Tserrina Syltor? Why'd Mayong toot it and boot it? [Archive]

SgtPmpkn

04-14-2011, 04:42 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Few facts for you guys to chew on...Is Tserrina technically a vampire? She is from drinking Mayong's blood but she is also something else and this was due to the above mentioned experiments she conducted on herself. She is not and never was immortal. The combonation of the vampire traits and what she did to herself before that time created something unique in Norrath.How did Mayong lock her into the tower after he left her at the altar? Thats assuming she was ever intended to leave once he got her there to begin with. I can reveal that the curse she had placed on her did allow her to leave the tower but it would have caused her to deteriorate at a very fast rate once outside the tower.What of the Dracholiche? The dracholiche story that was found years ago had no bearing on the reasons Tserrina and Mayong split. Mayong dislikes dragons but the stories about him flipping out over a dracholiche created as a gift are believed to be greatly exaggerated.Why would Mayong care if Tserrina was a pure Tier'dal? He was looking to "create" the perfect bride. In doing so he had specific traits he wished her to have. That being one of them.</blockquote>1. Was there any detailed descriptions in EQ1 about the experiments Tserrina was conducting? I cant seem to find much in the books from the quests.2. So Mayong was looking to create a "trophy" wife and keep her in this tower for whenever he wanted to visit? He's been around for a long time and could have anything, or anyone he wanted... seems there is something much deeper he wanted to accomplish using her. Anyone have any details?3. So by conducting her experiments, for whatever reason, she foiled his 'plan', whatever that was, for her?

Rainmare

04-14-2011, 04:59 PM

Okay...so...Tserrina took -somethings- essence into herself as an attempt to gain immortality. It didn't work...but whatever that something was, when it met vampire blood, it altered the 'transformation' and gave her free will. Okay. the only other being to have this happen, so far, has ben the Freeblood originator. wish we knew more about those experiments now.So these hints seem to be that Mayong's idea of a 'perfect' bride is/was a Tier'dal woman in looks, subserviant to him, and probably with no desire or need to leave home. Suzy homemaker with a touch of sarah conner for badassness if someone showed up unwanted. and this curse on her meant if she attempted to leave, her body would decay rapidly. That's probably the only thing keeping her in the Tower. the other curses/wards on the Tower were to keep all her wedding guests/servants whatnot in when she said 'if I can't leave you won't either'.come to think of it....she's also the only vampiric being we've met that has wings. I wonder if this 'essence' she found wasn't from something that also had wings. draconic perhaps? maybe Tserrina's experiments were with the Coleseance of life?So it seems that while the notes we had left us with the idea mayong didn't know what went wrong, this new little tidbit might hint he figured out what it was...knew that it altered her from a 'pure' tier'dal, and then dismissed her. I'm really interested now in exactly what 'essence' she found. was it somethign from the Void? was it an experiment with the the above item? I wanna know! hehe.EDIT: Altough...800 years past now...I wonder if she and mayong will mend the bridge, so to speak. Other quests and little blurbs in the instances seem to strongly hint that Tserrina still carries a torch for him. and after 800 years and who knows how many other attempts at a 'bride' before the recent events with Lenya...maybe Mayong wouldn't mind having Tserrina at his side again.

lemey

04-14-2011, 05:00 PM

What of the Dracholiche? The dracholiche story that was found years ago had no bearing on the reasons Tserrina and Mayong split. Mayong dislikes dragons but the stories about him flipping out over a dracholiche created as a gift are believed to be greatly exaggerated. is that retcon i smell there, i think it is

Gninja

04-14-2011, 05:19 PM

I assume you are referring to the everquest wiki article on mayong for that info:"It was not long before he found one who was as obsessed with ambition as him. The Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was his student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a dragon in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all."I checked into this story with the EverQuest1 guys, we even had one of the designers who worked on the zone in EverQuest1 working on the zone with me in EverQuest2. They said the story had never been put into game and they weren't sure where players got the info from. It was later found to have been derived from fan fiction. To be completely honest the original wedding in EverQuest 1 within the chapel floor wasn't even Tserrina's wedding. There was very little backstory done on the zone during that time. So no real retcon to lore just fleshed out the story more in detail with the current form.Either way I hope you guys enjoy the story we made for it and there may be more lore to be had from within the tower if you look closely <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cusashorn

04-14-2011, 05:29 PM

Haha oh wow, a bit of fan fiction that actually fooled the majority of the playerbase into thinking it was actual backstory. It's like the First Fist Of Light all over again, only this time nobody thought about it.

Iskandar

04-14-2011, 06:13 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was later found to have been derived from fan fiction.</blockquote>Dang... and how many years has that Wiki entry been misleading people? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Things like this is why I wish you guys could have a more definitive official lore source for players to reference, either here on the forums or ingame in the city libraries (or both), rather than leaving us to often rely less on documented ingame lore and more on memories of dialogue, personal opinions and conjecture, and second-hand (or worse) info that may or may not be accurate so much <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Even a sort of Phantom-esque "The Story So Far..." element would be awesome, much like what has been done with the Duality and the Deepwater Circle in SF and DoV (only a bit broader in scope). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />

Lempo

04-14-2011, 06:31 PM

He said that there may be more lore in the tower if you look closely, which I feel there probably is. Asking for an all access library that has all of the lore of everything is the same as all the people that are asking for everything in here to be nerfed to the point it is trivial to fight it. I guess it will work if you keep hammering away at it though because that is what they are doing and more nerfs to appease those that don't want to put any real effort into defeating an encounter are incoming soon, so keep at it I guess. The game is not staged in current time you do not have things such as the internet, wiki and everything at your disposal to learn this information in game. Information like this is gained primarily through questing, talking to NPC's and reading the 'openly' available books.I swear it feels like by GU61 or GU62 they will finally have that window that pop up when you login that says "I want a max level toon, with max AA, all my masters and fabled adorns on end game raid gear" and just a single OK button so they don't have to deal with the endless petitions from droolers saying "I meant to click OK"I don't see why they couldn't just go ahead and add all the books that can be gained from working through the content as well to put in your library. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Iskandar

04-14-2011, 06:47 PM

<cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Asking for an all access library that has all of the lore of everything is the same as all the people that are asking for everything in here to be nerfed to the point it is trivial to fight it. I guess it will work if you keep hammering away at it though because that is what they are doing and more nerfs to appease those that don't want to put any real effort into defeating an encounter are incoming soon, so keep at it I guess. The game is not staged in current time you do not have things such as the internet, wiki and everything at your disposal to learn this information in game. Information like this is gained primarily through questing, talking to NPC's and reading the 'openly' available books.I swear it feels like by GU61 or GU62 they will finally have that window that pop up when you login that says "I want a max level toon, with max AA, all my masters and fabled adorns on end game raid gear" and just a single OK button so they don't have to deal with the endless petitions from droolers saying "I meant to click OK"I don't see why they couldn't just go ahead and add all the books that can be gained from working through the content as well to put in your library. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>So, how did the United States form? Who won World War I? Who was the first King of England? What was the score on last nights game? What are the first 100 numbers of pi?How do you answer any of these questions? Do you just "know" innately, having never been told? Do you travel through time to the American Revolution and experience it firsthand? If you miss the Superbowl, are you doomed to never ever know who won?No... you read about it. In a book. Or a newspaper. Or online.In EQ1 we had these wonderful little newspaper in each home city that kept players up to speed on current events. There was also the longer Story updates that followed the adventures of key NPCs over the course of an expansion. We didn't have to rely on whoever was updating Wiki to keep up with the game's story, we could buy a newspaper in Shar Vahl for a few silver.So lose the snarkiness and can the attitude, Jeff. It goes nowhere with me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Lempo

04-14-2011, 07:03 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Asking for an all access library that has all of the lore of everything is the same as all the people that are asking for everything in here to be nerfed to the point it is trivial to fight it. I guess it will work if you keep hammering away at it though because that is what they are doing and more nerfs to appease those that don't want to put any real effort into defeating an encounter are incoming soon, so keep at it I guess. The game is not staged in current time you do not have things such as the internet, wiki and everything at your disposal to learn this information in game. Information like this is gained primarily through questing, talking to NPC's and reading the 'openly' available books.I swear it feels like by GU61 or GU62 they will finally have that window that pop up when you login that says "I want a max level toon, with max AA, all my masters and fabled adorns on end game raid gear" and just a single OK button so they don't have to deal with the endless petitions from droolers saying "I meant to click OK"I don't see why they couldn't just go ahead and add all the books that can be gained from working through the content as well to put in your library. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>So, how did the United States form? Who won World War I? Who was the first King of England? What was the score on last nights game? What are the first 100 numbers of pi?How do you answer any of these questions? Do you just "know" innately, having never been told? Do you travel through time to the American Revolution and experience it firsthand? If you miss the Superbowl, are you doomed to never ever know who won?No... you read about it. In a book. Or a newspaper. Or online.In EQ1 we had these wonderful little newspaper in each home city that kept players up to speed on current events. There was also the longer Story updates that followed the adventures of key NPCs over the course of an expansion. We didn't have to rely on whoever was updating Wiki to keep up with the game's story, we could buy a newspaper in Shar Vahl for a few silver.So lose the snarkiness and can the attitude, Jeff. It goes nowhere with me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The game lore is available through books, interactions with quest NPC's and listening to NPC's talking to each other as I stated. Some of these books can be picked up freely, some are tomes that you have to complete to 'obtain' the info. To have it put into the game where you have to do absolutely nothing to obtain it short of clicking detracts from the intended design. If you wish to rely on third party sources for it then it is buyer beware. Books come in many flavors fiction and non fiction, newspapers print retractions on an almost daily basis and you sound more than intelligent enough to not believe everything you read on the interent.My point is the time that the game represents there was not 'mass media, mass publication etc. Granted there were things that were widely copied, distributed and told and could be obtained from a variety of sources, intimate details though were likely not widely available. There is a lot of lore that is in this game that can ONLY be obtained by doing certain things (in the game no external sources) and it should stay that way, if one cares enough to find out then they can work for it not have it given to them.

Garnaf

04-14-2011, 07:31 PM

<cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Asking for an all access library that has all of the lore of everything is the same as all the people that are asking for everything in here to be nerfed to the point it is trivial to fight it. I guess it will work if you keep hammering away at it though because that is what they are doing and more nerfs to appease those that don't want to put any real effort into defeating an encounter are incoming soon, so keep at it I guess. The game is not staged in current time you do not have things such as the internet, wiki and everything at your disposal to learn this information in game. Information like this is gained primarily through questing, talking to NPC's and reading the 'openly' available books.I swear it feels like by GU61 or GU62 they will finally have that window that pop up when you login that says "I want a max level toon, with max AA, all my masters and fabled adorns on end game raid gear" and just a single OK button so they don't have to deal with the endless petitions from droolers saying "I meant to click OK"I don't see why they couldn't just go ahead and add all the books that can be gained from working through the content as well to put in your library. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>So, how did the United States form? Who won World War I? Who was the first King of England? What was the score on last nights game? What are the first 100 numbers of pi?How do you answer any of these questions? Do you just "know" innately, having never been told? Do you travel through time to the American Revolution and experience it firsthand? If you miss the Superbowl, are you doomed to never ever know who won?No... you read about it. In a book. Or a newspaper. Or online.In EQ1 we had these wonderful little newspaper in each home city that kept players up to speed on current events. There was also the longer Story updates that followed the adventures of key NPCs over the course of an expansion. We didn't have to rely on whoever was updating Wiki to keep up with the game's story, we could buy a newspaper in Shar Vahl for a few silver.So lose the snarkiness and can the attitude, Jeff. It goes nowhere with me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>The game lore is available through books, interactions with quest NPC's and listening to NPC's talking to each other as I stated. Some of these books can be picked up freely, some are tomes that you have to complete to 'obtain' the info. To have it put into the game where you have to do absolutely nothing to obtain it short of clicking detracts from the intended design. If you wish to rely on third party sources for it then it is buyer beware. Books come in many flavors fiction and non fiction, newspapers print retractions on an almost daily basis and you sound more than intelligent enough to not believe everything you read on the interent.My point is the time that the game represents there was not 'mass media, mass publication etc. Granted there were things that were widely copied, distributed and told and could be obtained from a variety of sources, intimate details though were likely not widely available. There is a lot of lore that is in this game that can ONLY be obtained by doing certain things (in the game no external sources) and it should stay that way, if one cares enough to find out then they can work for it not have it given to them.</blockquote>One problem, there are MANY books and NPCs that are storyline important in some way or another and simply DON'T exist on Norrath anymore, or are / were one of a kind. (The book from the plague event comes to mind most readily, and go meet Firiona Vie now, I dare you, oh wait the world event was removed, you can't). How do you suggest we get the information from these now non-existant sources oh he of infinite wisdom?At the very least, an official site that has these kinds of things, or the major storylines from past expansions / adventure packs would provide a reliable way to get this information. Also, someone somewhere has to have writen down what he / she has done so far, so having PAST things that are NO LONGER AVAILABLE be accessable as an in game library would help a lot too.An official source of lore on these matters would also help combat the Tserinna Dracoliche problem outlined above.

Iskandar

04-14-2011, 08:42 PM

<cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>My point is the time that the game represents there was not 'mass media, mass publication etc. Granted there were things that were widely copied, distributed and told and could be obtained from a variety of sources, intimate details though were likely not widely available. There is a lot of lore that is in this game that can ONLY be obtained by doing certain things (in the game no external sources) and it should stay that way, if one cares enough to find out then they can work for it not have it given to them.</blockquote>And my point is that the bulk of the playerbase do not experience most of that lore firsthand, or simply rely on recollections and second-hand summaries, which results in innacuracies that are propagated as factual with increasing frequency. Tsserina is a prime example, and far from unique.This is a lore rich game world, and having the basic game lore and story information available online would in no way detract from the content of the game, especially if it's the backstory lore from EQ1 and EQOA that builds the entire foundation for EQ2's story -- which would be like an entry level history education for a typical Norrathian at this point. Right now there are still players asking why one of the moons is broken.... sure, no guarantee they'll actually "RTFM," but at least there'd be an official and accurate manual for them to read! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />I've run all of the ToFS instances many times already, gotten x2 access on two toons and almost have it on three others, and need only one fight to finish the x2 storyline. Not once has a dracoliche been mentioned so far. Not once.Yet there it is on the Wiki, and being tossed about as canon in multiple threads here (do a search, see for yourself). And the longer it sits there, the more people who see it and reference it, and the more people who take it as fact, because they never saw anything "official" ingame that said otherwise.In fact, most of the NPCs we encounter have little or no backstory at all behind them. Who or what was Xalgoti in ToFS? Who was Captain Garglass in Commonlands before he became an undead? Or Cheiftain Merzog in Fallen Gate? Or Broog the Banished in Sinking Sands? So few of the named NPCs in Norrath are ever explained... they're nothing but a name with a star and some shiny loot. Even most of the dragons have no ingame story to tell us who they were... if I'd never played EQ1, I wouldn't know one from another, nor have any reason to even care. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Would it so totally destroy the game to have a website that provides a little backstory on the mobs we slaughter or a basic overview of the zones we explore? Things our own characters could even go to a library and look up in the history section..."Xalgoti? hmm, I recall that name from my Norrathian History Lessons back at Qeynos High... *flip flip flip* ah, yes, he was the Archduke of Whatnot, and Grand Poobah of Thingamajiggies, a close friend of Hagar the Horrible etc etc etc...."It's history book stuff. There's no reason for it not to be available to the general public.Sure, do the quests and experience it firsthand for the full details, get the inside scoop up close and personal... but no one becomes knowledgeable on a topic without first crackin open a book and reading the basics. And right now our "basics book" is a few threads here and on Wiki, compiled by players, and full of info that may or may not be right. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ranger1017

04-14-2011, 09:20 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha oh wow, a bit of fan fiction that actually fooled the majority of the playerbase into thinking it was actual backstory. It's like the First Fist Of Light all over again, only this time nobody thought about it.</blockquote>That's actually more common than you might think. In EQ1 a lot of the lore was deliberately left very vague - The Tower of Frozen Shadows is actually a good example. There were some tantalizing hints as to the nature of the tower's construction and that there was some relationship between Tserrina and Mayong, and not a whole lot else.The thing is, where there are lore gaps, roleplayers tend to fill them in. There were at least a handful of large, well-organized roleplay guilds in EQ right from the start and I imagine between them wrote hundreds if not thousands of pages of guild-specific backstory. (I remember hearing of at least one guild that wrote from a point of view that they were the only serious adventurers in Norrath, though I don't know how true that actually is.) It's not a long step from that to having someone hear guild or player-written lore second or third hand and reposting it as fact.You saw a similar thing with stories about how certain specific named mobs would spawn, and what you needed to do to get them to pop, when in the vast majority of cases it was a specific placeholder or a randomized timer. (To be fair, sometimes quest mobs *would* have crazy requirements to spawn, like for the Ivy Etched Pants.)

GlitterPaws

04-14-2011, 11:21 PM

The Athenaeum has an incredible amount of EQ2 lore <a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.lorelibrary.com/</a>The Maps of Myrist, an Everquest Atlas has a lot of printed lore if you can find a copy. There used to be a site either by Myrist or some of his guild. I can't find it now.Cusa is a wealth of lore and probably has more links to lore than google!And don't forget Aurelis' book collectors site; Biblio Norrath <a href="http://biblionorrath.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://biblionorrath.com/</a>There used to be some great lore guilds in Everquest and I don't know if there are any specific guilds in EQ2.The fan site librarys are wonderful works of love. If SOE could work with the site owners to develop a central library, wow, what an incredible research world that would be.

denmom

04-14-2011, 11:31 PM

Cusashorn

04-14-2011, 11:42 PM

<cite>Ranger1017 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Haha oh wow, a bit of fan fiction that actually fooled the majority of the playerbase into thinking it was actual backstory. It's like the First Fist Of Light all over again, only this time nobody thought about it.</blockquote>That's actually more common than you might think. In EQ1 a lot of the lore was deliberately left very vague - The Tower of Frozen Shadows is actually a good example. There were some tantalizing hints as to the nature of the tower's construction and that there was some relationship between Tserrina and Mayong, and not a whole lot else.The thing is, where there are lore gaps, roleplayers tend to fill them in. There were at least a handful of large, well-organized roleplay guilds in EQ right from the start and I imagine between them wrote hundreds if not thousands of pages of guild-specific backstory. (I remember hearing of at least one guild that wrote from a point of view that they were the only serious adventurers in Norrath, though I don't know how true that actually is.) It's not a long step from that to having someone hear guild or player-written lore second or third hand and reposting it as fact.You saw a similar thing with stories about how certain specific named mobs would spawn, and what you needed to do to get them to pop, when in the vast majority of cases it was a specific placeholder or a randomized timer. (To be fair, sometimes quest mobs *would* have crazy requirements to spawn, like for the Ivy Etched Pants.)</blockquote>Yeah but what's wierd is that nobody ever caught on to this particular example. Nobody ever spoke up to question where this came from, who wrote it into the wiki, or to double check the validity of this one until now. With most Roleplayer-written lore, there's usually enough of a hint (characters mentions, bad writing, etc) for most people to tell it's not part of the actual story.

RoninSenshi

04-15-2011, 01:20 AM

Quote:"It was not long before he found one who was as obsessed with ambition as him. The Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was his student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a dragon in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all."I checked into this story with the EverQuest1 guys, we even had one of the designers who worked on the zone in EverQuest1 working on the zone with me in EverQuest2. They said the story had never been put into game and they weren't sure where players got the info from. It was later found to have been derived from fan fiction. To be completely honest the original wedding in EverQuest 1 within the chapel floor wasn't even Tserrina's wedding. There was very little backstory done on the zone during that time. So no real retcon to lore just fleshed out the story more in detail with the current form.Pictures from ToFS, EQ1. Notice the Banner.<img src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/frozenshadow-familiar.jpg" width="1024" height="749" />This was right before you got to Tserrina.<img src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/frozenshadow-elven.jpg" width="1024" height="749" />Again, the banner.<img src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/frozenshadow-statue.jpg" width="1024" height="749" />Looks like a Skeleton Dragon to me. Some might say it looks like a Dracoliche. You sure it isn't a ret-con? Oh well.And yeah, I always found that the Wedding done in the Chapel wasn't actually hers, but between one of Mayong's fellows and one of Tserrina's underlings.Also, we're assuming what Mayong was looking for was Tserrina to submit to staying in the tower. Her being stuck in the tower is PUNISHMENT for not being "Pure Tier'dal". She might need to check her family tree, old grandpa might of been into human girls or something.Now, lets think about something here. Mayong currently has Queen Lenya Thex under his thumb. If you want a pure elf bride, considering she was from the Royal Thex line and I'm assuming the Daughter of those decended from the Original Cristanous Thex (The one that was an elf before Innoruuk made her into a darkelf), she's be as pure as it got. Perhaps Mayong has found that no current Darkelf is pure enough, so he's going in a different direction and that's why hes got Lenya. Of course, since having Lenya, he's now got Lybant Vampires, which are better then the lame ones he had before.

Cusashorn

04-15-2011, 01:27 AM

Perhaps that banner is where the story was conceived from.

RoninSenshi

04-15-2011, 01:45 AM

Yeah, maybe. That banner was all over the place in there, but why would they use something like that?

SgtPmpkn

04-15-2011, 10:31 AM

Wonder if one of the future GU's will continue this story. With Tserrina flying off to most likely see Mayong, I cant help but picture a Jerry Springer-esque showdown with herself, Mayong, and Lenya.On a more serious note, it would be nice to see what Mayong has been upto or how he plays into the final stages of Ages End. Last we heard of him, he was searching for Monoliths to help decipher the events of Theer and the void, and going forward to Ages End; we saw him capture Lenya, and have a pet Vamp-Dragon under his control, but very little mention in Sentinel's Fate, other than we sneak into his library and take some records to prepare us for our trials in Velious.What is he specifically doing? Will he interfere against Rallos or Kerafyrm? Will he be there to help move along, or to stop the events of Ages End? Will he be found by Tserrina and what will he do with her?

Gninja

04-15-2011, 11:26 AM

Tserrina was 100% tier'dal.

Cusashorn

04-15-2011, 12:28 PM

I think it's the fact that she turned into a vampire that Mayong dumped her. Turning into a vampire means no longer being 100% natural Tier'Dal.

Gninja

04-15-2011, 01:15 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it's the fact that she turned into a vampire that Mayong dumped her. Turning into a vampire means no longer being 100% natural Tier'Dal.</blockquote>Turning her into a vampire was his goal. What she turned into was something else.

denmom

04-15-2011, 01:33 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it's the fact that she turned into a vampire that Mayong dumped her. Turning into a vampire means no longer being 100% natural Tier'Dal.</blockquote>Turning her into a vampire was his goal. What she turned into was something else.</blockquote>The essence of whatever that creature was that she took into herself for immortality, that is what fubared the turning of her into a proper vampire and made her something else.That's what Mayong was grumping about when he accused her of not being fully Tier'Dal. She had to be not 100%, in his mind, to have the reaction she did. If she were truly Tier'Dal, she'd have had the proper reaction to his blood. I bet he doesn't know about the essence she consumed those years ago, and that she herself forgot about it.That essence, whatever it was, changed her into something he didn't expect. So, to Mayong's mind, she was flawed. And that flaw must be, again to his mind, that she wasn't pure.And in a way, it's true, she wasn't pure. Her own essence was tainted by that other creature's essence. However, that tainting was so passive that even Mayong didn't detect it. After all, she wrote in her journal that nothing happened at all when she consumed it.And if he had detected it, I bet he wouldn't have made her his bride but used her for some other experiment.

Sanction

04-15-2011, 02:02 PM

So it seems to boil down to what essence she attempted to consume and the story might become a lot clearer. An essence to do with immortality is assumed and also something that had no effect on her as Tier'Dal but has unforseen effects when mixed with Mayong's blood.What options did Tserrina have for an immortal essence and is there any mention of any additional creatures in the lore that are not within the tower itself?Just my view on it anyway.

Volerin

04-15-2011, 02:31 PM

Is it possible that she consumed "Dragon" essense of some form?Can't Dragon's be considered Immortal? It would explain the banners, dracoliche, and other references in the Original ToSF.Just a thought.....

Cusashorn

04-15-2011, 03:22 PM

<cite>Volerin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is it possible that she consumed "Dragon" essense of some form?Can't Dragon's be considered Immortal? It would explain the banners, dracoliche, and other references in the Original ToSF.Just a thought.....</blockquote>Dragons are immortal in the sense that they can't die of old age, so it's possible.

RoninSenshi

04-15-2011, 04:20 PM

I havent seen her journal yet. I'm kinda slacking in this expantion.So, as per the Devs she was 100% Tier'dal, Mayong tried to turn her into a Vampire, but she turned into something else that wasn't a Vampire. This made Mayong fall out of love, quicky.Can anyone post her journal so we can see this essence that she consumed, which maybe had a hand in transforming her into whatever it was that made Mayong consider her a failure and leave the tower?

Wilin

04-16-2011, 12:34 AM

I pointed it out before, but don't forget that shadowmen used to guard her tower in EQ1. Might that be related to the essence that she consumed?I'm really hoping we can tie it back to the void just for Cusa. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Edit:Varsoon was chasing Immortality as well...Maybe upon discovering the essence in Tserrina, this was the event that triggered Mayong's pursuit of the void timeline?Muwahaha! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cusashorn

04-16-2011, 01:58 AM

Invisible monsters =/= Shadow Men. I know there were invisible "Shadowmen" mobs guarding the outside of her tower, but if you follow that angle, then every enchanter in the game summoned a shadowman as a pet, so are they all connected to the void?

Frain

04-16-2011, 12:00 PM

from pre-dov event book, dunno which one:Once again, I must make note of my findings regarding Tserrina. After pondering and researching, I believe that something was different about her blood itself. I recall there being a taste to it, something that I did not recognize. I brushed this off at first as some manner of contamination, that perhaps her dabbling in necromantic or demonic arts had tainted her blood. It seems I should have not been so quick to dismiss that fact. If indeed her blood was impure, or mixed somehow, then whatever it was that she had infused in her blood was likely the cause of the transformation. I have a few theories as to what this could be, but the truth of the matter is that any discovery I make now is largely moot in regards to her. She is locked in the tower now, and will rot with time. She is no longer my concern, although I believe that I can apply the lessons I’ve learned to a similar experiment. I am interested in how a mixture like this might apply to another stock of blood, such as dragon’s blood. The implications of this are quite intriguing. I will, however, make sure and look for the same sort of tells, should I choose to take up another bride as such. I do not want to waste more time and resources on another failed venture such as that again. It’s clear to me that we must locate the notes of Tserrina Sly’Tor as well. She has the other half of the information that Mayong was missing. If we can recover that, then I believe that we can combine the two pieces of research to accomplish our goal of strengthening our bloodline. Send a thrall into the library, and recover the notes of Tserrina.Do not fail.Someone pointed out this dialogue earlier that implies that the dracolich story could be true but could also be false as it gave three stories of one event. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=50103" target="_blank">this</a>[Tue Nov 08 15:26:46 2005] You say, 'who feared retribution'[Tue Nov 08 15:26:47 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:26:47 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'This is the generally accepted historical account of how Tserrina and Mayong had their falling out. She presented the dracoliche as a gift to him on their wedding night. Fearing that he would share the responsibility for its creation he left her at the altar. Tserrina was furious. She slew her entire wedding party, destroyed any signs of her betrothed, and now sulks in the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation, but not terribly creative on your part, Lluianae. I was attempting to demonstrate how to rewrite history and you simply let events stand as they were. Are you certain you don't wish to change your mind?' [Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] You say, 'glimpse into the future?'[Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'Well put, Lluianae. Though Mayong wished to share his power with another, he had seen the future. It was only a matter of time before Tserrina would attempt to slay him and usurp his position. The loss of trust was tangible. Tserrina was understandably hurt and took her leave. Mayong held no ill will toward her and allowed her to depart and live a separate life within the icy confines of the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation. Perhaps untrue, but that does not matter. History is a point of view, not a fact, and you just twisted it to your whim. The history books shall be rewritten as you commanded, Lluianae, and THAT is true power.'[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] You say, 'killed her ability to love'[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'Well put, Lluianae. Mayong and Tserrina were madly in love. He gifted her with immortality by making her into a vampire but the transformation had an unexpected side effect. It killed Tserrina's feelings. She was no longer capable of loving anything. Mayong tried desperately to rekindle her emotions but was unsuccessful. He reluctantly allowed her the freedom to depart and live a separate life within the icy confines of the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation. Perhaps untrue, but that does not matter. History is a point of view, not a fact, and you just twisted it to your whim. The history books shall be rewritten as you commanded, Lluianae, and THAT is true power.' '

Frain

04-16-2011, 12:11 PM

If mayong created something he didnt like he would just have killed her. He was the demi-god of blood once after all. But he didnt kill her, he stacked her somewhere for later use just like zarrakon. Maybe he placed her outside the coast of velious just to have some power there if needed in the future.I doubt a person like mayong would marry just about anyone. From what i know he never tried to marry someone else. Maybe he was aware of the soul tserrina managed to trap inside her and he wanted to get his hands on the new container. When she drank his blood the container started leaking so he put it in a plastic bag and hid it in the forest..

Cusashorn

04-16-2011, 12:49 PM

<cite>Naxus@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>If mayong created something he didnt like he would just have killed her. He was the demi-god of blood once after all. But he didnt kill her, he stacked her somewhere for later use just like zarrakon. Maybe he placed her outside the coast of velious just to have some power there if needed in the future.I doubt a person like mayong would marry just about anyone. From what i know he never tried to marry someone else. Maybe he was aware of the soul tserrina managed to trap inside her and he wanted to get his hands on the new container. When she drank his blood the container started leaking so he put it in a plastic bag and hid it in the forest..</blockquote>Just to point out, in the EQ2 continuity, Mayong obtained godhood somehow, but we don't know what, how, or of what influence, so calling him the Demi-God of Blood as he was in EQlive post-time skip isn't accurate.

Frain

04-17-2011, 09:54 AM

Never played any of the other eq games and the timeline split is awlays confusing=(

Cusashorn

04-17-2011, 12:29 PM

Yeah, all we know is he obtained godhood, spent the 500 years in the Plane of Hate, and gave it up because he was bored.

RoninSenshi

04-18-2011, 12:11 AM

WAT.So I got Tserrina's Journal today. As I read it I came upon some things that did not make sense, namely this entry<img src="http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1231/tordiaryconflict.jpg" />This implies that Tserrina did not know that she had been stood up yet. HOWEVER, from Page 1 of this thread that I posted its very clear that she knew that he was bouncing on her.<img src="http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3932/tserrinasyltorreason.jpg" width="492" height="257" />Here is a picutre of the two of them talking, assuming this is from Tserrina's memories or a recall of the past or something. This is what I've taken how the break up happened, face to face at the Altar:<img src="http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8681/corruptedtserrina.jpg" />Not the best picture, but that's clearly Mayong there. Note my target, and that's what mayong always has. There they are, and this is where the diaolauge comes from where Mayong straight up tells her that maybe its time to start thinking about seeing other people, not this "Oh, I gotta go check my mail in Neriak BRB." line that the journal tells us that Mayong gave her. BTW, notice that in this picture Tserrina is very pale and sickly looking, after drinking Mayong's blood. However, the Tserrina you fight looks like this:<img src="http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4426/tserrinasyltor.jpg" />A healthy dark blue. Maybe she's gotten over whatever made her sick, or it was a temporary thing, but she looks much better now. It could be that Mayong's blood was some kind of litmus test for the kind of thing he was looking to create out of Tserrina, and she failed hard.

Cusashorn

04-18-2011, 12:23 AM

I see a difference in lighting between those two pictures.

Rezikai

04-18-2011, 03:16 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see a difference in lighting between those two pictures.</blockquote>aye, the 1st one is from the "brides scorn" 5th floor chapel area of the Tower where players on that part of the quest see them converse Tserrina not being true Teir'Dal and he leaves her.the 2nd is from the final room in the Tower where she flies around as an epic x2 mob and we fight her along side of the traitor vampire architecht that helps us fight against her until she uses her powers to turn him against us during the fight.Question..I was never well versed in the eq1 lore of TOFS, so i always assumed the Dracholiche tale to be true. Now it seems it isnt. If this is the case and the wedding there was to be of 2 of the underlings for Mayong and Tserrian who were the underlings to be married?

SgtPmpkn

04-18-2011, 09:32 AM

We don't know the exact timeline of when Tserrina wrote in her diary, to when Mayong comes and lets who know his intentions of leaving her.For all purposes, he could have left for some business, she wrote in her diary that she's been waiting forever, then he returns to finish the job and let her know he wont be marrying her. Perhaps he needed some time to think, or research what had happened to her after drinking some of his blood.

Gninja

04-18-2011, 01:30 PM

The entry in the journal took place before the scene in the Chapel.

PokemonLuVer

04-18-2011, 03:56 PM

Throughout all of Eq1 and Eq2 thier is always a link to Mayong, and in many regards thier are more questions than answers. If Mayong is infact the last survivor of the Ydal which presumably was the first or one of the first sentient races on Norrath after the seeding by Veeshan, then he was presumably privy to the actual Age's End Prophesy when the Shissar made it. It seems that Tserrina's work with "souls" and power removal is playing a part in the prophesy. Aside from that perhaps Mayong had hoped through Tserrina's lineage thier may have been enough Ydal that he could creat another Vampire like himself? Presuming they intermixed with Innoruks Teir'dal. We know that D'morte bloodline was created through the use of the Ewer and that D'morte gave the ewer to the Godking, which brings us back too the Ages End Prophesy. Ie. Rohen Theer trapped in the void. But we still don't know how Mayong became a vampire. So thier are connections but with so many tattered pieces of lore shiffting about it is diffcult to see how they all inter relate. I just read the zam interview with Vhalen again, I wish I could get at those lore books he left.

Anaogi

04-18-2011, 03:59 PM

I'm getting a strong suspicion we're facing that 'unreliable narrator' issue here as well. Do we know what Mayong's actual intent was? Maybe he strung her along for the purpose of his experiment--which backfired, resulting in excuses and a hasty retreat...in any event, Age's (Ages'?) End just acquired a new wild card. (Or did it...?)Oh, and I'm sending you my aspirin bills, Gninja, for adding another twist to my personal Mayong/Ydal/Ewer migraine (Now Mayont/Ydal/Ewer/Tserrina, or MYET from now on)...

SgtPmpkn

04-18-2011, 04:05 PM

I agree, the more we know, the more questions arise. But I wish and humbly ask the Devs, for some of the past expansions, would it be possible to release some sort of lore or explanation to characters we meet/face?For example, Zarrakon. We can determine he is a mix between dragon and vampire, and is controlled by Mayong. How was he created? What purpose does he have? Why does Mayong have him, knowing his hate for the dragonkind?I have no issues with speculating and working through current content Lore, just wish after an amount of time, past Lore would be explained and finalized for us, so that very little questions remain.Back on topic: Will there be any continuation of the story of Tserrina and Mayong in the coming GU? We know we will be pressing on with the story of Rallos Zek and his march towards Kerafyrm. If the rest of the story of Mayong/Tserrina is on hold, then it will satisfy us to focus on the current content and try to piece together more.

Anaogi

04-18-2011, 04:10 PM

Agreed--Mayong has been quiet far too long. The advent of the Freeblood must have gotten his attention by now; add that to Tserrina, and I suspect his next move in the Ages End chess game may be close at hand...even if it's a forced one he didn't intend...

PokemonLuVer

04-18-2011, 04:11 PM

Haveing just rereat "the Secret of the Stone" converstaion with Mayong, he mentions that he will meet us again beyond "the Mirror of Destiny". A possible ToFS connection?

Anaogi

04-18-2011, 04:20 PM

Wait...dark elves, and transformations regarding odd wings...betrayals...vengeance...Cristanos, the Arasai, and Ulkorruuk...I wonder...

Mixxit

04-21-2011, 04:45 AM

Just to chip in here since I saw someone said the tower was constructed to keep her imprisoned:-----------------Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘Welcome to Kejek friend. I am the seer of this village for I have been gifted by the spirits with an affinity for their realm. The barrier between the spirit and physical realms is thin in these lands. The heretics know this and must be prevented from committing [atrocities] similar to those that have been committed in the past.’Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘Long ago when our noble ancestors the Vah Shir were destroyed by an explosion that devastated the warring Heretic and Erudin armies an evil creature by the name of Tserrina Syl’Tor was attracted to the sudden abundance of new spirits in these lands. Tserrina was capable of capturing these spirits before they were able to cross over beyond the mortal realm and through her dark magic transformed them into a [crystalline shadow] substance.”);Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘The crystalline shadow substance was used as building blocks for Tserrina’s tower on an Island near the frozen lands to the south as well as fashioned into armor and weapons for her mindless servants. Emylie Steelclaws has developed a means to purify the armor and weapons using the special properties of our Kejek forge and a smithy hammer blessed by the Titan Spirits. The purifying process transfers the imprisoned spirits into [soul orbs]. Ask Emylie about the purification process.”);------------------And confirmed again in the Dark Truth Vol VII Issue IIDanak Dhorentath, the famed Iksar loyal to none other than Venril Sathir, has taken it upon himself to seek outside assistance in fending off the defenders of Balance and all that is holy, good, righteous, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Having still in his possession the Lifeguide, a powerful artifact rumored to have been given to Firiona Vie by Tunare herself, this Iksar fanatic and one of his henchmen lackeys, a Teir’Dal wizard named Vahlai Ka Izal, have apparently employed the aid of Tserrina Syl Tor. A most mysterious and quite ancient being who inhabits the Tower of Frozen Shadow, Tserrina is known to hold quite a collection of souls — namely those pitiable unfortunates who fell when the Erudin loyals so ingeniously created what is now known as The Hole.------------------------Also her pool of blood in the tower was used during the broken skull events (Fortifying Innouruk's Realm V)Tserrina Syl’Tor granted them the usage of a blood pool in her Tower of Frozen Shadow for the ritual but did not guarantee their safe passage

Rainmare

04-21-2011, 04:56 AM

if this is canon...since it's from eq1 at some point it seems...maybe the essence she tried was one of those mentioned 'titan spirits'?

Mixxit

04-21-2011, 05:02 AM

the spirits she harvested were the dead erudites due to the war, rather than the titan spirits, which i'm assuming are the spirit gods the worship (i believe)

Rainmare

04-21-2011, 11:13 PM

yes, that's for the Tower and the armor...but I'm wondering about the essence she used to attempt immortality that fubared Mayong's attempt to 'turn' her.ghosts can be destroyed. they can be torn asunder and such. so I doubt she used that as her experiment. but the 'titan' sporot sounds like something that might.

Mixxit

04-22-2011, 03:20 AM

Hmm well we know from Miragul's torn parchments that she definately experimented on scarecrows<div>"..I have seen on all of Norrath. She was completely under the thrall of Mayong. But, I found her research on confining a soul within a golem of straw intriguing."Also, she has wings so that leads me to think flying creature of sorts, aviak, drake, maybe the soul of the dragon she created the dracholiche from? That certainly would upset Mayong</div>

Aceshot

04-22-2011, 04:54 AM

There was no dracolich, that was fan fic.

Rainmare

04-22-2011, 09:49 AM

It'd be nice if there was, cause if that was the thing she tried...and if she in essence became a 'living phylactery' for it, that mighta been something to consider as her 'quirk' that fubared the turning process.

Siruti

04-23-2011, 12:13 AM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Few facts for you guys to chew on...Is Tserrina technically a vampire? She is from drinking Mayong's blood but she is also something else and this was due to the above mentioned experiments she conducted on herself. She is not and never was immortal. The combonation of the vampire traits and what she did to herself before that time created something unique in Norrath.</blockquote>A) What is the something else?B) Did the lingering souls on Odus spark some question as to how she could prevent her own soul from leaving norrathC) Is she somehow anchored to the tower in a similar fashion as the souls temporarily lingering in odusD) Is she already dead, has she extracted her own soul and placed it into another thingE) Why does she have wingsF) What interesting combinations and effects could a soulless vampire have - Or in reverse, if she is 100% only soul and no longer living, what unusual effects would becoming a vampire haveG) If souls can be used to make physical things, such as the materials to make a tower - can the reverse occur and can physical things be used to create a soulH) Why do souls linger when there are alot of them like the war on Odus - is that the reason for using the material to make the tower and is this why she would deteriorate faster outside the towerI) Why was she even interested in souls to begin with

Cusashorn

04-23-2011, 12:30 AM

You really expect to get answers for any of those questions? .... Well so do we. I'd like to know as well. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Meirril

04-23-2011, 06:51 AM

<cite>Mixxit@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just to chip in here since I saw someone said the tower was constructed to keep her imprisoned:-----------------Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘Welcome to Kejek friend. I am the seer of this village for I have been gifted by the spirits with an affinity for their realm. The barrier between the spirit and physical realms is thin in these lands. The heretics know this and must be prevented from committing [atrocities] similar to those that have been committed in the past.’Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘Long ago when our noble ancestors the Vah Shir were destroyed by an explosion that devastated the warring Heretic and Erudin armies an evil creature by the name of Tserrina Syl’Tor was attracted to the sudden abundance of new spirits in these lands. Tserrina was capable of capturing these spirits before they were able to cross over beyond the mortal realm and through her dark magic transformed them into a [crystalline shadow] substance.”);Saemey Wirewhisker says ‘The crystalline shadow substance was used as building blocks for Tserrina’s tower on an Island near the frozen lands to the south as well as fashioned into armor and weapons for her mindless servants. Emylie Steelclaws has developed a means to purify the armor and weapons using the special properties of our Kejek forge and a smithy hammer blessed by the Titan Spirits. The purifying process transfers the imprisoned spirits into [soul orbs]. Ask Emylie about the purification process.”);------------------And confirmed again in the Dark Truth Vol VII Issue IIDanak Dhorentath, the famed Iksar loyal to none other than Venril Sathir, has taken it upon himself to seek outside assistance in fending off the defenders of Balance and all that is holy, good, righteous, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Having still in his possession the Lifeguide, a powerful artifact rumored to have been given to Firiona Vie by Tunare herself, this Iksar fanatic and one of his henchmen lackeys, a Teir’Dal wizard named Vahlai Ka Izal, have apparently employed the aid of Tserrina Syl Tor. A most mysterious and quite ancient being who inhabits the Tower of Frozen Shadow, Tserrina is known to hold quite a collection of souls — namely those pitiable unfortunates who fell when the Erudin loyals so ingeniously created what is now known as The Hole.------------------------Also her pool of blood in the tower was used during the broken skull events (Fortifying Innouruk's Realm V)Tserrina Syl’Tor granted them the usage of a blood pool in her Tower of Frozen Shadow for the ritual but did not guarantee their safe passage</blockquote>I'm mostly certain the first part is after the split, the second part is definately after the split. I'm 90% sure none of this has anything to do with EQ2 Lore.

Meirril

04-23-2011, 07:08 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>It'd be nice if there was, cause if that was the thing she tried...and if she in essence became a 'living phylactery' for it, that mighta been something to consider as her 'quirk' that fubared the turning process.</blockquote>There is/was a Dracolich in EQ1, just like the one in EQ2. It was a creation of Cazic Thule and resides on the Plane (Shard) of Fear. Outside of that a few more undead dragons exist but none of them are refered to as a lich. Zlandacar could be said to be a lich, but could also be said to be a ghoul as his unnatural undead life seems to be extended by the consumption of dragon corpses.Several dragons exists as ghosts. Some ghosts are able to manifest in a way they can fight, others are just apperitions. One dragon had its spiritless body animated to guard Kerafyrm's secrets in Deathtoll. There is of course Mayong's dragon vampire. I can certainly see him attempting to dominate a dragon via his blood and if that fails containing the experiment until such time as he can destroy it completely (similarly to what he did to Tserrina actually).As for what Tserrina actualy consumed, lets look at immortal races that exist in EQ1. Who knows how long a dragon can exist? I doubt a dragon would be used simply because they are too powerful for an experiment when there are less powerful and more easily controlable immortals around.How long can a Djinn live? How long does an Efritti live? Shadowmen are simply not understood well enough to tell what their lifespan could be. Elementals might also be canidates for experimentation but their immortality seems more dependent on their unliving bodies than something about their very nature.There are imps in EQ1. They exist in the Temple of Ro, and yet no explination of where they come from is given. Very few creatures have wings similar to Tserrina but other than the color...they are very similar. Imps seem as close to demons as you have in EQ1. It is possible that she worked with Najena or other Teir'dal that studdied in Lavastorm and came acrost the imps and studdied their nature and properties. Draining blood and the spirits of imps might actually be a possible path to immortality and something that would of been much easier than subduing a Dragon of a Djinn.EQ2 imps are a bit less similar in wings, but the EQ1 imps looked more like small Nightbloods with bat wings.As for Everling...doesn't the entire Everling story start in the 500 years after EQ1 but before the major cataclysms?

Rainmare

04-23-2011, 03:29 PM

<cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Few facts for you guys to chew on...Is Tserrina technically a vampire? She is from drinking Mayong's blood but she is also something else and this was due to the above mentioned experiments she conducted on herself. She is not and never was immortal. The combonation of the vampire traits and what she did to herself before that time created something unique in Norrath.</blockquote>A) What is the something else?B) Did the lingering souls on Odus spark some question as to how she could prevent her own soul from leaving norrathC) Is she somehow anchored to the tower in a similar fashion as the souls temporarily lingering in odusD) Is she already dead, has she extracted her own soul and placed it into another thingE) Why does she have wingsF) What interesting combinations and effects could a soulless vampire have - Or in reverse, if she is 100% only soul and no longer living, what unusual effects would becoming a vampire haveG) If souls can be used to make physical things, such as the materials to make a tower - can the reverse occur and can physical things be used to create a soulH) Why do souls linger when there are alot of them like the war on Odus - is that the reason for using the material to make the tower and is this why she would deteriorate faster outside the towerI) Why was she even interested in souls to begin with</blockquote>A) we don't know....yet.B) probably not. Tserrina I think was a Necromancer. Souls are probably just part of that study. the only other thing i think she may have been was an Enchanter...but living in Neriak with the Lodge nearby she probably knows enough about the dark art to get a jist of what souls can do/be used for.C) No. she's not 'anchored' to the Tower. from information given by Gninja and from the x2 Tower instance, Mayong cursed her, that if she left the tower she'd physically deteriorate...and the longer she's out, the faster it happens. In fact, at the end of the X2, rather then killing her, you break/remove her curse, and she leaves the tower on her own to settle some unfinished buisness, presumably with Mayong.D) probably not...she maybe 'undead' in a vampiric sense, but I bet she still has a soul...prolly patchworked with whatever essence she used to attempt immortality.E) Unknown....maybe a quirk of the turning process, or maybe an effect of whatever she used to attempt immortality.F) In EQ2...I don't think there is a 'soulless' vampire...nor have we seen a 'solid' body that is strictly soul, either. ( usually souls are quite readily translucent in EQ2) but who knows on this one.G) I'm going to guess on this one as a no. turning a soul into a brick or armor is one thing, trying to create a complex thing like a soul is probaly quite another. But I imagine if it could be done, it's only be able to be done by the most powerful necromancers..and probably be a VERY well guarded secret.H) the lingering souls probably has more to do with emotion tethers, or magical constraints. the Erudite civil war was a VERY bitter conflict. and imagine the magical forces unleashed to create the Hole. I'm sure that bitterness/anger/hate and the massive magical energies probably did most of the 'capturing' of the souls there.I) Anyone attempting Immortality is concerned with souls. either for the purpose of creating a proper Phylactery, or in Tserrina's case, looking to steal the soul of something to capture it's immortality. and of course at the time of her studies in this area, immortality through Vampirism wasn't available.though I have a related question here too. we have a few examples of elves that appear to either A) able live for several millenia or B) are Timeless. if this is the case, what kind of immortality would one really want to acquire? if elves can't die of age...was she looking to become immune to say, disease? or poison? was she trying for a physical toughness to make her nigh unkillable to weapons/magic?like Teren of Teren's Grasp...he was the leader of the FV outpost in Eq1, some 500 years ago. and in EQ1, he gave the definate impression that he was a veteran soldier. probably just past or at his prime. so Teren is over 500. the only Elizerain we have mention of being a royal was the Queen of Felwithe some 3k years ago. Leyna's mother is also elizerain, both had visions of the future...there's too many similarities to think that the elizerain from the Ethernaughts isn't the same one that we know died only recently due to grief at the loss of her husband in the War of the Fay. so she was/probably was at least 3500.Cristanos seems to be the same one from the origins of the Tier'dal...that puts her plenty high up in age too. and she's nto showing any indication that she's going to kick the bucket or is getting 'old'. possessed maybe, but not old.which again has me wondering. lets say elves are not timeless...but live for a VERY long time. Tserrina's actions then seem to be...almost rushed. impatient. hardly the actions of a Teir'dal. especially given the cutthroat nature of Neriak politics and guild prestige/standing.So maybe, Elves are Timeless. Age can't kill them. but weapons can, magic can, disease adn poison can. you still keep the 'vampiric' immortality in the manner that older vampires are notoriously difficult to slay, and they are untouched by disease or poisons.So let use this theory. Tserrina was looking to gain immortality by limiting/erasing her weaknesses. what are the big dangers in Neriak. dagger in your back? yep. being poisoned, afflicted with magical disease? probably. which is the most dangerous. probably being poisoned/afflicted with disease. so she does her studies, attempts to merge her essence with something that will make her immune to poison/disease. doesn't seem to cause a physical change.Mayong attempts to turn her. the turning process works much like a disease or a poison does. it's very much, to quote the blade movies, a 'cancer with a purpose'. whatever essence she used to try to make her immune conflicts with the vampiric blood, and causes the strange mutation/the 'oopsie' in her turning process. So she's not a Teir'dal anymore...but she's not a Vampire, either. she's something new.just my crackpot theory. and probably completely wrong but what the heck I like it all the same <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rezikai

04-23-2011, 06:01 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite>So maybe, Elves are Timeless. Age can't kill them.just my crackpot theory. and probably completely wrong but what the heck I like it all the same <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>This is something muddied. Elves i think can die of age.. as i believe Elizeran did. But her body when found in the PnP books is inside a crystal casket that people can see her dead body inside it still blonde haired and youthful looks to her face.I think elves do age... I think they just dont physically show it. I think they can die of old age... but I think there is a way many of them can survive for either great extended periods of time as Vhalen pointed out when he described "lifespans" of races.Becoming Immortal would have some ramifications the gods would take ill to i think.

Siruti

04-23-2011, 06:14 PM

Hey I didn't write that!

BKS Yoda

04-24-2011, 10:20 AM

Is it possible that the item Tserrina used to alter her self prior to Mayong turning her into a vampire was the claw of veeshan that we grab in the ascent instance? The witchdoctor guy as he is using the claw says that the energy beam he is using it for atm is nothing compaired to what it is truely capable of.And seeing as that it was once a part of veeshan and she created the dragons, who i believe are ageless. Then maybe Tserrina found the claw and thought that if she could harness its essence she to could become ageless(immortal) with it. Which could explain Mayongs sudden disintrest in her no longer being a pure Teir'Dal because she could now possibly be in some way tainted by the essence or something of a dragon. An example of this taint could be her wings and inability to be controlled (dragons are often said to be very high minded and stubbron).Most likely none of this will be right in away but figured what the hell <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Siruti

04-24-2011, 03:01 PM

I dug out the crystal claw of veeshan event quest a few years back and posted them in a forum lemme see if its still there------The Crystal Claw of Veeshan (GM Events)The Song of Sainy DragonfriendSainy says, 'I shall now sing this song of great import'Sainy strums her lute.From the world's core, the rock children roseShielded from wurms eyes by dirt and stoneWith gnarled hands and broken bonesThey carved their place into Veeshan's homeSoon after, the woodlands and deserts and swampsAll nurtured life planted, by interloping GodsVeeshan left her children, in peaks carved by her clawsTurned her back on Norrath, and her fellow God's lawsThe Crystalline Dragon content in her lairSealed off the Sky and still slumbers thereSome dragons went mad, apart from their queenOthers took charge and formed a wurm RingThe rebels were hunted and sent from the peaksTo dwell in the lands inhabited by the weakOne of these rebels, a lady white as snowSwept up a shard of a nature unknownAs years dragged on one by one the wurms fellInto a deep slumber from what no one could tellTheir magic had faded, because of the Shard?Or perhaps from the magic they call Veeshan's VeilNow a new verse to this legend I'll shareIn regards to the Sky and what is happening thereVeeshan still slumbers, the veil has worn thinThe Wurm Queens neglect wakes her children againSainy's song ends.Sainy says, 'My song is done, but I will warn you to heed the words of my verse, for they speak the truth.'Sainy says, 'Mortals now visit where Veeshan slumbers, and only dragons once dwelled, but the door to Sky is not a one way portal.'Sainy says, 'There is much to learn from the great Wurms and much to fear'A drake says, 'Screech !'Sainy says, 'I must travel further, to spread my song to others'Sainy says, 'Come my drake friend'Sainy says, 'Let us move on'Sainy bows.The Veil of VeeshanSainy hums a tune to herself, but all you can make out are names of the Gods here and there.A drake nuzzles against Sainy's shoulder.Sainy says, 'I thank you all for coming. Please, do everything you can to get as many people here as possible. It is very important that as many people hear my message as possible.'A drake chirps happily at Sainy.Sainy says, 'I am Sainy Dragonfriend, messenger of the great Ring of Scale. A pleasure to meet you.'Sainy bows.Sainy says, 'Friends! I am about to tell my tale.'Sainy says, 'First, let me thank you for coming. Many people doubt the seriousness of the matter at hand.'Sainy says, 'Now, make yourselves comfortable, as I tell you The Tale of Veeshan's Veil .'A drake screeches happily.A drake perches on Sainy's shoulder.Sainy says, From the world's core, the rock children rose. Shielded from wurms eyes by dirt and stone.'With gnarled hands and broken bones, They carved their place into Veeshan's Home.'Soon after, the woodlands and deserts and swamps, All nurtured life planted by interloping Gods.'Veeshan left her children, in peaks carved by her claws , Turned her back on Norrath, and her fellow Gods laws.'A drake nips at Sainy's earring.The Crystalline Dragon content in her lair, Sealed off the Sky and still slumbers there.'Some dragons wend mad, apart from their queen, Others took charge and formed a wurm Ring.'The rebels were hunted and sent from the peaks, To dwell in the lands inhabited by the weak.'One of these rebels, a lady as white as snow, Swept up a shard of a nature unknown.'As years dragged on one by one, the wurms fell, Into a deep slumber from what no one could tell,'Their Magic had faded, because of the shard? Or perhaps from the magic they call Veeshans Veil.'Now a new verse to this legend I'll share, In regards to the Sky and what is happening there.'Veeshan still slumbers, the veil has worn thin, The Wurm Queen neglect wakes her children again.'A drake flutters around.Sainy bows.Sainy says, 'My song is done, but I will warn you to heed the words of my verse, for they speak the truth.'Sainy says, Mortals now visit where Veeshan slumbers, and only dragons once dwelled, but the door to the Sky is not a one way portal. There is much to learn from the Great Wurms and much to fear .'Sainy nods at A drake.A drake chirps at Sainy.A drake says, 'Screeeech.'Then the bardess arose from her seat and made her way for the spires...Sainy's song ends.Sainy's song ends.A drake chirps.There was an eerie mist as she entered the spires, then silence, and she was gone...Sometime later did the agents of Mistmoore stumble into a troublesome member of the League of Antonica Bards that forewarned of the events coming to pass. The dreaded Mayong Mistmoore tormented the bard with his family whom he had imprisoned within the dungeons of Castle Mistmoore. The Minions of Mayong Mistmoore (which included Khasra) watched with glee of the interrogation by their master. It was discerned from the bard, the waning of The Veil and use of the Crystal Claw of Veeshan by the Ring of Scale to destroy what remained of it. The whereabouts of that poor bard and his family are yet unknown...even and until this very day.It was then the awakening began. Mayong Mistmoore came across a wounded dragon which had been assailed upon by rangers. From the dragon Mistmoore discovered that Lady Vox when banished from the Ring of Scale for trying to make a second Kerafyrm (The Sleeper) with her mate Lord Nagafen, had taken with her the Crystal Claw of Veeshan.The master vampire along with his retainer Lord Galendore then made their way to Dagnor's Cauldron to seek out an agent of Carson McCabe, Kivgor Illbriar (After this event there were faction hits in High Pass Hold that went up for the Ring of Scale when fighting the people of McCabe). Upon entering the Cauldron Lord Galendore aquired the services of their ally, and informed him of his need. To this day as a result of those events stands a dwarven paladin on that same isle within the Cauldron that is allied to the Ring of Scale (faction hits).Found in a shop of High Pass Hold. A memory of Carson McCabe and his involvements of affairs concerning the Crystal Claw of Veeshan.At the events transpired within the Cauldron, Mayong Mistmoore awarded the most helpful of mortals that had assisted Lord Galendore in the finding of Kivgor Illbriar. Lord Galendore gave to them his Runed Bolster Belt and Mayong Mistmoore a potion that transformed them into "Eternity's Knight"; a vampire thrall of the lord of the damned.-------------------Tale of Events from Eternity's Knight (GM Event Log)The telling of events from Steamfront Mountains to Dagnor's CauldronA number of dragons then appear within the hills outside the city of Qeynos and assumed mortal form. One of their number being a blue drake named Drakel took the form of a high elf, Lady Zavo Zatanov. They gather a band of adventurers to escort them to lair of Lady Vox, who is found howling in rage over the theft of the shard from Veeshans claw; left from when Veeshan struck the world in its creation.These dragons now in mortal form from the Ring of Scale confront Carson McCabe's agent and is felled by their hands, attaining the Crystal Claw of Veeshan. Leaving the ruins of Permafrost Keep they run into the lackeys of Mayong Mistmoore that had been sent to escort Kivgor Illbriar back to the halls of Castle Mistmoore. A battle ensues between the dragons and their adventurous allies against the agents of Mistmoore who are driven off, with Lord Galendore left slain. At the commencement of their victory they are asked to aid them in a ceremony that would be performed within the confines of the Rathe Mountains.At the Rathe Mountains the members of the Ring of Scale that are present begin preparations for their ceremony that will forever rend the veil, and awaken dragons all across the face of Norrath from their slumber. However, before the ceremony can even take place Mayong Mistmoore arrives confronting the dragons and their allies.Three of the dragons who had now assumed their true form are slain before the gathered adventurers can drive Mayong from the Mountain Passes. With the ceremony now in ruin Lady Zavo asks for a volunteer to sacrifice himself and keep the Crystal Claw of Veeshan in safe keeping, who was then dubbed "The Scaled Claw".

Siruti

04-24-2011, 03:10 PM

After the above, Plane of Sky is opened as some of you will remember - (kinda like a GU before Kunark)Around this time the first fist of light began their propagander campaign! So check and double check sources if you are using any of it as a lead

Meirril

04-25-2011, 08:02 AM

<cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dug out the crystal claw of veeshan event quest a few years back and posted them in a forum lemme see if its still there------The Crystal Claw of Veeshan (GM Events)The Song of Sainy Dragonfriend</blockquote>Its a great story, but what does Lore from EQ1 AFTER the time split have to do with EQ2?

Meirril

04-25-2011, 08:10 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>though I have a related question here too. we have a few examples of elves that appear to either A) able live for several millenia or B) are Timeless. if this is the case, what kind of immortality would one really want to acquire? if elves can't die of age...was she looking to become immune to say, disease? or poison? was she trying for a physical toughness to make her nigh unkillable to weapons/magic?like Teren of Teren's Grasp...he was the leader of the FV outpost in Eq1, some 500 years ago. and in EQ1, he gave the definate impression that he was a veteran soldier. probably just past or at his prime. so Teren is over 500. the only Elizerain we have mention of being a royal was the Queen of Felwithe some 3k years ago. Leyna's mother is also elizerain, both had visions of the future...there's too many similarities to think that the elizerain from the Ethernaughts isn't the same one that we know died only recently due to grief at the loss of her husband in the War of the Fay. so she was/probably was at least 3500.Cristanos seems to be the same one from the origins of the Tier'dal...that puts her plenty high up in age too. and she's nto showing any indication that she's going to kick the bucket or is getting 'old'. possessed maybe, but not old.</blockquote>The Queen Cristanos Thex on the Nerriak throne now isn't the origional. Read the obelisks in Fallen Gate and you'll see the names of a succession of Kings and Queens. The current queen took the name Cristanos to help legitimize her rule just like the last king took Terris's name. Though the current queen has been there a long time.Teren was a young elf who wasn't the leader of the Firona Vie outpost, he was just one of the guards. He managed to survive and pull together the survivors from FV and the Overthere outposts. Elves do seem to have long lives so he's probably reaching either his prime or just after his prime now.If you check the hollow tree house just outside of New Tunaria you'll meet a very old Fier'dal enchanter who is nearing the end of his life. Old age hasn't been kind to him. Yes elves can die of old age. Meeting Firona Vie you notice a slight change in her hair, a little white instead of all gold like it was in EQ1.Elves live for long periods, they arn't immortal.

Cusashorn

04-25-2011, 08:43 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>though I have a related question here too. we have a few examples of elves that appear to either A) able live for several millenia or B) are Timeless. if this is the case, what kind of immortality would one really want to acquire? if elves can't die of age...was she looking to become immune to say, disease? or poison? was she trying for a physical toughness to make her nigh unkillable to weapons/magic?like Teren of Teren's Grasp...he was the leader of the FV outpost in Eq1, some 500 years ago. and in EQ1, he gave the definate impression that he was a veteran soldier. probably just past or at his prime. so Teren is over 500. the only Elizerain we have mention of being a royal was the Queen of Felwithe some 3k years ago. Leyna's mother is also elizerain, both had visions of the future...there's too many similarities to think that the elizerain from the Ethernaughts isn't the same one that we know died only recently due to grief at the loss of her husband in the War of the Fay. so she was/probably was at least 3500.Cristanos seems to be the same one from the origins of the Tier'dal...that puts her plenty high up in age too. and she's nto showing any indication that she's going to kick the bucket or is getting 'old'. possessed maybe, but not old.</blockquote>The Queen Cristanos Thex on the Nerriak throne now isn't the origional. Read the obelisks in Fallen Gate and you'll see the names of a succession of Kings and Queens. The current queen took the name Cristanos to help legitimize her rule just like the last king took Terris's name. Though the current queen has been there a long time.Teren was a young elf who wasn't the leader of the Firona Vie outpost, he was just one of the guards. He managed to survive and pull together the survivors from FV and the Overthere outposts. Elves do seem to have long lives so he's probably reaching either his prime or just after his prime now.If you check the hollow tree house just outside of New Tunaria you'll meet a very old Fier'dal enchanter who is nearing the end of his life. Old age hasn't been kind to him. Yes elves can die of old age. Meeting Firona Vie you notice a slight change in her hair, a little white instead of all gold like it was in EQ1.Elves live for long periods, they arn't immortal.</blockquote>This is still the same Christanos from EQlive though.

Rainmare

04-25-2011, 11:32 AM

personally I never put any stock into those statues since Neriak was released. the same stuff of those statues were supposed to be of leaders after Cristanos/Naythanox from Eq1....adn we know Cristanos in Eq2 is the same one. so unless she was dethroned, and those leaders kept her dethroned, until recently so I never much put any stock in them now.Teren was the Paladin guildmaster in Eq1 at the outpost. him and two others were the 'leaders' of the outpost, I could have sworn...maybe I am wrong on that one though.But even so we have notes that even the one elf from the Tarton's Wheel story...he was at the very least, around 3k+ years ago. he even talks in teh story like he was there when Inny stole the original monarchs...that would put him in the Elder Age.though yeah he probably has done things to extend his life...and Elizeran seemed to live from the lost age to the age of destiny..it seems at the very least, elves can live several thousand years.which still makes me think Tserrina's actions then were impatient, rushed actions which simply makes no sense to me at all for someone from a noble family in Neriak. all the intriuge, backstabing, status mongering that occurs in that city would have to ingrain patience and VERY careful preparation...and paranoia. if you don't have those you end up dead.some of her comments and actions seem to indicate she's relatively young when her and mayong split....which simply makes her using an essence to attempt immortality strangly out of context. like it was a impulse omg moment rather then a carefully studied and thought out attempt.and compare that to the actions of Opal, Cristanos, Talvus, the prisoner in PoJ from eq1, Layns, her mentor, virtually every other dark elf we've encountered. They plan for decades, centuries, and are careful and meticulous. everythign we hear about Teir'dal society says that if you don't act like that, you end up with someone's dagger in your back.So why would Mayong even be interested in an apparently noble girl who hasn't the apparent sense to self preservation of a goblin?

Siruti

04-25-2011, 12:08 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dug out the crystal claw of veeshan event quest a few years back and posted them in a forum lemme see if its still there------The Crystal Claw of Veeshan (GM Events)The Song of Sainy Dragonfriend</blockquote>Its a great story, but what does Lore from EQ1 AFTER the time split have to do with EQ2?</blockquote>before sweetie, the plane of sky came out just before kunark

Rezikai

04-25-2011, 03:31 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>...and Elizeran seemed to live from the lost age to sometime before age of destiny Turmoil. .it seems at the very least, elves can live several thousand years.So why would Mayong even be interested in an apparently noble girl who hasn't the apparent sense to self preservation of a goblin?</blockquote>fixed for ya.As for Mayongs fascination with Tserrina... i believe he indeed was using her for her studies. Something she must have stumbled upon while doing her research for immortality. Something that he either was interested in himself or took to while she was creating her experiments. Him actualy loving her was his manipulation i'd think as he's shown his love for power rules over most any woman except for maybe Xanne.

Siruti

04-25-2011, 04:03 PM

Hey can you give me the line about her seeking immortality? I can't seem to find any reference to it and i don't want to end up burning this in my mind like the dracoliche stuffCheers!

denmom

04-25-2011, 06:25 PM

<cite>Sirutill wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey can you give me the line about her seeking immortality? I can't seem to find any reference to it and i don't want to end up burning this in my mind like the dracoliche stuffCheers!</blockquote>It's in the book that you gain after you finish the quest Tserrina's Strife. You get the starter book in the Library in ToFS. Find the pages, kill the Shadowed Tome, and you get the journal. It's also needed for the general quest for the whole tower, The Tower of Frozen Shadow. When you get the journal, it dings that quest.Tserrina had been looking for a way to gain immortality. She had found a creature, never stated what it was, that she'd been searching for a long time and gained it's essence. After taking that essence into herself, she noticed no changes, and figured it just didn't work. Hop to the time with Mayong, he tried to turn her into a vampire, the essence in her made the change odd, and she wound up as she is now with the wings etc. Even Mayong had no idea she had that in her and accused her of being not of pure Tier'Dal blood and figures she'd ruin his rep in Neriak with rumors and lies. He sealed her in the tower, she had a hissy fit, trapped all of the guests and servants, they can't leave either, and there you have it.

Siruti

04-25-2011, 07:32 PM

Thank you for this! I still need to get two more levels before I journey back to that wretched place - looking forward to getting my hands on that book!

RoninSenshi

04-26-2011, 03:39 PM

Tserrina was at one time called the "Enchantres of Neriak", so she would of been an enchanter, one of the old EQ1 classes, not a Necromancer. Probably one of the best of the Spurned, I wonder if she ever knew Najena?Both were in good favor with King Naythox Thex.

Siruti

04-26-2011, 09:30 PM

Well that's interesting, because in paineel's quests there was an npc that came to the Athenaeum Necromantia and requested research on containing soulsI wish to discuss with you the matter of the soulHere's the quest text:You say, 'I wish to discuss with you the matter of the soul'Ernax the scholar says 'Hmmm. That's a phrase I have not heared for some time, and one I thought I would not hear again, any time soon. So another fool seeks Azrax's legacy, eh? Well, so be it. Take this and follow it's instructions. When you are finished reading and scribing, give it back to me.'Azrax's Legacy appears to be a quest to create an item to manipulate souls. You recieve a Mantle of Souls for completing this quest.Originally i researched this ages ago when I was looking into Miragul (<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=50134" target="_blank">you can see my thead here</a>)But with Tserinna's involvement with the Heretics it's a possibility that she may have manipulated them just as much as Miragul may have doneAccess to PaineelIf you didn't know, there were 3 portals in The Hole itself that (when you walked into them) took you to Neriak (there was also two more, one was definately Everfrost and another... (not sure which))Now originally I assumed that the portals in The Hole were miragul's own as he's the only guy I could see who had any necromancer dealings in Everfrost/Frigid PlainsCompletion of Azrax's questHe gives you a letter explaining how to construct the Soul Trap - The needed components are a bloody mantle, the heart of a druid of reknown, and a crystal of capturing.You are rewarded a Soul Trap box - so either way, might be something to look intoMiragul and TserinnaThe above must have occured after the battle of the heretics - if the library in new paineel was not constructed until the original Paineel was destroyed, perhaps Azrax was Tserinna in disguise, and maybe miragul ended up following on their research sometime after----You can follow the questline still I'm guessing, but haven't tested <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=662">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/....html?quest=662</a>Where to go from here?Why did Azrax which to capture a soul How much can be found on AzraxCan a point in time be found for Azrax's researchDo any other npcs respond to questions regarding Azrax

Velenda

05-17-2011, 12:36 PM

I love the title of this thread. Interesting bit of lore as well.Kinda makes me wonder...Mayong is very old and very powerful...I wonder how long his 'toot' list is?<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

The_Cheeseman

05-21-2011, 04:02 AM

<cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tserrina was at one time called the "Enchantres of Neriak", so she would of been an enchanter, one of the old EQ1 classes, not a Necromancer. Probably one of the best of the Spurned, I wonder if she ever knew Najena?Both were in good favor with King Naythox Thex.</blockquote>It should be obvious from others like Dartain and Miragul that the abilities of NPCs are not limited to those of PC classes, and therefore her title was just that. All lore on Tserrina points to her having significant mastery over necromancy. However, if she really was in favor with King Naythox, it's difficult to believe she would be among The Dead, who are tied to Queen Christanos, so who knows what her true allegiances were?

The_Cheeseman

05-21-2011, 04:05 AM

<cite>Velenda wrote:</cite><blockquote>I love the title of this thread. Interesting bit of lore as well.Kinda makes me wonder...Mayong is very old and very powerful...I wonder how long his 'toot' list is?<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Well, we know of at least 3: Xanne, Tserinna, and Lenya Thex. From Mayong's remarks regarding Tserinna, it can be assumed that he had many more, as he seems to consider taking a consort as a sort of errand on which he keeps a tight schedule.

RoninSenshi

05-21-2011, 12:18 PM

<a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Tserrina_Syl%27Tor_%28Lore%29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Tserrina_...7Tor_%28Lore%29</a>Lemme know where I went wrong.

Velenda

05-21-2011, 12:37 PM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Velenda wrote:</cite><blockquote>I love the title of this thread. Interesting bit of lore as well.Kinda makes me wonder...Mayong is very old and very powerful...I wonder how long his 'toot' list is?<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Well, we know of at least 3: Xanne, Tserinna, and Lenya Thex. From Mayong's remarks regarding Tserinna, it can be assumed that he had many more, as he seems to consider taking a consort as a sort of errand on which he keeps a tight schedule.</blockquote>That man must have centuries of notchies on his bedpost. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />....not tht i'd mind being of of those notches myself....*swoons*

Rainmare

05-24-2011, 03:19 AM

actually, I bet Mayong foesn't have very many 'notches' at all. he's a VERY particular guy. not the kind to be turned by just a pretty face or even a pretty face and a bit of arcane/political power.I mean other then Xanne, the only two are Lenya and Tserrina that we know of...we don't know that Xanne was as far as a class/nobility/power range...but we know Lenya was the heir apparent to New Tunaria, and arguably a powerful mage type in her own right. and we know Tserrina was a very potent Necromancer at the very least and apparently a noble as well.Mayong seems to like his women in the upper crust of class..and barring that, they gotta be a VERY potent powerhouse.I think actually, if I had to pick a woman that Mayong prolyl would get along with...I'd almost have to go with Cristanos at this point. Someone as ruthless, cunning as he is, with power both political and arcnae/physical to back them.unless he and Tserrina get back together again. which i think vould very well happen. some of the commentary in the Tower hints that Tserrina still carries a torch...maybe after these past what? 800 years? Mayong will be over what peeved him off and look at her as a new, valuable ally.

Felshades

05-24-2011, 04:04 AM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was later found to have been derived from fan fiction.</blockquote>Dang... and how many years has that Wiki entry been misleading people? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> Things like this is why I wish you guys could have a more definitive official lore source for players to reference, either here on the forums or ingame in the city libraries (or both), rather than leaving us to often rely less on documented ingame lore and more on memories of dialogue, personal opinions and conjecture, and second-hand (or worse) info that may or may not be accurate so much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />Even a sort of Phantom-esque "The Story So Far..." element would be awesome, much like what has been done with the Duality and the Deepwater Circle in SF and DoV (only a bit broader in scope). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Printed books gets my vote.A set of those and a set for Blizzard's Warcraft and Diablo series and I'll never leave my reading chair again.3 game worlds with abundance of epic lore: Norrath(two timelines even! More awesome!), Azeroth and Sanctuary.DO WANT.

therodge

05-24-2011, 03:59 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>actually, I bet Mayong foesn't have very many 'notches' at all. he's a VERY particular guy. not the kind to be turned by just a pretty face or even a pretty face and a bit of arcane/political power.I mean other then Xanne, the only two are Lenya and Tserrina that we know of...we don't know that Xanne was as far as a class/nobility/power range...but we know Lenya was the heir apparent to New Tunaria, and arguably a powerful mage type in her own right. and we know Tserrina was a very potent Necromancer at the very least and apparently a noble as well.Mayong seems to like his women in the upper crust of class..and barring that, they gotta be a VERY potent powerhouse.I think actually, if I had to pick a woman that Mayong prolyl would get along with...I'd almost have to go with Cristanos at this point. Someone as ruthless, cunning as he is, with power both political and arcnae/physical to back them.unless he and Tserrina get back together again. which i think vould very well happen. some of the commentary in the Tower hints that Tserrina still carries a torch...maybe after these past what? 800 years? Mayong will be over what peeved him off and look at her as a new, valuable ally.</blockquote>Acually i have a beileif that mayong isnt very particular on whom, but what. here are things we know 100% about mayong1. hes old how old no one really knows as most of what we know about how old he is he said and mayong isnt above deception but he is really freaken old.2. he has a beef with dragons.3. he is unique among vampires, even other fairly powerful vampires completly pale in comparison.4 he went after 3 woman we know of, lenya (direct decendant of the thex family.) tysrenna (which we now know was not only nobel but also a direct line down to the thex family) and xanne (which we know nothing)5. mayong is seemingly chaotic nuetral he doesent want to destroy norrath nor does he want to kill off any group of people (except arguablly dragons but that really cant be confirmed at all)what we think we know.1. mayong wasent always alone as the unique2. he comes from a place called mystmyr3. he became a god at some point in history weather he acually became the demigod of blood or a full god is unknown.what i think.i think all and all mayong suffers from lonelyness. that said he doesent want a bride for companionship, i think he want to recreate whatever race hes apart of it explains almost everything.1. he tried to ascend to godhood in hopes to create his own race realized he couldent and to be a god isnt that diffrent from an immortal vampire.2. he is somesort of ancent elf and as such the closest dna wise may be of the thex line he may only beable to breed with someone of that line or he may just find it more perfect to do so.3. he wont go after cristanthos thex, because although we dont know how or why she has been altered which is why if you talk to her she speaks in double speak one her one some sort of demonic voice.4. the dragons probobly killed someone mayong acually cared about maybe he was a pair of two and the killed his mate, or maybe he just doesent like dragons who knows.my only question is who and what was zane shes female was she human (would blow holes all through my theory) an elf of direct thex linieage. or maybe... although unlikly of the same race as mayong who died for whatever reason (maybe a dragon killed her har har.)also for anyone who did the signiture line in dov, kraytok has an item that can make someone immortal but you need to sacricice a very powerful being to it to get it to work, i think this is the same item tsyrenna used on herself

Rainmare

05-25-2011, 01:20 AM

Tserrina didn't use the Coelessence. she actually found some creature, stole it's essence and implanted it in herself. As to what we know on Mayong...yes he's old. somewhere around 10k. his beef with the dragons has never really been fully explained, same as his beef with the antonica bards. he just does not like those two groups.while mayong's experiements in some areas do hint like he's trying to create something more like himself, I don't think that's the reason for his involvement with Leyna or Tserrina. Lenya apparently has a strong resemblance to Xanne, and Tserrina I think, in some way might have been Mayong's first 'love' after losing Xanne for whatever reason. they seemed to have some genuine affection there...maybe not a lot, but some.Mayong prolly considered Tserrina with the same affection we might treat a family dog, I think.

RoninSenshi

05-25-2011, 04:16 AM

Tserrina was a means onto an end for Mayong, and nothing more then that. I highly Doubt Mayong really "loves" any of the three, he's just using them for some reason.

Meirril

05-25-2011, 12:56 PM

<cite>therodge wrote:</cite><blockquote>Acually i have a beileif that mayong isnt very particular on whom, but what. here are things we know 100% about mayong1. hes old how old no one really knows as most of what we know about how old he is he said and mayong isnt above deception but he is really freaken old.2. he has a beef with dragons.3. he is unique among vampires, even other fairly powerful vampires completly pale in comparison.4 he went after 3 woman we know of, lenya (direct decendant of the thex family.) tysrenna (which we now know was not only nobel but also a direct line down to the thex family) and xanne (which we know nothing)5. mayong is seemingly chaotic nuetral he doesent want to destroy norrath nor does he want to kill off any group of people (except arguablly dragons but that really cant be confirmed at all)what we think we know.1. mayong wasent always alone as the unique2. he comes from a place called mystmyr3. he became a god at some point in history weather he acually became the demigod of blood or a full god is unknown.what i think.i think all and all mayong suffers from lonelyness. that said he doesent want a bride for companionship, i think he want to recreate whatever race hes apart of it explains almost everything.1. he tried to ascend to godhood in hopes to create his own race realized he couldent and to be a god isnt that diffrent from an immortal vampire.2. he is somesort of ancent elf and as such the closest dna wise may be of the thex line he may only beable to breed with someone of that line or he may just find it more perfect to do so.3. he wont go after cristanthos thex, because although we dont know how or why she has been altered which is why if you talk to her she speaks in double speak one her one some sort of demonic voice.4. the dragons probobly killed someone mayong acually cared about maybe he was a pair of two and the killed his mate, or maybe he just doesent like dragons who knows.my only question is who and what was zane shes female was she human (would blow holes all through my theory) an elf of direct thex linieage. or maybe... although unlikly of the same race as mayong who died for whatever reason (maybe a dragon killed her har har.)also for anyone who did the signiture line in dov, kraytok has an item that can make someone immortal but you need to sacricice a very powerful being to it to get it to work, i think this is the same item tsyrenna used on herself</blockquote>There isn't anything chaotic about Mayong. He is a master plotter. He has involved himself in the Age's End prophacy as much as he can. He aquired and gave up several important artifacts in the prophacy to gain more knowledge about it. I believe his sole reason for becomming and giving up being a diety was to gain more knowledge of the prophacy and protect himself from the return of Theer.More than anything I think Mayong wants to prevent Dragons from ascending again. An age of dragons represents his power in decline. With the various races becomming more powerful and numerous his own agents and power base gains in strength. With the various races in decline as dragons once again take Norrath as their own...that could destroy everything Mayong has worked for.The natural way to look at things is that we adventurers are a theat to Mayong's organization and his very existance. However, with the Age's End prophacy Mayong is inclined to help us as long as he thinks it will benifit him. The fact he left the calendar with us proves that. The more intersting thing to consider is what will he do once we've outlived the prophacy?As for Mayong getting back together with T'serinna, I'm perty sure once he has written someone off in his book they would have to become something new to regain his interest. Has T'serinna become something different than what Mayong left in the first place? Even if she was, she still wouldn't be the ideal bride that he is searching for.

therodge

05-25-2011, 04:07 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>therodge wrote:</cite><blockquote>Acually i have a beileif that mayong isnt very particular on whom, but what. here are things we know 100% about mayong1. hes old how old no one really knows as most of what we know about how old he is he said and mayong isnt above deception but he is really freaken old.2. he has a beef with dragons.3. he is unique among vampires, even other fairly powerful vampires completly pale in comparison.4 he went after 3 woman we know of, lenya (direct decendant of the thex family.) tysrenna (which we now know was not only nobel but also a direct line down to the thex family) and xanne (which we know nothing)5. mayong is seemingly chaotic nuetral he doesent want to destroy norrath nor does he want to kill off any group of people (except arguablly dragons but that really cant be confirmed at all)what we think we know.1. mayong wasent always alone as the unique2. he comes from a place called mystmyr3. he became a god at some point in history weather he acually became the demigod of blood or a full god is unknown.what i think.i think all and all mayong suffers from lonelyness. that said he doesent want a bride for companionship, i think he want to recreate whatever race hes apart of it explains almost everything.1. he tried to ascend to godhood in hopes to create his own race realized he couldent and to be a god isnt that diffrent from an immortal vampire.2. he is somesort of ancent elf and as such the closest dna wise may be of the thex line he may only beable to breed with someone of that line or he may just find it more perfect to do so.3. he wont go after cristanthos thex, because although we dont know how or why she has been altered which is why if you talk to her she speaks in double speak one her one some sort of demonic voice.4. the dragons probobly killed someone mayong acually cared about maybe he was a pair of two and the killed his mate, or maybe he just doesent like dragons who knows.my only question is who and what was zane shes female was she human (would blow holes all through my theory) an elf of direct thex linieage. or maybe... although unlikly of the same race as mayong who died for whatever reason (maybe a dragon killed her har har.)also for anyone who did the signiture line in dov, kraytok has an item that can make someone immortal but you need to sacricice a very powerful being to it to get it to work, i think this is the same item tsyrenna used on herself</blockquote>There isn't anything chaotic about Mayong. He is a master plotter. He has involved himself in the Age's End prophacy as much as he can. He aquired and gave up several important artifacts in the prophacy to gain more knowledge about it. I believe his sole reason for becomming and giving up being a diety was to gain more knowledge of the prophacy and protect himself from the return of Theer.More than anything I think Mayong wants to prevent Dragons from ascending again. An age of dragons represents his power in decline. With the various races becomming more powerful and numerous his own agents and power base gains in strength. With the various races in decline as dragons once again take Norrath as their own...that could destroy everything Mayong has worked for.The natural way to look at things is that we adventurers are a theat to Mayong's organization and his very existance. However, with the Age's End prophacy Mayong is inclined to help us as long as he thinks it will benifit him. The fact he left the calendar with us proves that. The more intersting thing to consider is what will he do once we've outlived the prophacy?As for Mayong getting back together with T'serinna, I'm perty sure once he has written someone off in his book they would have to become something new to regain his interest. Has T'serinna become something different than what Mayong left in the first place? Even if she was, she still wouldn't be the ideal bride that he is searching for.</blockquote>chaotic nuetral is a dnd term its the oppisite of lawful nuetral, mayong also doesent seem to care about power, if he chose too he could have easily taken over faydwer at almost any given time, hes shown that adventurers are at best a tool and at worst an annoyance. according to what lore we have we know he is virtually unkillable, and powerful enough that he could easily give demigods a run for their money, the ages end prophecy is a threat to him as well exsistance in genral is a good thing on anyones terms, but i cant imagine not haveing some deeper motive.you know what they say the three most powerful things in the world are money (immortal vampire no need for cash) power (which mayong doesent seem to want or care about) and love (of what who knows but we know hes been searching for a bride for centuries)

Cusashorn

05-25-2011, 07:12 PM

^ He used to be a god and gave it up because he was bored. Being an immortal vampire was a better life choice, so you can tell he sure as hell doesn't care about power.

therodge

05-26-2011, 12:59 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>^ He used to be a god and gave it up because he was bored. Being an immortal vampire was a better life choice, so you can tell he sure as hell doesn't care about power.</blockquote>ti be fair to the argument we really dont know why he gave it up, and even though it is completly arguing against my own point it might have been because he fairs better against theer (which he may have seen as a major threat) as a immortal vampire then of a god

Rainmare

05-26-2011, 06:03 AM

Mayong does indeed care about power. in fact, power is one of his primary motivators. but he's also careful about the KIND of power he accumulates.Mayong knows that blatant shows of power make you a target in a big way. look at Venril/Rile/Ganak/Atrebe/Ring of Scale/Claws of Veeshaan/Kerafyrm....the list goes on.Mayong likes to be the power behind the throne, the one in the shadows that pulls the real strings. his physical/arcane power is already astounding, and his network of political power/spies. I would consider Mayong Lawful Evil. he does indeed, follow his own code of honor, his own strict rules. he's not chaotic by any means. everything he does is carefully planned.he's shown time and again that he can, and will, deal with people that 'wrong him' wether or not he agrees with thier goals or plans. that showing respect is something he will do for you if you do it for him. There's not a doubt in my mind his involvement in Age's End is going to be more beneficial to him then just survival. there's something he's looking to gain and he's working the chessboard in his favor at every chance.I wouldn't even be surprised if the fact Tserrina's curse could be broken was planned, so that at the proper time, she'd be free to come back into the fold, so to speak.

Mixxit

05-26-2011, 10:51 AM

I feel sorry for the man, his world has been invaded by foreign invaders, first the dragons then the gods children. He's managed to hold out pretty well in that time and manipulate some of the most powerful beings on norrath and is still here today. I would consider him an evil force with good intentions that may have been twisted since the face of norrath has changed so much since he was normal (whatever that may have been)

therodge

05-26-2011, 02:05 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mayong does indeed care about power. in fact, power is one of his primary motivators. but he's also careful about the KIND of power he accumulates.Mayong knows that blatant shows of power make you a target in a big way. look at Venril/Rile/Ganak/Atrebe/Ring of Scale/Claws of Veeshaan/Kerafyrm....the list goes on.Mayong likes to be the power behind the throne, the one in the shadows that pulls the real strings. his physical/arcane power is already astounding, and his network of political power/spies. I would consider Mayong Lawful Evil. he does indeed, follow his own code of honor, his own strict rules. he's not chaotic by any means. everything he does is carefully planned.he's shown time and again that he can, and will, deal with people that 'wrong him' wether or not he agrees with thier goals or plans. that showing respect is something he will do for you if you do it for him. There's not a doubt in my mind his involvement in Age's End is going to be more beneficial to him then just survival. there's something he's looking to gain and he's working the chessboard in his favor at every chance.I wouldn't even be surprised if the fact Tserrina's curse could be broken was planned, so that at the proper time, she'd be free to come back into the fold, so to speak.</blockquote>i mean this in the most respectful way possible but where is your proof? what makes you think he wants power? you say hes shown time and again he will deal with people, but as far as i know the only person the he really tried to kill was the D'morte's im just curious weather or not your baseing your interpretation off personal beleifs or known facts.

Cusashorn

05-26-2011, 08:00 PM

Not to take sides or to answer your question towards Rainmare for him, but take for example the Soulfire sword. At the end of the Destiny questline, Mayong tells you that he allowed Lucan to repossess the Soulfire, because Mayong said that he could easily take it back at any time if he wanted. If he wanted power, he could take back the sword at any time. He has power though, which means he could take the sword back at any time.

RoninSenshi

05-27-2011, 02:39 AM

Well, I'm sure Mayong has the Ages End Calendar thing, so he probably let Lucan have the sword so the Void could get it so that Kerafyrm could get it and move the prophesy forward.... Yeah

Velenda

05-29-2011, 11:31 PM

Poor Mayong....perhsp the guy just need a hug? Or a warm cup of coco.I wonder though...will he find others of his kind? Do they exist somewhere in Norrath?It would be kind of cool if we (the player) found them first eh...

Meirril

05-31-2011, 06:30 PM

<cite>therodge wrote:</cite><blockquote>i mean this in the most respectful way possible but where is your proof? what makes you think he wants power? you say hes shown time and again he will deal with people, but as far as i know the only person the he really tried to kill was the D'morte's im just curious weather or not your baseing your interpretation off personal beleifs or known facts.</blockquote>What makes people think Mayong is intersted in aquiring power? Well, the spy network for one thing. If he wasn't trying to control things, he wouldn't need it. After all, being an immortal vampire that adventurers are no threat to as you so lovingly point out...why else would he need to gather information on what happens in every civilized area of Norrath?Then there is the matter of him experimenting on other races. He used Najena's creation and the tier'dal envoy she sent to start his experiments on creating a slave race for himself. He continues similar research today creating the Myr'dal. Quite possibly as some sort of disposable soldiers. It would be easier for him to create more vampires but I suspect he wants to contorl the vampire population and swelling their number for this purpose wouldn't suit him.Also there is his subversion of New Tunaria. Was it just to aquire more test subjects? Or a new suply of elves to convert into vampires since he was cut off from Neriak? Was it just to get ahold of the complete prophacies of Queen Elesian?I'm perty sure Mayong gave up Soulfire out of self preservation. He knew enough about the prophacy to warn him that both swords would be successfully stolen by Theer and probably didn't want the army comming to knock on his door. The same maybe true about the peice of the calendar we players have as well.