Unraveling ancient history of EQ1

[Siruti]

<p>Pre-Timesplit Lore from EQ1 (Plane of Justice)</p><p><strong>Section A - Places</strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: x-large;">Part 1 - Farfurlong</span></strong></p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/a/d/adde70325e59161974798ed14b55c016.png" width="300" height="457" /></p><p>You say, 'Hail, Azomnius'</p><p>Azomnius stretches and turns ageless eyes upon you. "Mortal Dark Elf. Mortal Dark Elf, there is trouble for you. Trouble I foresee. Azomnius can see your future, Dark Elf, and your [future] is turbulent.'</p><p>You say, 'future'</p><p>Azomnius says 'Already written, is the story of your life, Dark Elf. Penned with blood, upon pages of flayed skin, bound in tanned flesh and stored with an infinity of likewise tales, [tales] for the living, recorded by the dead.'</p><p>You say, 'tales'</p><p>Azomnius says 'These books can I see. Visit the Spliye Librarium of Tenthia, do I. Visit now, while we speak. Your story I read, and woeful are its twists. Yours is a story of gravity, it bends stories from far and wide to itself. Interesting, it is. Most rare. Throughout <strong>Farfurlong</strong>, there are few of your kind. Where are you from, wonder I. Perhaps where is not close. . . perhaps I should ask from [When]?'</p><p>You say, 'when?'</p><p>Azomnius says 'Time is abstract, Dark Elf. Your tales are penned outside of time, stored in the Spliye Librarium, read by me, by others. Your When is distant. Either far past or aeons yet to occur. . . continents will rise and fall between us, Dark Elf. Tell me, do you know of [<strong>Farfurlong</strong>], even?'</p><p>You say, 'Farfurlong'</p><p>Azomnius says 'says, 'Your eyes tell me all I need to know, Dark Elf. . . into the aeons I have stepped, with your tale I see pages. . . of such. . . ' His eyes instantly open wide, he regards you with a shocked expression. 'I would not have guessed it possible. . . perhaps the Prophecy of Bridged Time is upon us! I. . . I must. . . read more of your story, Dark Elf. Much, much more. . .' His eyes close, he appears to slip into a trance, from which you fear to wake him.'</p>

[Siruti]

<p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id17981.png" width="357" height="467" /></p><p>You say, 'Hail, Kantao Darkwaters'</p><p>Kantao Darkwaters says 'Tricksy beast that you are, the Darkwaters shall have their revenge! Mark my words, Dark Elf! The old ways are swept away, and we must join with the new powers if we are to survive! A storm is coming to <strong>Farfurlong</strong>, and the wise will be on the side of the victors when the dust has settled!'</p>

[Siruti]

<p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/f/2/f23c4a15bfc92cc4a3cada06de4121b1.png" width="300" height="403" /></p><p>You say, 'Hail, Ranno Zalpar'</p><p>Ranno Zalpar fingers the hilt of a blade that sticks out from the scabbard at his side. 'By the Allfather, this foolishness had best end soon. The likes of me, trapped here like a songbird in a cage. . . me, the most honourable soul across the whole continent of <strong>Farfurlong</strong>. Loyal, dependable. . .' He looks directly into your eyes. 'Honest.' He sighs, and turns away.</p>

[Siruti]

<p><strong><span style="font-size: x-large;">Part 2 - Felinyria</span></strong></p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/8/9/89494c8fa91b2cc883d82dc71d2be189.png" width="499" height="429" /></p><p>You say, 'Hail, Conjurer Mrial'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial snarls, revealing yellowed teeth. Several are missing, and from the scarring that covers his face, you wonder what battles he has seen. "Dark Elf. . . your clothing is strange, your accent stranger still. What is your business here, intruding upon my judgement, upon my incarceration? A guard you are not, that is obvious. Have you come to [torment] me?'</p><p>You say, 'what torment'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'Imprisonment here is torment. From the screams and the shouts, it appears as if mine is not the most unpleasant of all the imprisonments, I have should add. My [cell mate] was dragged away just nights prior, yelling his lungs out, what lungs he had left.'</p><p>You say, 'what cell mate'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'Strange, was he. As strange as even you. His accent was similar, none like I have heard throughout the Widening, or even from my extensive travels into the Darkened Lands. There are few languages spoken throughout Felinyria, and I am proficient in most. Your tongue is of interest to me. [Rhombiss] told me much that I found unlikely.'</p><p>You say, 'who is Rhombiss'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'Such was the name that he gave himself, before the guards took him. He claimed that he was a scholar, and came from a land named "Atonicka", or similar. I have charted the entire Known Realms, and never has such a name arisen. Prime Logician Taelin had a [theory] that perhaps held water, on a similar subject.'</p><p>You say, 'what theory'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'My most trusted advisor, and a man of some considerable talents. . . he came from a land from past the Faraway itself, on the far side of the Known Lands. The journey is perilous even to there. Taelin postulated that all places existed as one, as the strands in a loom. He was a. . . maker of [devices].'</p><p>You say, 'what devices'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'Such devices I could never understand, but they filled the Gleaming City from front gate to Keep. His contributions to city life were without equal. He always talked of making a device for moving people from one place-strand to another, in the blink of an eye. I was skeptical, for such workings seem too much like the "magic" of which the old [religions] spoke.'</p><p>You say, 'what religions'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'The ancients are supposed to have believed in all manner of strange models of explaining the unknown. Tales that not even a child would credit. The ideas of my old advisor Taelin came to mind with the mad [ravings] of this Rhombiss fool.'</p><p>You say, 'what ravings'</p><p>Conjurer Mrial says 'He talked incessantly of opening holes in space itself, and stepping through to his home land. . . that "Atonicka" place, which I don't doubt was a figment of his troubled mind. In his sleep, he screamed as if in battle itself. I don't miss him. Wherever he is, I am quite pleased that it is not here.'</p><div></div>

[Meirril]

<p>Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...while the plane of justice did exist before the time split I don't recognize a single NPC you've got here or the quest. I'm perty sure I would of known about something like this if it existed during PoP as I spent a lot of time in PoJ.</p><p>Sorry, this entered EQ1 after the time split.</p>

[Cometar]

<p>Also, isn't entering the planes and killing gods what caused the time split to begin with? Because of that, I didn't think anything from Planes of Power was cannon to EQ2 either?</p><p>(PoP itself and onward, just to clarify)</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Also, the PoJ stuff we definately did before the timesplit and I'm sure the timesplit is mentioned in EQ2</p><p>Here is what i believe is the case:</p><p>1) The lore in PoP is canon</p><p>2) The events after Planes of Power are not canon to EQ2 but that does not rule them out until contradicted here</p><p>3) EQ2 sits on a new timeline, created by Druzzl before we release Zeb but that doesn't negate the lore WITHIN PoP as we had to get up to that point to cause the events in the first place</p><p>To give you an idea - from EQ2 we can surely agree that we delved into the Planes of Power and the timesplit did occur and because of this we can say that adventurers definately went to the Plane of Disease, Crypt of Decay etc. This gives us some freedom to say that Lxanvom did exist in the past and is part of EQ2 lore (yes i know it was reconfirmed here in a book). </p><p>So, essentially, everything up to the point of the split is canon to EQ2 even if it did occur in our 'parent' timeline</p>

[troodon311]

<p>Sirutill is correct.  Simply existing in the PoP expansion should not preclude lore from applying to EQ2, since the time split did not occur until the end of the expansion's timeline, and the timeline split wouldn't have created a new continent anyways.</p><p>Of course, the EverQuest devs have simply decided to ignore Norrath's <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Skyfire%20Mountains/EQ000829.jpg" target="_blank">other landmasses</a>, so I don't know where that leaves us.</p>

[Cometar]

<p><cite>troodon311 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sirutill is correct.  Simply existing in the PoP expansion should not preclude lore from applying to EQ2, since the time split did not occur until the end of the expansion's timeline, and the timeline split wouldn't have created a new continent anyways.</p><p>Of course, the EverQuest devs have simply decided to ignore Norrath's <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Skyfire%20Mountains/EQ000829.jpg" target="_blank">other landmasses</a>, so I don't know where that leaves us.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but didn't the gods "resetting" everything stop the mortals from entering the planes? I took this to mean before PoP. Or did the reset and planes access being away happen at different times? The time split has always been a little confusing to me even after 6 1/2 years. haha</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Deus ex machina</p>

[Siruti]

<p><cite>Lokos@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>troodon311 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Sirutill is correct.  Simply existing in the PoP expansion should not preclude lore from applying to EQ2, since the time split did not occur until the end of the expansion's timeline, and the timeline split wouldn't have created a new continent anyways.</p><p>Of course, the EverQuest devs have simply decided to ignore Norrath's <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/troodon/Skyfire%20Mountains/EQ000829.jpg" target="_blank">other landmasses</a>, so I don't know where that leaves us.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but didn't the gods "resetting" everything stop the mortals from entering the planes? I took this to mean before PoP. Or did the reset and planes access being away happen at different times? The time split has always been a little confusing to me even after 6 1/2 years. haha</p></blockquote><p>In our lore for eq2, it says she <a href="http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/words-of-zebuxoruk/" target="_blank">split the timeline</a>, so we know 100% that it did happen in eq2 <strong>lore </strong>as we have a book about it. She probably rolled it back to events before the <a href="http://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/the-gathering-in-the-fog/" target="_blank">PoP prelude lore</a> they released when the expansion came out.</p><p>As the words of zeb says 'the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that <strong>the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on</strong> before me' - this certainly indicates there was a certain amount of hours that were omitted from one universe.</p><p>Then from that point onwards, we know that the two timelines became drastically different '<strong>the words and symbols upon them both began to change, slightly at first but more and more profoundly as they continued on'</strong> (ie luclin was attacked, it explodes, the sundering etc) this is noted in the journal.</p><p>So you can see that in EQ2's lore there was a Planes of Power invasion on a seperate timeline and therefore we do not need to ignore the npcs in the plane of justice as we know in our lore players got far beyond the plane of justice and into Time itself.</p>

[Cusashorn]

The Planes of Power is canon to our universe... I'm trying to remember what it was the developers told us. The difference between the EQlive and EQ2 universes is... Please correct me if I have these two switched around... In Eqlive, because Druzzil Ro turns back time, The events of the Plane of Time never happened. We never entered it to begin with, and never fought the gods and freed Zebuxoruk because of the time loop that happens and the paradox that comes with it. In EQ2, we DID conquer the Plane of Time, where we did fight the gods and freed Zebuxoruk, but just what actually happened at that point is still (and probably intentionally) left blank and we don't know what happened next except that it started the chain of events that happened over the past 500 years. However, from looking up those mobs in the Plane of Justice listed above, I can't find any information on what purpose they served. I seriously seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that they included these NPCs just to give a prophecy about EverQuest 2's lore set-up though.

[Siruti]

<p>Oh don't worry i'm not peddling prophecies (in this thread), i was listing them as part of a historic places that were mentioned in them. I know recently we've all been talking alot about dark elf origins (when have we never), Tal'Thex and generally ancient history (ie Mayong, Xulous, Jal'Raeth) and I thought these and the other posts i'm going to make.</p><p>The prophecy mentioned is interesting in itself though but that's for another day I guess! </p>

[Siruti]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...while the plane of justice did exist before the time split I don't recognize a single NPC you've got here or the quest. I'm perty sure I would of known about something like this if it existed during PoP as I spent a lot of time in PoJ.</p><p>Sorry, this entered EQ1 after the time split.</p></blockquote><p>Just to note on this, language is important as well as your race to get these to trigger - if you go there today you can experience this for yourself. I'm guessing some fo these npcs either don't understand you, you don't understand them or they do not recognise your race due to them never coming across anything but a dark elf before. It would be interesting try to try with several races to see which ones they do know</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1. One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p>

[Ragnaphore]

<p>I found this part interesting.</p><p><em>You say, 'who is Rhombiss'</em></p><p><em>Conjurer Mrial says 'Such was the name that he gave himself, before the guards took him. He claimed that he was a scholar, and came from a land named "<strong>Atonicka</strong>", or similar. I have charted the entire Known Realms, and never has such a name arisen.</em></p><p>This sounds awfuly like "Antonica".</p><p>It might have been just an - obscure at the time - Easter Egg and have no bearing in EQ2 Lore tho.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I found this part interesting.</p><p><em>You say, 'who is Rhombiss'</em></p><p><em>Conjurer Mrial says 'Such was the name that he gave himself, before the guards took him. He claimed that he was a scholar, and came from a land named "<strong>Atonicka</strong>", or similar. I have charted the entire Known Realms, and never has such a name arisen.</em></p><p>This sounds awfuly like "Antonica".</p><p>It might have been just an - obscure at the time - Easter Egg and have no bearing in EQ2 Lore tho.</p></blockquote><p>Antonica was the name the humans gave the continent that Qeynos and Freeport were on. Yes, it was the same continent back then. Before it was called Antonica the elves named it Tunaria when they first inhabited the Elddar Forest.</p><p>It doesn't have any seperate significance as far as EQ2 goes.</p>

[Siruti]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1. One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p></blockquote><p>When stonebrunt mountains was released behind the warrens to allow access to the Legacy of Ykesha expansion they added a new feature to items in game that flagged any item used in a quest with the word 'QUEST' (kinda like 'LORE' etc)</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?&topic_id=145738" target="_blank">People found that the Glowing Black Stone that Pyzjn dropped (is hooked into the Valdoartus Varsoon church area in Qeynos Hills) was flagged with Quest</a>. Many people looked for an answer to this but couldn't find it. Eventually a Dev <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=148525" target="_blank">(Prathun) looked into this and found there was indeed a quest that was part of Stonebrunt Mountains</a> and nobody had yet figured it out.</p><p>I love Varsoon as he's such an enigma and as you might guess from my posts I love a good mystery - can't wait till any extra lore comes out when someone finds out what the quest was for.</p>

[Ragnaphore]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I found this part interesting.</p><p><em>You say, 'who is Rhombiss'</em></p><p><em>Conjurer Mrial says 'Such was the name that he gave himself, before the guards took him. He claimed that he was a scholar, and came from a land named "<strong>Atonicka</strong>", or similar. I have charted the entire Known Realms, and never has such a name arisen.</em></p><p>This sounds awfuly like "Antonica".</p><p>It might have been just an - obscure at the time - Easter Egg and have no bearing in EQ2 Lore tho.</p></blockquote><p>Antonica was the name the humans gave the continent that Qeynos and Freeport were on. Yes, it was the same continent back then. Before it was called Antonica the elves named it Tunaria when they first inhabited the Elddar Forest.</p><p>It doesn't have any seperate significance as far as EQ2 goes.</p></blockquote><p>Bah, looks like I had a brainfart, sorry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong><em>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1.</em></strong></span> One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p></blockquote><p>There were a few apparently to. Two very distinct ones in Neriak, where a dark elf talks of  the other half of an ancient scroll that is said to have the runes to directly commune with Innoruuk on it. (this iirc is part of the scroll Talvus was returning to Neriak with in the events between EQ1 and EQ2 that we get to see in the pre-EoF build up quest).</p><p>And a dark elf priestess who was in the game since launch in 1999 saying that there was once a 4th now extinct race of elf at first it wasnt such an issue as so much of the game was yet uncovered. But later players flooded ideas on the lore boards trying to figure it out as late as 2004-2005. By then <span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Vhalar</strong></span> one of the devs on the eq1 crew in 2004  she said she figured it the Elddar Elf race and there wasnt a lot of "wiggle room" for it to be anything else. This was taken with shrug from most of the original lore heads of eq1. We now know in 2009-Present that it was in the other dark elves now extinct.</p><p>What i think Garcia and Trost and maybe others did was take some secrets "with them" to eq2 without letting the EQ1 crew they were leaving behind in on all Norrath's hidden gems. To let the mystery and puzzles be solved here as well as the original ones for players to uncover in the continuing EQ1. Giving this games puzzle and mystery solvers ancient clues to figure out without the stigma of having to think it was entire new lore made up for just this game (certain gods come to mind, but it works out).</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Hmm rez! That sounds similar to the events related to the shard of hate opening? Is that what you mean?</p><p>Also, looking back at this thread again, the following text:</p><p>Azomnius says 'Already written, is the story of your life, Dark Elf. Penned with blood, upon <strong>pages of flayed skin, bound in tanned flesh</strong> and stored with an <strong>infinity of likewise tales</strong>, [tales] for the living, recorded by the dead.'</p><p>Reminds me significantly of the 1001 tales of maj'dul book that contains our story in it</p><p><span style="color: #3a3a3a; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px;">The <strong>1001 Tales </strong><span style="font-size: 13px; font-style: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;">of Maj'Dul</span> is a magical book authored by Odyllus, the Oracle of Lilfire. It is comprised of apparently-blank pages, save a single line with an "X" next to it, and is covered in what appears to be <strong>dark black flesh</strong></span></p>

[troodon311]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there.</p></blockquote><p>If these guys weren't there saying this stuff when PoP was released (I don't know if they were or weren't, I didn't explore PoP much) when would they have been put in?  Since they refer to other landmasses on Norrath, they presumably would have been put in at a time when the EQ development team was planning on expanding the game onto other continents.  The only time this seems to have been true has been before GoD, when they last released a new landmass.  Since then they've been expanding in basically every direction other than new continents.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm rez! That sounds similar to the events related to the shard of hate opening? Is that what you mean?</p></blockquote><p>naw the NPC's im talking about are in EQ1's Neriak. The one speaking about the 4th race of elf was in game since 1999. Players tried all sorts of ways to get the NPC to give a quest or do something with the text.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>I gotcha, i remember that guy RE: the lost 'dal' race - always assumed it was Elddar or a pre-version before they left the underfoot (before it physically changed their appearance?) I need to get that quote but having some trouble finding it at the moment but it's definately there!</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>I'm sure it's been clarified a few times, but I skimmed.</p><p>The timeline split is simple. The text says something along the lines of two scrolls, one continuing and one rolling back into itself. The continued timeline is ours. The plane of time occurances  happened, Zeb was freed, quarm was defeated.</p><p>EQ1's timeline rolled back to just before adventurers entered the plane of time. If it was not for external, behind-the-keyboard intervention, EQ1 would be stuck in an eternal loop. </p><p>Everything that EQ1 mentions that existed or happened prior to the split SHOULD exist in EQ2, either as dust or otherwise. (Katta Castrum, the realm of discord, etc.) We may never see them, they may be entirely inaccessable, but they do exist.</p>

[Siruti]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong><em>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1.</em></strong></span> One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p></blockquote><p>There were a few apparently to. Two very distinct ones in Neriak, where a dark elf talks of  the other half of an ancient scroll that is said to have the runes to directly commune with Innoruuk on it. (this iirc is part of the scroll Talvus was returning to Neriak with in the events between EQ1 and EQ2 that we get to see in the pre-EoF build up quest).</p><p>And a dark elf priestess who was in the game since launch in 1999 saying that there was once a 4th now extinct race of elf at first it wasnt such an issue as so much of the game was yet uncovered. But later players flooded ideas on the lore boards trying to figure it out as late as 2004-2005. By then <span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Vhalar</strong></span> one of the devs on the eq1 crew in 2004  she said she figured it the Elddar Elf race and there wasnt a lot of "wiggle room" for it to be anything else. This was taken with shrug from most of the original lore heads of eq1. We now know in 2009-Present that it was in the other dark elves now extinct.</p><p>What i think Garcia and Trost and maybe others did was take some secrets "with them" to eq2 without letting the EQ1 crew they were leaving behind in on all Norrath's hidden gems. To let the mystery and puzzles be solved here as well as the original ones for players to uncover in the continuing EQ1. Giving this games puzzle and mystery solvers ancient clues to figure out without the stigma of having to think it was entire new lore made up for just this game (certain gods come to mind, but it works out).</p></blockquote><p>Gosh that was a pain to find but eventually got it</p><p><div><p>You say 'Who is Innoruuk'</p><p>Ulazia W'Selo says You speak the name of the prince of Hate. He is the higher power who set the Teir'Dal upon this land. All Teir'Dal pay homage to him. If they do not, they are surely [Heretics].  And, if they are heretics, they surely must die!!'</p><p>You say 'what heretics?'</p><p>Ulazia W'Selo says Speak not of Teir'Dal Heretics. Those Teir'Dal who do not follow Innoruuk shall be cut down! Master Kerton R'dev of the Spires of Innoruuk is seeing to that.'</p><p>You say 'what tier'dal'?</p><p>Ulazia W'Selo says 'I see the ancient language of the elf kind has been neglected. We dark elves are the Tier'Dal, superior to all elves. The high elves are known as the Koada'Dal and the wood elves are the Fier'Dal. <strong>There was once another, but that race is now extinct</strong>.'</p><div></div></div></p>

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><div><p>Ulazia W'Selo says 'I see the ancient language of the elf kind has been neglected. We dark elves are the Tier'Dal, superior to all elves. The high elves are known as the Koada'Dal and the wood elves are the Fier'Dal. <strong>There was once another, but that race is now extinct</strong>.'</p></div></blockquote><p>It would make sense it being the Elddar Elves. But the Elddar never really went extinct, right? They became the High and Wood elves we know today, after they left the Elddar Forrest.</p><p>The only Dal I know to not exist now, are the Sul'Dal. But I don't recall them being thought of as another race. They just worshipped Anashti Sul, so they seemed more like a sect.</p><p>If the Ydal were infact elves, I would venture to say it may be them that the reference is to. But we still don't know what/who the Ydal actually were for sure, right?</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong><em>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1.</em></strong></span> One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p></blockquote><p>There were a few apparently to. Two very distinct ones in Neriak, where a dark elf talks of  the other half of an ancient scroll that is said to have the runes to directly commune with Innoruuk on it. (this iirc is part of the scroll Talvus was returning to Neriak with in the events between EQ1 and EQ2 that we get to see in the pre-EoF build up quest).</p><p>And a dark elf priestess who was in the game since launch in 1999 saying that there was once a 4th now extinct race of elf at first it wasnt such an issue as so much of the game was yet uncovered. But later players flooded ideas on the lore boards trying to figure it out as late as 2004-2005. By then <span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Vhalar</strong></span> one of the devs on the eq1 crew in 2004  she said she figured it the Elddar Elf race and there wasnt a lot of "wiggle room" for it to be anything else. This was taken with shrug from most of the original lore heads of eq1. We now know in 2009-Present that it was in the other dark elves now extinct.</p><p>What i think Garcia and Trost and maybe others did was take some secrets "with them" to eq2 without letting the EQ1 crew they were leaving behind in on all Norrath's hidden gems. To let the mystery and puzzles be solved here as well as the original ones for players to uncover in the continuing EQ1. Giving this games puzzle and mystery solvers ancient clues to figure out without the stigma of having to think it was entire new lore made up for just this game (certain gods come to mind, but it works out).</p></blockquote><p>Could it be a refrence to the inhabitants of Takish-Hiz? I'll call them Sul'dal for now since I can't find a name for Sand Elves. While I admit it could be a refrence to Ydal, I'd like to say it just as much could refer to something else.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>One we always miss is the Nota'Dal from Luclin</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The Sul'Dal aren't Sand Elves, nor are the Sand Elves Sul'Dal. The Ydal weren't written in until TSO came out, so it can't be that.... Not that they're elves in the first place. They're called Ydal, not Y'Dal. The appostrophe makes all the difference.</p>

[Siruti]

<p ><p >There were definately 'Dal' but I am never sure if they refer to Dal as Elddar (i guessed that was the case)</p><p >-----------------</p><p >You say, 'Hail, Oracle of K`Arnon'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says 'Greetings, <Your Name>, I am the Oracle of K'Arnon. Do you quest for [knowledge] yourself, or do you offer that which I [seek]?</p><p >You say, 'What about knowledge?'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says 'I have lived long and have insight into many matters, yet I despise charity. To learn from me, you must first bring me that which I [seek].</p><p >You say, 'What do you seek?'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says 'I seek knowledge, which is superior to all things. And no knowledge is greater than that which is contained within the [Tome of Ages].</p><p >You say, 'What is the Tome of Ages?'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says '<strong>The Tome of Ages has been compiled over the millennia by the Scribes of [Dal].</strong> It was divided into seven distinct books by the scribes to keep the knowledge from one such as me. That said, with aid, I shall unite these books and the Tome of Ages shall be mine.</p><p ><strong>You say, 'What about the Dal?'</strong></p><p ><strong>Oracle of K`Arnon says 'They were elves once, but now are Teir'Dal, and as evil as they are wise. Many tomes have they written, but none greater than the Tome of Ages.</strong></p><p >You say, 'What about the Book of Ages?'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says 'The seven Books that make up the Tome of Ages are those of Enlightenment, Scale, Turmoil, Monuments, Elders, Blood, and the Lost Book. Each of these great books is an important chapter in the history of Norrath. If ever you find one of these books, bring it to me.</p><p >You say, 'What about the Book of Turmoil?'</p><p >Oracle of K`Arnon says 'Ah, yes! The Book of Turmoil. I seek this book, and should you find it and return it to me, I will reward you with secret knowledge.</p></p><p>---------------------------</p><p>You say, 'I seek a scribe of Dal.'</p><p>Lokar To`Biath says 'The Scribes of Dal? All of them are long since [dead].. or at least most would say that.'</p><p>You say, 'Are they all dead?'</p><p>Lokar To`Biath says 'Perhaps, perhaps not. I cannot remember, but perhaps Innoruuk would help me remember should you tithe him a bottle of red wine from the Blind Fish.'</p><p>Give him a bottle of red wine. It can be "Red Wine" from anywhere; it doesn't have to be specifically from the Blind Fish.</p><p>Lokar To`Biath says 'Ah, yes, let me pray to our god.. Yes, Innoruuk has given me wisdom. A Scribe of Dal still exists, disguised as a barkeep in the Blind Fish. This information will not help you though, for she has sworn a [vow] of silence and will not speak of the Dal.'</p><div>------------------------</div><div></div>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Sul'Dal aren't Sand Elves, nor are the Sand Elves Sul'Dal. The Ydal weren't written in until TSO came out, so it can't be that.... Not that they're elves in the first place. They're called Ydal, not Y'Dal. The appostrophe makes all the difference.</p></blockquote><p>Sul'Dal is a title iirc of elves that worshipped Anashti Sul ..</p><p>As for the Ydal... the Ydal has been a part of EQ2's history for a while man.. remember aside from the Ewer Malkonis is searching the Living tombs for the Ankh of Ydal during DoF... we later know the Marshal had to scar Mayongs Face prior to EoF or DOF as Aina tells us they scared Mayong w/it when you return to the Peacock club.</p><p>I'm sticking w/my original theory, things like Ydal/Theer/9 ancient champions/Twin Swords have always been part of the EQ universe as we know it.. but its only released to use in cryptic hints and half truths.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>I always think of Ydal like chromosones and Dal being the full and Ydal having something removed like compassion</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One we always miss is the Nota'Dal from Luclin</p></blockquote><p>This has me stumped. Where are they from in Luclin? Any idea how they got to Luclin? Any idea when they got to Luclin?</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Shadowhaven - they're an off-shoot of the wood elves that came with the combine empire</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Except that they weren't. There wasn't any such race called Nota'Dal (Not A 'Dal, geddit?)</p>

[Siruti]

<p>lol <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it was kinda like Dune - House of Nota'Dal - who worked fervently to mine the spice melange</p>

[rattlebonz]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait? What? The lore included with PoP is not cannon? Can a dev please confirm this?</p></blockquote><p>Lore included in the PoP expansion should be Lore. I wasn't saying that stuff in PoJ can't be Lore to EQ2. Rather I was claiming that the NPCs you are pointing out probably arn't part of the origional PoP expansion.</p><p>Except...now that I'm really thinking about it, I think I do remember them being there. One of those fragments of a quest that didn't really lead anywhere. There are a lot of what appears to be abandoned quests in EQ1. One of the most famous was one of the golem guards in Skyshrine had quest dialogue asking for [Boysenberry Pie]. For years people tried to discover Bysenberry Pie. Eventually years later a recipe for Blueberry Pie was introduced. Cooks everywhere rushed to Skyshrine and discovered...that didn't work either.</p><p>I don't know if Boysenberry Pie was ever discovered in EQ1, but it remains one of the great mysteries of Skyshrine. Really, just why does a magical stone construct hunger for pie?</p></blockquote><p>When stonebrunt mountains was released behind the warrens to allow access to the Legacy of Ykesha expansion they added a new feature to items in game that flagged any item used in a quest with the word 'QUEST' (kinda like 'LORE' etc)</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?&topic_id=145738" target="_blank">People found that the Glowing Black Stone that Pyzjn dropped (is hooked into the Valdoartus Varsoon church area in Qeynos Hills) was flagged with Quest</a>. Many people looked for an answer to this but couldn't find it. Eventually a Dev <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=148525" target="_blank">(Prathun) looked into this and found there was indeed a quest that was part of Stonebrunt Mountains</a> and nobody had yet figured it out.</p><p>I love Varsoon as he's such an enigma and as you might guess from my posts I love a good mystery - can't wait till any extra lore comes out when someone finds out what the quest was for.</p></blockquote><p>Stonebrunt was released at the same time as the Warrens. It was there before LoY came out. Small detail, but clarifying regardless. Stonebrunt Mountains predates LoY by at least two years.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Afraid not</p>

[Siruti]

<p><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">August 29th, 3:00 am------------------------------** Customer Service Limited Holiday Staffing **This Monday, September 3rd, Sony Online Entertainment Customer Service will have limited staffing due to the Labor Day holiday. Our telephone and technical support will be shut down on Monday as well. Normal Game Master hours, phone and technical support will resume on TuesdayHave a safe and happy holiday!<strong>*** New Free Zone - Stonebrunt Mountains ***That's what this patch is all about. We're adding the Stonebrunt Mountains. You will need to choose the Optional Patch to download the files you will need to be able to enter the zone.</strong>From the press release:"Located on the small continent of Odus, the Stonebrunt Mountains are rich with vegetation and distinctive hills that give way to the towering Mount Klaw; the largest mountain in Odus and home to the Kerran village of Kejeka. The zone of Stonebrunt is designed to be a mid-level, outdoor zone similar in scope and scale to the Lake of Ill Omen on Kunark, which has proven to be a very popular zone in EverQuest."You can see the press release in its entirety on our web site <a href="http://www.everquest.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.everquest.com</a>- The EverQuest TeamTorch</span></p>

[rattlebonz]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 11px; font-family: verdana,arial,sans-serif;">August 29th, 3:00 am------------------------------** Customer Service Limited Holiday Staffing **This Monday, September 3rd, Sony Online Entertainment Customer Service will have limited staffing due to the Labor Day holiday. Our telephone and technical support will be shut down on Monday as well. Normal Game Master hours, phone and technical support will resume on TuesdayHave a safe and happy holiday!<strong>*** New Free Zone - Stonebrunt Mountains ***That's what this patch is all about. We're adding the Stonebrunt Mountains. You will need to choose the Optional Patch to download the files you will need to be able to enter the zone.</strong>From the press release:"Located on the small continent of Odus, the Stonebrunt Mountains are rich with vegetation and distinctive hills that give way to the towering Mount Klaw; the largest mountain in Odus and home to the Kerran village of Kejeka. The zone of Stonebrunt is designed to be a mid-level, outdoor zone similar in scope and scale to the Lake of Ill Omen on Kunark, which has proven to be a very popular zone in EverQuest."You can see the press release in its entirety on our web site <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.everquest.com" target="_blank">www.everquest.com</a>- The EverQuest TeamTorch</span></p></blockquote><p>Yeah, of 2001, LoY was released in 2003.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zones.html?zstrat=125" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?zstrat=125</a></p><p>Look at the date on the last comment, which is the oldest. 10/7/01 So, while not two years there was still 16 months there in between. All I remembered was 01 and 03, without looking it up. There was about 4 months, give or take, between The Warrens and SBM.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Hmm that's bizarre, one of the earliest guilds I was in took me to the hot tub at the warrens when I first joined the game - but I was definately in university by the time stonebrunt came out. Now, i'm not sure exactly if it was immediately before LoY but I am pretty sure it was around that time and i always remember going aaaaaa when the docks there became in use for access to LoY</p><p>I'll go investigate cause that could be a major component in figuring out what content may be involved in the item</p>

[rattlebonz]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm that's bizarre, one of the earliest guilds I was in took me to the hot tub at the warrens when I first joined the game - but I was definately in university by the time stonebrunt came out. Now, i'm not sure exactly if it was immediately before LoY but I am pretty sure it was around that time and i always remember going aaaaaa when the docks there became in use for access to LoY</p><p>I'll go investigate cause that could be a major component in figuring out what content may be involved in the item</p></blockquote><p>Stonebrunt just rarely got used, for whatever reason, but it was there way before LoY. LoY was when it got traffic because you HAD to go there to get to LoY (which isn't true any more since they put a stone in PoK a few years back).  The Beatlord Epic has a few steps in SBM and Luclin was released in late '01.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Velious</p><p>Warrens</p><p>Luclin</p><p>Stonebrunt</p><p>Planes of Power</p><p>LoY</p><p>Ah yes this makes sense cause I had the Velious box set when I was hanging in the warrens - so it was probably just before the <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html" target="_blank">launch of Luclin</a> that i started playing cause I was still living with my parents <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /> i definately remember opening the luclin box when I was at uni - when I had just the original game and was starting out in eq1, the warrens was always my stomping ground but then <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-2.html" target="_blank">they added Luclin</a> and PoP and i flew up in levels, i just never went back there anymore <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> till <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-2.html" target="_blank">one day they added Stonebrunt</a> - I musta thought I was still levelling in Planes of Power at the time (the one before LoY) when I went down there to check it out but guess that was still Luclin era!</p><p>Now the quest tag system that they <a href="http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?27388-Random-mesa-spider-drops" target="_blank">added in TSS</a> or something like that allowed the players to see it was a quest item and then <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=148525" target="_blank">the dev said it involved stonebrunt</a> could have been any expansion up to Luclin and possibly <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2003-1.html" target="_blank">around LoY when they added the docks</a> - so we know it's still feasible any lore related to Varsoon and the GBS quest in eq1 could be involved in EQ2 - the problem is figuring out which zone and making sure they didn't make any other patches to stonebrunt after that, up to the point date that the developer confirms the quest exists</p><p>Either way, might have some background on varsoon which is always nice to have since he's such a mysterious man as well as the whole genesis of immortality and Tserinna's involvement on Odus and even Miragul</p>

[rattlebonz]

<p>Stonebrunt was live before Luclin. Luclin was released in December, SBM was live at least by October, probably September of the same year.</p>

[Siruti]

<div><pre>------------------------------ October 5, 2001 Press Release - Graphics Upgrades ------------------------------ THE WORLD OF EVERQUEST® GOES HIGH RESOLUTION WITH EVERQUEST: THE SHADOWS OF LUCLIN™ EXPANSION</pre><pre>------------------------------ August 29, 2001 ------------------------------ Located on the small continent of Odus, the Stonebrunt Mountains are rich with vegetation and distinctive hills that give way to the towering Mount Klaw; the largest mountain in Odus and home to the Kerran village of Kejeka. The zone of Stonebrunt is designed to be a mid-level, outdoor zone similar in scope and scale to the Lake of Ill Omen on Kunark, which has proven to be a very popular zone in EverQuest.</pre></div><p>Aye looks like it - but still the last revamp of the zone before the quest flag was LoY</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Hmm, yes Omens of war for the bstlord 1.5 hmm that could also be something</p><p>nice catch!</p>

[Siruti]

<p>I always thought that they added the zone with LoY in mind because it always seemed so pointless - any other quests added there like any epic 1.5's etc are an addition to the content that i wouldn't expect something like the GBS being involved in</p><p>Question is, if it wasn't LoY in mind what did they want to do with it storywise? The Kejek are really the only main things there other than some random dragons and a few outposts of kobolds - unless it was spare zone art hanging around and they wanted to fill it with some content</p><p>If its a post patch to the zone then Im guessing its somewhere between <strong>Stonebrunt</strong>->Luclin->Pop-><strong>LoY </strong>than any other expansion but which I'm not sure</p>

[rattlebonz]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm, yes Omens of war for the bstlord 1.5 hmm that could also be something</p><p>nice catch!</p></blockquote><p>The original epic, Claws of the Khati Sha (sp) also had quest parts in Stonebrunt.</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Hmm, and the epic was added 30 or so days after the launch of stonebrunt - looks like a good lead to me</p>

[Siruti]

<p>Hmm no, seems more involved with a guy named Draz Nurakk than Varsoon and no mention of Tserinna for other related lore</p>

[Cusashorn]

The Warrens was released long before Stonebrundt. The zone line was blocked off back then. Wait, how the heck did this topic suddenly turn to Stonebrundt Mountains?

[Siruti]

<p>The GBS unsolved quest I mentioned a few posts back <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Iskandar]

<p>There's quite a few unsolved quests in EQ1... sorry, but after three pages of debate over what month Stonebrunt was added in EQ1, I lost track of what it's got to do with EQ2... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

Pretty much nothing, really.

[Siruti]

<p>keep your hair on</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I always thought that they added the zone with LoY in mind because it always seemed so pointless - any other quests added there like any epic 1.5's etc are an addition to the content that i wouldn't expect something like the GBS being involved in</p><p>Question is, if it wasn't LoY in mind what did they want to do with it storywise? The Kejek are really the only main things there other than some random dragons and a few outposts of kobolds - unless it was spare zone art hanging around and they wanted to fill it with some content</p><p>If its a post patch to the zone then Im guessing its somewhere between <strong>Stonebrunt</strong>->Luclin->Pop-><strong>LoY </strong>than any other expansion but which I'm not sure</p></blockquote><p>From what I remember Stonebrunt was basically filling in the holes type work. Odus was always suppose to be a full continent with a vast interrior but when you could only visit the 2 cities and the zone between them...the place felt tiny. Running from Qeynos to Freeport was an epic journey. Walking from any city in Faydark to another was a journey (well, ok not Kelethin to Felwithe). Kunark was a hostile wasteland with small pockets of civilization. Odus...wall to wall city with a park in the middle, a kitty cultural center on an island ("oh look! natives! Take a picture."), and a big Hole tourist attraction.</p><p>The Warrens and the connecting Stnebrunt were suppose to flesh out the continent a lot, and it offered mid-ranged content for those <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">poor forlorn souls that got stuck on this god-forsaken island without the pity of a druid to port</span> enterprising young euradites ready to leave Toxula Forest.</p>