Flying mounts and PVP

[Vaylan77]

<p>Any info yet on how flying mounts will change PVP? As I have seen you actually fly really high above the ground like with the griffons today so I wonder how you will do PVP then. Hit them while you are flying? Stepping off the mount in the air then? Even less chances to fight openly because now you must search for people in 3 dimensions?For PVE this is surely great because one is even faster and easier everywhere but for PVP? No idea yet</p>

[Blambil]

<p>would be awesome to be able to knock people off their mounts, and watch them fall....... Splat! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Killque]

<p>Issues I can see coming up with Flying mounts and pvp. As precieved from previous fights while falling (floating) in moors).</p><p>Melee:  Able to auto attack and use CA's while falling (flying)Casters: Unable to use CAs (damage or heal) (except instant cast like bewilderment, emergencies etc) while flying/falling because they are technically moving. If you fix this, this will be a whole new ballgame for casters in general removing entirely one of the defining characteristics of the casting classes (holding still while casting). Ice comet on the run anyone?</p><p>Line of sight issues due to lag, not a huge problem right now while feet are firmly planted on the ground, but fight someone in moors while falling (slow fall) off the cliff, and it is jittery as all get out (when players use spacebar to fall faster etc). They appear to bounce through the air causing targeting issues.</p><p>I will add more as I think of them.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Just want to chime in here that so far we've been told about flying mounts in general is that no combat of any sort will be possible. I don't know how it'll work on PVP servers, but maybe it'll mean immunity from even attacks from the ground. Of course, everything is subject to change.

[Ssue]

<p>I used to think PvP in a 3rd demension (up-down) would be great.  Then I played AION.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>Flying mounts are only going to be usable in certain zones, like in dungeons they aren't allowed, and my guess, with no info to back this, is they will be disallowed in places with warfields(antonica, enchanted lands, kylong plains) flying mounts will be disallowed as well.  In other words, you are only able to pvp in dungeons and wf now...</p><p>Completely unrelated, but I had a dream where someone was flying one of the griffons, throwing knives at me while I tried to run away.</p>

[JoarAddam]

<p><cite>Ilovecows@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In other words, you are only able to pvp in dungeons and wf now...</p></blockquote><p>There will be plenty of people on the ground if you can't fight in the air...  I doubt that there are any harvestables or shinies in midair either, so I don't think it's really as bad as you're making it.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Ssue@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I used to think PvP in a 3rd demension (up-down) would be great.  Then I played AION.</p></blockquote><p>I enjoyed Aion pvp "Sorc" up until lvl 49, then the game mechanics screwed it up ie. Clerics with 80%+ Magic Resist</p>

[EndevorX]

<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">PvP on flying mounts in 2011!!! >_<...</span></p>

[Killque]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Just want to chime in here that so far we've been told about flying mounts in general is that no combat of any sort will be possible. I don't know how it'll work on PVP servers, but maybe it'll mean immunity from even attacks from the ground. Of course, everything is subject to change.</blockquote><p>If this is in fact the case, this will be absolutely game breaking and the most talked about subject post release on the PvP forums.</p><p>Running from PvP will be taken to a whole new level, flying straight up out of range, with the in combat folks unable to persue. Imagine right now if everyone has a grif bell in their pocket....</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><cite>Killque wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Just want to chime in here that so far we've been told about flying mounts in general is that no combat of any sort will be possible. I don't know how it'll work on PVP servers, but maybe it'll mean immunity from even attacks from the ground. Of course, everything is subject to change.</blockquote><p>If this is in fact the case, this will be absolutely game breaking and the most talked about subject post release on the PvP forums.</p><p>Running from PvP will be taken to a whole new level, flying straight up out of range, with the in combat folks unable to persue. Imagine right now if everyone has a grif bell in their pocket....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Yeahp sounds beyond ridiculous.</span></p>

[deathwarden]

<p>Flying mounts completely ruined world pvp for WoW. Which made alot of PvPers sad.</p>

[Ssue]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ssue@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I used to think PvP in a 3rd demension (up-down) would be great.  Then I played AION.</p></blockquote><p>I enjoyed Aion pvp "Sorc" up until lvl 49, then the game mechanics screwed it up ie. Clerics with 80%+ Magic Resist</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">I was a mid 40's Chanter and it was a nightmare trying to meele.</span></p>

[Jab]

<p>If they just add in flying mounts in the true meaning of the word flying. I.E no restrictions then we have seen the last breath of open world pvp..</p><p>I can just see it now. Rangers would be unstoppable, well even more so then they are now..</p><p>Who wants to play a game like that where one class is the hunter and the rest are the hunted.. If this goes live as mentioned above then i will never play this game again, not that i play it that much anymore eitherway =)</p><p>Infact my sub runs out soonish and then im done with eq2 " for now " =)</p><p>Anyways.</p><p>Fix the classes sony and stop worrying about all the other stuff u focus on.</p><p>Its like u are trying to build the perfect racetrack but totally forgot to build the cars that are supposed to use said racetrack =)</p><p>Or its like trying to build a house from the top down when infact u start from the bottom and move up from the <span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>foundation</strong></em></span></span>.</p>

[Valdar]

<p>Every post Jabib makes seems to be crying about rangers. Pretty funny since he rolled a brig when they were rediculously OP and they remained so for a long time.</p><p>At the moment the game is balanced reasonably well for group vs group.</p>

[Jab]

<p><cite>Phaust@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Every post Jabib makes seems to be crying about rangers. Pretty funny since he rolled a brig when they were rediculously OP and they remained so for a long time.</p><p>At the moment the game is balanced reasonably well for group vs group.</p></blockquote><p>So what ur saying is that a ranger on a flying mount that can move in all directions wont be a fricking pain ? FYI <-- This moving in all directions scenario is just a made up scenario. Its not a fact.</p><p>But is that really what ur saying if it turns out to be the truth ??</p><p>And incase u havent noticed, 95% of the ppl here say the same thing about rangers as i do, the only ppl that defend rangers are ppl who play rangers. Just like urself..</p><p>What a tool u are..</p><p>Pretty funny i didnt play my brig back when they where mad OP, u know back when all debuffs had pve numbers, double up was way better and stun immunity didnt excist.</p><p>Bah why am i even replying to u, ur not even close to making sense or being accurate =)</p><p>I will leave u with this. Almost all i know in this game have been in the same situation when trying to lvl. 8 out of 10 times they got atacked it was a ranger.. What do u think happens when <span style="text-decoration: underline;">new</span> players gets humiliated without a chance to fight back or flee because the ranger class is so retardedly easy with auto procing snares and huge range ??</p><p>Do they</p><p>A) say this is fun im gonna keep playing.</p><p>Or</p><p>B) say screw this and log out and stop playing on our server ?</p><p>Dont u have that weird feeling in ur stomach when ever u kill yet another helpless quester on ur ranger ?</p><p>Dont u ever say to ur self, man i would be annoyed as hell to be killed in such a way. I.e no chance of fighting back or run away..</p><p>No wonder pvp is declining constantly with classes like that scaring away new players.. They dont even have a chance to see what is killing them. Its just pop ur dead and u deserved it cause u didnt pan 360 constantly, u moved away from the dock, u moved away from obstacles to hide behind, u left town alone, u didnt run totems, u didnt cure a snare that will be applied on next auto.. And so on and so on.</p><p>Bah im sure this is all wasted words on u, just like it is on 99% of all rangers that have been corrupted by their killing powers.</p>

[Valdar]

<p>Actually I kiled rangers 1v1 on my Illy last xpac when they could 1 shot me and at best I had 2 autoattack cycles to kill them. I also kill most of them on my SK now. And when I am out on my ranger sorcerers that play smart can give me a hard time, same for a brawler. Also, geared healers can be hard to bring down.</p><p>As for most people crying on the boards, pretty much 90% of Freeport only pvp's in a zerg these days and when you catch them away from it they either run or die pretty fast and don't seem to have a clue, so just because a lot of people whine doesn't mean there is a massive issue.</p><p>If your class has problems fighting rangers 1v1 then duo or get a group, preferably with a class that can eat them for breakfast. This isn't a solo game.</p>

[Jab]

<p><cite>Phaust@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Actually I kiled rangers 1v1 on my Illy last xpac when they could 1 shot me and at best I had 2 autoattack cycles to kill them. I also kill most of them on my SK now. And when I am out on my ranger sorcerers that play smart can give me a hard time, same for a brawler. Also, geared healers can be hard to bring down.</p><p>As for most people crying on the boards, pretty much 90% of Freeport only pvp's in a zerg these days and when you catch them away from it they either run or die pretty fast and don't seem to have a clue, so just because a lot of people whine doesn't mean there is a massive issue.</p><p>If your class has problems fighting rangers 1v1 then duo or get a group, preferably with a class that can eat them for breakfast. This isn't a solo game.</p></blockquote><p>Why cant a ranger kill u on ur illu if all it takes is two auto ??How incompetent do u have to be if u cant kill somebody within two cycles of auto.</p><p>Either u have the most insane dps ever, or u are just fighting scrub rangers with no idea of getting the jump or using anti cc items. Either way i dont believe u.</p><p>A good ranger can kill almost anything if they engage on their terms, which is fairly easy when u have 50m range.</p><p>Anywyas that fact that u say 90% of freps only pvp in zerg speaks volume about what a tool u are.</p><p>You cant really think that for some magical reason the ppl that roll frp are diffrently from q. I mean what are the odds that u can split ppl up accordingley to their personality like that..</p><p>Here is a tip. Sop believing what the big boys tell u. Zerg happens on both sides my young friend.</p><p>Q and frp are the same players, we all hop back and forth "betraying" or have toons on both side of the fence.</p><p>Its thinking like that, that makes it possible for right wing organizations to recruit dumb individuals that actually think there is a fundamental diffrence between humans. We are the same damnit..Go to school or open a book. Educate urself before u end up as that guy with kkk tatoed on his forehead <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Valdar]

<p>I killed them on my Illu because 1 xpac back you could still do that. Not so anymore which is why I don't even bother playing the toon in pvp anymore. Well, that and the fact that 95% of pvp is zerg pvp, in which playing a chanter sucks. If you believe it or not doesn't matter to me, that was the way it was.</p><p>As for Freeps being different people from Q's, that is your statement. I only have toons on Q side atm, and just saying that the people I ran into outside of KP zerg usually try to run or just fail horribly. There are a few exceptions of course but that has been my experience this xpac. I'll leave the rest of your rant alone.</p><p>As for rangers being invincible, I think there are quite a few classes out there that can give them a run for their money. And if you want to bring back some balance to the game then don't nerf class abilities, nerf abilities that classes shouldn't have but get through gearprocs.</p><p>Unlimited mana for fighters with the earring.Crazy heals for dps classes with the 2 wrists and adorns.Unlimited power for wardens.</p><p>Bring back classes to their original design and nerf autoattack and this game would be a lot more skill based then it is now.</p>

[Jab]

<p><cite>Phaust@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I killed them on my Illu because 1 xpac back you could still do that. Not so anymore which is why I don't even bother playing the toon in pvp anymore. Well, that and the fact that 95% of pvp is zerg pvp, in which playing a chanter sucks. If you believe it or not doesn't matter to me, that was the way it was.</p><p>As for Freeps being different people from Q's, that is your statement. I only have toons on Q side atm, and just saying that the people I ran into outside of KP zerg usually try to run or just fail horribly. There are a few exceptions of course but that has been my experience this xpac. I'll leave the rest of your rant alone.</p><p>As for rangers being invincible, I think there are quite a few classes out there that can give them a run for their money. And if you want to bring back some balance to the game then don't nerf class abilities, nerf abilities that classes shouldn't have but get through gearprocs.</p><p>Unlimited mana for fighters with the earring.Crazy heals for dps classes with the 2 wrists and adorns.Unlimited power for wardens.</p><p>Bring back classes to their original design and nerf autoattack and this game would be a lot more skill based then it is now.</p></blockquote><p>We are not far apart in our thinking.</p><p>Ofc rangers are not 100% invincible, but the way they go about their business compared to other classes is a downright insult to the rest of us. Autoattack and procs. Dosent get much easier imo. If u can find ur sprint, ranged autoattack button and directional keys, well then u are rdy to play a ranger in eq2. That is lame...</p><p>We agree on the rest more or less, class definition and abilities are so mixed that u cant tell what class is designed to do what anymore.</p><p>As u say, heals for dps/tanks classes, power regen for almost all classes, sorcs tanking, healers doing dps as u never seen before, tanks doing even more dps then what pure dps classes can only dream of, and so on and so on.</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

[Valdar]

<p>So let's fix pvp first and if rangers are a problem then tone them down <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Jabib@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Phaust@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Every post Jabib makes seems to be crying about rangers. Pretty funny since he rolled a brig when they were rediculously OP and they remained so for a long time.</p><p>At the moment the game is balanced reasonably well for group vs group.</p></blockquote><p>So what ur saying is that a ranger on a flying mount that can move in all directions wont be a fricking pain ?</p></blockquote><p>No, pretty sure what he is saying is that you cry about rangers all the time and are pretty much just mad that you made a class that was massivly OP at the time you made it and are sorta just mad that you get WTFPWNED by rangers...</p>

[Jab]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jabib@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Phaust@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Every post Jabib makes seems to be crying about rangers. Pretty funny since he rolled a brig when they were rediculously OP and they remained so for a long time.</p><p>At the moment the game is balanced reasonably well for group vs group.</p></blockquote><p>So what ur saying is that a ranger on a flying mount that can move in all directions wont be a fricking pain ?</p></blockquote><p>No, pretty sure what he is saying is that you cry about rangers all the time and are pretty much just mad that you made a class that was massivly OP at the time you made it and are sorta just mad that you get WTFPWNED by rangers...</p></blockquote><p>Im not mad about anything that have happend to my class, it was needed and it got changed. But thx for assuming on my behalf.. /sigh</p><p>I dont get wtfpwned by rangers, why ? i dont do open world pvp anymore =)</p><p>The overshadowing problem with rangers is that u can spent 10hours on em and then go kill all classes if u have space to do it in and the knowledge of when to equip pwr draining gear/poisons.</p><p>In the other corner u have everybody else that have to spent x2 x3 x4 the amount of time plus playing in a very specific way in order to just go up against rangers, and then ur not even playing for a victory, ur just playing for staying alive unless u get lucky and catch them off guard.</p><p>And lets not even begin to talk about the smart rangers that really know how to use elevation to their adv.</p><p>Any good ranger can purch himself on high ground and before u can even get to them ur toast. Oh u wanna just run away instead of fighting.. EHHHH wrong choice. Fettering and range ftw..</p><p>I have said it elsewhere.</p><p>If u can find ur sprint, ranged autoattack button and directional keys then ur all set for eq2 pvp as a ranger, throw in some knowledge of when to equip pwr drain gear and u can basicly take on any class in the game.. How lame is that tbh. Why even bother kitting ur toon out and spending loads of time building it and nesting for details when u end up fighting agaisnt the odds vs a guy who spent next to no time and efford compared.</p><p>Either way i will continue to cry" until this game becomes worth playing tbh. But until that happens u can bet ur sweet behind that i will continue to call it as i see it. But thx for caring about the good of the game more then catering to ur own selfish needs..</p>