Defiler vs Templar

[Kiintac]

<p>Could someone give me the pros and cons of the two healers above.   My guild is in desperate need of a healer for instances/PvP and I am considering the above two healer classes.</p><p>Thanks for your input.</p>

[Calain80]

<p>Defiler can betray to Mystic and Templar to Inquisitor. But seriously: Defiler: - has wards and wards > everything for healing. - has better / more debuffs - is the slowest class to level / lowest DPS class, so get a power level buddy or die of boredom. (At least it is hard to die from something else) Templar: - mostly reactives + some wards - has better group buffs - has some CC abilities - also only barely better for soloing then Defiler and the Bards. Don't know about PvP.</p>

[yzyh]

<p><cite>Calberak@Valor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Defiler can betray to Mystic and Templar to Inquisitor. But seriously: Defiler: - has wards and wards > everything for healing. - has better / more debuffs - is the slowest class to level / lowest DPS class, so get a power level buddy or die of boredom. (At least it is hard to die from something else) Templar: - mostly reactives + some wards - has better group buffs - has some CC abilities - also only barely better for soloing then Defiler and the Bards. Don't know about PvP.</p></blockquote><p>1) Why leveling as a defiler when you can creat a Mystic and then spend a few hour to betray (also easier to level as an inq then betraying but I,d say templar level bether then defiler)</p><p>2) bards can easely kite so for level grinding they beat templar anytime.</p>

[ridgerbay]

<p>I have both a lvl 90 Templar and a lvl 90 Defiler.  I rolled the defiler right before DoV dropped. </p><p>The templar is a strong class their heal spells are reactive based meaning that if your tank gets hit, it is going to proc a heal spell.  If you are healing Guardians, SK, Pally, Zerkers, then you see a benefit of a templar.  They have the highest heal potential of any priest class.  Their single target and group heals are the best.  Everything you cast on Templar generates heals.  Your debuffs can generate heals overtime and you have special spells that allow you to prevent dmg for a period of time.  Sanctuary lasts for 40 Secs (When maxed out on AA tree) which prevents stifles, stuns, roots, and other detriments that can wipe group and raid.  The buffs you have will give xtra HP and special procs to ward damage and cure group and raid.  Templars are healing machines.  </p><p>The Templars DPS is not that great.  But remember this is a healing class not a DPS class.  Even the inquisitor with Mastercrafted gear or raid gear in Heal Spec AA is going to max out parse 5k - 8k DPS.  Its pretty lame for the Templar to DPS.  You have 3 - 5 DPS spells and they are all lightening strikes.  you do get a pet that lasts a short duration its a hammer, but does not do much DPS.   The use of the hammer is to get debuffs and heal proc debuffs in before mobs are on you. Even DPS spec'd don't expect anything amazing.  You basically cast your HO spell then you short lightening, and long lightening rinse and repeat to kill mobs.  You do not have any AOE spells.  Needless to say it is very boring to solo this class it can be done if you follow the quest timeline, and you are better off leveling that way so that by the time you reach max level you are also at a decent AA level as well.  Anything below 225 is not going to be Raid ready.  Some guilds may try and get you  to raid at 175 or 200 and you can make it, but you will be relying on the other classes to have their AA trees maxed, and decent gear. </p><p>The Defiler Heals are really wards.  Some people in Norrath would refer to Defilers and Mystics as "fake healers" because they do not heal.  They really just prevent damage from happening to the group.  Defilers use single target and group wards as their main two spells to prevent damage and they have single target and group heals as well.  The difference in the two classes Templar and Defiler is how they respond to Damage on tanks.  If you see your tank starting to dip as a defiler you are going to need to get your wards back up on the target and then cast your heal spells.  As a templar you cast your reactives, and it heals as the tank gets hit.  You may need to throw in a single target or group target heal depending on how much damage occurred before you got your reactives in (back in) place.   The defiler also has group buffs that add HP to single targets and then a ward that gives over 1k extra hits to the group.   Coagulate offers the ability for group members to die, without actually needing a rez and you can cast a heal spell on them to bring them back up to full health.  Provided they don't take too much more damage.  You can tell if you are not ready to heal groups as a defiler by how quickly mobs are burning through your wards.  Your AA tree will help you generate better wards and use less mana per spell.  The Defiler rather than Sanctuary get Voice of Ancestors if you are stunned stifled, rooted etc you can use this spell to set you free.  Which I find more useful than sanctuary.  It really is a personal preference.</p><p>As DPS goes the Defiler is actually about on par with the Templar the only caveat is that the Defiler has lots and lots of cool debuffs that are useful in groups and raid.  They have 1 AoE spell called Defile. It is a dmg over time but if you use your heals you can kill a mob of 6 - 8 baddies by using one defile.  The AA tree can reduce the reuse time on this spell and others.  </p><p>Final Thoughts on both classes.  The Templar is a mana [Removed for Content].  They use power worse than any other healing class.  You better have a mana regen class with you for a lot of fights, and be smart about your casting, or you can run out of mana very easily with the Templar.  You have the opposite problem with Defilers.  It is very difficult to run out of mana with a defiler they actually have mana regen spells that are pretty good.  It is very hard for me to run out of mana as a defiler.  The Defiler casts slower than any of the other healers.  It is hard for them to cure due to slow cast time so go into the class expecting that.  You will need to get your casting speed and re-use speed up on the defiler class quickly.  I recommend getting adornments to help out as you get higher levels.  I personally prefer the defiler just because of the debuffs that they have.  I find that I get more use out of the debuffs and other extra's and completing quests is easier with that one AOE as opposed to none.  But groups can really benefit from a good Templar.  So it just depends on what fits in to your guild and your play style the best.  I wouldn't trade either toons for another class in the game right now.  I am spending more time on my defiler at the moment.</p>

[wullailhuit]

<p>I'll add to Fatyl's post and ammendment....</p><p>as a warding class...you have to pre-plan your ward casts somewhat....the worst thing you can do is let your wards run out , always try and start casting the next ward timed so it casts just before or just as the last one expires or is used up.</p><p>Done properly , on fights where the tank isn't taking a lot of spike damage , you will have time between wards to go in and bonk the mob a few times on the head with your weapon and use the melee CA's you should have specced before having to re-cast your wards.</p>

[Ferunnia]

<p>If you're having problems as a templar with power then get tinkering up...this is the best way for anyone with power issues to keep power up to be honest. And for the record, furies use the most power of any of the healer classes.</p><p>Another thing I didn't see mentioned is that templars have a group buff that procs stoneskins and another buff to increase proc rate on items, both highly useful among the multitude of other things they bring to the table...Also templars have a pretty huge single target ward at higher levels.</p><p>Defilers with enough AA at higher levels can spec for a blue AoE dot that does freakin insane damage...Not sure why you'd not spec for it when soloing as a matter of fact. (You need 277AA minimum to get any of the DoV endlines, btw).</p><p>Edit: One last thing about the post above about the priest dps...not sure what is meant exactly about: ' Even the inquisitor with Mastercrafted gear or raid gear in Heal Spec AA is going to max out parse 5k - 8k DPS.  Its pretty lame for the Templar to DPS. '  You're sorely limiting yourself if this is all you're trying to do. Our offtank templar in his normal raiding spec can do from 15-35k dps depending on how much healing he has to do. I'd imagine with straight downgrades in gear to the best you can get in heroic instances he'd be doing at least half of that much, if not a bit more. And defilers, with the DoT I mentioned above can do that much or a bit more.</p><p>Granted it's not every fight because different fights require different amounts of focus on healing, but just know that your potential isn't nearly as limited as that poster seems to think...And don't even put Inquisitors in the same realm of dps as those two priest classes...The highest I've seen an inquisitor parse personally was 50K+...the highest parsing Inquisitor I've seen world wide is pushing 100k on some named parses in raids. Everything is situational. I'm one of the highest parsing furies around, putting out close to 100k on some fights as well, with a few AoE fights above that, but my dps will dip into the range of 20-30k if I'm having to heal a lot or the buffs in my group aren't ones that help my dps.</p><p>To the OP...pretty much any healer class in PvP, if played properly, in PvP gear, is gonna be a monster. Your dps won't be what I said above, of course, but to be honest if I was going to roll a healer for 80+ PvP I'd probably go Inquisitor or Warden. There's a ton of reasons, but here are the main ones in a nutshell...Inquisitor=Curing god/wears plate/steadfast... Warden=Spam healing god/serenity/root immunity/also great at curing...Now I know open-world PvP is a good bit different than battlegrounds, but in that kind of situation, a well played toon of either of those two classes is [Removed for Content] near impossible to kill without one-shotting them. If you let up off of dps for a millisecond either one will heal until you give up in disgust...I've known a couple of defilers that were just as tough, maybe one templar, and I never ran into mystics in battlegrounds, so I can't give a comparison there...</p>

[ridgerbay]

<p>+1  I had written so much and it was so late I didn't include the things you did.  But I agree with your thoughts.  My Templar had TSO Raid gear as I stopped raiding with him after TSO.  I did not get that high on the DPS unless I was spec'd for DPS.  I was always a MT healer and did not get opportunity to test out DPS of my templar during raid.   Either way I think the OP has a lot of good information to make a decision about which class to roll.</p><p><cite>Elhonna@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you're having problems as a templar with power then get tinkering up...this is the best way for anyone with power issues to keep power up to be honest. And for the record, furies use the most power of any of the healer classes.</p><p>Another thing I didn't see mentioned is that templars have a group buff that procs stoneskins and another buff to increase proc rate on items, both highly useful among the multitude of other things they bring to the table...Also templars have a pretty huge single target ward at higher levels.</p><p>Defilers with enough AA at higher levels can spec for a blue AoE dot that does freakin insane damage...Not sure why you'd not spec for it when soloing as a matter of fact. (You need 277AA minimum to get any of the DoV endlines, btw).</p><p>Edit: One last thing about the post above about the priest dps...not sure what is meant exactly about: ' Even the inquisitor with Mastercrafted gear or raid gear in Heal Spec AA is going to max out parse 5k - 8k DPS.  Its pretty lame for the Templar to DPS. '  You're sorely limiting yourself if this is all you're trying to do. Our offtank templar in his normal raiding spec can do from 15-35k dps depending on how much healing he has to do. I'd imagine with straight downgrades in gear to the best you can get in heroic instances he'd be doing at least half of that much, if not a bit more. And defilers, with the DoT I mentioned above can do that much or a bit more.</p><p>Granted it's not every fight because different fights require different amounts of focus on healing, but just know that your potential isn't nearly as limited as that poster seems to think...And don't even put Inquisitors in the same realm of dps as those two priest classes...The highest I've seen an inquisitor parse personally was 50K+...the highest parsing Inquisitor I've seen world wide is pushing 100k on some named parses in raids. Everything is situational. I'm one of the highest parsing furies around, putting out close to 100k on some fights as well, with a few AoE fights above that, but my dps will dip into the range of 20-30k if I'm having to heal a lot or the buffs in my group aren't ones that help my dps.</p><p>To the OP...pretty much any healer class in PvP, if played properly, in PvP gear, is gonna be a monster. Your dps won't be what I said above, of course, but to be honest if I was going to roll a healer for 80+ PvP I'd probably go Inquisitor or Warden. There's a ton of reasons, but here are the main ones in a nutshell...Inquisitor=Curing god/wears plate/steadfast... Warden=Spam healing god/serenity/root immunity/also great at curing...Now I know open-world PvP is a good bit different than battlegrounds, but in that kind of situation, a well played toon of either of those two classes is [Removed for Content] near impossible to kill without one-shotting them. If you let up off of dps for a millisecond either one will heal until you give up in disgust...I've known a couple of defilers that were just as tough, maybe one templar, and I never ran into mystics in battlegrounds, so I can't give a comparison there...</p></blockquote>