Beneficial critical chances change 4/15/11

[Hennyo]

<p>This is most likely some sort of bug that entered the game in todays patch but I noticed that with 255 critical chance, I was getting some heals that were not criting today in both Temple of Zek and Hall of Legends every so often, when perviously before today this had never happened.</p><p>I have no further information at this time as to what could have caused this, or what was happening, all I know is I had heals that did not crit where before I had never once witnessed that.</p><p>Edit : After looking back over my logs, I can say this happened on both trash mob and named mobs in Foundations of Stone with my direct group heal spell, something that should always critical heal as even before raid buffs I have over 230 percent solo crit chance. According to my ACT parser that spell critically healed 29 percent of the time in that zone.  It should be noted it was not the only spell that was not critically healing either.</p>

[Cometar]

<p>I noticed the same occurence last night. Checking over my logs I discovered that in last night's raid, as compared to last Thursday's raid of the same zone and mobs, my crit chance on beneficial abilities went down by 33%. I have not changed gear nor adornments which would affect my crit in such a manner in that time. In fact, the only change I made was to upgrade my weapon which actually netted in higher crit chance overall.</p><p>Edit: Forgot to mention: data was taken from raids in easy mode Foundation of Stone</p>

[thegriss]

<p>This happend to us last night aswell. With 243 crit chance I was not critting up to 50% of the time on healing spells.  I was beating my head agaist the wall and even got into it a bit with one of our MT healers because I kept saying something was wrong with the crit scale.  Please look into this.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Its definitely related solely to beneficial crit chance.  My Conjuror registered the appropriate level of crits on his damaging spells, but his Heal Servant spell was *WAY* low in the KD raid instances.</p>

[TheGeneral]

<p>That explains what I was seeing last night in Kraytoc's.  Heal crits were WAY down and we had no idea why.  We really need someone to look into this.</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p>Yeah, definitely happening to us in Foundations of Stone tonight.  It's like Whispers of War is stacking with crit avoidance, which would require (just priests) to have about 320% crit chance in an easymode zone.  Kind of ridiculous.</p>

[p3t3rl1]

<p>Hi, this happened in DoV instances as well. I have 210% crit chance and only critted 10% of the time zonewide in Umbral Halls. I am a defiler. </p><p>I did an analysis with ACT and noticed that my group ward and single target ward was critting 15% and 7% respectively while my direct heals (single target, group heals) were critting 100% of the time. </p><p>Meanwhile, the templar in my group has 165% crit chance and was critting 65% of the time </p><p>Asked a guildie warden, he said his heals still proc the normal rate.</p><p>Please fix this, this is very screwed up. </p>

[Hennyo]

<p>Please don't go making anyone think this has anything to do with the fact someone does not know how this game works, and that wards do not show up as critical heals on a parser, except for the direct heal portion caused by myth buffs, or other things that add direct heals onto wards.</p><p>If your playing a defiler, what you should be watching for heal crit percentages in ACT is your direct heals, if those are critting 100 percent of the time, your other heals are too.</p><p>This heal critting issue is still a very real problem in raid zones, and I would like that a developer or someone at least acknowledges it, and lets the concerned player base know that it is known about and being looking into and fixed.</p>

[thegriss]

<p>Again I spent last night struggling in TORZ because this still has not been fixed.  Based on ACT it seems that the benificial debuff mobs apply is double stacking on reactive /ward based spells.  The spells are receiving the crit debuff for the caster and the person they are being cast on. </p><p> Basically  malevolent diatribe is receiving a crit debuff when I cast it then receiving one when it triggers on the player it is being cast on. In easy mode zones like kraytocs and HOL if your base crit is 260 you will not notice this debuff however when you get to torz its very noticable because the crit chance needed is much higher.</p>

[thegriss]

<p>This is a major issue effecting some classes and has been since the 14th.  No Dev response not even a "we are looking into post"</p>

[Tholar]

<p>want to remind the dev in charge:</p><p>this is still going on. the debuff which is cast by the mobs called "wispers of war" (debuffs heal crits by 100% i think) stacks with the critical avoidance buff the mobs have, so you would need 320% critical chance in templ of rallos zek: foundations of stone.</p><p>thanks in advance.</p>

[thegriss]

<p><cite>Aranil@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>want to remind the dev in charge:</p><p>this is still going on. the debuff which is cast by the mobs called "wispers of war" (debuffs heal crits by 100% i think) stacks with the critical avoidance buff the mobs have, so you would need 320% critical chance in templ of rallos zek: foundations of stone.</p><p>thanks in advance.</p></blockquote><p>Dont forget to add <span style="text-decoration: underline;">EM</span> x4 TORZ: FOS</p>

[Tholar]

<p><cite>thegriss wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aranil@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>want to remind the dev in charge:</p><p>this is still going on. the debuff which is cast by the mobs called "wispers of war" (debuffs heal crits by 100% i think) stacks with the critical avoidance buff the mobs have, so you would need 320% critical chance in templ of rallos zek: foundations of stone.</p><p>thanks in advance.</p></blockquote><p>Dont forget to add <span style="text-decoration: underline;">EM</span> x4 TORZ: FOS</p></blockquote><p>well i didnt add the [challenge] in the end, so it should be clear it is just easymode...</p>

[thegriss]

<p>Still no answer. Going to be another pita night in Torz</p>

[Blambil]

<p>From what I was able to see last night, it's still affecting both beneficial and detrimental spell casts.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>It is not affecting hostile crit.</p>

[Cometar]

<p>Just reconfirmed that this was still an issue in Foundation of Stone. With a crit chance of 232 my group heals were still only critting for about 11% in easy mode. Having to have 320% crit chance everytime "Whispers of War" is put on you puts healers who don't have or rely as heavily on wards at a huge disadvantage. And yes, this is only effecting beneficial crit chance as far as I can tell. My outgoing damage was at 97% crit chance.</p>

[thegriss]

<p>Is there a better forum to post this in? We havent even had a "We are looking into it" post yet however Gninja will reply almost daily to the Zones forum</p>

[Cometar]

<p>Just reconfirming that Whispers of War is still causing this issue. And it's been over a month since it was originally brought up. My raid is still running through Foundations of Stone at the moment, but so far:</p><p>Offensive crit percent is 98%.</p><p>Percent on my main group heal is 61%.</p><p>Both of these are with my crit chance % at 262. It's less of a big deal than it used to be because I have much better gear than I did a month ago when this first started happening. However, that should really be regardless of the point since this is an easy mode zone. Hardest of them, but still easy mode.</p>

[thegriss]

<p><span ><span style="color: #cae0e6;"> </span><p><cite>thegriss wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is a good chance people are seeing the double stacking crit chance debuff on beneficial spells that we are seeing in EM raid zones.  You need 320% crit chance to crit 100% of the time on Beneficial spells like wards/reactive heals in TORZ EM.  There are multiple threads about this bug and nothing has been mentioned about it from SOE.</p><p>Links </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499019">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=499019</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499782">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=499782</a> </p></blockquote><p>Letting Roger know about the raid stuff guys. I will forward all Raid topics to him.</p><p>I posted this thread in another thread kander was looking at and he responded.  Maybe now we will get and answer on this issue.</p></span></p>