Free Server Transfers

[Muusic]

<h3>Velious rewards announced: February 24: Free Transfer Day</h3><p align="left">"One day only! Get a free character transfer token from the in-game Marketplace and choose your own server. Up to five moves allowed per account."</p><p align="left">Ok.. So what do the players on Nagafen/Vox get on this day? An explanation of why we deserve once again to be an area that SOE "is not currently focused on"?</p><p align="left">By the way, Thanks again Ohilin for allowing the level 90's to openly gank the lower level crafting toons trying to get Othmir factions. Great to see the huge threat of a woodworker will not go unchallenged!</p>

[Brigh]

Are you saying that the zones are unlimited?

[threat111]

<p>Transfer enabled servers get an item worth $25.  Policy-based restricted servers get reminded that they are second class subscription holders.  Another example of why your $15 a month is less valueble then some one that plays on a PVE server.</p><p>I encourage all of you interested in transfers to attempt to redeem this promotion.  Let your voice be heard.</p>

[Laiina]

<p><cite>Muusic@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><h3>Velious rewards announced: February 24: Free Transfer Day</h3><p align="left">By the way, Thanks again Ohilin for allowing the level 90's to openly gank the lower level crafting toons trying to get Othmir factions. Great to see the huge threat of a woodworker will not go unchallenged!</p></blockquote><p>That is funny, yet sad. The sad part is mostly the players that are doing the ganking in such zones.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>Nagafen, Vox, and Bazzar should get something too, none of these servers can make use of the token.  Even if it becomes available to xfer off these servers, something that is not currently being considered based off a brief PM conversation yesterday, these tokens will have vanished by then.</p><p>If we are going to be second-class citizens, could you at least lower our subscription cost?</p>

[Alazarz]

<p>Give us station cash atleast..</p>

[Gaige]

<p>Its a promotion, you don't qualify for it.  Too bad.  They don't have to reimburse you something else for a freaking promotion.  Such entitlement issues!</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p>If a toon on Nag wants to transfer to a PVE server, that seems okay to me.</p><p>I would prefer that toons on Vox not be allowed to transfer to Nag.</p>

[MindFury]

<p>I think it's rather "nice" of SOE to offer this, I do however really wish they'd allow transfers off pvp servers. The community and pvp style that's been adopted by players as of late, really makes me wish half my toons and plat were elsewhere.</p><p>I would love nothing more than to be able to transfer a cpl 90's and some of my plat to another server for a change of pace. The ability to still play the game and have fun, and get away from the twits on pvp for a bit would be fantastic. I still enjoy pvp, but lord sometimes I want a break, but am hindered by the simple fact I've played too long to start a new toon, on a new server, with no means to get anywhere any time soon. I don't wish to play the game as a newbie, building up plat to get gear/aa to make me effective enough to enjoy the game, not after playing for 6+ yrs. That's one of the perks to being able to share your monies on your account, if they'd allow that across server then cool that eliminates me needing to transfer a toon !</p><p>SOE PLEASE consider this for the near future!! I'm getting burned out on the swarm/gank style mentality of these new pvpers in their mad rush to gain tokens by any means possible, 50 vs 2 isn't pvp, 100 vs 20 isn't pv...it's tiring and dull. Let those of us who'd like to transfer a cpl toons and some plat over to a pve server do so, it'd be a great change of pace, and keep us from completely cancelling our accounts. Or at least make plat shareable cross server PLEASE!!</p>

[Ol]

<p>They should just allow transfers to/from pvp servers already</p>

[Muusic]

<p>No response from the Devs on this one?</p>

[Surculus]

<p>I don't know why they won't allow the transfer to and from PVP servers, there are so many people out there that want this to happen.</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<p>Good luck getting a red name to respond here.  This topic has been largely ignored by them the past several years.  The original reason was that the main system of the game types are not matching (IE PvP and PvE) and it would not work.  I never believed it.  I think it was just laziness, and in my opinion BG's proves this.</p><p>Still I don't see it happening.  There was a huge outcry when they said they were never going to do PvP and they finally did after a few years of listening to people complain about not having it.  They have actually poured a lot of resources into PvP (granted, its the wrong things they are focused on most of the time, but it is there) and just giving that up and letting people leave and basicly be the end of PvP. </p><p>My 2 cents at least.</p>

[Surculus]

<p><cite>Denna@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good luck getting a red name to respond here.  This topic has been largely ignored by them the past several years.  The original reason was that the main system of the game types are not matching (IE PvP and PvE) and it would not work.  I never believed it.  I think it was just laziness, and in my opinion BG's proves this.</p><p>Still I don't see it happening.  There was a huge outcry when they said they were never going to do PvP and they finally did after a few years of listening to people complain about not having it.  They have actually poured a lot of resources into PvP (granted, its the wrong things they are focused on most of the time, but it is there) and just giving that up and letting people leave and basicly be the end of PvP.</p><p>My 2 cents at least.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think it will bring an end to it. there also has been a lot of PVEers that wish to transfer to Nagafen, seen that in a lot of these types of posts before.</p>

[Tenka]

<p><cite>Osik@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They should just allow transfers to/from pvp servers already</p></blockquote>

[ysslik]

<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Its a promotion, you don't qualify for it.  Too bad.  They don't have to reimburse you something else for a freaking promotion.  Such entitlement issues!</p></blockquote><p> hmm we dont qualify i thought my 15 bucks a month qualifys me to have the same content and special "promotions" as everyone else.Why dont we qualify because we made a choice with are money to roll on a red (test or bazzar for tose of you on them) server so there for we are not entitled to what a blue server can get.</p><p>Think of the outrage.watching the forums blow up in pure hate calling it "unfair" saying "we dont have that give it to us or make them lose it" if a red server got something a blue server didnt...........................oh wait it has happened before.</p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Denna@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good luck getting a red name to respond here.  This topic has been largely ignored by them the past several years.  The original reason was that the main system of the game types are not matching (IE PvP and PvE) and it would not work.  I never believed it.  I think it was just laziness, and in my opinion BG's proves this.</p></blockquote><p>Thats not quite true, they actually said plenty times that there are no transfers between special rule set servers and standard servers planned. I know it isnt the answer many people like to hear, but saying they ignore the topic largely is not true.</p>

[threat111]

<p><cite>Tenka@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Osik@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They should just allow transfers to/from pvp servers already</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  </p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well?</p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon.</p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere?</p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join.</p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers?</div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Denna@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good luck getting a red name to respond here.  This topic has been largely ignored by them the past several years.  The original reason was that the main system of the game types are not matching (IE PvP and PvE) and it would not work.  I never believed it.  I think it was just laziness, and in my opinion BG's proves this.</p><p>Still I don't see it happening.  There was a huge outcry when they said they were never going to do PvP and they finally did after a few years of listening to people complain about not having it.  They have actually poured a lot of resources into PvP (granted, its the wrong things they are focused on most of the time, but it is there) <span style="color: #ff0000;">and just giving that up and letting people leave and basicly be the end of PvP. </span></p><p>My 2 cents at least.</p></blockquote><p>For many it has already been the end. I gave up 99% of my time on pvp server trying to get groups in T8 and so time marched on and now we have a cap of 90 making it even harder. 2 years of my pvp server life wasted since I can't transfer.</p>

[threat111]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  </p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well?</p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon.</p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere?</p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join.</p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers?</div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></blockquote><p>First, why would you automatically assume you would have to give up anything.  The only reasonable thing to accept losing would be any item that doesnt natrually exist on a pve server.</p><p>Second, this thread doesnt contain 1/10th the information as the one in the General Feedback section. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=489228">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=489228</a></p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Cesium@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  </p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well?</p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon.</p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere?</p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join.</p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers?</div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></blockquote><p>First, why would you automatically assume you would have to give up anything.  The only reasonable thing to accept losing would be any item that doesnt natrually exist on a pve server.</p><p>Second, this thread doesnt contain 1/10th the information as the one in the General Feedback section. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=489228">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=489228</a></p></blockquote><p>Are you saying it is fair for a person on Vox to spend real money to equip their toon with everything possible (or buy a toon so equipped) and then transfer to Nag and perhaps instantly become king of the hill?</p><p>A new player could sign up on Vox, buy a level 90 adventurer with all the best gear, level 90 crafting ability, level 90 tinkering ability, and level 90 transmuting ability and then transfer to Nag 2 hours later and dominate players in battle and on the broker who have worked on their toon for three years.  Is that fair?</p><p>It kind of seems you think that is okay since you ask why assume you would have to give up anything.</p><p>You do seem willing at least to give up PVP armor when transfering from Nag to a PVE server since you say it would be reasonable to give up items that do not naturally occur on a PVE server.</p>

[Rayne Singer]

<p>I would give up everything related to PVP, duh, that's seems so obvious. Other than that, I'd give up what anyone transferring from a PVE to PVE server gives up, which is anything that didn't belong to them and everthing in the shared bank.</p><p>I am very disappointed. I know solid reason was telling me that even though the token offer was there it still didn't apply to me on Naggy. But I still hoped, I still tried.   They could allow the transfer if they wanted to. They don't want to. So, yes, that makes my 7 years and $15/mo worth less to them than those on PVE servers.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Rayne Singer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would give up everything related to PVP, duh, that's seems so obvious. Other than that, I'd give up what anyone transferring from a PVE to PVE server gives up, which is anything that didn't belong to them and everthing in the shared bank.</p><p>I am very disappointed. I know solid reason was telling me that even though the token offer was there it still didn't apply to me on Naggy. But I still hoped, I still tried.   They could allow the transfer if they wanted to. They don't want to. So, yes, that makes my 7 years and $15/mo worth less to them than those on PVE servers.</p></blockquote><p>Would you first equip your toon with 8 sumac storage boxes and load those boxes with everything in the shared bank including all the plat?</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  <span style="color: #ff0000;">If you bothered to read the original thread on allowing pvp transfers, everyone has stated they would be willing to give up any pvp server exclusive gear -- so there is no issue with this.</span></p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well? <span style="color: #ff0000;">If it is allowable when PvE server transfers occur, then yes; if it is not, then no.</span></p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon. <span style="color: #ff0000;">You do not have to give up masters when you betray anymore and have not had to for at least 6 months now.</span></p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere? <span style="color: #ff0000;">I would not demand transfers from Vox, as it has already been answered in another thread by the Devs that this cannot legally occur due to contractual obligations with LG.</span></p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join. <span style="color: #ff0000;">See previous response.</span></p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers? <span style="color: #ff0000;">See previous response.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs. <span style="color: #ff0000;">If you get flamed it is due to your lack of knowledge prior to making your self righteous post and has nothing to do with the lack of a dev response.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen. <span style="color: #ff0000;">No one has addressed them in this thread because they have ALL been addressed already.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">You also asked:</span> </p><p>Would you first equip your toon with 8 sumac storage boxes and load those boxes with everything in the shared bank including all the plat? <span style="color: #ff0000;">If this is allowed in PvE to PvE server transfers, then yes -- still with the exception that pvp server only gear will not transfer. Why should anything beyond that be restricted IF anything beyond that is currently allowable during transfers?</span></p></blockquote>

[Rayne Singer]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rayne Singer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would give up everything related to PVP, duh, that's seems so obvious. Other than that, I'd give up what anyone transferring from a PVE to PVE server gives up, which is anything that didn't belong to them and everthing in the shared bank.</p><p>I am very disappointed. I know solid reason was telling me that even though the token offer was there it still didn't apply to me on Naggy. But I still hoped, I still tried.   They could allow the transfer if they wanted to. They don't want to. So, yes, that makes my 7 years and $15/mo worth less to them than those on PVE servers.</p></blockquote><p>Would you first equip your toon with 8 sumac storage boxes and load those boxes with everything in the shared bank including all the plat?</p><p> Um, is there any common sense to this question?  I would do what anyone transferring from a PVE to a PVE server would do. Did you read? 7 years of irreplaceable items. 7 years of brining that one toon up to 90. 7 years of buying stuff. Surprisingly I have less plat compared to others playing that long, but why shouldn't I? If I transferred from PVE to PVE I would do the same. </p></blockquote>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  <span style="color: #ff0000;">If you bothered to read the original thread on allowing pvp transfers, everyone has stated they would be willing to give up any pvp server exclusive gear -- so there is no issue with this.</span></p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well? <span style="color: #ff0000;">If it is allowable when PvE server transfers occur, then yes; if it is not, then no.</span></p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon. <span style="color: #ff0000;">You do not have to give up masters when you betray anymore and have not had to for at least 6 months now.</span></p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere? <span style="color: #ff0000;">I would not demand transfers from Vox, as it has already been answered in another thread by the Devs that this cannot legally occur due to contractual obligations with LG.</span></p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join. <span style="color: #ff0000;">See previous response.</span></p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers? <span style="color: #ff0000;">See previous response.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs. <span style="color: #ff0000;">If you get flamed it is due to your lack of knowledge prior to making your self righteous post and has nothing to do with the lack of a dev response.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen. <span style="color: #ff0000;">No one has addressed them in this thread because they have ALL been addressed already.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">You also asked:</span> </p><p>Would you first equip your toon with 8 sumac storage boxes and load those boxes with everything in the shared bank including all the plat? <span style="color: #ff0000;">If this is allowed in PvE to PvE server transfers, then yes -- still with the exception that pvp server only gear will not transfer. Why should anything beyond that be restricted IF anything beyond that is currently allowable during transfers?</span></p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Thank you for responding to the questions.  </p><p>I saw no link in this thread to a prior existing thread.  Nor did I see any mention of a prior existing thread before I posted.</p><p>Instead of criticizing me for not knowing about all prior threads that address this subject, perhaps you could provide such a link to the one prior thread you think is important.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Rayne Singer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rayne Singer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would give up everything related to PVP, duh, that's seems so obvious. Other than that, I'd give up what anyone transferring from a PVE to PVE server gives up, which is anything that didn't belong to them and everthing in the shared bank.</p><p>I am very disappointed. I know solid reason was telling me that even though the token offer was there it still didn't apply to me on Naggy. But I still hoped, I still tried.   They could allow the transfer if they wanted to. They don't want to. So, yes, that makes my 7 years and $15/mo worth less to them than those on PVE servers.</p></blockquote><p>Would you first equip your toon with 8 sumac storage boxes and load those boxes with everything in the shared bank including all the plat?</p><p> Um, is there any common sense to this question?  I would do what anyone transferring from a PVE to a PVE server would do. Did you read? 7 years of irreplaceable items. 7 years of brining that one toon up to 90. 7 years of buying stuff. Surprisingly I have less plat compared to others playing that long, but why shouldn't I? If I transferred from PVE to PVE I would do the same. </p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Thank you for answering the question.</p>

[Chakos]

<p>There had been no link to a prior existing thread, or even mention thereof, as the OP was directing his question to the Devs about the exclusion of Pvp servers from the free transfers being gifted to every other server, not another thread as to why they *should* be allowed, as this thread has degenerated into (huge run on sentence, I know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" />  ). While I disagree with the OP that because we are not allowed to participate that we should be gifted something else, I do agree with the dissatisfaction of the transfers still not being allowed. Though a free race change -- also a $25 value -- wouldn't be turned down by me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>If you truly care to read the other thread, it is here within the pvp forums -- I'm not going to bother to look for it then post it lol. The thread about LG server transfers (as Vox is one) is in the General Gameplay Discussion forums, iirc -- though it may be back a little way, as I don't believe it's had any activity beyond a couple of days of the Dev response.</p>

[Rayne Singer]

<p>I don't care at all about the loss of any PVP related items. It's all the things that I've accumulated over the years and can't replace that keep me on the stupid Naggy server, hoping that I will be able to transfer to PVE someday.  </p><p>I have ONE level 90 character. 7 year vet. Obviously I don't have the time and resources as others to level up toons. Nor do I have the desire to.  I want the character I have put all my time and effort into to be able to transfer to PVE. I'm sick of Naggy. I don't like the pvp the way it is now. Every reason I had for being on Naggy to begin with is gone. GIVE ME MY TRANSFER!!!!!!!</p>

[Sprin]

<p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There had been no link to a prior existing thread, or even mention thereof, as the OP was directing his question to the Devs about the exclusion of Pvp servers from the free transfers being gifted to every other server, not another thread as to why they *should* be allowed, as this thread has degenerated into (huge run on sentence, I know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" />  ). While I disagree with the OP that because we are not allowed to participate that we should be gifted something else, I do agree with the dissatisfaction of the transfers still not being allowed. Though a free race change -- also a $25 value -- wouldn't be turned down by me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>If you truly care to read the other thread, it is here within the pvp forums -- I'm not going to bother to look for it then post it lol. The thread about LG server transfers (as Vox is one) is in the General Gameplay Discussion forums, iirc -- though it may be back a little way, as I don't believe it's had any activity beyond a couple of days of the Dev response.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for the reply.  </p><p>I will not bother to look for the other thread either, at least not right now.  There have been countless such threads over the years, I am sure.</p><p>At least you are not advocating transfer from Vox to Nag, which has long been a pet peeve of mine.</p>

[Rayne Singer]

<p>May I suggest that we all flood boards and /feedback and petitions with our request?</p><p>I don't care at all about the loss of any PVP related items. It's all the things that I've accumulated over the years and can't replace that keep me on the stupid Naggy server, hoping that I will be able to transfer to PVE someday.  </p><p>I have ONE level 90 character. 7 year vet. Obviously I don't have the time and resources as others to level up toons. Nor do I have the desire to.  I want the character I have put all my time and effort into to be able to transfer to PVE. I'm sick of Naggy. I don't like the pvp the way it is now. Every reason I had for being on Naggy to begin with is gone. GIVE ME MY TRANSFER!!!!!!!</p>

[Madmonte]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Suppose they did allow tranfers to and from Nag and PVE servers.  What would you give up to make the transfer off Nag, if that is where you were?</p><p>Would you be willing to give up your PVP armor?  <span style="color: #ff0000;">Yes...gear is always being reevaluated, it doesn't even matter.</span></p><p>Somebody has already qualified their request by saying they want to transfer not only their toon but also their plat.  Would you demand to transfer your plat as well? <span style="color: #ff0000;">Yes.  </span></p><p>Would you give up your masters?  You have to give up your masters when you betray, or at least you did the last time I betrayed a toon.  <span style="color: #ff0000;">Yes, I'd start completely fresh if it meant not having to be on a dead server.  But I don't think personally masters need to be disallowed, but yes, I'd be willing to give em up</span></p><p>Would you demand to transfer from Vox to another server after using a different mechanism (real money) to equip your toon with everything possible, so you could dominate on Nag or elsewhere?  <span style="color: #ff0000;">What, on Vox?  Are you kidding?  Vox is so dead, noone HAS anything close to the best gear.  Check bloody guildprogress.com Vox is actually DOMINATED by other servers in terms of gear available.  Hello, that's why Vox needs to be saved.</span></p><p>People keep talking about PVP servers, but they have not said what they would give up to tranfer off Vox, or state why it is fair to people on other servers to allow toons from Vox to join.  <span style="color: #ff0000;">Bull that was stated many times in past threads, and discussed quite openly by Vox players.  </span></p><div>If your toon was on Vox would you be willing to give up all gear, all masters and all plat to tranfer with just your adventure level (and possibly your crafting level and possible your AA)?  Is that fair to toons on other servers?</div><div><span style="color: #ff0000;">Why on earth should they give up crafting level and aa?  Can you buy time invested?  And if you say, yes, you can buy the character, remember at some point that time was put in ON that character.  Live Gamer is practically dead on Vox compared to how it was 3 years ago, many of the few people left buying toons are doing so to transfer them to EQ2X now.  I honestly think real money transactions for either plat or characters are done more on blue servers now than they are on Vox.  Prove me wrong.</span></div><div></div><div></div><div>I suppose I will get flamed.  If so, you will have your answer for why these transfer proposals are not publically addressed by devs.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Basically, all these questions boil down to what you would give up to transfer and why you think it is fair to toons on the server to which you want to transfer.  So far, nobody has addressed these questions in this thread, that I have seen.</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></blockquote>

[Madmonte]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">And what of having 7, 8, 9 level 90 crafters?</span></p>

[Rayne Singer]

<p><cite>Madmonte wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">And what of having 7, 8, 9 level 90 crafters?</span></p>I DON'T  WANT TO REROLL. I should not have to. I should have the right to transfer my one level 90 character, or the person with the crafters should be able to transfer as those on pvp to pvp, stripped of anything pvp related of course.  I have IRREPLACEable items. I don't care how easy it is. I WANT my TRANSFER!!!</blockquote>

[Tenka]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p></blockquote><p>the game is too old and not enough fun to go thru all of that.  2 90/250's  with full bg/pvp gear and 1 of them is full mastered.  if i quit my other hobbies yeah i could duplicate this in a couple months, but i've been at this game for like 6 years.  and besides, i have no desire to chain myself to the desk to do something i've already done.  just take my money and let me off the [Removed for Content] server.  ez fix.</p>

[Laurenzo41]

<p>I just recieved my first EVER "Banned" (on my other account of course)</p><p>Not just in 7 years of EQII play, but ever, as in never ever in my entire life has this happened for anything for any reason.    I must really feel very strongly about this   SOE</p><p>Now, would you please give me my transfer from Naggy to AB </p>

[Shareana]

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[IcterusGalbula]

<p>Two days ago I was playing a toon on Nag and noticed a brief conversation in chat.  Somebody was looking to buy a level 90 assassin with 250+ AA.</p><p>Somebody responded and said they had a level 81 that they would grind to 90 if the price was right.</p><p>I thought for a moment that I must have been on Vox without realizing it.  So, I double-checked and saw I really was on Nag.  Then I thought the two people in chat must have been talking about a toon on Vox.  So, I scrollled up the text in the chat window to read the entire conversation.  However, it seemed I had already read the entire conversation.</p><p>That got me thinking either:</p><p>1.  I must not have scrolled up enough to find out when the conversation really did start</p><p>or</p><p>2. Perhaps there is some 'underground' toon selling taking place on Nag.</p><p>or</p><p>3. Maybe EQ2 allows toons on Nag to be bought and sold and I just did not realize it.</p><p>The later 2 possiblities might relate to the subject of this thread: transferring toons to a different server.  </p><p>However, even if toons can be bought and sold on Nag, that is still nothing close to what takes place on Vox, where gear can be purchased with real money and then the toon sold.</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Two days ago I was playing a toon on Nag and noticed a brief conversation in chat.  Somebody was looking to buy a level 90 assassin with 250+ AA.</p><p>Somebody responded and said they had a level 81 that they would grind to 90 if the price was right.</p><p>I thought for a moment that I must have been on Vox without realizing it.  So, I double-checked and saw I really was on Nag.  Then I thought the two people in chat must have been talking about a toon on Vox.  So, I scrollled up the text in the chat window to read the entire conversation.  However, it seemed I had already read the entire conversation.</p><p>That got me thinking either:</p><p>1.  I must not have scrolled up enough to find out when the conversation really did start</p><p>or</p><p>2. Perhaps there is some 'underground' toon selling taking place on Nag.</p><p>or</p><p>3. Maybe EQ2 allows toons on Nag to be bought and sold and I just did not realize it.</p><p>The later 2 possiblities might relate to the subject of this thread: transferring toons to a different server.  </p><p>However, even if toons can be bought and sold on Nag, that is still nothing close to what takes place on Vox, where gear can be purchased with real money and then the toon sold.</p></blockquote><p>Toons cannot legally be bought or sold on any non-LG live server; this is something that you will see on any server, not just Nagafen. It is a bannable offense iirc, which makes people doing it in open channels a sad reflection of SoE's attempts at policing it. So this "underground" is hardly unique to Naggy.</p><p>So this has nothing to do with allowing transfers to / from Nagafen, but it would be nice if SoE did a better job at policing this type of activity, regardless of server.</p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p></blockquote><p>What a stupid thing to say. So you'd spend 7 years on a toon then be happy with just re-rolling? Why should you have to? Tbh that's exactly what I did but I'd still like to transfer off Naggie just for all the ingame items I'd claimed on what was my main at one stage.</p><p>Should of claimed the [Removed for Content] transfer tokens, tried to use them (if you could even claim them on 'special' rule set servers) and all sent in a bug report that the special feature of the day was BROKEN!</p><p>Now bg's exist and yes I do know they are completely different to PvP there is not as much reason not to allow transfers. Everyone now has access to PvP gear as everyone has access to masters.</p><p>Old stupid rule not allowing transfers now. The reasons for not allowing them seem null and void with all the changes over the last couple of years.</p>

[Tenka]

<p><cite>Baubo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just reroll, om fg, it takes less then a week to get to 90 if you know how to do it, and once your 90, jump in a few groups, get a few masters, and your plat is back up and you can buy spells and get better, and cap aa in a couple weeks of questing... all the "hard work" you put into your old character is not "hard work" anymore.... SOE dumbed the game down so there is no hard work required anymore...</p></blockquote><p>Now bg's exist and yes I do know they are completely different to PvP there is not as much reason not to allow transfers. Everyone now has access to PvP gear as everyone has access to masters.</p><p>Old stupid rule not allowing transfers now. The reasons for not allowing them seem null and void with all the changes over the last couple of years.</p></blockquote><p>the only real dif between pvp and bg is that you can't gank and zerg in bg like you can on nagafen.  in bg you can't float around on your flying mount waiting to gank a quester.  in bg you (typically) are facing a team with the same number of ppl as yours.</p><p>but yeah.  still waiting for someone to pull their head out of their backside and let me off of nagafen.</p>

[Madmonte]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>However, even if toons can be bought and sold on Nag, that is still nothing close to what takes place on Vox, where gear can be purchased with real money and then the toon sold.</p></blockquote><p>Again, gear CANNOT be purchased with real money on Vox.  Let's get that right.  Even though the Live Gamer contract screws us from a server merge, even if it WAS a possibility that Vox COULD merge, don't spread that propaganda, as that is the one thing non exchange servers don't understand about exchange servers, and one of the big reasons people are opposed to even the idea of having an LG server merged into them.</p><p>You can buy and sell toons, but you can NOT just buy gear.  And since Vox and Bazaar are so far behind in progression due to population issues, you can't even buy toons that are up to snuff with blue server standards of gear.  For example, no guild on Vox killed even one mob in wing 2 of underfoot depths last expansion.  Therefore, there was no gear on Vox from wing 2 of underfoot depths. </p><p>Would having our toons merge into you LESS geared than you are really effect you all that much?  Research fact before you post ignorance.</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Madmonte wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>However, even if toons can be bought and sold on Nag, that is still nothing close to what takes place on Vox, where gear can be purchased with real money and then the toon sold.</p></blockquote><p>Again, gear CANNOT be purchased with real money on Vox.  Let's get that right.  Even though the Live Gamer contract screws us from a server merge, even if it WAS a possibility that Vox COULD merge, don't spread that propaganda, as that is the one thing non exchange servers don't understand about exchange servers, and one of the big reasons people are opposed to even the idea of having an LG server merged into them.</p><p>You can buy and sell toons, but you can NOT just buy gear.  And since Vox and Bazaar are so far behind in progression due to population issues, you can't even buy toons that are up to snuff with blue server standards of gear.  For example, no guild on Vox killed even one mob in wing 2 of underfoot depths last expansion.  Therefore, there was no gear on Vox from wing 2 of underfoot depths. </p><p>Would having our toons merge into you LESS geared than you are really effect you all that much?  Research fact before you post ignorance.</p></blockquote><p>Ya sorta just proved in your own words that people buy gear... now of course, like you said, gear is far behind compared to other servers... but when you can get a toon to 90 / 200+ in a couple days of PL and you can then attune that gear to said player, that toon being sold is being purchased for their gear, because everyone knows that aa is easy to come by... . ask the people who got 300 aa on 4+ toons on their account in one day of double xp recently...</p><p>The point is, people sell toons that have good gear on them, nobody, especially now, is going to buy a toon with crappy gear... there is no point.</p><p>I personally dont care if someone buys gear on an exchange server vs they pay someone plat to loot rights... there is no difference... but TBH, use THAT argument, not that "we cant buy gear on VOX" because everyone knows thats not the case... just make the point that buying gear on VOX with real money is no different then people buying gear on Naggy with plat... plain and simple</p>

[WillCrusher]

<p>I don't see why SOE doesn't at least allow nekid transfers.  Just let us move the toons.  All gear and all $$ stays behind, and all CA's/spells reset to apprentice.  How would that upset server balance?  I got a 60ish zerker on a blue server that I would love to bring over to Naggy, even nekid.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Madmonte wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>However, even if toons can be bought and sold on Nag, that is still nothing close to what takes place on Vox, where gear can be purchased with real money and then the toon sold.</p></blockquote><p>Again, gear CANNOT be purchased with real money on Vox.  Let's get that right.  Even though the Live Gamer contract screws us from a server merge, even if it WAS a possibility that Vox COULD merge, don't spread that propaganda, as that is the one thing non exchange servers don't understand about exchange servers, and one of the big reasons people are opposed to even the idea of having an LG server merged into them.</p><p>You can buy and sell toons, but you can NOT just buy gear.  And since Vox and Bazaar are so far behind in progression due to population issues, you can't even buy toons that are up to snuff with blue server standards of gear.  For example, no guild on Vox killed even one mob in wing 2 of underfoot depths last expansion.  Therefore, there was no gear on Vox from wing 2 of underfoot depths. </p><p>Would having our toons merge into you LESS geared than you are really effect you all that much?  Research fact before you post ignorance.</p></blockquote><p>Ya sorta just proved in your own words that people buy gear... now of course, like you said, gear is far behind compared to other servers... but when you can get a toon to 90 / 200+ in a couple days of PL and you can then attune that gear to said player, that toon being sold is being purchased for their gear, because everyone knows that aa is easy to come by... . ask the people who got 300 aa on 4+ toons on their account in one day of double xp recently...</p><p>The point is, people sell toons that have good gear on them, nobody, especially now, is going to buy a toon with crappy gear... there is no point.</p><p>I personally dont care if someone buys gear on an exchange server vs they pay someone plat to loot rights... there is no difference... but TBH, use THAT argument, not that "we cant buy gear on VOX" because everyone knows thats not the case... just make the point that buying gear on VOX with real money is no different then people buying gear on Naggy with plat... plain and simple</p></blockquote><p>Is it possible to buy plat with real money on Vox?  I believe it used to be.  I have never tried to buy plat, so I am not 100% sure.</p><p>If it is possible to buy plat with real money, is it not possible to buy Masters with the plat that you bought with real money?</p><p>Is it not possible to buy other items (or 'gear'<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> off the broker using plat that you bought using real money?</p><p>I meant to quote the post by Madmonte but ended up quoting both of you.</p><p>The comment about buying loot rights is a good point.</p>

[Zaviur]

<p>you can buy gear/plat/levels on any server.  I don't see you point..</p>

[Surculus]

<p><cite>Shareana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>This post has moved: <a rel="nofollow" href="/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=445320&post_id=5514258" target="_blank">/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=44532...post_id=5514258</a> Insults are not permitted on these forums.</blockquote><p>Oh good you guys are paying attention! How about you "volunteer" to go get someone who can do something about what so many people want and will happily pay for? WOW does it, seems the devs are trying to turn EQ2 into WOW so why not? C'mon SOE can even make some money off this!</p>

[Demonkill]

<p>SOE PLEASE for the love of god allow us to move our [Removed for Content] characters to a server where we want to play on and enjoy playing on. Some of us on naggy do not even want to be there anymore and would like to move to a pve server, and i am sure others would like the same from a pve to a pvp server. You CAN do it, you just won't for some strange reason. Just listen to what people are telling you and open up transfers.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Huan@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you can buy gear/plat/levels on any server.  I don't see you point..</p></blockquote><p>Can you do it legally and easily on any server.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Huan@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you can buy gear/plat/levels on any server.  I don't see you point..</p></blockquote><p>Can you do it legally and easily on any server.</p></blockquote><p>Yes</p><p>People are always selling PL services for plat on servers. It is completely acceptable and legal</p><p>Gear is often sold (including NoDrop raid gear) esspecially later on in the expansion. Also legal (many people seem to be against it but it is not against the rules).</p><p>Buying Plat? Sure can, people sell it ingame for StationCash Gifting. It has been said by Smoke this is acceptable until the time it becomes completely out of hand.</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Huan@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you can buy gear/plat/levels on any server.  I don't see you point..</p></blockquote><p>Can you do it legally and easily on any server.</p></blockquote><p>Yes</p><p>People are always selling PL services for plat on servers. It is completely acceptable and legal</p><p>Gear is often sold (including NoDrop raid gear) esspecially later on in the expansion. Also legal (many people seem to be against it but it is not against the rules).</p><p>Buying Plat? Sure can, people sell it ingame for StationCash Gifting. It has been said by Smoke this is acceptable until the time it becomes completely out of hand.</p></blockquote><p>Gear, plat and levels can all be purchased legally using real money on any server?</p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p>double-post</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>IcterusGalbula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Huan@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you can buy gear/plat/levels on any server.  I don't see you point..</p></blockquote><p>Can you do it legally and easily on any server.</p></blockquote><p>Yes</p><p>People are always selling PL services for plat on servers. It is completely acceptable and legal</p><p>Gear is often sold (including NoDrop raid gear) esspecially later on in the expansion. Also legal (many people seem to be against it but it is not against the rules).</p><p>Buying Plat? Sure can, people sell it ingame for StationCash Gifting. It has been said by Smoke this is acceptable until the time it becomes completely out of hand.</p></blockquote><p>Gear, plat and levels can all be purchased legally using real money on any server?</p></blockquote><p>Umm that's what I said.</p><p>You can buy plat by selling station cash to people.. and then use that to buy gear or powerleveling.</p><p>All of that perfectly acceptable to SOE.</p>

[Madmonte]

<p>Yeah maybe you can buy crap gear on the broker.  Good luck finding it for a price that is even half worth it financially, all to get geared out in legendary.</p><p>You won't find a Vox toon on the broker with DECENT gear that isn't attuned.  Just not doable...there are so few raid guilds on Vox that anyone that was a scammer like that pretty much gets instabooted, aside from the fact that, without attuning the gear in the first place, how could he keep his raid spot parsing like crap, as a character's overall ability has become very gear oriented.</p><p>Trust me, it is unrealistic to say people are buying gear on Vox, it just doesn't happen that way, and even if there is an exception to the rule in there SOMEWHERE (You can argue semantics all you want), fact is it would be INCREDIBLY rare, to where it becomes a moot point.  Don't condemn players that are on a dying server because of moot points.</p>

[EndevorX]

<p><cite>ysslik wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Its a promotion, you don't qualify for it.  Too bad.  They don't have to reimburse you something else for a freaking promotion.  Such entitlement issues!</p></blockquote><p> hmm we dont qualify i thought my 15 bucks a month qualifys me to have the same content and special "promotions" as everyone else.Why dont we qualify because we made a choice with are money to roll on a red (test or bazzar for tose of you on them) server so there for we are not entitled to what a blue server can get.</p><p>Think of the outrage.watching the forums blow up in pure hate calling it "unfair" saying "we dont have that give it to us or make them lose it" if a red server got something a blue server didnt...........................oh wait it has happened before.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">LOL QFE. But it's different, the game here is cost/benefit...</span></p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p><cite>Madmonte wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah maybe you can buy crap gear on the broker.  Good luck finding it for a price that is even half worth it financially, all to get geared out in legendary.</p><p>You won't find a Vox toon on the broker with DECENT gear that isn't attuned.  Just not doable...there are so few raid guilds on Vox that anyone that was a scammer like that pretty much gets instabooted, aside from the fact that, without attuning the gear in the first place, how could he keep his raid spot parsing like crap, as a character's overall ability has become very gear oriented.</p><p>Trust me, it is unrealistic to say people are buying gear on Vox, it just doesn't happen that way, and even if there is an exception to the rule in there SOMEWHERE (You can argue semantics all you want), fact is it would be INCREDIBLY rare, to where it becomes a moot point.  Don't condemn players that are on a dying server because of moot points.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe you are correct about not being able to find 'decent' gear on the broker, since 'decent' is a subjective term defined by the person who uses it.  Even if I agreed with your definition of 'decent', which I doubt, I guess you do not consider masters to be gear.</p><p>I never said anything about buying unattuned gear when buying a toon.</p><p>So, some people here say you can buy gear on every server and some say you cannot buy gear on Vox.</p><p>The fact is, a new player can join Vox, buy a level 90 adventurer with lots of aa, level 90 crafting ability, level 90 transmuting ability, level 90 tinkering ability and level 450 harvesting ability, then would be able to transfer that toon to another server and compete with and possibly outcompete crafters, harvesters and adventurers who have spent months or years on their toon, even if they cannot instantly dominate in pvp (and since I believe transfering to a pve server from Nag was the original point of the thread, dominating in pvp instantly is a moot point outside of battlegrounds).</p>

[GussJr]

<p>Refreshing to know that I'm not the only one out there that wants to move off of Nag...maybe someday <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

[-Arctura-]

<p>meh. ive waited long enough <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> got my Freeport-server character copy token, someone gifted it to me for plats woot! Im atta here <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>meh. ive waited long enough <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> got my Freeport-server character copy token, someone gifted it to me for plats woot! Im atta here <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>What I don't get is what's the difference from being able to copy a Naggie toon to EQX and transferring to a PvE live server? </p><p>I don't see how $oE can justify the no transfer from PvP to PvE anymore. </p>

[Merlina]

I would love to go to a pve server even if you take all my pvp gear i worked quite hard for, i do not mind about it at all anymore. on our pvp server , the rude people are to many, are you able to get groups going? no not at all. still worth playing on naggy ? no pve seems just so much more relaxed and helpfull then its possible on naggy. i would love to raid a bit again but casual, do i have the chance on naggy? not really as EU guilds are quite rare all together

[Elwin]

<p><strong>CHARACTER TRANSFERS</strong></p><ul><li>Players can now transfer from PVP to PVE servers and from PVE to PVP servers. </li><li>Exchange players can now transfer between the PVP/PVE exchange servers.</li></ul><p>Woohooo! It's a bit late for the free transfers but I'ma getting my warden back! /does a happy dance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Brigh]

are they allowing old pvp gear (the good looking stuff with the procs for abilities on it without toughness) to transfer? They don't give any details on what is allowed to transfer.

[Elwin]

<p>You'd want to hope it's as is or they should of mentioned that. It would only be of any use in Bg's once you'd transferred so I can't see why not.</p><p>I don't know what I'll do with two wardens on PvE but I'll find something lol. I'm so excited!</p>

[SomeDude]

<p><cite>Baubo@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't know what I'll do with two wardens on PvE but I'll find something lol. I'm so excited!</p></blockquote><p>Same here mate, in my case it will be two Furies though. I think I will betray the one to a warden....</p>

[Oobo]

<p>SOE ha sstated numerous times if they ever allowed this the ONLY restriction would be you cant take anything you couldnt attain on the other server....</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Oobo@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>SOE ha sstated numerous times if they ever allowed this the ONLY restriction would be you cant take anything you couldnt attain on the other server....</p></blockquote><p>Rothgar stated in the thread where he asked opinions on transfers to / from PvP servers that they planned everything would transfer if they implemented transfers (after someone asked) due to it being easier on their end, but asked for opinions. He never did relate if any new decision was made in this regard, so it could go either way.</p><p>Confirmation of all gear transferring or not would be great.</p>

[Oobo]

<p>yes and he is referring to END GAME lvl 90s where all the gear is cookie cutter from PVE to PVP/BG</p><p>but again has stated several time sin the past the ONLY resistrictions would be gear the toher server couldnt attain...one example would be the lvl 80 CLass specific gear with that u cant get in BGs..</p><p>but yes a confirmation would rock..</p>

[Chakos]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.</p></blockquote><p>Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.</p><p>Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.</p></blockquote><p>Not referring to the pvp / bg identical gear <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Though Rothgar is incorrect in saying it is inferior gear... unless by equal level / tier he is referring specifically to raid gear. /shrug</p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>Chakos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Both ways, but strip them of the pvp only items.</p></blockquote><p>Any particular reason why?  They shouldn't give any advantage in a PvE setting because they are inferior to equal level/tier items that don't have PvP stats on them.</p><p>Also, if we removed those items it would make the move to PvE more permanent because moving back to PvP would require them to regain the items a second time.</p></blockquote><p>Not referring to the pvp / bg identical gear <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Though Rothgar is incorrect in saying it is inferior gear... unless by equal level / tier he is referring specifically to raid gear. /shrug</p></blockquote><p>If it's a recent quote maybe he's talking about crit mit or the lack of it, now it's the be all and end all of T9.</p><p>Anyway who cares I'm getting my warden back! Ok made myself giggle then.. carry on. </p>