Lore for DoV?

[Homeskillet]

<p>Well we know there is no official website for DoV, but what about lore? There has been no lore released leading up to DoV...Kraytok Killingfrost and the Order of Rime play a huge part in Velious and that has been a dead end since being released.</p><p>The only bit of lore has been tied to a Station Cash release, yes after the fact there was a shoddy lore writeup about the origins of the Freeblood but it was an afterthought to the marketing push. It makes me dread the expansion. I play high end, and spend my time at the end game but my biggest focus has always been the lore. With SF we had barely anything as far as in game lore additions, no books, no quests, no mysteries. Velious is one of the richest continents as far as the history of Norrath goes, and apparently plays a huge part in Ages End and I have this sick feeling all that will get pushed aside in the rush to get the next weapon on Station Marketplace.</p><p>I know DCUO is pulling resources, SC is a priority and Smoke is trying to be in lockstep with Blizzard but come on...this part of the forums dies a bit more each day.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>actually the Freeblood link to DoV is flimsy at best. really it's only conecction is that Sarkon exhibits the same traits as Tserrina did with mayong in the fact that he was not subserviant to the vampire/bloodline that spawned him. The Order of Rime is probably in Velious..and I'll wager is either the actual force in charge of Kael Drakkel now, or are teh remnant of the potentially fallen city.</p><p>really the only things we know about Velious is that Tserrina has supposedly thrived, and her Tower is a force to be reckoned with now. that Kerafrym has more them likely setup shop there, and that we need to drain the powers of Exnous and Aeteok from him... either by finding a way to reverse the process or killing him. We know that Rallos is making a play there...seemingly the first God that's getting over his fear of Theer...or potentially thinking he can take Kera and get the god killing power for himself.</p><p>we know thurgadin still exists...but that's about all we know.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)</span></p>

[Meirril]

<p>It really isn't possible to have a Lore discussion about Velious until it hits live. After all, until it hits live it doesn't really exist in EQ2.</p><p>Also, isn't the beta under NDA still?</p><p>We could discuss the lead-up quest. I'm a little disappointed that I won't be able to hunt Lodi in EQ2, but I do have to admit he is more impressive as a transport ship than the Icebreaker ever was. Also, considering that most people will take the big turtle to Velious all of once and will always use druid rings, wizard spires and probably bells to get there afterward you might as well make the first time something epic.</p><p>But to stay on topic, I don't see why the Othmir have switched to shell hats instead of an actual fez. Stupid shells.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300;">Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300;">What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300;">Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)</span></p></blockquote><p>That's Velkator the Sorcerer, (former) owner of Velkator's Labyrinth. I'm hoping we'll find out how he was overthrown and turned into a trophy. As for a black dragon... well.. There were tons of dragons of all colors on Velious, including Harla Dar as a black dragon, but there were others that wandered around all over the place.</p><p><img src="http://everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/007_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p>CALLED IT! Assuming that's not just part of the zone furnitings, that's the Idol of Rallos Zek right there. Kill him and the Avatar of War spawns... At least, that's how it was in EQlive. I don't expect that to change, but if it really does turn out to be Rallos Zek himself, then that's cool too.</p><p>Also, Why the hell are they charging $90 for a freaking special edition?</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300;">Tserrina is a raid target (and sporting some seriously cool armour, about from wearing her kneepads as a bra)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300;">What ah want to know is: who is the dude frozen in the wall? And wasn't the dragon that used to wander around white (and no, not talking about Lady Vox)? There is now a black dragon, and what appears to be a similar portal to that found in Neriak (the inactive Seagate)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300;">Oh, and it does look like Rallos makes an appearance (certainly looks like him)</span></p></blockquote><p>That's Velkator the Sorcerer, (former) owner of Velkator's Labyrinth. I'm hoping we'll find out how he was overthrown and turned into a trophy. As for a black dragon... well.. There were tons of dragons of all colors on Velious, including Harla Dar as a black dragon, but there were others that wandered around all over the place.</p><p><img src="http://everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/007_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p>CALLED IT! Assuming that's not just part of the zone furnitings, that's the Idol of Rallos Zek right there. Kill him and the Avatar of War spawns... At least, that's how it was in EQlive. I don't expect that to change, but if it really does turn out to be Rallos Zek himself, then that's cool too.</p><p>Also, Why the hell are they charging $90 for a freaking special edition?</p></blockquote><p>Black dragon that comes to mind is Zlandicar, our old friend from Dragon Necropolis. As for the Avatar of War being present well...duh, SF is riddled with the minions of the Zek twins and Kraytok Killingfrost and the Order of Rime has had strong overtones with Rallos Zek from the get go (aside from my calling them out to be Kromrif and Kromzek from the get go). I'm curious to see how much they flesh it out, will Skyshrine be around? Will it be a ruin due to the Sleeper's likely rampage to avenge himself upon the dragonkin that betrayed him?</p><p>I have a feeling though this will be more based around the conflict of Zek and his legions with maybe the Coldain, I don't see the dragons as being a big a player anymore.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ yeah but what matters is whether or not we actually fight Rallos Zek like the description told us, or if it was just a screw up by the PR guys who wrote it, not realizing that it's actually just the Avatar of War.</p><p>I would imagine Zlandicar will still be in the Dragon Necropolis in the 2nd half of the expansion. <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=20912" target="_blank">I also hope he looks closer to his original design</a> and not just <a href="http://everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/006_lrg.jpg" target="_blank">another generic dragon</a>. Heck, judging by the giants standing next to it, I don't think it's him.</p>

[Ocello]

<p><cite> ICusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ yeah but what matters is whether or not we actually fight Rallos Zek like the description told us, or if it was just a screw up by the PR guys who wrote it, not realizing that it's actually just the Avatar of War.</p><p>I would imagine Zlandicar will still be in the Dragon Necropolis in the 2nd half of the expansion. <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=20912" target="_blank">I also hope he looks closer to his original design</a> and not just <a href="http://everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/006_lrg.jpg" target="_blank">another generic dragon</a>. Heck, judging by the giants standing next to it, I don't think it's him.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah I wasn't too excited to see what looks like another generic dragon standing there in the freaking promo screenies for what is supposed to be the biggest expansion in EQ2 history (imo).</p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p>From what I remember, This is only part 1 of Velious. I think their are 3 parts.</p><p>I don't think Skyshrine, Cobalt Scar, or Western Wastes are in part 1 Part 1 might cover everything up till you get to the Wakening Wood.</p><p>I'm probably wrong. But I do remember Velious supposedly being released in parts.</p><p>They might of changed that since Fanfaire</p><p>Also, I suppose we find out how Erollisi Marr comes back to life in Velious, or on Erollisi day this year..</p>

[Cusashorn]

Yeah they owe us big time for that one. They better bring her back.

[Stubbswick]

<p>Yeah, I think that's my biggest beef right now... there's all these plotlines that seem to fizzle out.  I hope there's good lore in Velious, and there probably will be, but I want them to start finishing some of the stories they started.</p><p>We still don't know much about what happened to Erollisi or Mithaniel since Shard of Love.  E. Day last year had new lore, but it didn't really further the existing story.  And New Halas brought around hints of the Marr's influence, but no more word.</p><p>Then there was the anniversary festival, which I was surprised happened again this year.  But again, no new info about Thumore D'Armer.  We assume he's Morrell Thule, who is tied to the above.  But not sure.</p><p>Then there's the "Where's Lucan" plotline, which although it was resolved, doesn't feel resolved.  I mean, he's supposed to be back in Freeport now, but it's hard to feel his influence besides the fact that you don't get kicked running around in Freeport.  Maybe he could convince the group of NPCs that like to hang out in a big group in WFP to start clearing out some rubble.  What happened to Tayil and Murrar?  Are they dead?  In hiding?  Are Antonia and her secret society happy with her decision to bring him back?  Is anything going to change in Freeport/Qeynos whatsoever, or is it business as usual?</p><p>Those are the big ones I can think of.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>what makes you say Tserrina is a raid target? the pictures I see of her make her look like a group target...or maybe there's 2 versions of her. a raid version and a group version. though if your going by the fact she's all alone on her floor/room...she was all alone in EQ1 too. there was nothing on her floor but her.</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>what makes you say Tserrina is a raid target? the pictures I see of her make her look like a group target...or maybe there's 2 versions of her. a raid version and a group version. though if your going by the fact she's all alone on her floor/room...she was all alone in EQ1 too. there was nothing on her floor but her.</p></blockquote><p>But there could be more than one floor per group/raid instance.  Do you really think they would have a different zone for every floor? (there were 7 or 8, right?)</p><p>And yeah, it's possible there's 2 versions of her.  They did that with Perah'Celsis in this expansion.</p>

[Gninja]

<p>The pictures on the preorder website do not show Tserrina if you are referring to those.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>So that woman with the white skin, purple markings..bearing that sword isn't Tserrina? ( I did kinda thinkg ti was odd for her to have a sword...considering she's a mage.)</p>

[Gninja]

<p>Correct that is <strong>not </strong>Tserrina.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Correct that is <strong>not </strong>Tserrina.</p></blockquote><p>That is a minion of Zek. Possibly a Sullonite by the fact she is female. Also, the location may be Kael Drakkel due to the general motif of the area, especially the head of what looks like a Dar brood dragon mounted behind her. The horn and face style matches the appearance of Phara Dar as well as her parents Harla Dar and Jaled Dar.</p>

[Llogwey]

oh I suppose teh woman we see on the preorder site may be Sullon Zek maybe... she looks rather warrior and has something that reminds me of the tallonites... as for Tserinna, in terms of concept art, I suppose that the woman we see in the eq2players background picture on the right, well this one is Tserrina... (and rallos on the left)

[Cusashorn]

<p>Or she may be someone else entirely. I doubt she'd be Sullon Zek herself, or even an avatar of that diety.</p>

[MixxitNDance_Live]

<p><strong>Velketor the Sorcerer</strong></p><p><img src="http://www.everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/008_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id5510.png" width="268" height="522" /></p><p><strong>The Statue of Rallos Zek</strong></p><p><img src="http://www.everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/007_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id5508.png" width="322" height="345" /></p><p>The Wakening Lands</p><p><img src="http://www.everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/001_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p><img src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/wakening-outpost.jpg" width="1024" height="768" /></p><p><strong>Iceclad Ocean</strong></p><p><img src="http://www.everquest2.com/_themes/default/images/game_info/updates/59/screens/005_lrg.jpg" width="800" height="450" /></p><p><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_234sVw8l0Y0/S4c5onp8djI/AAAAAAAADfY/Bo-zLw68IQk/Tower+of+frozen+shadow.jpg" width="800" height="600" /></p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p>I also hope the lore is revealed soon.  There seems to be alot of different angles and players involved (Rallos/Rime/Tserrina/Firiona/Duality/Kael Drakkal/Coldain/Dragons).</p><p>I think many questions will be answered, and I also hope that many questions arent left unasnwered or pushed into oblivion as sometime they do if not given attention in a timely manner.</p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p>From what I have seen in the Teaser that was just released:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJjCg5ft8&feature=feedu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJ...p;feature=feedu</a></p><p>It appears that Kraytok Killingfrost kicked old Velks in his face and took over his Labyrnth. I wonder how that happened? Could the Rime be a result of something that Velks was doing?</p><p>Only reason I'm saying that is that I saw spiders in a Labrynth. So like, yeah. That's gotta be Velks Labby that was taken over.</p><p>People probably already know this.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>From what I have seen in the Teaser that was just released:</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJjCg5ft8&feature=feedu" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kWJ...p;feature=feedu</a></p><p>It appears that Kraytok Killingfrost kicked old Velks in his face and took over his Labyrnth. I wonder how that happened? Could the Rime be a result of something that Velks was doing?</p><p>Only reason I'm saying that is that I saw spiders in a Labrynth. So like, yeah. That's gotta be Velks Labby that was taken over.</p><p>People probably already know this.</p></blockquote><p>Spiders AND an exceptionally long vertical climb up narrow ramps. Thats what made Velks so fun back then.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.</p><p>considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the Order of Rime is devoted to Velk....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ It'd be easier to just melt the ice with heat. :p</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.</p><p>considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the <strong>Order of Rime is devoted to Velk</strong>....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.</p></blockquote><p>The Order of Rime, as far as everyone under Kraytoc, is devoted to Kraytoc Killingfrost alone; fanatically so. </p>

[Rainmare]

<p>True, the underlings are devoted to Kraytoc...but that doesn't mean Kraytoc didn't form the Order for the purpose of freeing Velk. though I bet that yeah, the story is that Kraytoc usurped him...I do think the idea of him wokring to free Velk and use him as a powerful ally against say, Kael Drakkel would be a better story.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm not so sure the Kraytoc took over the labyrinth by force though. it might be that Kraytoc is an ally to Velk...and part of the reason he's been scouring the world for magical artifacts is trying to get Velk out of that block of ice.</p><p>considering rime is a covering of ice, you coudl theorize that the <strong>Order of Rime is devoted to Velk</strong>....who is as of right now, covered in ice...which is also why Kraytoc was so interested in the Shard of Sol that Ione the Lifebringer possessed. to utilize it to let Velk loose. after all if I remember right, he was an outcast from Kael Drakkel, and considered one o fthe more powerful mages of the Kromrif/Kromzek. He'd make a useful ally.</p></blockquote><p>The Order of Rime, as far as everyone under Kraytoc, is devoted to Kraytoc Killingfrost alone; fanatically so. </p></blockquote><p>Coercively so as well...</p><p>Honestly, I think if they wanted to free Velkator, they'd just take a torch and melt the ice.</p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p>Isn't the Ice in Velious Magical? Velium?</p><p>Figured Velium meant super strong magic ice from Velious</p><p>It might not be as simple as melting him out.</p><p>Or maybe they did take the place from Velks..</p><p>I dunno lol</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>Concerning Rallos Zek.</p><p>Are Rallosian worshippers going to be able to walk up to Zek without being immediately killed? If we have enough faction, is walking through the Zek-held parts of Velious not going to be KoS for us?</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Interesting tidbit. they've got pictures of the paintings for the preorders that clicky teleport....one of them is a teleplort to the 'ringwar'. I guess the big battle in Eq1 was only the first one in that war.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Isn't the Ice in Velious Magical? Velium?</p><p>Figured Velium meant super strong magic ice from Velious</p><p>It might not be as simple as melting him out.</p><p>Or maybe they did take the place from Velks..</p><p>I dunno lol</p></blockquote><p>Velium is a magical Ice-like metal. It's actually a metal mineral through and through, but it looks and feels like ice. Velium cannot melt, though heat can be applied to apparently shape it into armor and weapons, but most of the continent is still just ordinary rocks, snow, and ice.</p><p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Concerning Rallos Zek.</p><p>Are Rallosian worshippers going to be able to walk up to Zek without being immediately killed? If we have enough faction, is walking through the Zek-held parts of Velious not going to be KoS for us?</p></blockquote><p>While it's probably not impossible, I doubt they'd take RZ worshippers into account over just giving a faction to the giants that all players can work for. It wouldn't be fair to good aligned players if it was based off an evil-only diety faction.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Concerning Rallos Zek.</p><p>Are Rallosian worshippers going to be able to walk up to Zek without being immediately killed? If we have enough faction, is walking through the Zek-held parts of Velious not going to be KoS for us?</p></blockquote><p>Honestly, you expect the giants to believe your worthy to be in their presence just because you claim to worship Rallos Zek? Any true follower of Zek would be impressed by your achievments and deeds, not by words.</p><p>I've always felt that of all the gods, Zek would be the only one that would admire a follower that attempted to best him in a straight fight. It wouldn't stop Zek from killing the follower, but maybe a toast if the fight was memorable.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Even back in EQlive, RZ worshippers were given a Dubious status with the giants at first. It meant that the very moment they killed even a single frost giant, they'd become KOS.

[RoninSenshi]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Concerning Rallos Zek.</p><p>Are Rallosian worshippers going to be able to walk up to Zek without being immediately killed? If we have enough faction, is walking through the Zek-held parts of Velious not going to be KoS for us?</p></blockquote><p>Honestly, you expect the giants to believe your worthy to be in their presence just because you claim to worship Rallos Zek? Any true follower of Zek would be impressed by your achievments and deeds, not by words.</p><p>I've always felt that of all the gods, Zek would be the only one that would admire a follower that attempted to best him in a straight fight. It wouldn't stop Zek from killing the follower, but maybe a toast if the fight was memorable.</p></blockquote><p>As Cusa said, in EQ1 Rallos Zek followers were dubious (Not KOS) to the Giants, and you could work on faction with the Giants if you killed their enemies (Coldain and Dragons). In EQ1 I ended up with Max Ally faction with the Giants.</p>

[Aneova]

<p>I want snow bunny faction <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I never understood that in EQ1 though. Rallos' faith is all about proving yourself in combat. I never understood how I could walk to a giant and say 'I'm a follower of rallos' and him still not wanna try and squish me just so I could prove my worth. you know that doctrine of the worthy are the ones that are still alive and the unworthy are the ones bleeding on the ground.</p>

[Cusashorn]

^ Your reputation proceeds you. They know you're coming, and they know who you are. .... Just run with it, it makes it easier if you don't try to apply logic to it.

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>^ Your reputation proceeds you. They know you're coming, and they know who you are. .... Just run with it, it makes it easier if you don't try to apply logic to it.</blockquote><p>Just saying from a Lore stand point it could go either way and we really shouldn't complain. Honestly, the giants could blame the outsiders for everything bad happening to them and they would be more or less correct. There really isn't any reason they would say "I hate all your friends, but since your carrying around an altar dedicated to my god as a sign of good faith I won't kill you now."</p><p>I'd love to see a faction set up similar to EQ1's velious, but I don't think EQ2's dev team is likely to do that. I think they perfer a more straight forward approach of "the players are on this side, and everybody lives through the same story."</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Yikes. The Wakening Lands have not faired well without Tunare's influence.</p><p><img src="http://everquest2.com/images/en/features/expansions/destiny_of_velious/portalpainting_wakeninglands.png" /></p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Never got that far in EQ1, mostly got to the point of being able to Duo and rarely Solo some of the Giants for their meat. So I could make those Frost Giant Steaks, Chlronie Shadowfist was a Cook as opposed to her Descendant Klornie Shadowfist being a Jeweler. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I'm hoping for some Gnoll Faction in Velious. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yikes. The Wakening Lands have not faired well without Tunare's influence.</p></blockquote><p>What do you expect with 500 years of Kael Drakal chopping down trees? I can see why they wouldn't touch the bloom of growth though, anything to keep the trees growing so they can continue to feed the city fresh wood.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Never got that far in EQ1, mostly got to the point of being able to Duo and rarely Solo some of the Giants for their meat. So I could make those Frost Giant Steaks, Chlronie Shadowfist was a Cook as opposed to her Descendant Klornie Shadowfist being a Jeweler. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I'm hoping for some Gnoll Faction in Velious. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> </span></p></blockquote><p>I've always felt that Icepaw Gnolls should be a player race.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Me as well, even did some drawings on them.</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yikes. The Wakening Lands have not faired well without Tunare's influence.</p></blockquote><p>What do you expect with 500 years of Kael Drakal chopping down trees? I can see why they wouldn't touch the bloom of growth though, anything to keep the trees growing so they can continue to feed the city fresh wood.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think they ever cared about the Bloom. It would have just been another tree to them, but just look at that thing. The bloom itself is dieing..... Of course, the Bloom is suppose to be in Faydwer with Wuoshi, but the [Removed for Content] thing itself looks like it's dieing.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yikes. The Wakening Lands have not faired well without Tunare's influence.</p></blockquote><p>What do you expect with 500 years of Kael Drakal chopping down trees? I can see why they wouldn't touch the bloom of growth though, anything to keep the trees growing so they can continue to feed the city fresh wood.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think they ever cared about the Bloom. It would have just been another tree to them, but just look at that thing. The bloom itself is dieing..... Of course, the Bloom is suppose to be in Faydwer with Wuoshi, but the [Removed for Content] thing itself looks like it's dieing.</p></blockquote><p>Isn't Wuoshi dead, with his heart in the possession of Xilania Nevagon? He was conspicuously absent when we return to the Emerald Halls to discover Firiona Vie. Either that or him not being there at the time was an oversight.</p>

[Cusashorn]

^ Or just not important.

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>^ Or just not important.</blockquote><p>Certainly possible, though it is rather annoying that they generally cant even get something like that consistent. Considering that he was heavily invested in the bloom, him not being there as I said either indirectly confirms he is dead, or like you said...they just didn't care.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>^ Or just not important.</blockquote><p>Certainly possible, though it is rather annoying that they generally cant even get something like that consistent. Considering that he was heavily invested in the bloom, him not being there as I said either indirectly confirms he is dead, or like you said...they just didn't care.</p></blockquote><p>Regardless, the Bloom of Growth was moved by Wuoshi upon request of Tunare to Faydwer. The Bloom would not have remained in Wakening Lands and thus the area should have died out. It was only the combination of the existing volcanic springs located in that area of Velious coupled with Tunare's inteference that allowed the land to flourish like it did.</p><p>If the Wakening Lands is still either somewhat lush and/or not a frozen wasteland, then the Dev's again ignored their own lore foundation.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>actually I would imagine Tunare's influence was a mnore direct change in the climate for that area to allow the growth. the forest was a living thing under Tunare's influence, the giants complained bout the forest 'fighting back' against them. it's ben dying since Tunare's inflence left...but still seems to hopld on to some of the last vestages fo Tunare's power. thought the giants have clear cut the heck out of it.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>^ Or just not important.</blockquote><p>Certainly possible, though it is rather annoying that they generally cant even get something like that consistent. Considering that he was heavily invested in the bloom, him not being there as I said either indirectly confirms he is dead, or like you said...they just didn't care.</p></blockquote><p>Regardless, the Bloom of Growth was moved by Wuoshi upon request of Tunare to Faydwer. The Bloom would not have remained in Wakening Lands and thus the area should have died out. It was only the combination of the existing volcanic springs located in that area of Velious coupled with Tunare's inteference that allowed the land to flourish like it did.</p><p>If the Wakening Lands is still either somewhat lush and/or not a frozen wasteland, then the Dev's again ignored their own lore foundation.</p></blockquote><p>According to tidbits of lore that someone dropped very early in EQ2's existance Velious was suppose to have experienced climate changes when shards of Luclin impacted the area. The ice shelf was melted exposing ancient vellium. The Lands were suppose to have warmed and the Waking Lands flourished in the new climate.</p><p>I'm perty sure this massive change to Velious was either completely ignored by later devs (who is left from that pre-release dev team?), or the massive deposits of exposed vellium started to freeze the continent once again and over the past 50 years the ice continues to grow thicker with every passing year.</p><p>With Tunare's return to Norrath, the Bloom of Growth could of manisfested itself in the Waking Lands much like the Avatars manifested on Norrath. It is even possible that your looking at the "ghost" of the bloom of growth there. I hope there is something in game pointing out why it exists.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Tunare's influence was the reason why the forest existed in the first place. A sub-tropical forest flourishing in the center of a continent consisting mostly of ice and snow, located at the south pole of Norrath? Yeah you need divine intervention for something like that to exist. As for Velious, well we know that the continent did melt due to the cataclysms, but as the waters started to settle and time passed on, the continent froze over again and is now covered in snow once more, so I wouldn't say that they're ignoring that lore, but that they also wrote in lore to explain why it's still frozen.

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>^ Or just not important.</blockquote><p>Certainly possible, though it is rather annoying that they generally cant even get something like that consistent. Considering that he was heavily invested in the bloom, him not being there as I said either indirectly confirms he is dead, or like you said...they just didn't care.</p></blockquote><p>Regardless, the Bloom of Growth was moved by Wuoshi upon request of Tunare to Faydwer. The Bloom would not have remained in Wakening Lands and thus the area should have died out. It was only the combination of the existing volcanic springs located in that area of Velious coupled with Tunare's inteference that allowed the land to flourish like it did.</p><p>If the Wakening Lands is still either somewhat lush and/or not a frozen wasteland, then the Dev's again ignored their own lore foundation.</p></blockquote><p>According to tidbits of lore that someone dropped very early in EQ2's existance Velious was suppose to have experienced climate changes when shards of Luclin impacted the area. The ice shelf was melted exposing ancient vellium. The Lands were suppose to have warmed and the Waking Lands flourished in the new climate.</p><p>I'm perty sure this massive change to Velious was either completely ignored by later devs (who is left from that pre-release dev team?), or the massive deposits of exposed vellium started to freeze the continent once again and over the past 50 years the ice continues to grow thicker with every passing year.</p><p>With Tunare's return to Norrath, the Bloom of Growth could of manisfested itself in the Waking Lands much like the Avatars manifested on Norrath. It is even possible that your looking at the "ghost" of the bloom of growth there. I hope there is something in game pointing out why it exists.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, a dev going oops, then retconning and pretending no oops ever occurred.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">That reminds me the in-game map of Norrath will have to become increasing a globe, I wonder if we will get back to having approximate positiosn on map rather then lumped together like they are now?</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">It also makes me wonder if any of Western and Southern Odus was left behind and what has felled the "crator' (other then water) pieces of Luclin? and what happen the Islands in Erud's Cros...err The Erud Ocean?</span></p>

[SgtPmpkn]

<p>If you talk to Yelinak in Thurgadin he has a long dialogue filled with story lore that was not in beta.</p>