Hailstorm vs. Plaguebringer - Sorc Shadows End Boxes

[Haciv]

<p>Towards the end of DoV beta, there were ticks added to Plaguebringer that essentially doubled the damage of the spell, and at the same time there was no change to the Wizard counterpart spell of Hailstorm.</p><p>Currently, Plaguebringer smashes Hailstorm in both initial damage, ticks, and duration.  Even with the 50% boost in Hailstorm in the Heoric AA's, it still feels extremely underpowered in comparison to Plaguebringer.</p><p>It would seem appropriate that since Plaguebringer got a <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">massive</span></strong> boost a couple months ago, that Hailstorm should receive at least something in an attempt to balance them out.  Please boost hailstorm.</p>

[Geothe]

<p>lol.So if you want to go back to equalize old AAs.What do warlocks get to balance out the 1-1.5million damage Manaburns that Wizards can do now?hehe</p>

[Chiyoiche]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol.So if you want to go back to equalize old AAs.What do warlocks get to balance out the 1-1.5million damage Manaburns that Wizards can do now?hehe</p></blockquote><p>what he said. if you want balance, give us something as equal. Plaguebringer was turned into a DoT. It's why it does more damage now. and of course, gear, and aa's make it hit harder. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> perhaps you should come to the 'dark' side. its more comfy over here anyways.</p>

[Haciv]

<p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol.So if you want to go back to equalize old AAs.What do warlocks get to balance out the 1-1.5million damage Manaburns that Wizards can do now?hehe</p></blockquote><p>What's funny this, is that a Time Warped Plaguebringer hits about as hard as Manaburn.  Yet Manaburn has a 5 sec cast, 5 min reuse, a 30 second immunity, and drains all your power.  Remind me what the cast, recast, immunity timer, and power cost of Plaguebringer is again?</p><p>Plaguebringer was insanely overboosted with DoV, I'm just asking for a lil lovin for the wizard counterpart.  If you want to ask for a Lock version of Manaburn, then start your own thread.</p>

[Lempo]

<p>If you are a wizard and you do not think that boosting plaguebringer moved towards leveling the power mismatch then you are doing it wrong.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Lempo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you are a wizard and you do not think that boosting plaguebringer moved towards leveling the power mismatch then you are doing it wrong.</p></blockquote><p>This. Any Wizard asking for any sort of buff considering their class's current state is just asking for trouble.</p>

[Haciv]

<p>So, Locks can't agree that Hailstorm pales in comparison to Plaguebringer and deserves some attention.  Amazing.</p>

[Chiyoiche]

<p><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Geothe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol.So if you want to go back to equalize old AAs.What do warlocks get to balance out the 1-1.5million damage Manaburns that Wizards can do now?hehe</p></blockquote><p>What's funny this, is that a Time Warped Plaguebringer hits about as hard as Manaburn.  Yet Manaburn has a 5 sec cast, 5 min reuse, a 30 second immunity, and drains all your power.  Remind me what the cast, recast, immunity timer, and power cost of Plaguebringer is again?</p><p>Plaguebringer was insanely overboosted with DoV, I'm just asking for a lil lovin for the wizard counterpart.  If you want to ask for a Lock version of Manaburn, then start your own thread.</p></blockquote><p>who cares? time warp isnt even a warlock spell. so it doesnt matter. maybe you should try playing a warlock, to end teir, then tell us its OP. You would say otherwise. im tired of this where people who play the alternate versions CRY and whine about a particular spell that varies from their end spell. their two diffent classes, of course its going to vary.</p><p>and with my setup, my PB casts is like this:</p><p>power: 266</p><p>cast: 1.19 (please note my GEAR, boosts my casting speed considerably. so it may not be the same as others.)</p><p>RECAST: 38.6</p><p>duration: 8</p><p>damage: varies.</p>

[Haciv]

<p><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>maybe you should try playing a warlock, to end teir, then tell us its OP.</p></blockquote><p> Check out my forum signature.  I have a lvl 90, 300 AA Wiz and a lvl 90, 300 AA Lock.</p><p><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>damage: varies.</p></blockquote><p>I LOL'd.  It's always top dps by a disproportional amount.  It's OP and you know it. </p>

[Notsovilepriest]

Wizards don't need any sort of buff at all, Learn your class better.

[Lempo]

<p><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>maybe you should try playing a warlock, to end teir, then tell us its OP.</p></blockquote><p> Check out my forum signature.  I have a lvl 90, 300 AA Wiz and a lvl 90, 300 AA Lock.</p><p><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>damage: varies.</p></blockquote><p>I LOL'd.  It's always top dps by a disproportional amount.  It's OP and you know it. </p></blockquote><p>Our Wizard lol'd at your post when I read it in raid last night, wizards worldwide are laughing at you. And a time warped Plaguebringer with FH sorcery, catalyst and sanguine sacrifice does not hit as hard as manaburn with the same AINEC.</p><p>I'm serious you are doing it wrong, really.</p>

[Loldawg]

<p>Really? Wizards are the last class that need more. Problems w/ DoTs were causing Locks to fall behind, this was a needed boost. </p>

[Haciv]

<p>You guys are so defensive.  What does me pointing out that one spell got it damage doubled while the counterpart spell was left alone have anything to do with my ability to play my class? </p><p>In regards to PB hitting as hard as MB, I'm seeing PB's go off for 1.0 - 1.2 Mil and I'm not seeing Manaburns consistently go off for much more than that.  Maybe all you other Warlocks are doing it all wrong. TEEHEE!</p>

[Loldawg]

<p>I don't play a wizard or a warlock, though I have in the past. This is simple. Wizards don't need any buffing. Locks did and might still need more in order to be balanced as a sorcerer. Looking at one spell vs. another spell is irrelevant.</p>

[Korrupt]

<p>I played a lock top end up till this xpac, now a wizard so I have a good feel of both. Plaguebringer is far more powerful than hailstorm you're right, but manaburn is more powerful than any lock endline, rays is far more powerful than acid storm, fusion is far more powerful than rift, and the wizard myth makes the warlock myth look like a sick joke. I'd say wizards should leave well enough alone and not complain about PB.</p>

[Nind]

<p>I am with Korrupt on this. I also played warlock until a week ago and with less gear and in the same group I pushed my parse up when I betrayed except on aoe fights. So saying wizards needs anything changed is just wrong. PB have helped warlocks catch up a bit but they're still behind wizards.</p><p>And if you want to compare endline spells go have a look at some of the other ones. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Haciv]

<p>Bump, so that more people can laugh at me and tell me I suck.</p>

[Lempo]

<p>Next raid night I ask our wizzy to drop in for you then.</p>

[SOE-MOD-07]

<p>Old thread that was necro'd, closing it.</p>