Scout Gear and Riposte Damage stat - PLEASE Change

[Umub]

<p>There is a ton of scout only gear in DOV that has +Riposte damage on it and thus does NOT have +DPS, +multi-attack, +slashing/crushing/piercing. Riposte is almost entirely useless for a scout. In a group or raid the scout should never be in front of the mob taking a hit that could be riposted and when soloing, scouts are either kiting or turning the mob whenever they can.</p><p>This particularly painful when you look at the faction gear. If you work to get your faction up for Othmir you soon find that the best faction jewelry has +Riposte damage, Crit Bonus and Potency and simply isn't useful. You can keep quested and easy legendary gear that has a little less crit bonus and potency but has MUCH more useful other stats besides riposte damage.</p><p>Please, please change all DOV scout items to stats other than riposte damage or riposte chance.</p>

[Cocytus]

<p><cite>Umub wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There is a ton of scout only gear in DOV that has +Riposte damage on it and thus does NOT have +DPS, +multi-attack, +slashing/crushing/piercing. Riposte is almost entirely useless for a scout. <strong>In a group or raid the scout</strong> should never be in front of the mob taking a hit that could be riposted and when soloing, scouts are either kiting or turning the mob whenever they can.</p><p>This particularly painful when you look at the faction gear. If you work to get your faction up for Othmir you soon find that the best faction jewelry has +Riposte damage, Crit Bonus and Potency and simply isn't useful. You can keep quested and easy legendary gear that has a little less crit bonus and potency but has MUCH more useful other stats besides riposte damage.</p><p>Please, please change all DOV scout items to stats other than riposte damage or riposte chance.</p></blockquote><p>I like having it as an option, myself. To each their own. However....Have you looked at the group and raid gear? I haven't seen any riposte damage or riposte chance on it, save for optional adornments that are scout usable.</p>

[JoarAddam]

<p>If we HAVE to have a defensive buff on our gear this would be better if it was +parry.  As a solo/duo swash I'd love parry chance over riposte chance, or even multiattack for that matter.  Riposte chance may make the mob dies slightly faster, but a +parry chance would keep me alive a lot longer</p>

[Umub]

<p>Cocytus - I guess part of my point is that it isn't really an "option". The higher tier faction wrist (i think) for Othmir has it. There isn't another piece of jewelry from the Othmir to pick from at the same faction level.</p><p>But also, I'm not sure why you like having it as an option anyway. To get any benefit from +riposte chance or +riposte damage % you have to:</p><ol><li>Be close enough to the mob for them to hit you.</li><li>They make a physical attack on you</li><li>You successfully parry the attack</li></ol><p>Now that you have satisfied those conditions, you get a chance to riposte to do a little bit of damage.</p><p>The amout of damage is not very high AND you have to meet a lot of conditions before you get to that point. The extra DPS added by +riposte chance and +riposte damage has gotten to be extremely small - closing in on 0.</p><p>Compare that to +multi attack chance. Gives you a chance for an extra attack every time you attack. Bow, melee, thrown, in fonrt or behind the mob, whether the mob is attacking you or not,etc.  And if the extra mutli attack chance succeeds it does a very large amount of damage compared to riposte damage. So it's always useful and does a large amount of damage when it succeeds.</p>

[Cocytus]

<p>No. +Extra Riposte Chance = uncontested riposte. IE,  works just like uncontested parry would, except it will also riposte unless the blow comes from the rear quadrant. +Additional chance to Riposte is the one that turns a parry into a riposte. +Riposte damage, I agree, is generally useless on this gear because it comes in inconsequential incriments. +Riposte Damage is pretty much useless unless you can easily get it over 50%.</p><p>Do no other scouts also have brawlers? So many scouts that post about this don't seem to understand the avoidance wording. Anyway. Parry would be cool too but I think uncontested riposte is better. Both are infinitely better than +additional chance to riposte or +riposte damage however. Anyway, while I like it, the main point of my above post was just to point out that you mentioned groups and raids, and I was saying that I was not seeing these stats on group or raid gear, myself. Not so far, anyway.</p>

[GorgukGrimmfist]

<p>I am pretty sure the extra reposite chance is intended.  They had to give you guys something to increase your avoidance because agility was changed.  Imagine how soloing would be with next to no base avoidance.  I think they give you guys reposite instead of parry because that seems more inline with your damage dealing role in a group/raid.  Next time you get a new reposite item, take a look at your avoidance and look at how it changes.  Reposite is a good thing.  You wont see the full % value of an increase but that is due to avoidance being on dimishing returns (not contested which is something different) and the fact you have three checks to avoid a hit.  You should see your BASE avoidance change in an amount "close" to the reposite value however.</p>

[Nevao]

<p><cite>GorgukGrimmfist wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am pretty sure the extra reposite chance is intended.  They had to give you guys something to increase your avoidance because agility was changed.  Imagine how soloing would be with next to no base avoidance.  I think they give you guys reposite instead of parry because that seems more inline with your damage dealing role in a group/raid.  Next time you get a new reposite item, take a look at your avoidance and look at how it changes.  Reposite is a good thing.  You wont see the full % value of an increase but that is due to avoidance being on dimishing returns (not contested which is something different) and the fact you have three checks to avoid a hit.  You should see your BASE avoidance change in an amount "close" to the reposite value however.</p></blockquote><p>According to what we were told in Beta it is 100% intended. It's meant for the soloing rogue and some grouping. Raid gear does not have it, at least what I've seen so far.</p>

[Umub]

<p>Thanks for the information. I don't have a brawler alt and didn't realize that +riposte chance was uncontested. I guess I would alter my statement then to say that while I will carry some +riposte items for soloing (to swap in and out with other gear). I can't imagine wanting +riposte damage over all the other forms of DPS mod that I could choose from.</p><p>I realize that it's a bit different for other scouts, but as a ranger I spend 90+% of my time doing my DPS while the mobs is too far from me to hit me. So some extra DPS for the odd occasion that I do riposte something just isn't useful. Extra DPS for auto attack = very useful. Combined with the fact that this gear is supposed to help us get ready for instances where I won't need riposte at all if the tank's doing their job and I'm watching my aggro.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p>I like the extra riposte chance for soloing and even in some groups but I agree that the +riposte damage is totally useless.  It looks like all the solo gear is trading DPS for riposte chance and MA for riposte damage.</p>

[shiala]

<p>problem with these riposte stats is they take up the spot where multi attack should be..</p><p>I still think this was a mistake at least for the faction items?</p><p>As a scout when i solo something that can actually kill me i use Tactics and DPS to kill it before it kills me.</p><p>My ranger would snare kite, assassin stealth or PFT then hit with a big nuke and finish it off , with Brigand walk the plank and point it away from me. All these tactics have one thing in common and its NOT going toe to toe with a mob that is tough enough to kill me.</p><p>If they really wanted to help a soloing scout then where are the scout round shields in DoV?</p><p>please fix and change all the riposte stats to multi attack like you find on similar items ( at least the faction gear !! )</p>