hunt.You seem to have a problem with the "risk of losing players" if battlegrounds are neutered, when in reality, this isn't an issue.This is a PvP server, & the community/health of overland PvP takes precedence.There's honestly no grounds for this pessimism aside from minor vocal posters on the forums.Overland PvP was rampant & boisterous in the past, & to doubt optimistic hope for its return when bloccades to it are abolished has no place in consciousness.Sure, run a server vote on the issue, though I doubt SOE "devs/visionaries" would be willing to phrase questions in a fair manner or even run the poll, regardless, i.e. "Considering that many feel a PvP server primarily identifies with a community actively overland PvPing, CHECK which ruleset mods you would approve of..."And even if some redactions/inclusions weren't supported by the community, they'd need to go forward anyways, because all of the complications I've addressed detract from engagement & the niche of players who pursue PvP. /emphatic_nodThough I'd agree other ruleset changes are needed before battlegrounds are castrated (on only Tues/Wed, for instance), as PrometheusAfire noted... 1.) NO HEIRLOOM PVP TOKENS (again, reduces content longevity, promotes easymode alt farming [LVL 10s, trade, etc, dumb, etc, blah] -- who cares if correcting this is a 3rd or 4th flip flop, IT'S WRONG, & whoever approved it must confess that)2.) classic mount runspeeds3.) leapers/gliders/fliers on Tues/Wed only (or always allowed if altitude capped & FINE TESTING ABSOLUTELY equates their speed to classic ground mount runspeeds -- portals on the ground leading to the higher platform of the Plane of War would negate altitude needs -- altitude caps in the Great Divide could be lifted on Tues/Wed for the flying mount quest)3a.) pvp should be allowed while flying/gliding/leaping if speed adjustments go forward4.) crowd control/cures being unnerfed5.) 30 sec immunity when done zoning/evacuating6.) no Toughness on lowbie gear7.) level locking starting at T28.) REMOVE city PvP rules in T2 contested zones9.) classic PvP rank system (with an eventual seasonal leaderboard/reward system w/ GMs investigating abuse/farming)9a.) the +/- 1 rank fame range ensured casuals would progress through PvP ranks9b.) the +/-1 rank fame range ensured deep PvP rank progression would actually be a DIFFICULT HUNT9c.) the +/-1 rank fame range lets players engage without pressure of fame loss at times, which is a staple for engaging without inhibition, a common player desire10.) ERASE all simplified global travel10a.) no guild druid/spire/wizard portals or bells10b.) no quest/zone rewards providing travel to a zone or instance10c.) no immunity on Antonican/Commonlands/Nektulos docks10d.) place the otters leading to the Great Divide on a newly created set of Sinking Sands docks, at least 40 sec travel from the normal docks at the classic ground mount runspeed cap.10e.) no portal from the Great Divide to the Eastern Wastes10f.) erase guild strategist amenity to replace with track lock of 3 overland targets contested for 3+ minutes10g.) include forgotten additions as needed, etc...11.) no mercenaries (auto-poof when engaged in PvP)12.) a return of overland PvP writ givers [no posters] ONLY13.) the removal of warfields or giving a flag doubling tokens during their CONSTANT duration AND changing victor rewards to NOT be PvP tokens, but durational flags valuable to all playstyles14.) entering the dungeon finder/dungeon creator/house directory must take 30 seconds once the queue is approved15a.) free transfers to Nagafen from the FREEPORT server for TWO WEEKS (no PvP offering was given when F2P 1st launched15b.) cut in half transfer cost from all servers TO Nagafen16.) have battlegrounds return you to the zone you were in, & not the battlegrounds hub17.) battlegrounds tier segments should at least be in blocks of 2 (20-39, 40-59, 60-79, 80-91, 92 [then 92-95])17a.) it's obvious that disparity in spells/CAs, gear, mythical, & AAs cant be compensated for despite any "balancing" algorithms18.) battlegrounds on Tues/Wed only19.) hire me as the janitor closet apprentice gnome developerI for one, probably won't play EQ2 unless the PvE/PvP integration & damage balance mechanics are adequately revised, & that will also probably never happen.<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote>1.) potency has a higher cap than crit bonus2.) crit bonus' cap is too low3.) multi-attack/flurry are capped too low4.) pve/raid gear didnt get reduced "in pvp" stats to make it equal to old DoV PvP gear (meaning PvEing is the fastest way to PvP competency -- if PvEers fear PvP gear will be too strong compared to PvE gear, then just make PvP gear weaker in its normal state, & stronger in its "In PvP" state)5.) lethality/toughness are worthless</blockquote>The "devs/visionaries" seem to have hang-ups about these vital compromises though, as I can't really see them ever having been avid PvPers...Also, I've modified an older list of urgencies I made, separate from what I see as the simpler list above...<cite>Seliri wrote:</cite><blockquote>Top 6 "Eventual" to do for EQ2 PvP... :1.) Choice of rewards per tier for 1st-4th placement in the PvP rank scheme, every 2 months...1a.) Best item in 1-2 slots, SPECIFIC TO THE TIER YOUR CHAMPION IS IN (i.e. highest LVL 44 Overlord unlocks T5 earrings), unlocked on all characters, PLUS 1 or more other choices from the seasonal rewards list in the 45 PoAfEP in my signature2.) Choice of rewards, per tier, for 1st-4th placement in Battlegrounds, every 2 months...2a.) Best item in 1-2 slots, SPECIFIC TO THE TIER YOUR CHAMPION IS IN, unlocked on all characters, PLUS 1 or more other choices from the seasonal rewards list in the 45 PoAfEP in my signature3.) Difficult, contested x4/x3/x2 raids dropping valuable loot/components...4.) Redo objectives in PQs/WFs to become unique, scene/task-based, stages of objectives covering a large swathe of an overland zone in public quests & warfields, with sustained rewards/buffs, timer resets or reducers, or rare recipes/trinkets/components, etc...5.) Multi-region, rare-trinket drops (from Sentinel's Fate instances made contested, for example) & chances at a ultra rare Fabled or Mythical crafted products from these collective trinkets, promoting contested PvP abroad in various settings, without the zerg...6.) Kills have a chance to drop the player's head on a plaque as a house item (full armor/skin/preferred non-SOGA model type/particle effects preserved).</blockquote>So 29-30 revised points total! n_nIf you think "SOE listens to the players", the fact is that this "just listening to players" entirely irrelevant because, A, "Do they listen to the actual avid PvPers with experience?", & B, "Do they "listen" in a haphazard manner, wherein they add their own additions or approve their own omissions to the suggestions of experienced players?"</blockquote>