Just came from Wow, had a noob question [Archive]

xzordian

01-31-2011, 01:40 AM

Hey guys, I'm liking the looks of the game so far, dont' know why I never tried it before. Anyways, in WoW I tanked all content successfully up until Cataclysm and to make a long story short, I didn't have fun in that expac at all. Tanking is my thing, I'm excited about learning new tanking mechanics in this game, i hear they're more complex. Well, I log on and didn't realize how many fighter classes there were and I feel a little lost. Basically my goal is this:- solo fairly well since I prefer soloing while leveling. - I obviously do not want to start out with the most complex tank as my first. In WoW they say if you want to learn tanking, start with a Paladin and not with one of the others. Thats what I'm wanting to do here mostly so I can get the hang of the game. - I've always prefered plate tanks and shields to be honest, but i've never played any classes like a monk or a bruiser. So that is intruiging.Anyways folks, thats pretty much it. All advice is appreciated and usually posts like this come with the usual flaming, at least in the WoW forums they do so I guess thats cool too. I know its one of those 'which class should I play' threads, but if there weren't so many classes I wouldn't have this much trouble lol. I'm mainly concerned about tanking and not feeling like slicing my wrists during the leveling process.

schizmark

01-31-2011, 02:51 AM

I haven't done a lot of tanking for a while, but I can tell you that the Pally is not the place to start here. Much more complex than in WoW, but I'd say that to some degree about every character here. The play is more involved, but in a good way. You won't get bored to sleep from button mashing, that's for sure. There are lots of different stats to learn, no matter what the class, but for basic beat 'em up and go to get fresh, I'd say Guardian, since you like shields. Bruisers (evil) and Monks (good) are a lot of fun too.

Knives

01-31-2011, 03:20 AM

First of all, a disclaimer. I haven't raided in a couple of years, but I do run end-game instances quite frequently and have tank alts of my own. For raid tanking, you may want to do some research or wait for someone else to comment.As far as sword and board tanking goes, I would say Shadowknights are the most fun. With the right AAs, Shadowknights can take large groups of mobs (Area of Effect auto attack, + block chance, heal procs on damage spells and blocks, etc.) and they're even rewarded for AoE kills (Death March, a mid 50s buff I believe, increases the groups intelligence, DPS modifier, and casting time with each kill). That would be my choice for plate tanking (Berserker being a close second in my opinion, but I like the dps tanking approach).The brawlers (monks and bruisers), while fun classes to play, haven't been sought after for their tanking skills for the last couple of expansions. It's true that a brawler that knows how to play his class can effectively tank, and it's a lot more than just button mashing, but pick-up-groups tend to rely on the plate tanks more often than not. Brawlers rely on avoidance more so than taking a hit directly, and monks (I personally don't play a bruiser) at least have a nice stockpile of temporary buffs that increase avoidance to the point that they don't even take a hit for about 15-20 seconds.

xKHONSx

01-31-2011, 12:28 PM

Roll a Shadowknight, Paladin or Berserker. All three have good single target threat/dps and the best aoe threat/dps of all the tanks. Shadowknights and Paladins are a bit more self sufficient thru all tiers due to their lifetaps or heals, but at end game with proper gear Berserkers can do some ridiculous things as well.Playing a Guardian will either bore you to sleep or make you quit the game, and either one of the Brawlers requires more skill to play effectively plus better quality gear to be as effective as a plate tank in lesser gear.

Raahl

01-31-2011, 12:35 PM

<cite>xKHONSx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Roll a Shadowknight, Paladin or Berserker. All three have good single target threat/dps and the best aoe threat/dps of all the tanks. Shadowknights and Paladins are a bit more self sufficient thru all tiers due to their lifetaps or heals, but at end game with proper gear Berserkers can do some ridiculous things as well.Playing a Guardian will either bore you to sleep or make you quit the game, and either one of the Brawlers requires more skill to play effectively plus better quality gear to be as effective as a plate tank in lesser gear.</blockquote>QFT!

das2000uk

01-31-2011, 12:44 PM

Hi and first off welcome to EQ2.I would roll a Shadow Knight. Get them AAs and make sure you get Reaver in the Shadowknight tree.Loads of fun to play easy to solo and in the right hands they can masacre large groups of mobs.Guardian, hmm only useful at end game raids really, they take a lot of killing but they take a long time to kill mobs.Zerkers, also excellent i betrayed my guardian to a zerk, much more fun good DPS also.I would roll a few different classes and play them to lvl 30 or so.Also no matter what class you pick you will find the game so much more in depth in every way than WOW. So you will need to pop back to the forums alot to research things.Good luck.

xzordian

01-31-2011, 01:22 PM

Thanks so much for the replies. I was honestly ready for a good flaming lol, I guess I've been playing wow too long. I rolled up a Paladin, Monk and a Bruiser last night, got them both to 15+. PLaystyle is cool but the Monk animations bug me lol. I'm not a kung fu kind of guy, more a beat you face in type. So I'm probably going to pick the bruiser over the monk. Really slow killing compared to the monk and the bruiser. I know I shoudln't judge in these early lvl's so I'll probably keep playing the Pally on and off for a bit until I decide.Going to roll a zerk and an SK today and play then to 15+. and see if I can decide from there. Again, thanks for the replies. Community in the forums and in game seem soooo much better than WoW already, and that is so refreshing I almost forgot what a good community was like.

das2000uk

01-31-2011, 01:40 PM

Brilliant glad your enjoying your stay so far. Although your playing them to lvl 15 or so you wont really see the true nature of the class until after 30s, you will get a feel for the play style though il give you that.Monk or Bruiser, Id pick Bruiser. Both can tank though.Also its about AA setups aswell, and how well you use the class.If you looking to judge them for yourself at this early level may i suggest going up again a blue ^^^ and see what happens see how long it takes, but as you already know its to early to choose.I have three acounts and i have listed my characters and a little back ground on how i find their sytles. It might help you a bit, it might not.Zerk lvl 84, was a guardian but betrayed. Not many AAs for his level and needs alot of work doing on him to get him back to scratch. Very good dps and nice aoes, great at soloing and great in a group, holds aggro very very well.36 Shadow knight, excellent so far at lvl 36 he has 66(i think) AAs and rocks. Great aoe attacks great aggro contol only downside is that they burn through the mana in a long fight.26 Inquisitor, Plate wearing healing tank lol. In the right AA spec "Battle Cleric" line he rocks, should play him more really.34 Necromancer. Very nice and im looking forward to getting this guy leveled up. Three pets to choose from Tank, Scout and Mage. Great spells but still just a squishy caster.Im also working on a wizz lvl 30s, Defler lvl 30s, Conjy and Illy late 20's plus much more.Im an altaholic as you can see. My fav is the SK though without a shadow of doubt. But that may change once i get my Zerk up on the AAs.TIP:Make sure after lvl 10 you lock your xp so you only get AA points rack up a few quests and AAs then drop the slider to about 75%. You will soon be battering mobs a lot higher level than you if you get the AAs right.

Controlor

01-31-2011, 01:48 PM

<cite>xzordian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thanks so much for the replies. I was honestly ready for a good flaming lol, I guess I've been playing wow too long. I rolled up a Paladin, Monk and a Bruiser last night, got them both to 15+. PLaystyle is cool but the Monk animations bug me lol. I'm not a kung fu kind of guy, more a beat you face in type. So I'm probably going to pick the bruiser over the monk. Really slow killing compared to the monk and the bruiser. I know I shoudln't judge in these early lvl's so I'll probably keep playing the Pally on and off for a bit until I decide.Going to roll a zerk and an SK today and play then to 15+. and see if I can decide from there. Again, thanks for the replies. Community in the forums and in game seem soooo much better than WoW already, and that is so refreshing I almost forgot what a good community was like. </blockquote>I have been playing a paladin since 2nd day the game came out.... They are by far one of the most heavily AA dependant classes in game (and the most for a tank class) i say this because the vast majority of their DPS and Survival comes from AA's.For a starting class that can solo well and tank just fine i would say the Zerker / SK.Once you get the mechanics of tanking and want to actually start raid MTing then go Pally / Guard (though Zerker and SK can do it the Pally and Guard are better suited for it). If you want to run as the OT then go with Pally / Zerk / SK. For a 3rd tank it is pretty much any non guard heh.I would really suggest going with a Zerker to start out with though they are less AA dependant and make just fine plate tanks. They can go sword and board or duel weilding for the beat down. Though whatever class you chose Just know that pretty much ALL classes in this game dont start to reach their potential until mid 30's. Some until late 50's.... and for Paladins when they are 175+ aa and post 50 (Though one of their biggest DPS spells isnt until llv 80).

Gungo

01-31-2011, 09:07 PM

It is worth noting that you can betray classes fairly easily in this game. but only within your class. So a paladin can betray to a shadowknight and a Zerker can betray to guardian and monk to bruiser and vis versa.The offensive options of each class are better to level with Shadowknight, zerker, and bruiser (although both brawlers are extremely similar).I recommend shadowknight or zerker and switch later on to the more defensive maintank versions when you reach the level cap if you so desire.

xzordian

02-02-2011, 01:01 AM

<cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is worth noting that you can betray classes fairly easily in this game. but only within your class. So a paladin can betray to a shadowknight and a Zerker can betray to guardian and monk to bruiser and vis versa.The offensive options of each class are better to level with Shadowknight, zerker, and bruiser (although both brawlers are extremely similar).I recommend shadowknight or zerker and switch later on to the more defensive maintank versions when you reach the level cap if you so desire.</blockquote>How are Zerk's at soloing? I wasn't sure about rolling an SK because there are so many of them. I've never like being flavor of the month.

Rahatmattata

02-02-2011, 11:32 AM

<cite>xzordian wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've never like being flavor of the month.</blockquote>Flavor of the 3 years.

xzordian

02-02-2011, 12:35 PM

<cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xzordian wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've never like being flavor of the month.</blockquote>Flavor of the 3 years.</blockquote>Oh wow really? Dang, not sure what to think about that.

Yimway

02-02-2011, 02:14 PM

Play Paladin, it is what you're looking for.And none of them are difficult to level or can't be easily solo'd to 90/250.Paladin is going to offer you the best survivability and aggro sollutions which for learning to tank in a new game, those are going to be your primary concerns.

Rahatmattata

02-02-2011, 04:06 PM

<cite>xzordian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dang, not sure what to think about that. </blockquote>Just roll a shadowknight man. You can betray to paladin later if you want to for some strange reason.

xzordian

02-02-2011, 05:02 PM

Thanks for being patient with the Noob (me). I tried a SK and a pally. I'm liking the pally more only because I like the combat pace. I'll continue to lvl them both until I really decide which I like but atm I'm liking the pally.After lvl'ing a monk and bruiser to 25+ I found out that I liked the idea of those classes, but just not the play style.

Bruener

02-02-2011, 08:54 PM

Very interesting thread. To the OP, hope you are finding a tank class you enjoy playing.But what I really find interesting about this thread is the same names I have seen many times that complain constantly about the SK population are also the ones telling a new player to the game to roll a SK....even when the player is enjoying the idea of other tank styles.Hypocrits really isn't the right word.....somehow though they can justify arguing player perception isn't a cause of inflated numbers....

Rahatmattata

02-02-2011, 10:35 PM

Sure thing Brownie.OP asked for:- solo fairly well since I prefer soloing while leveling. - I obviously do not want to start out with the most complex tank as my first.- I've always prefered plate tanks and shields to be honestObvious answer is SK. As for enjoying one class more than the other... dude... he's level 15. And I'm sure you will find it shocking, but some people do prefer playing guardians/paladins for whatever reasons.

Wasuna

02-03-2011, 01:16 PM

<cite>Bruener wrote:</cite><blockquote>Very interesting thread. To the OP, hope you are finding a tank class you enjoy playing.But what I really find interesting about this thread is the same names I have seen many times that complain constantly about the SK population are also the ones telling a new player to the game to roll a SK....even when the player is enjoying the idea of other tank styles.Hypocrits really isn't the right word.....somehow though they can justify arguing player perception isn't a cause of inflated numbers....</blockquote>What a stupid post. Just becasue those of us that feel SoE has screwed the pooch on fighter balance doesn't mean we give wrong answers or bad advice.

yzyh

02-16-2011, 06:06 PM

I wouldnt say that any of the tank is harder or easyer then another to play. Beside maybe that Paladin could be half asleep and never have any aggro problem, SK, Bruiser and Monk are probbaly the easiest to level but zerker are good soloer too.ATM guardian is the worst soloer but they are not hard at all. They just can't solo the AoE stuff the others could.What can help you is to work on a crafter skill so you can do tinkering and get the Feing Death tools (as well as all the other ubber tools). The auto self rez kit saved my life more then once.Edit: Don,t listen to those none SK crying about SK. As far as tanking goes lets face it all the 6 tank are easy to play hard to master (unlike what many player seems to think SK aren't the most used raid tank out there). SK are good AoE DPSer but many zerker claim to beat them once they got their mythical weapon and a sure thing is that both class do well on AoE damage.SK are usualy since as OP since they have an easy time AoE soloing but solo wise both brawler class can do sick things too. Their various FD make them bether at dungeon soloing.Poeple see SK as OP for a few stupid reasons.1) Noob see Harm TOuch as OP in PvP until they learn how to gear and spec2) SK are one of the best EXP soloer3) They are the best toon for Power leveling.Many many player have an alt SK they enjoyed while soloing. But you usualy don,t see them anymore int he lvl 90 content because they are back playing their main.

Lark42

02-16-2011, 06:34 PM

Oh ya, and another piece of advice for new players:Ignore Bruener. He is convinced that class imbalance is an illusion and all the success he enjoys as a Shadowknight is entirely due to his "skill" and other tank classes just aren't trying hard enough. He tends not to add anything meaningful to the debates and just posts to inflate his own ego.<cite>Bruener wrote:</cite><blockquote>Very interesting thread. To the OP, hope you are finding a tank class you enjoy playing.But what I really find interesting about this thread is the same names I have seen many times that complain constantly about the SK population are also the ones telling a new player to the game to roll a SK....even when the player is enjoying the idea of other tank styles.Hypocrits really isn't the right word.....somehow though they can justify arguing player perception isn't a cause of inflated numbers....</blockquote>

Oneira

02-17-2011, 09:41 AM

The 3 top tanking classes in this game hands down are: Sk, Pally and Zerker. None of the other 3 comes close. If you want to tank, pick one of those 3 and you'll be happy.If you want to solo: Brawlers make very good solo classes. Monks and bruisers are one of the best fighter classes in the game for soloing content due to a number of factors, i.e. certain AA choices like Chi, and Feign Death. Feign Death is amazing for soloing purposes. You can run past a zillion mobs that you don't really want to kill to get to the mob(s) that you do, especially named mobs.However, the above 3 classes also make very good solo classes. If you want the best of both worlds, choose SK, Zerker or Pally.

Wasuna

02-17-2011, 12:53 PM

<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wouldnt say that any of the tank is harder or easyer then another to play. Beside maybe that Paladin could be half asleep and never have any aggro problem, SK, Bruiser and Monk are probbaly the easiest to level but zerker are good soloer too.ATM guardian is the worst soloer but they are not hard at all. They just can't solo the AoE stuff the others could.What can help you is to work on a crafter skill so you can do tinkering and get the Feing Death tools (as well as all the other ubber tools). The auto self rez kit saved my life more then once.Edit: Don,t listen to those none SK crying about SK. As far as tanking goes lets face it all the 6 tank are easy to play hard to master (unlike what many player seems to think SK aren't the most used raid tank out there). SK are good AoE DPSer but many zerker claim to beat them once they got their mythical weapon and a sure thing is that both class do well on AoE damage.SK are usualy since as OP since they have an easy time AoE soloing but solo wise both brawler class can do sick things too. Their various FD make them bether at dungeon soloing.Poeple see SK as OP for a few stupid reasons.1) Noob see Harm TOuch as OP in PvP until they learn how to gear and spec2) SK are one of the best EXP soloer3) They are the best toon for Power leveling.Many many player have an alt SK they enjoyed while soloing. But you usualy don,t see them anymore int he lvl 90 content because they are back playing their main.</blockquote>Current Raid MT potion for top end raid guids is 90% Crusader with about 90% of them being SK's. This would put the MT choice for most high end raid forces at around 80% SK's. The information was posted by players and is still on the EQ2 forums hereif you care to look. If all fighters were equal at MT potion then we would have a rough 15-20% for each fighter class at MT. Obviously that is not the case.Dunno what will be the flavor for the new expansion.

LardLord

02-17-2011, 09:04 PM

<cite>Wasuna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Current Raid MT potion for top end raid guids is 90% Crusader with about 90% of them being SK's. This would put the MT choice for most high end raid forces at around 80% SK's. The information was posted by players and is still on the EQ2 forums hereif you care to look. If all fighters were equal at MT potion then we would have a rough 15-20% for each fighter class at MT. Obviously that is not the case.Dunno what will be the flavor for the new expansion.</blockquote>Just curious...which top end guilds primarily use an SK as MT?

Controlor

02-17-2011, 11:55 PM

<cite>Quabi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wasuna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Current Raid MT potion for top end raid guids is 90% Crusader with about 90% of them being SK's. This would put the MT choice for most high end raid forces at around 80% SK's. The information was posted by players and is still on the EQ2 forums hereif you care to look. If all fighters were equal at MT potion then we would have a rough 15-20% for each fighter class at MT. Obviously that is not the case.Dunno what will be the flavor for the new expansion.</blockquote>Just curious...which top end guilds primarily use an SK as MT?</blockquote>QFE.... Please provide evidence for this claim. Not old posts (as in When SF just came out on the parse threads) but new posts. Because the guilds could have easily had at one time a SK MTing but now use a different MT.

yzyh

02-18-2011, 10:50 AM

<cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xzordian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dang, not sure what to think about that. </blockquote>Just roll a shadowknight man. You can betray to paladin later if you want to for some strange reason.</blockquote>With how shafted SK are in DoV compared to others fighter if nothing is changed SK will remain the best AoE soloer but the worst tank out of all 6 fighter.DoV will be the Xpack of the brawlers and even guardianw ill be hapy since their is next to no AoE content.SK are the kind of AoE soloing and power leveling alts. If you want to grind from lvl 1 to 90 with 300AA a SK will do ti a little faster then other fighters, The difference isn,t that big compared to anything but a guardian don,t get mistaken.Also at dungeon soloing both brawler do it a way faster then a SK. (They can feing death to skip trash and run right to the named while the SK FD is on a slow cooldown making it less practicable)SK should solo AoE trash way faster then a brawler but single pullable named are slightly easyer for brawlers.All in all beside the guardian every fighter solo realy fast and realy well. Event he guardian isn,t that bad he just hapen to have a slower killing speed then others tank.Also go read eq2flames.com boards. Poeple are acting like jerk but they tend to have a bether knowelge then players ont he official forums. Thats why you see far less whinning about SK beeing OP and more brigand tears.

yzyh

02-18-2011, 10:53 AM

<cite>Wasuna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wouldnt say that any of the tank is harder or easyer then another to play. Beside maybe that Paladin could be half asleep and never have any aggro problem, SK, Bruiser and Monk are probbaly the easiest to level but zerker are good soloer too.ATM guardian is the worst soloer but they are not hard at all. They just can't solo the AoE stuff the others could.What can help you is to work on a crafter skill so you can do tinkering and get the Feing Death tools (as well as all the other ubber tools). The auto self rez kit saved my life more then once.Edit: Don,t listen to those none SK crying about SK. As far as tanking goes lets face it all the 6 tank are easy to play hard to master (unlike what many player seems to think SK aren't the most used raid tank out there). SK are good AoE DPSer but many zerker claim to beat them once they got their mythical weapon and a sure thing is that both class do well on AoE damage.SK are usualy since as OP since they have an easy time AoE soloing but solo wise both brawler class can do sick things too. Their various FD make them bether at dungeon soloing.Poeple see SK as OP for a few stupid reasons.1) Noob see Harm TOuch as OP in PvP until they learn how to gear and spec2) SK are one of the best EXP soloer3) They are the best toon for Power leveling.Many many player have an alt SK they enjoyed while soloing. But you usualy don,t see them anymore int he lvl 90 content because they are back playing their main.</blockquote>Current Raid MT potion for top end raid guids is 90% Crusader with about 90% of them being SK's. This would put the MT choice for most high end raid forces at around 80% SK's. The information was posted by players and is still on the EQ2 forums hereif you care to look. If all fighters were equal at MT potion then we would have a rough 15-20% for each fighter class at MT. Obviously that is not the case.Dunno what will be the flavor for the new expansion.</blockquote>Yeah thats the usual miss-unformation you read on the official EQ2 forums spread by none-raiders.If you'd raided you'd know it is plain not true. Paladin and zerker are the most common Mtank you'll see for raiding and ti is due to their superior life save. But I,ve see all the 6 tank doing the Mtank job, it is just easyer with a class that has bether life save to prevent whipe when yours raidmate are to busy watching TV.

Wasuna

02-18-2011, 12:02 PM

So you come here and say 'everybody knows Paladins and Berserkers are better' without any proof at all and claim that that trumps raw player posted data that is only 5 months old in an expansion that is over a year old?It appears you have your own impressions but that does not make anything fact and it sure isn't logical at all.

yzyh

02-18-2011, 01:41 PM

<cite>Wasuna wrote:</cite><blockquote>So you come here and say 'everybody knows Paladins and Berserkers are better' without any proof at all and claim that that trumps raw player posted data that is only 5 months old in an expansion that is over a year old?It appears you have your own impressions but that does not make anything fact and it sure isn't logical at all.</blockquote>Not everybody but every raiders, but the difference is not that big betwins the top3 raid tank.And it is not my impression, its just plain wrong to state that 80% of the raid Mtank are SK. Make such an assomption on a serious EQ2 forum (unlike the official ones) and your thread would get deleted.SK are sure a great class untill DoV come out. But stop thinking every single serious raiding guild use them as Mtank.As for the proof of my claims, I,ve already stated it was about the superior zerker/pal death save over bloodlether.