At the summet of the Hold of Rime: The Spire....

[Aneova]

<p>Sits an Ice Dragon Vault and inside this vault is a dragon known as Eirreen The Broken...</p><p><img src="http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee308/Aneova/EQ2_000029.jpg" width="800" height="586" /></p><p>AND I was just wondering A) If anyone has seen opportunity to speak to said dragon, B) If there are any other random quests besides the 2 quests for it, 1 to find the following to slay it.</p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p>The dragon appears in Kraytoc's x4 zone, but I'm not sure if there is any dialogue or lore about it there.  Will keep looking for any info.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>No further info in the x4.  There is a quest to kill this dragon given by one of the dwarves in [Removed for Content].</p>

[Gninja]

<p>I don't believe there is any in game lore about him but we can see if maybe we can post some of his story on the boards for you guys.</p>

[tkia]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't believe there is any in game lore about him but we can see if maybe we can post some of his story on the boards for you guys.</p></blockquote><p>How about you stick it into a book, in game?  And preferably put it somewhere that any aspiring librarian can access it with a bit of effort?  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Banditman]

<p>Do you know what I find a real shame?</p><p>Norrath has SOOOOOO ridiculously many libraries scattered across it's cities and dungeons.  It has SOOOOO much lore attached to it's universe.  Yet, we can't go to any of the libraries and really sit down and read. </p><p>Sure, sometimes a quest takes us to one of these libraries and we pick up a book, however, there really should be a better, more immersive way to simply look at books in these libraries.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>This may be the mob I (mis?)identified in beta as Tarinax.  Some things may need to be reconsidered in that case.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Anaogi@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This may be the mob I (mis?)identified in beta as Tarinax.  Some things may need to be reconsidered in that case.</p></blockquote><p>Tarinax is located in Deathtoll in the Bonemire. That skeletal dragon is Tarinax. He's not alive anymore, nor is he going to return to play a part of Kerafyrm's storyline. He was tasked with guarding Kerafyrm's treasures in Deathtoll and that's what he's gonna do.</p><p>Besides, why would a dragon be working for the Order of Rime, the army that Rallos Zek has raised in order to help fight off Kerafyrm and then take over the rest of Norrath?</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anaogi@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This may be the mob I (mis?)identified in beta as Tarinax.  Some things may need to be reconsidered in that case.</p></blockquote><p>Tarinax is located in Deathtoll in the Bonemire. That skeletal dragon is Tarinax. He's not alive anymore, nor is he going to return to play a part of Kerafyrm's storyline. He was tasked with guarding Kerafyrm's treasures in Deathtoll and that's what he's gonna do.</p><p>Besides, why would a dragon be working for the Order of Rime, the army that Rallos Zek has raised in order to help fight off Kerafyrm and then take over the rest of Norrath?</p></blockquote><p>Wait, what?</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>Yep, he's either very very dead or just incredibly epicly "not feeling well"... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />  </p><p>Here's a pic from EQ2i of <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tarinax.jpg" target="_blank">Tarinax in Deathtoll</a> ... And <a href="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061027032944/eq2/images/archive/8/86/20071215141155%21Tarinax.jpg" target="_blank">another image</a>, with the nameplate off</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>Explanation to the confused--got to see the insides of this raid during beta.  During that (quick, not really in-depth) tour, I saw what I clearly mistakenly thought was Tarinax.  (No, no screenshot sadly.)</p><p>Either my graphic settings led to misidentification, or the Tarinax model was acting as a placeholder at the time.  Either way, I seem to have set off a false lead into the goings-on in this expansion, which are well disclosed in the thread for the DoV Signature Quest line on this board.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>No, no, I was talking about the Order of Rime being Rallos Zek's army.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Well, it's not like he formed the army directly, but he did order the giants in Kael Drakkel to form the Order of Rime as a division of their military that focuses on invasions.</p>

[Morghus]

<p>Would be interesting if there was any actual lore to this dragon, a refreshing change after having 0 lore regarding Waansu or Zarrakon in the past.</p><p>Literally, this is all that we know:</p><p>Zarrakon:</p><p>He protects Mayong's treasure.</p><p>He lives underneath the castle.</p><p>He is vampiric.</p><p>Waansu:</p><p>He is in a container in Perah's lab.</p><p>He looks sort of like Delahnus.</p><p>He is killed by being blown apart by volatile laboratory specimens.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>It seems I was mistaken about my previous comment about the Rime army.</p><p>It wasn't formed by Kael Drakkel's military, but rather by Velkator himself. He formed the army in hopes of getting revenge on Kael Drakkel for banishing him for his experiments in the first place. The Order of Rime decided they liked working for the giants better, betrayed Velkator, and turned him into a frozen trophy on display.</p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p>Any update or ETA on lore or a little background story?</p>

[Barx]

<p>Would be nice... kind of a shame for so many of the major targets (especially dragons) to just be a name with a treasure chest, heh.</p>

[Gninja]

<p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p>GAH! you made me click this thread thinking there was a Lore update/explanation.  /goes back to trolling other threads</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p></blockquote><p>The description of Velkator's Labyrinth from the EQ Atlas (official canon to EQlore as it was developed directly by SOE and not a publisher like Brady Games or anything) talks about how Velkator was pretty much exiled from Kael Drakkel for his experiments. Exactly what his experiments were and what caused him to be exiled because of it isn't mentioned, so it's a bit hazy. As far as I've been able to make out from bits and pieces made of quest text, other lore channel users, and rumors, Velkator created the Order of Rime with the intention of getting back at Kael Drakkel, if not going completely to war with the giants in order to get his revenge for being exiled. However, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, the Order of Rime actually liked the idea of working with the giants instead and betrayed Velkator.</p><p>Is this all completely true? I don't know, you tell me, since you're the developer. Is there *SOME* truth in all this? Yes. Is there enough information out there to actually change my thought process of this concieved story? Absolutely not, and that is where the problem lies. Just not enough lore to actually put together an actual answer.</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p>I don't know if I buy them being allies with Kael.  Having done all the Kael zones, seeing some of the lore, there's no mention of the Rime anywhere.  Not even in Eastern Wastes.  You would think if they were working together, there would be a Rime emissary, Lord, something in Kael/EW.  For now they seem to be confined basically to Great Divide and their fortress, and their background is still mysterious.</p>

[Gninja]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p></blockquote><p>The description of Velkator's Labyrinth from the EQ Atlas (official canon to EQlore as it was developed directly by SOE and not a publisher like Brady Games or anything) talks about how Velkator was pretty much exiled from Kael Drakkel for his experiments. Exactly what his experiments were and what caused him to be exiled because of it isn't mentioned, so it's a bit hazy. As far as I've been able to make out from bits and pieces made of quest text, other lore channel users, and rumors, Velkator created the Order of Rime with the intention of getting back at Kael Drakkel, if not going completely to war with the giants in order to get his revenge for being exiled. However, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, the Order of Rime actually liked the idea of working with the giants instead and betrayed Velkator.</p><p>Is this all completely true? I don't know, you tell me, since you're the developer. Is there *SOME* truth in all this? Yes. Is there enough information out there to actually change my thought process of this concieved story? Absolutely not, and that is where the problem lies. Just not enough lore to actually put together an actual answer.</p></blockquote><p>Well to clear up a bit of confusion Velketor did not create the Order of Rime. He did however create Kraytoc who then in turn overthrew Velketor and gave him a "cool" new home and went to later create the Order of Rime with himself and his brothers at the lead.</p><p>The part about Velketor being thrown out of Kael and banished etc. is all true. The Rime are by no means allies with Kael.</p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p></blockquote><p>The description of Velkator's Labyrinth from the EQ Atlas (official canon to EQlore as it was developed directly by SOE and not a publisher like Brady Games or anything) talks about how Velkator was pretty much exiled from Kael Drakkel for his experiments. Exactly what his experiments were and what caused him to be exiled because of it isn't mentioned, so it's a bit hazy. As far as I've been able to make out from bits and pieces made of quest text, other lore channel users, and rumors, Velkator created the Order of Rime with the intention of getting back at Kael Drakkel, if not going completely to war with the giants in order to get his revenge for being exiled. However, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, the Order of Rime actually liked the idea of working with the giants instead and betrayed Velkator.</p><p>Is this all completely true? I don't know, you tell me, since you're the developer. Is there *SOME* truth in all this? Yes. Is there enough information out there to actually change my thought process of this concieved story? Absolutely not, and that is where the problem lies. Just not enough lore to actually put together an actual answer.</p></blockquote><p>Well to clear up a bit of confusion Velketor did not create the Order of Rime. He did however create Kraytoc who then in turn overthrew Velketor and gave him a "cool" new home and went to later create the Order of Rime with himself and his brothers at the lead.</p><p>The part about Velketor being thrown out of Kael and banished etc. is all true. The Rime are by no means allies with Kael.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the clarification.  Any update on any lore/info on Eireen the Broken and reason the dragon is being held by Kraytoc/Rime?</p>

[Rijacki]

<p><cite>SgtPmpkn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p></blockquote><p>The description of Velkator's Labyrinth from the EQ Atlas (official canon to EQlore as it was developed directly by SOE and not a publisher like Brady Games or anything) talks about how Velkator was pretty much exiled from Kael Drakkel for his experiments. Exactly what his experiments were and what caused him to be exiled because of it isn't mentioned, so it's a bit hazy. As far as I've been able to make out from bits and pieces made of quest text, other lore channel users, and rumors, Velkator created the Order of Rime with the intention of getting back at Kael Drakkel, if not going completely to war with the giants in order to get his revenge for being exiled. However, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, the Order of Rime actually liked the idea of working with the giants instead and betrayed Velkator.</p><p>Is this all completely true? I don't know, you tell me, since you're the developer. Is there *SOME* truth in all this? Yes. Is there enough information out there to actually change my thought process of this concieved story? Absolutely not, and that is where the problem lies. Just not enough lore to actually put together an actual answer.</p></blockquote><p>Well to clear up a bit of confusion Velketor did not create the Order of Rime. He did however create Kraytoc who then in turn overthrew Velketor and gave him a "cool" new home and went to later create the Order of Rime with himself and his brothers at the lead.</p><p>The part about Velketor being thrown out of Kael and banished etc. is all true. The Rime are by no means allies with Kael.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the clarification.  Any update on any lore/info on Eireen the Broken and reason the dragon is being held by Kraytoc/Rime?</p></blockquote><p>Cheap heating system for the fortress *smirk*</p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Cheap heating system for the fortress *smirk*</p></blockquote><p>I'd even take that if it became canon.  But it must cost them a fortune in repair costs, considering he/she's -Broken-</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Out of curiosity Cusa where are you getting those references?</p></blockquote><p>The description of Velkator's Labyrinth from the EQ Atlas (official canon to EQlore as it was developed directly by SOE and not a publisher like Brady Games or anything) talks about how Velkator was pretty much exiled from Kael Drakkel for his experiments. Exactly what his experiments were and what caused him to be exiled because of it isn't mentioned, so it's a bit hazy. As far as I've been able to make out from bits and pieces made of quest text, other lore channel users, and rumors, Velkator created the Order of Rime with the intention of getting back at Kael Drakkel, if not going completely to war with the giants in order to get his revenge for being exiled. However, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, the Order of Rime actually liked the idea of working with the giants instead and betrayed Velkator.</p><p>Is this all completely true? I don't know, you tell me, since you're the developer. Is there *SOME* truth in all this? Yes. Is there enough information out there to actually change my thought process of this concieved story? Absolutely not, and that is where the problem lies. Just not enough lore to actually put together an actual answer.</p></blockquote><p>Well to clear up a bit of confusion Velketor did not create the Order of Rime. He did however create Kraytoc who then in turn overthrew Velketor and gave him a "cool" new home and went to later create the Order of Rime with himself and his brothers at the lead.</p><p>The part about Velketor being thrown out of Kael and banished etc. is all true. The Rime are by no means allies with Kael.</p></blockquote><p>Ahh, thank you for clarifying. I must have read too much into Kraytoc's connection. I knew the Rime was connected to Velkator somehow, and now that you mention it, I think I remember hearing that Velk created Kraytoc specifically. I guess I must have started figuring:</p><p>Velkator created Kraytoc</p><p>Kraytoc created the Order of Rime</p><p>Therefore, Velkator created the Order of Rime</p><p>That sort of thing.</p>

[Gninja]

<blockquote><p>Thanks for the clarification.  Any update on any lore/info on Eireen the Broken and reason the dragon is being held by Kraytoc/Rime?</p></blockquote><p>Soon(tm) <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote><p>Thanks for the clarification.  Any update on any lore/info on Eireen the Broken and reason the dragon is being held by Kraytoc/Rime?</p></blockquote><p>Soon(tm) <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Hope so.</p>

[Malleria]

<p>My guess would be... Eireen was a test. We find out during the Fallen Swords line that Kraytoc wants to use Yelinak to power the Coalescence of Life. Maybe he captured Eireen and tried to use them to power it, but it required a stronger essence? 'the Broken' could simply refer to Eireen being forced into submission - in the heroic instance we see several duhjalm fighting Eireen inside the vault, but none in the x4.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>My guess would be soon doesn't mean the same thing to everyone.</p>

[Gninja]

<p>Well in this case soon was <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499190" target="_blank">4 months ago</a> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I think the story might have been pushed off the news website. I will try to dig it up and repost it here for ya.</p>

[Banditman]

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[Gninja]

<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499200" target="_blank">Here you go</a></p><p>I know its short but its something in regards to what is going on.</p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p>So its just a testing facility, meant for the Dragon that's chilling with the Coldain.</p><p>It looks like they succeded in Breaking the Dragon because now the Dragon is named <span ><em>Eireen the Broken.</em></span></p><p>The Fortress Spire is meant to be a prision for<span ><em> Yelinak, and itseems that the Rime have some kind of speical magic or techinque useful in bending the Will of Dragons.</em></span></p><p>Did Rallos Zek order them to do this to ensure Yelinak would be unable to join the battle against Kael in Skyshrine (Seeing how Killingfrost betrayed Velks, perhaps the Rime are on better terms with the Giants now. They seem to be working hard at keeping the Coldain away from the greater battle against Kael)? Or are the Rime just doing this on their own? Does the Captured Iksar bard have anything to do with this?</p><p>Also, Seems originally they planned to have Vul'Duh in the ascent contain Yelinak in that pool where you place the Veeshan Claw. Looks like we jacked that plan up for them. Found that bit neat, I guess.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did Rallos Zek order them to do this to ensure Yelinak would be unable to join the battle against Kael in Skyshrine (Seeing how Killingfrost betrayed Velks, perhaps the Rime are on better terms with the Giants now. They seem to be working hard at keeping the Coldain away from the greater battle against Kael)? Or are the Rime just doing this on their own? Does the Captured Iksar bard have anything to do with this?</p></blockquote><p>A few pages back Gninja said the Rime arn't allies with Kael. So the Rime are tying to capture Yelnik for Kraytok's benifit, not Rallos. Probably they need Yelnik for use with the Coalescence of Life.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499200" target="_blank">Here you go</a></p><p>I know its short but its something in regards to what is going on.</p></blockquote><p>I still say Eirreen is a female name, and the in-game encounter script still refers to them as female as well.</p><p><span >"a frigid energy nodule powers Eirreen's <em><em>Inverted Arctic Blast</em></em>, and adds to her already fearsome power!</span></p>

[denmom]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=499200" target="_blank">Here you go</a></p><p>I know its short but its something in regards to what is going on.</p></blockquote><p>Ahah...Duncan...he's one of the two adds in the first named x4 fight.</p><p>I'm glad he's on my raiding guild's regular farming runs.  A bit of revenge for the poor dragon.</p>

[Felshades]

<p>Dumb question.</p><p>Who and what is Kraytoc? And why did Velk make him?</p><p>I miss a bunch of this stuff <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>