How shall the world be saved?

[Aceshot]

<p>I was thinking, how are we gonna save the world? The odds look to be stacked against us.</p><p>Ladies and gentlemen! In the left corner! The God of War himself, with the Prismatic Dragon and the power of Balance! At least!</p><p>In the right corner, some plucky looters who got us into this mess in the first place!</p><p>So, I had a few ideas, wondering what you guys might think and come up with.</p><p>-The Harness is still kicking about. The Drakkota might make some very powerful allies against the enemies we will have to face.</p><p>-Nagafan's prismatic clutch. Kerafym is ancient, but what about a horde of prismatic dragons under control of Naggy?</p><p>-Vrexx. I remember in the lore about him, something about Icy Keep or him being blessed by Eci. Surely, in the snowy lands of Velious, he would have great power or be able to help us?</p><p>-11th hour cavelry from the gods. They don't want to be wiped out, and they don't want to help Zek, maybe they might throw us a bone?</p><p>-The Collesion of Life from Fortrest Spire. If used to absorb the power of someone like a dragon, you become immortal right? What would absorbing the power of a god do?</p><p>-Marr. The reason I put this seperatly is because of some of the latest lore around him and how a trap was laided to kill him. Maybe, if we find more details, we can engineer one to kill another god?</p><p>-Far Sea's. I think the Far Sea's have discovered something, maybe something powerful.</p><p>Now, what do you guys think and can come up with?</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Aceshot@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was thinking, how are we gonna save the world? The odds look to be stacked against us.</p><p>Ladies and gentlemen! In the left corner! The God of War himself, with the Prismatic Dragon and the power of Balance! At least!</p><p>In the right corner, some plucky looters who got us into this mess in the first place!</p><p>So, I had a few ideas, wondering what you guys might think and come up with.</p><p>-The Harness is still kicking about. The Drakkota might make some very powerful allies against the enemies we will have to face.</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Possibly, thought that would require someone actually aquiring the harness, which as far as we know is not a physical item.</span></p><p>-Nagafan's prismatic clutch. Kerafym is ancient, but what about a horde of prismatic dragons under control of Naggy?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">We would be foolish to even trust Nagafen at this point and Norrath would be better off putting him and his children down for good, who do you honestly think he will turn his prismatic clutch against when this is all over?</span></p><p>-Vrexx. I remember in the lore about him, something about Icy Keep or him being blessed by Eci. Surely, in the snowy lands of Velious, he would have great power or be able to help us?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Unlikely. We as adventurers defeated him in an empowered adult form recently and put him into a semi-catatonic sleep.</span></p><p>-11th hour cavelry from the gods. They don't want to be wiped out, and they don't want to help Zek, maybe they might throw us a bone?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Unlikely. The gods are anything but helpful to us mere mortals in most cases.</span></p><p>-The Collesion of Life from Fortrest Spire. If used to absorb the power of someone like a dragon, you become immortal right? What would absorbing the power of a god do?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Bring down the wrath of the other gods for a mere mortal even attempting to stand amongst them as an equal, killing let alone becoming one of them would likely be the ultimate act of hubris.</span></p><p>-Marr. The reason I put this seperatly is because of some of the latest lore around him and how a trap was laided to kill him. Maybe, if we find more details, we can engineer one to kill another god?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Again, we would likely have the wrath of the rest of the gods brought against us for even attempting such a thing.</span></p><p>-Far Sea's. I think the Far Sea's have discovered something, maybe something powerful.</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Unlikely, they mostly keep to themselves and their business ventures. They have given no real compelling evidence as to actually finding anything worthwhile, let alone something they would share.</span></p><p>Now, what do you guys think and can come up with?</p></blockquote><p>No matter what happens, I imagine this will be a gigantic mess, that we are not only going to have to clean up, but will also be blamed for.</p><p>The best outcome would involve the followers of Zek, and Zek himself being annihilated along with Nagafen and his clutch, Mayong, and Kerafyrm put away for good as well as dragonkind itself being wiped away at the same time.</p><p>That would solve some problems in the long run as all problems seem to stem from them. It was the fault of dragonkind afterall that Kerafyrm was not slain as a child due to their laws.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>actualy <span >Vrexx himself said he has an important role to be playing comeing up, hard mode fight is non cannon. and normal mode was simply a duel to test skill. he will be back.</span></p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>actualy <span>Vrexx himself said he has an important role to be playing comeing up, hard mode fight is non cannon. and normal mode was simply a duel to test skill. he will be back.</span></p></blockquote><p>Really? There must be a bug somewhere then, as I have completed the EM and HM version of the fight and the exact same thing happens both times.</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>My guess is that we'll get the Coalescence of Life and give it to Sullon Zek, who will wield it to defeat Rallos Zek, possibly ascending to the position of God of War herself in the process, and enabling us to re-energize Enoxus and Aeteok -- which will then give us a shot at draining Kerafyn of his godly powers, leaving him in a weakened state (much like Rallos when he descends to our plane) that will, in turn, give us an opportunity to lay the smack down on him. Either one massively long and epicly awesome raid encounter (rather unlikely) or 2-3 separate raid events.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My guess is that we'll get the Coalescence of Life and give it to Sullon Zek, who will wield it to defeat Rallos Zek, possibly ascending to the position of God of War herself in the process, and enabling us to re-energize Enoxus and Aeteok -- which will then give us a shot at draining Kerafyn of his godly powers, leaving him in a weakened state (much like Rallos when he descends to our plane) that will, in turn, give us an opportunity to lay the smack down on him. Either one massively long and epicly awesome raid encounter (rather unlikely) or 2-3 separate raid events.</p></blockquote><p>Or the Duality studies the Coalescence of Life and negotiates further with the weakened Rohen Theer. As we the mortals of Norrath battle Zek the god of War to a marginal defeat (sending him back to the Plane of War to restore his powers) the Duality comes up with a plan to restore the two swords. By using the Coalesence of Life and one of the swords he can use a being of similar power to restore each sword. The two beings on Norrath that can most likely be defeated and yet powerful enough to restore the swords are dragons of the first brood. Zlandacar becomes the target for restoring Aeteok, and Yelnik becomes the target for restoring Enoxus. (or a possible alternative of Yelnik could be Pharla Dar or another first brood dragon loyal to the Ascended that survived Kingdom of Sky).</p><p>Finally Rohen Theer himself asks the heroes of Norrath to clear the way to his confrontation with Kerafyrm. As you reach the "final" encounter in the raid zone Theer launches his attack against Kerafyrm who attempts to escape during the battle. Just after the raid wins the encounter a wounded Theer lands near the raid and announces that he has managed to drain the powers of balance from Kerafyrm and trap him in his sanctuary but has been wounded in the process. He tasks the heroes with finishing off Kerafyrm before he can escape. One final battle for the future of Norrath.</p><p>Afterward Theer enters and "finishes" Kerafyrm (or in a rare appearance Veeshan comes in an rescues Kerafyrm for her own reasons). The wounded Theer announces that he will retreat to his own plane (which thrills the Tribunal to learn the land lord has come to collect rent) to recouperate. As part of his agreement he returns his two swords to the Duality proving that we really beat down on the wrong guy in SF and that he's more trustworthy than the smucks we've been worshiping for several centuries...</p>

[Truthful]

<p><cite>Aceshot@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was thinking, how are we gonna save the world? The odds look to be stacked against us.</p><p>Ladies and gentlemen! In the left corner! The God of War himself, with the Prismatic Dragon and the power of Balance! At least!</p><p>In the right corner, some plucky looters who got us into this mess in the first place!</p></blockquote><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;" ><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Agreed Aceshot the situation seems grim….very grim but fear not there is hope.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>The only force, that can us now is the awesome and mystical power of RMT.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Only by sacrificing many many $ at the alter of RMT can we hope to save norrath </span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;" ><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;" ><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">But beware should not enough $s be sacrificed to RMT then norrath may very well go the same way as Telon.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Truly these are treacherous times.</span></span></span></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>my theory is we will come to the aid of Zek's kids...Vallon, Tallon, and Sullon...Vallon and Tallon will work to hinder/hamper Zek's forces, and Sullon will go after Rallos herself. we'll give her the twin swords, and in her battlefury against Zek will 'awaken' them. Sullon Zek will best Rallos, forcing him back to War...then she will give us the awakened blades. We'll take the blades to Theer...who will go to face Kera. our job will be to make sure Kera can't call on his allies to aid him in the fight, as theer is still weak enough that several dragons ganging up on him will be too much...he'll have his hands more then full with Kera.</p><p>When we prevent the survivors of the Cult/and ToV dragons that have allied with him from aiding Kera agaisnt Theer, Theer will drain the power of Balance from Kera. then his weakened body will be handed over to Yelniak and the Crusaders to reimprision/deal with.</p>

[Aceshot]

<p>Hmm...Theer would make a good champion. He is the avatar of the Nameless, and he is the only one who can absorb the power of Balance, but he can't be trusted, even now. Given than he endangered the world when he used the void to attack, I'm not really wanting to give him the power of balance back. He could, very easily, turn on us again and scare the gods away, which puts us back where we started.</p><p>Actually...that might not be a bad thing, but still.</p><p>Nagafen and his brood still seems more likely to me. Better the devil we know, than one who might accidently make the world go boom. Plus, I think Nagafen would slaughter his brood after they killed or weakned Kera, no threats then.</p><p>But here is another idea. Mayong Mistmoore. He has become a god once, why won't he become one again? He is active in DoV (I don't know where though) and while he may be evil, he doesnt want the world destroyed.</p><p>Personally, I think the god will form some kind of 11th hour cavelry. They are already helping out in indirect ways (check the coldain shawl quest), and possible send down something badass.</p><p>Also, why do you think Sullon Zek will be the one to beat up Rallos?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Aceshot@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm...Theer would make a good champion. He is the avatar of the Nameless, and he is the only one who can absorb the power of Balance, but he can't be trusted, even now. Given than he endangered the world when he used the void to attack, I'm not really wanting to give him the power of balance back. He could, very easily, turn on us again and scare the gods away, which puts us back where we started.</p><p>Actually...that might not be a bad thing, but still.</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Theer might make a good ally... <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>if he was still alive.</strong></span> We weakened him, and Kerafyrm killed him when he stole the powers.</span></p><p>Nagafen and his brood still seems more likely to me. Better the devil we know, than one who might accidently make the world go boom. Plus, I think Nagafen would slaughter his brood after they killed or weakned Kera, no threats then.</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Nagafen has never been one to lift a finger against his own kind. He still follows the Thou Shall Not Harm Another Dragon law that dragons follow, even if Kerafyrm is an exception. On top of that, he's too lazy and cunning to do anything himself. He can easily trick anyone else to do it for him.</span></p><p>But here is another idea. Mayong Mistmoore. He has become a god once, why won't he become one again? He is active in DoV (I don't know where though) and while he may be evil, he doesnt want the world destroyed.</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">If he requires another ritual to become one, then there might be an issue with that alone. After that, we still can't trust what he would do. Besides, he was bored with being a god, and he knows that being an immortal undead still means he can't permanently die, just as he knows that Kerafyrm could permanently end his life if he were a god.</span></p><p>Personally, I think the god will form some kind of 11th hour cavelry. They are already helping out in indirect ways (check the coldain shawl quest), and possible send down something badass.</p><p>Also, why do you think Sullon Zek will be the one to beat up Rallos?</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Sullon Zek is the only god proven to be physically EQUAL to his own combat prowess. Sullon Zek became the Demi-God of Rage because she challenged Rallos Zek to combat, and it ended in a draw when both of them exhausted themselves out. Rallos was so impressed by her abilities that her turned her into a demi-god.</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Tallon and Vallon Zek may or may not have an issue with being imprisoned by their father. They can consider the strategic advantage Rallos may be planning by doing so, and respect him for the tactics he used to do it. Sullon... She's [Removed for Content]. She's the underdog in all this because being imprisoned only furthers her rage and anger, and directing that against Rallos may be the best course of action.</span></p></blockquote>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aceshot@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmm...Theer would make a good champion. He is the avatar of the Nameless, and he is the only one who can absorb the power of Balance, but he can't be trusted, even now. Given than he endangered the world when he used the void to attack, I'm not really wanting to give him the power of balance back. He could, very easily, turn on us again and scare the gods away, which puts us back where we started.</p><p>Actually...that might not be a bad thing, but still.</p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">Theer might make a good ally... <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>if he was still alive.</strong></span> We weakened him, and Kerafyrm killed him when he stole the powers.</span> </p></blockquote></blockquote><p>I believe he still is.  We visit him during the Signature Line and he gives some incite although he is majorly depressed and pondering how his defeat (not death) and loss of the Twin Swords have on Norrath.  He seems to want to stay out of the events currently, but who knows.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Yes, Theer is Enervated, like our Mythical weapons.  He is definitely not dead.  In fact, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that it was done in a similar way to what we did for our Mythical weapon and that it might be possible to "undo" that.</p><p>I also am not sure where he ever claimed to be the Avatar of the Nameless.  He most certainly claimed to be the Avatar of Balance.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yes, Theer is Enervated, like our Mythical weapons.  He is definitely not dead.  In fact, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that it was done in a similar way to what we did for our Mythical weapon and that it might be possible to "undo" that.</p><p>I also am not sure where he ever claimed to be the Avatar of the Nameless.  He most certainly claimed to be the Avatar of Balance.</p></blockquote><p>Huh, when did this happen?</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p>Check out the spoilers for the DoV signature line.  One of the steps has you going to talk to Theer, so he's very much alive.  In fact, he's pretty benign, and willing to help even though we tried to kill him and all that.</p><p>And yeah, his tag is "The Enervated".</p>

[Aceshot]

<p>He is alive, want a screen shot?</p>