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Caethre
02-09-2011, 05:45 PM
<p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">So my Fury gets a new piece of armour with a red adornment slot, and goes to look at the adornments available. I was debating going for reuse speed or one of the healing focus adornments.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">At the red adornment seller in Paineel, I see an adornment called "Focus: Battle Fury". All the adornment names start with "Focus:", and since it is not named after a spell (like "Focus: Autumn's Kiss VII", "Focus: Death Swarm VIII" or "Focus: Untamed Regeneration VII"), I assume it is a general stat adornment (like "Focus: Sweeping Swings" or "Focus: Armor").</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">However, of course I check the adornment description. It says:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">"Battle Fury reduces reuse time by 10%".</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So I think to myself, a 10% reuse time gain, that's very good indeed!! So, I purchase it and adorn my new Leather Breastplate of Divine Equilibrium that I picked up from Theer last night.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">But then I notice my reuse time stat has not changed! Concerned, I looked around for some other effect, and it took a while to find. Eventually I realized what the adornment *actually* had done. It had applied an extra effect to the previous list of effects granted by my buff "Primal Fury VI", which reduces reuse time when cast. Since I purchased the adornment based on the description of it giving MY CHARACTER a boost of 10% reuse time, not of adding that to a buff which I would be casting on others, this was more than just a little disappointing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600; font-size: small;"><strong>This adornment needs to be renamed to: "Focus: Primal Fury VI", to be in line with all the other adornments that improve spells.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600; font-size: small;"><strong>The description then needs to be rewritten to say "Battle Fury adds an extra effect to Primal Fury VI, to reduce reuse time by 10%".</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Meanwhile, I have to now wait on a CSR person to come along and see if I can get my seals refunded. The alternative is to waste those five hard-earned seals and just buy another adornment, as I most certainly had no intention of adding another effect to my Primal Fury buff.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Sigh.</span> ))</p>

-Arctura-
02-10-2011, 12:53 PM
<p>i feel your pain, there are quite a few badly worded items or abilities lurking around the game.</p><p>my personal fave were deity buffs and spells that would be vague but required a ton of status just to buy it, to find out what it really does lol</p><p>additionally, following the topic of poorly worded or misleading things the Boomerang Bandolier (pvp reward item), says it increases melee reach by 100% for a short duration on use, however it doesnt say that it requires you keep it equipped.</p><p>The simple line of 'if Boomerang Bandolier is equipped', inside that spell buff would suffice, imho.</p><p>wording is super important!</p>

Jaremai
02-10-2011, 01:23 PM
<p>Primal Fury's spell description:</p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">On a successful melee attack this spell has a chance to cast Battle Fury on target. Lasts for 10.0 seconds. This effect will trigger an average of 2.0 times per minute. If a melee attack is used, only the primary weapon can trigger this effect.</span></p><p>So technically it's not adding anything to Primal Fury, but rather the temporary buff granted by Primal Fury that's called Battle Fury.</p><p>Yes, they could do with some better descriptions, but that's why it's called Focus: Battle Fury.</p>

Gaige
02-10-2011, 02:30 PM
<p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The alternative is to waste those five hard-earned seals </span></p></blockquote><p>Pretty hard to clear Toxx once I guess.</p>

Banditman
02-10-2011, 05:32 PM
<p>Honestly, anyone who purchases something without knowing exactly what it applies to and how it should be used really needs to re-evaluate their purchasing habits.</p>

Crismorn
02-10-2011, 05:38 PM
<p>If only their was some way to add a warning on the Motd screen so people could know to be careful when ti comes to adornments.</p>

Caethre
02-10-2011, 06:09 PM
<p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">Banditman, when purchasing something, one goes by the description, and if that description is inaccurate, vague or misleading, as it was in this case, then it will be misunderstood by some players - even by long time veteran players such as myself.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If "purchasing habits" need to include more than reading what looks like very clearly worded English and (shock! horror!) assuming that the description is actually correct, then they do not need re-evaluating at all. Instead, item descriptions need to be correct and unambiguous.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fortunately for me, GM Audleigh agreed that the item description was indeed rather poor, and has since my opening post given me a replacement adornment.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The adornment name and description do need to be corrected, to avoid this kind of mistake recurring with others.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Thank you GM Audleigh! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></strong> </span>))</p>

Kizee
02-11-2011, 10:47 AM
<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The alternative is to waste those five hard-earned seals </span></p></blockquote><p>Pretty hard to clear Toxx once I guess.</p></blockquote><p>I chuckled at that too. If you are killing theer then you would be swimming in seals.</p><p>He/she probably bought the piece and went on a couple pick up raids or something.</p>

Caethre
02-11-2011, 01:36 PM
<p><cite>Shimmer@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I chuckled at that too. If you are killing theer then you would be swimming in seals.</p><p>He/she probably bought the piece and went on a couple pick up raids or something.</p></blockquote><p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">And I am chuckling at your assumptions. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Not that it is relevant to the thread, I will answer your curiosity. I am part of a casual raiding alliance, one that has not been going very long, which has some excellent players who just don't want to be in hardcore guilds. So we can kill PerahCelsis, Theer, etc (easymode of course), but haven't done it that often.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So I am certainly not "swimming in seals". When I recently spent 45 to upgrade my monk's tier1 legs to tier2, and another 30 to upgrade my Fury's boots in the same manner, I had very few left indeed. So yes, 5 seals is still very precious to me.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Not everyone is a hardcore raider you know, and has stacks of the things. And assuming all of those who are not must be garbage players who can't kill things, wouldn't be a good assumption <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">So I am very grateful to the GM who assisted me with this.</span> ))</p>

Banditman
02-11-2011, 06:50 PM
<p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">Banditman, when purchasing something, one goes by the description, and if that description is inaccurate, vague or misleading, as it was in this case, then it will be misunderstood by some players - even by long time veteran players such as myself.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If "purchasing habits" need to include more than reading what looks like very clearly worded English and (shock! horror!) assuming that the description is actually correct, then they do not need re-evaluating at all. Instead, item descriptions need to be correct and unambiguous.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fortunately for me, GM Audleigh agreed that the item description was indeed rather poor, and has since my opening post given me a replacement adornment.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The adornment name and description do need to be corrected, to avoid this kind of mistake recurring with others.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Thank you GM Audleigh! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></strong> </span>))</p></blockquote><p>The description is absolutely accurate.  You simply failed to understand it.  10% Re-Use is added to Battle Fury.  How much more clear can it be? The fact of the matter is you don't know and understand the abilities of your character well enough to be making that purchase.  You purchased something without knowing what it applied to!</p><p>So, let's say I go in to Best Buy, and purchase a game for my X-Box.  "Hello Kitty Island".  I get home, open it up and . . . "Woops!  I purchased the PS3 version!".  I certainly don't expect Best Buy to refund my money because I was stupid and didn't pay attention to what I was purchasing.  That's a textbook "poor purchasing habit".</p><p>The description is accurate, the adornment works, and you are even forced to hit a box when you make the purchase that says "This cannot be undone!"  No one wants to take responsibility for their actions.  It's sad.</p>

Yimway
02-11-2011, 07:02 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, let's say I go in to Best Buy, and purchase a game for my X-Box.  "Hello Kitty Island".  I get home, open it up and . . . "Woops!  I purchased the PS3 version!".  I certainly don't expect Best Buy to refund my money because I was stupid and didn't pay attention to what I was purchasing.  That's a textbook "poor purchasing habit".</p></blockquote><p>Actually I would expect them to exchange it, and I bet they would <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Not that I disagree with your stance that the OP failed to understand what they bought and should be culpable for that mistake.</p><p>Being that these adorns are extremely cheap and easy to come by, its not an egregious issue, and after their next raid they'll be able to remedy the mistake.</p><p>To the OP, it would be worse if the Focus had the name of the buff rather than the name of the proc, cause then I would expect the 10% to be all the time on the person I buff, rather than only applied when the proc is active.  It does in fact clearly state what it affects and by how much, you simply didn't know the name of the procs your spells create.</p>

Krilinye
02-12-2011, 06:12 AM
<p>1 thing is you prolly misunderstood what it did, the other thing is you then found it to be a bad effect?</p><p>You should really take a closer look to Primal Fury, its a freaking uber buff when theres AAs and Adornment in it, turns the proc into a mini TC (without spell double attack ofc <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</p><p>I dont think it needs to be rewritting, its a very clear description, and if you should be in doubt about any other adornments, why not check with for example <a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/furies/60810-red-adornment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eq2flames.com/furies/608...-adornment.html</a> first?</p>

Griffildur
02-12-2011, 08:19 AM
<p>Unbelievable. How can ppl expect a player to know the name of their procs ? I mean cmon, it's not like you use them every day.</p><p>Also, when you buy a red adorn, of course it's not your own responsability, to actually check what the heck you're buying. It must be someone else's. Then , of course, come to the forums and vent your anger, because again, it's the game's fault because it doesn't cater to everyone out there, including those incapable of reading and understanding.</p><p>Even in a casual raid guild, if you don't have a clue what your spells do and how they work and what they proc, I fail to see how you help your raid mates. May I suggest you go back to the basics and actually read the descriptions of those little buttons on your bars ? Perhaps even check if you left some off your bars ?</p>

Rainmare
02-12-2011, 01:25 PM
<p>I know plenty of furies that have no idea about the 'battle fury' proc. mostly becuase a) they never use the spell on themselves, and b) they cast it only when someone asks for it.</p><p>furies basically have no need of it for solo play they are fast enough killers without it. so it's something they probably don't think about until a group mate or raid mate asks for the buff, they cast it on them.</p><p>and the OP has a point. if I saw that adorment, my first reaction would be it gives me 'battle fury' for 10% reuse speed reduction. the same way i would think of a focus: Attack speed or a focus: haste adornment.</p><p>especially if the thing it effects is a proc on a spell you never use unless someone specifically asks for it. and the OP is in a raiding alliance, not a raiding guild. usually that means that she's there to heal and cure, not to give a hoot about her ability to DPS. so again, dps abilities are out of sight, out of mind.</p><p>and it should say Focus: Primal Fury IV. then you know it affects a buff, so you look at it and it says 'adds 10% resue to battle fury' for all you raiders out there that apparently know about battle fury that wording is pretty specific, ain't it. and it lets people know that it affects a spell, not the toon, that may not know about the proc on primal fury.</p>

Caethre
02-12-2011, 01:33 PM
<p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">I posted this thread to give feedback to SOE on something that needs a better description, to help avoid other normal players making the same mistake I did. Yes, I made a mistake. Yes, I misunderstood the meaning of the in-game written description of the item. It is clearly at best ambiguous or otherwise I would not have made the error. I maintain that the item description is very misleading and needs to be improved, or others will make the same mistake.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">However, I did not post on this forum to read responses from a <em>certain type</em> of player saying either directly or by implication, that by making such a mistake, I must be stupid, clueless, do not know how to play, have no personal responsibility, or other ridiculous things. It feels like 80-89 channel in game, where there are always four or five know-it-alls putting everyone else down who ever speaks, trying to "own" them and prove how much better they are, whenever anyone asks a question, does not know something, or makes a mistake.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I am a casual-style normal player. This is an evening hobby for me, not my job. Of course I do not know the names of all my "procs", why would I memorize all those? Why should I need to? I couldn't recall the name of all my spells of all my characters, never mind the names of the procs they trigger, or the names of all the procs my items have. Similarly I do not know where all the best loot drops from every mob in game, nor have I even heard of many of the mobs in game, nor do I know the strats for most things, and indeed, there are many things I have never even seen in game.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">And yet despite all these massive "deficiencies", I still manage to play pretty well most of the time ... what the heck? How do I do it? LOL</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">This is the typical casual, normal player. This kind of player is the majority of the customer base, and we need proper documentation support in game. This means, accurate descriptions for things when we have to make choices, so we can make informed choices.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Anyone saying "but you could have gone off to website XXXX" is missing the point - many casual players will not have even heard of XXXX, and even those who have, may not want to go there. This is a communication issue, nothing else. In this case, my considered suggestion would be to change:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">"Battle Fury reduces reuse time by 10%".</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">to:</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">"This adornment adds an extra effect to the proc "Battle Fury" bestowed by the spell "Primal Fury VI". That extra effect is such that when the proc fires, Battle Fury reduces the reuse time of the recipient by 10%, in addition to its existing effects."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Of course, I am sure this can be further improved, but at least my suggestion contains enough information to allow most casual-style players not to make the same mistake I made. Information is good! Until that happens, I am sure that the CSRs will keep getting more requests for exchanges when items are purchased based on imprecise or ambiguous descriptions.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Peace and out. </span>))</p>

thajo
02-12-2011, 02:46 PM
<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If only their was some way to add a warning on the Motd screen so people could know to be careful when ti comes to adornments.</p></blockquote><p>Then the next line is auction with Gnome-gear-unattuners beind sold for 2500 plat.</p>

Gaige
02-12-2011, 04:35 PM
<p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I posted this thread to give feedback to SOE on something that needs a better description, to help avoid other normal players making the same mistake I did. Yes, I made a mistake. Yes, I misunderstood the meaning of the in-game written description of the item. It is clearly at best ambiguous or otherwise I would not have made the error. I maintain that the item description is very misleading and needs to be improved, or others will make the same mistake.</span></p></blockquote><p>The adornment isn't ambiguous, you simply aren't familiar with the spells/buffs of the fury class so you made an assumption due to your ignorance.</p><div><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">"This adornment adds an extra effect to the proc "Battle Fury" bestowed by the spell "Primal Fury VI". That extra effect is such that when the proc fires, Battle Fury reduces the reuse time of the recipient by 10%, in addition to its existing effects."</span></p></blockquote><p>How about instead of a novel for an item description they change the launchpad to have some sort of setting that you can select that says "I do not know much about this game or my class, I'm not planning on learning it either so could you please make my selections for me".  </p><p>After that whenever you go to a vendor the game automatically buys whatever is best for you that you have enough coin/seals/marks to afford.</p><p>I know every CA my assassin has and all of the procs associated with them.  I also know every CA the ranger class has and the procs associated with those.  That is part of actually playing the game, something you do not do.</p><p>Oh and I would like to add that players like you shouldn't be getting raid gear.  You obviously aren't doing content that needs it, and if you are you aren't helping the raid dragging you along.  It seems silly to me that players who aren't even familiar with all of their classes spells are running around the game in raid gear.  Especially since they're the first ones to complain about content being too hard.</p><p>I also totally disagree with your assertion that most players, even the majority of players, are unaware of the spells/procs their classes get and use.</p><p><div><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Until that happens, I am sure that the CSRs will keep getting more requests for exchanges when items are purchased based on imprecise or ambiguous descriptions.</span></p></blockquote><p>I certainly hope not as CSR time shouldn't be wasted on player ignorance.  There are important petitions in que that affect serious things, like players not even being able to play and its silly that you're inability to understand what your class does is filling up the petition que.</p></div></p></div>

Griffildur
02-12-2011, 04:43 PM
<p>OP you are quite funny actually. Not many ppl are hardcore raiders by the way. I think you'll find the vast majority are casual. Each server has probably what 1,2,3 hardcore and about 10-15 casual raid guilds ?</p><p>I am definitely not hardcore and I don't remember the names of all my spells. But when it comes to red adorns then yeah I check and triple check and make sure I know what I'm using and if I am not sure I ask others who maybe have the same adornment. This isn't a description issue. Many things in this game don't work exactly as advertised. Then again, nothing s perfect and nothing will ever be perfect and there will always be someone who doesn't understand something. Its the nature of the beast. Point is ... if you are unsure, ask ...</p><p>Also , maybe you don't use a spell too often. But if it is a buff for others then that's more of a reason to actually know what on earth that buff does. It's common sense, it's simple curiosity, why do ppl ask for a certain buff that I'm not even using ?</p><p>It does not take a hardcore player to ask that question. Many buffs and spells work best on certain classes or combined with other spells for maximum efficiency. I may not fit your typical impression of a casual player and please stop making yourself the avatar of all casuals and the champion of their cause, because at the end of the day, it's still your inate inability to read that brought you in this situation. Spend a bit of time, before making a decision that you might regret taking. That applies to a game as well as real life ... Fortunately for you, here you have the save / load button, in your case a GM.</p>

Caethre
02-13-2011, 11:47 PM
<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oh and I would like to add that players like you shouldn't be getting raid gear.   </p></blockquote><p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">Why do some players like just trying to put others down? I've never understood it. Your feedback on this thread, indeed, on almost every thread you contribute to, is always full of putting down other players, with a mix of lies, insults, belittling remarks and made-up statements. In your case, it is almost always targetting casual-style players. This is the entire reason so many players think hardcore raiders are obnoxious - but it's not all hardcore raiders, it's just the few like you who do this, giving a bad reputation to them all.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">We get it, you think all non-hardcore raiders are worthless scum.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Your opinion is not actually of any importance. The thread was for SOE, and as a warning to others who may make the same mistake as I did.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The thread was not intended as an opportunity for a few hardcore raiders to have a pop at me for not knowing the names of all my procs. Back off.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I and thousands of other casual-style players who you paint as worthless noobs who haven't a clue how to play and deserve nothing, will somehow manage to drag eachother through content, have fun, and pick up gear, even maybe *GASP* some raid gear. Horrible as that is for you, you will just somehow have to come to terms with that. Content is meant for everyone, not just you</span>. ))</p>

Caethre
02-14-2011, 12:33 AM
<p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600;">Mrrshan, I will have one more try.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">You imply I did not take care. But that is based on the logic that if anyone got it wrong, given how clear you think the english is, that can only mean they did not take care (or that they are stupid and unable to read).</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The reality, is that I *did* take care. I read it numerous times, I hesistated, I checked the naming convention of the other adorns, I considered if I wanted the group healing adorn instead, mulled about it, and spent 20 minutes reading the descriptions of the three or four I was considering. Then I made the decision and bought, because I was convinced it was a 10% reuse speed reduction adorn from the description, there was no doubt in my mind as to what it was.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I did not check other sources. I did not check other players. I certainly did not go off to some other websites. I didn't feel I needed to, it seemed totally unambiguous to me. (I'd add - I should not have to do any of those things, the description should suffice).</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">But I was still wrong. So I ended up making the mistake. I still managed to misunderstand what the adornment did from its description alone.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Certainly, I didn't know by heart the name of the proc on Primal Fury. There was no reason during my deliberations for me to have looked at the Primal Fury buff. Even if I had (And this is now speculation, of course), I would not necessarily have assumed it was referring to that, rather than just the name of a stat adorn like Focus:Armor adds mit or Focus:SweepingSWings adds AE autoattack.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">But was I culpable for my mistake? 100%? 50%? 0%?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Your post is effectively saying "<span style="color: #ff0000;">look, I am sorry, I think the current description is already very clear, and anyone who cannot understand that description is 100% culpable for that error, they are stupid and/or not taking care</span>". I understand your position. You are entitled to that view. I am never going to convince you to change it.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">But I simply do not agree with your position. I am intelligent and know the game well, but I read that description as meaning something else. I know that for an absolute fact, that had the description mentioned it was an effect on Primal Fury VI, that mistake would not have happened, regardless of knowing the name of the "battle fury" proc. All this would have been avoided had that description been better.</span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #ff6600;">So, whether we *agree* that the current description is clear or not is actually irrelevant. If even one of us thinks it is not clear, it needs to be improved.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #ff6600;">The objective of documentation is to attempt to ensure that the reader understands, and that has to be for a wide range of readers, well, those in the target audience. In this case, the target audience includes both you and me. </span><span style="color: #ff6600;">For whatever reasons (that we may disagree on), the outcome was that documentation failed in its objective with me.</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">As a customer, I came to complain about that. I am very happy with the CSR response.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">But unless you really believe I am absolutely "unique" and that quite literally not one other player of EQII who will ever want to buy a level 90 Fury adornment will misunderstand that description, then it needs to be improved.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Personally, I don't think I'm quite that special *chuckle*. Others will also make the mistake I did.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">And *that* is why this thread was posted.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">With that, the horse has been beaten into the ground now, and I will /bow out of the thread. Good day.</span> ))</p>

Gaige
02-15-2011, 12:33 PM
<p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The thread was not intended as an opportunity for a few hardcore raiders to have a pop at me for not knowing the names of all my procs. Back off.</span></p></blockquote><p>IMO the thread was a highlight of the effect that so much hand holding and dumbing down of the game has caused.  People go into "raids" not even knowing what half the stuff they are casting/can cast even does and yet somehow still accomplish killing mobs.  This shouldn't happen.  Players like you should consistently fail everytime they try to raid until you finally decide to pay attention and learn how to play.</p><p>I have no problem with casual players I have a problem with <em>terrible</em> players who are too lazy to get better, blame the game for their failures and then waste dev/gm/csr time getting things fixed that aren't broken.</p><p><div><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I am intelligent and know the game well</span></p></blockquote><p>Except your spells, what they do and the name of their other effects like procs.</p></div></p>

Banditman
02-15-2011, 02:04 PM
<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">The thread was not intended as an opportunity for a few hardcore raiders to have a pop at me for not knowing the names of all my procs. Back off.</span></p></blockquote><p>IMO the thread was a highlight of the effect that so much hand holding and dumbing down of the game has caused.  People go into "raids" not even knowing what half the stuff they are casting/can cast even does and yet somehow still accomplish killing mobs.  This shouldn't happen.  Players like you should consistently fail everytime they try to raid until you finally decide to pay attention and learn how to play.</p><p>I have no problem with casual players I have a problem with <em>terrible</em> players who are too lazy to get better, blame the game for their failures and then waste dev/gm/csr time getting things fixed that aren't broken.</p><div><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I am intelligent and know the game well</span></p></blockquote><p>Except your spells, what they do and the name of their other effects like procs.</p></div></blockquote><p>You know what?  I have a Fury.  L90, 250 AA.</p><p>I'll admit it.  When I started gearing that character, I wasn't sure what Battle Fury was.  I had to read all my spells to find the answer.  I had to aquire a deeper understanding of the class.  I knew Battle Fury sounded familiar, but was it something that I never used?</p><p>I knew Primal Fury had a proc that was highly desired, in fact, one of the best single target buffs in the game.  I didn't know the proc was called Battle Fury.  However, <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>before</strong></span> I made that purchase, I found out.</p><p>I don't always agree with Gaige, but in this case he's exactly right.</p><p>It's exactly requests like this one getting processed that cause such a backlog in CS.  <strong>There is a warning that says</strong> "This action cannot be undone!" when you purchase the adornment!  How much more do you need?!?!?</p>

Caethre
02-15-2011, 03:40 PM
<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How much more do you need?!?!?</p></blockquote><p>(( <span style="color: #ff6600; font-size: medium;"><strong>Full and unambiguous textual descriptions on adornments.</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">I.E. Exactly what I said in the opening post and gave example of in the later ones. Such that everyone, including me, will understand their effects from those descriptions, avoiding mistakes from any ambiguity. That's all. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600; font-size: x-small;">Sigh, I didn't want to have to post on this thread again, it has already all been said.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ff6600;"><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">I am not sure why are you asking effectively the same question that has already been asked on this thread several times and I have already answered several times. We have already established that some people disagree with me on the clarity of the existing description.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">There is no point in repeating and rehashing our relative positions on that and then me having to listen to the (ludicrously over-</span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">the-top negative) opinion some of those individuals seemingly have of me as a result of my opinion on this frankly minor topic, <strong>ad nauseum</strong>, is there? Doing that is moving purely into the realm of personal harassment at this point, don't you agree?</span></span></p><p>These forums are for feedback. Not everyone will agree with everyone elses feedback. However, there is no place for ongoing derogatory remarks of another person's feedback, and then insults of the player themself, on these forums.</p><font size="2"><font color="#ff6600"><p><strong>Let's just agree to disagree. My request for improved descriptions remains.</strong> </p></font>))</font></span><font size="2"><p>))</p></font></span></p>

Gaige
02-15-2011, 04:38 PM
<p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600; font-size: small;"><strong>My request for improved descriptions remains.</strong> </span></p></blockquote><p>My rebuttal that your request is unneeded if you take the time to learn your class, its spells and what they do remains.</p><p><div><p><cite>Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I couldn't recall the name of all my spells of all my characters, never mind the names of the procs they trigger, or the names of all the procs my items have. Similarly I do not know where all the best loot drops from every mob in game, nor have I even heard of many of the mobs in game, nor do I know the strats for most things, and indeed, there are many things I have never even seen in game.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">This is the typical casual, normal player. </span></p></blockquote><p>I assure you that trying to imply the typical casual player as someone who has no idea what their spells are named, much less what they do is an insult to them.  You're the minority, certainly not normal.</p></div></p>

Iskandar
02-15-2011, 05:43 PM
<p>Why are you two still arguing? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Just let it go. Both of you. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /></p>

Shareana
02-17-2011, 12:42 PM
<p>Yes, please, let it go. </p><p>As for the OP, please be sure to send in a /bug report about this issue if you feel that the wording is incorrect.  Thankyou!</p>