some questions about vampires and game [Archive]

Avianna

12-22-2010, 09:58 PM

<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" width="100%"><form action="/eq2/posts/doModeration.m" accept-charset="UNKNOWN" enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" method="post"></form><tbody><tr><td rowspan="2" align="left" valign="top"><div><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/icons/snowflake_a.gif" border="0" /> <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=207565">SmokeJumper</a> <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/icons/soe.gif" border="0" /></div>Sr. Producer <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/avatar/EQ2/staff/avatar_developer.png" border="0" /> Joined: Aug 8, 2005Messages: 389Online </td><td valign="top">The Freeblood vampires are now available in the Marketplace!I'm posting this FAQ about them to hopefully answer as many questions as I can in advance:They're found within the Race Packs section of the Marketplace.You have to purchase the "Unlock: Freeblood" to get the basic Freeblood race unlocked so that you can create Freeblood characters or change an existing character into one with a Race Change Potion.When you make a Freeblood character, you'll gain a whole host of new abilities, including things like "Reveal Inner Self", the ability to reveal the inner demon within to your foes, and a racial passive ability that drains health to repair your own damage while you're in combat. You also get a set of new unarmed combat animations to let you show your savage side during melee.Once you create a Freeblood character, there are other options within the Freeblood Race Pack category. These include the Vampire Deed (a Mistmoore house of your own to use as a lair), the Cloud of Bats ability (changes you to a cloud of bats and gives you Slowfall along with mount-like speed...and which, once you unlock flying mounts in Velious, also gives you the ability to fly), and special effects to add to your new unarmed combat animations.Freeblood accessories are available as an Accessory Pack, and also available a la carte.When you start your Freeblood character, you'll be able to personalize appearance, of course...but you can also customize your "Inner Self" illusion (demon face). Do this after initial customization by going to see any Barber NPC in the game. Turn on your Inner Self illusion, and then purchase a "Shave and a Cut" item from that Barber. As long as you're in demon form when you do this, you'll be able to customize your inner self's appearance this way.And lastly, a quick word about the Winter Promotions campaign. The February reward grants all qualified participants the "Unlock: Freeblood" ability.I'll check this thread sporadically during the break and answer any questions that come up. Enjoy!</td></tr></tbody></table>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ok just a thought here but are we now having to purchase a playable race with smed bucks to get the full content of the game? is that what is happening here? are we supposed to be ok with this? Granted if we have an account that is paid and we are loyal customers for 6 years worth of service then we can get a freebee shot at this playable race 3 months after anyone willing to dive into their wallet and pull you out some cash can have one. Way to treat your loyal customers SJ <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />This is my favorite game and I don't want to see it go down this slippery slope of Hi welcome to EQ2 if you wish to interact with other players then you must purchase this emotions pack, oh, you want to go to qeynos? purchase a drawbridge ticket here. There is a 1.00 fee to use the portal would you like to continue? etc...Now I am sure (or at least I hope) that the above is a far exacteration of what is slowly creaping into the world of norrath, but it demonstrates my point non the less. WE are the player base, WE control the income of this game, WE control how many friends we tell about this game based on how we feel about it, and word of mouth advertising is the best there is, but the flip side is that it is also the worst there is if you upset your loyal customers.Just keep that in mind SJ as these decisions are made try to think about the people that HAVE been here for 6 years first (cause we can bring you new blood if we are happy with the game we will talk), second think about new blood and advertising doing your part to get the name of EQ2 onto every major dept store shelf and a few television ads etc. (I think having Mr. T is a little bit much though). and last but not least keep us in the know. Thanks for listining SJ.There is more to this but that is a good rant for the day. I look forward to your response.Thank you,~Avi

kiku

12-22-2010, 10:24 PM

So let me get this straight, you want 20.00 for freeblood then another 25 for race change potions lol.

Stormtrooper007

12-22-2010, 11:28 PM

20$ for freeblood + 25$ for change race potion + 25$ for the freeblood mount + 15$ for freblood lair + 5$ for freeblood unarmed combat appearance.Total : 90$!!! wait this is the price of 3 expansions [Removed for Content]!SOE treats their customers like juicy milky cows with huge nipples!!!Come on people, you're already paying to play the game, and each new expansions why do you have to pay again to play a new race ??? are you dumb ?You have the power to say no to this scam, if you pay for this, then you will pay for every new race in the future + all sort of new things they won't include in the expansions cause they know you will pay for...And for those people who say "hey you have the choice to pay or not, it's not like they put a gun on ur head blablabla...", yeah either you're someone working for SOE, or you're a [Removed for Content] to not see what is going on...Subscribers have to wait 2 months to play this new race, why ? cause it will encourage most of them to buy it before, yay SOE you're so genious!We already pay each month, we buy the expansions, but now SOE you just crossed the red line with this scam, i would accept it if i was on the F2P version, but this is not the case, and you're doing a big mistake this time, you guys have the reputation to ruin your own games, i guess it's EQ2 time now.People will just quit this game when they'll understand what you're doing, by not including new races, nice looking armors, nice looking mounts, nice looking weapons ingame on purpose and milking their cash for every single thing.

Amnerys

12-22-2010, 11:59 PM

I know this won't make much difference to your point, but just so everyone's clear, there's a Freeblood Accessory Pack available for 3,000 SC which contains the 2,500 SC Cloud of Bats, the 500 SC Ferocity of the Freeblood, and the 1,500 SC Freeblood Contract. So if you're interested in all three accessories, you can buy the pack and save 1,500 SC.And if you're not interested, just ignore me and carry on. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

TorrynWoodsrunner

12-23-2010, 01:01 AM

<cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know this won't make much difference to your point, but just so everyone's clear, there's a Freeblood Accessory Pack available for 3,000 SC which contains the 2,500 SC Cloud of Bats, the 500 SC Ferocity of the Freeblood, and the 1,500 SC Freeblood Contract. So if you're interested in all three accessories, you can buy the pack and save 1,500 SC.And if you're not interested, just ignore me and carry on. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Amnerys, some of us know you're only trying to do your job, and know that we respect you for trying.That said...no, it makes no difference to the point.(Please accept that when I speak to 'you', I speak to SOE as a company. Individuals responsible for certain decisions know who they are, and may take anything they feel as their department to be addressed to them specifically if they wish.)'Saving' 15 dollars still means we have to spend $35 US to get a race, with abilities that were advertised as part of that race, and a house. Then another twenty-five dollars if we want to change a character to said race. So, sixty dollars.SIXTY dollars. Don't bother hiding it behind the little 'SC' moniker. Most of us are smarter than that. It's dollars.That's more than three months subscription. Hell, Sentinel's Fate didn't cost that much at release, and includes far more by way of content, not to mention it was an all-in-one pack, thus making it more worth the expenditure, especially for new players. We were getting value for our money.Where's the value here? Because I'm not seeing it...trying to, but not happening.Even if we sit tight and wait for February, when we're qualified to recieve the new race for free (if we purchase the Velious expansion), will we still have to shell out 15 dollars to get the abilities that were advertised as part of that races appeal?Way to tack on those extra charges and hidden fees. Way to target the 'gotta have it' crowd with tons of disposable cash, and make those of us who juggle finances every month just to keep our accounts open (Remember us? We were here from the beginning.) feel like crap. Starting to feel like a cable company more than an MMO around here. Have I mentioned I don't subscribe to cable?Look, I'll spell it out plain and simple. This Marketplace stuff is starting to tick people off, myself included. Your planning comes off as shoddy, your execution is horrendous, and the idea of the micro (meaning really small)-transaction appears to be lost on you. If you're going to convert Live to a giant marketplace-driven F2P game model, just [Removed for Content]' do it already. The decision to create EQ2X as a seperate entity was a mistake. We know it, you know it, even the people who complained about it enough to get it driven away from Live know it. But if you're gonna do it, for the love of the gods, do it right. I detailed a whole proposal on this situation in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=485222" target="_blank">this thread</a>, which was promptly dropped into the Non-Gameplay Discussion area and as far as I can tell ignored by the powers that be.Getting back on track...this release of the Freeblood (accessories sold seperately) to the SCMP is a joke. Sure, knee-jerk 'gotta have it now' people with that kind of cash will (and have) spend the insane amount of money you're asking. People in my own guild have already done so.Me, it ain't gonna happen. This is pretty much the last straw. And while I'm not going to be one of those who screams and rants and throws the 'I'm cancelling' card, I am going to start being a bit more vocal about my protests, and their possible solutions.Enough for now, I think...

Jaremai

12-23-2010, 01:03 AM

I'd still like a red-name clarification why the advertisement said the Ferocity thing was "included" with the race but now it costs $5 extra?

CorpseGoddess

12-23-2010, 01:07 AM

<cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd still like a red-name clarification why the advertisement said the Ferocity thing was "included" with the race but now it costs $5 extra?</blockquote>There are two. One you get with the race, and another one. I assume they have different animations.

Warkral

12-23-2010, 01:10 AM

<cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know this won't make much difference to your point, but just so everyone's clear, there's a Freeblood Accessory Pack available for 3,000 SC which contains the 2,500 SC Cloud of Bats, the 500 SC Ferocity of the Freeblood, and the 1,500 SC Freeblood Contract. So if you're interested in all three accessories, you can buy the pack and save 1,500 SC.And if you're not interested, just ignore me and carry on. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Ok, but you still have to "unlock" the race at 2000 SC right? So 2000 SC, then you can purchase the accessory pack for another 3000 SC, so a total of 5000 SC for those of us who just really wanted the house? Is this correct?

Amnerys

12-23-2010, 01:24 AM

The house is only availble on characters who are Freeblood.

Warkral

12-23-2010, 01:29 AM

<cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite><blockquote>The house is only availble on characters who are Freeblood.</blockquote>Ok, so if you have a freeblood character at 2000SC, can you purchase just the house for...I think I heard 1500SC? Can any character use the house, or just Freebloods?EDIT: looks like the second part was answered. You HAVE to be Freeblood if I'm not mistaken?

Heimdall00

12-23-2010, 01:34 AM

yep. It makes sense as gnomish lair would look and be entirely different. I am sure that they will come up with LoN version of "Box of many lairs" to allow anyone to have that.P.S. WTB Gnome lair!!!

Myrien

12-23-2010, 01:51 AM

<cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd still like a red-name clarification why the advertisement said the Ferocity thing was "included" with the race but now it costs $5 extra?</blockquote>You get an empty handed weapon with the race. There's no need to buy the ferocity for $5. I learned this the hard way, and boy do I wish that I had looked in my appearance slot before I spent $5.

Myrien

12-23-2010, 01:55 AM

I forgot to add: The vampire lair is SMALL. For $15, it should have been bigger than any existing home. I'm not sure how SOE is justifying the asking price for this home.

shadowscale

12-23-2010, 01:57 AM

i half exect to not see anymore free races again. just think of the mint they will make selling othmer.this is a clear violaten of keeping live and extended seperate. it will only get worse from here.im terrafied to hear what their next fan fair anouncemant will be.just hope no unstable players out there.

Amnerys

12-23-2010, 01:58 AM

More information is now available here:<h3><a class="news_headline" href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3803">New Marketplace Items: The Freeblood Vampire Race & Accessories</a></h3>

HaCkHaCkER

12-23-2010, 02:11 AM

<cite>Avianna@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote> And lastly, a quick word about the Winter Promotions campaign. The February reward grants all qualified participants the "Unlock: Freeblood" ability.</blockquote>About that, me an my smart self decided to purchase this "unlock: freeblood" ability completely forgetting about the promotion in feburary, will we be able to get refunded at all, or maybe 1000 SC back?Edit: changed text color

sorwen

12-23-2010, 02:14 AM

<cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know this won't make much difference to your point, but just so everyone's clear, there's a Freeblood Accessory Pack available for 3,000 SC which contains the 2,500 SC Cloud of Bats, the 500 SC Ferocity of the Freeblood, and the 1,500 SC Freeblood Contract. So if you're interested in all three accessories, you can buy the pack and save 1,500 SC.And if you're not interested, just ignore me and carry on. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Here is a question when the Freeblood free version is obtained will the Freeblood Accessory Pack still be only 3,000 points? That is also when flying mounts will be added right so will that Cloud of Bats Fly at that point or are we going to have to purchase another mount for a seperate additional charge?Edit: Well there is still the first question then. The second is answered on that page that it will be the same Could of Bats."The Cloud of Bats ability shapechanges the vampire into a cloud of bats, which increases out of combat speed by 65% and reduces the falling speed of the caster. Characters who go on to unlock flying mounts in the Destiny of Velious expansion will also be able to use this ability to fly."

Avianna

12-23-2010, 03:31 AM

so here you have it, Smokejumpers future of the game... Want to play that race? Buy it here. Want that race to have some abilitys? buy them here. Oh you wanna travel faster? buy your mount here. What's that you need a place to live? buy that here. I'll tell you what.... since I'm SUCH a nice guy I'll give you all three of these at a discounted price if you want. MUAHAHAHA!This mentality I would expect on a game where it cost me NOTHING to play, However on a game where I pay ANY monthly fee I would expect it to be included with the game. AND GUESS WHAT SMOKEJUMPER, I AM NOT ALONE IN THIS THOUGHT PROCESS AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TELLING OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS GAME! Make us happy first cause we bring you more new blood than ANY commercial or ad could ever net you.You are destroying the game in order to recieve one last quick burst of cashflow from it. and it is sooo sad, I love this game and I don't want to see it end up like this.~Avi

Necress

12-23-2010, 04:34 AM

I usually do not make comments on here and when I do I try my best to be polite and courteous and try to inspire some positivity.However, Being that I am vet of almost 7 years with 2 accts in good standing, I seriously am offended that a new player with cash in hand gets that vampire race before I do. Not to mention if I want it early I must pay out serious cash for it and all the amenities that go with it.I am addicted to this game but ignoring loyal longtime vets hurts and might cause some of us to play less and less until we are just Done with it. I am not threatening to quit and won't do that. If and when I have had enough then decisions will be made. Is it worth $30 a month to watch new players get new content before I can, or to have to pay for more and more items to keep up. I want fairness and this is not fair to Vets. You have already had to merge several servers due to lack of players, this might make it even worse. What are you thinking SOE? Does loyalty mean nothing to you? When that new player leaves and usually they do, us Vets will still be here. Amnery this is not aimed at you but at SOE. However, I think SOE needs to be aware of this issue. This seems its all about the money. Is SOE just a money racket, please say no, and show us differently.I seem to have lost my earlier holiday spirit <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" />

Wurm

12-23-2010, 05:08 AM

But but they gave us "7 year players" a Mistmoore Manor... which I am absolutely not going to use for my main.I might use it for a freeblood though if I ever make one. And right now thats a pretty big if.

Firecracker

12-23-2010, 06:04 AM

Here’s an Idea for you complainersSOE decides to raise their monthly fees to 19.99 like WOW? x12 months =60$ more a year, then maybe you can have the stuff you guys are complaining about for free.You guys really need to consider why they went this way before opening you mouth, I recall reading instead of raising it on us unlike others mmo’s they considered the economy the way it is and decided to make up for in micro transactions for the ones you could.I would suggest this give the ones who want it free with sub of 19.99, so they can have it for FREE by adding 500 SC every month.Problem Solved!ps 6000 sc would of bought the package!

Kordran

12-23-2010, 06:14 AM

Kind of interesting that people are getting all wound up about the fluff, like the housing option and flying bats and not much has been said about the "bloodletting" racial ability, a 2.0 lifetap proc that can critical, and is apparently modified by both potency and critical bonus. That's going to be a big deal with raid buffed toons. And of course, if they decide to nerf it down the road, you're going to have howls of protest from people who spent cash for the race.I can see raid requirements on the horizon:Level 90, 225 AAEvervated epic weaponMinimum 80% critcial mitigationFreeblood RaceFrom what I understand, the Freeblood racials primarily benefit scouts, so at the very least I wouldn't be surprised if hardcore raiding guilds "encourage" their scouts to change race.

kiku

12-23-2010, 06:28 AM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kind of interesting that people are getting all wound up about the fluff, like the housing option and flying bats and not much has been said about the "bloodletting" racial ability, a 2.0 lifetap proc that can critical, and is apparently modified by both potency and critical bonus. That's going to be a big deal with raid buffed toons. And of course, if they decide to nerf it down the road, you're going to have howls of protest from people who spent cash for the race.I can see raid requirements on the horizon:Level 90, 225 AAEvervated epic weaponMinimum 80% critcial mitigationFreeblood RaceFrom what I understand, the Freeblood racials primarily benefit scouts, so at the very least I wouldn't be surprised if hardcore raiding guilds "encourage" their scouts to change race.</blockquote>dramatic much.....I am freeblood now and on a raid toon with 118.3% cb and over 65 pot. The racial ability added a whole .............43 dps tonight in UD. Thats right 43 dps. So calm down before you crap in your pants.

Tatsou

12-23-2010, 10:57 AM

Minus the race. most raid guilds already have that as requirements plus some (crit mit at certain % )As for whining on the race. Smokejumper and several ppl who have quoted him saying originally the freeblood was gonna be Station Cash only. But albeit he was able to pull some strings to make it avaible as a reward with the ones that actually tell him what they think goes for free and what has to be paid. So please learn something bout corporations.Ima veteran player of 7 yrs. Have my mansion and everything and I'll be "buying" the race early only cause I was given some cards as a gift. If I wasnt I'd be waiting till Febuary. This is like the 5 or so post like the others bout how smokejumper rammed it too the vet players and its not his fault. He has to talk politics with his change of command also to get stuff thru as well.Ah, I feel better now that my meds kicked in.

Filly67

12-23-2010, 11:15 AM

I am not going to get into the discussion about the vamps being for sale now. I have feelings on both sides and either way it's my choice to purchase now or wait. I can appreciate people's fustration though since I have had my own on other topics this week. What I really have is some questions about the free charachters that we will get with the expansion if we fit into the requirements. I wanted to respond to SJ's post about the freebloods yesterday but there is no reply option.My questions are:1. Are the freebloods offerred with the expansion and race unlock will we need to puchase a race change potion to change an existing characher? Or will we only be able to role up a new charachter?2. Will we then have the option to get the additional pacs that offer the houses and mounts or are they only "opened" when you actually pay for the race?I haven't seen these questions answered but I apoligize if I missed them somewhere.

Katz

12-23-2010, 11:37 AM

<cite>Amnerys wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know this won't make much difference to your point, but just so everyone's clear, there's a Freeblood Accessory Pack available for 3,000 SC which contains the 2,500 SC Cloud of Bats, the 500 SC Ferocity of the Freeblood, and the 1,500 SC Freeblood Contract. So if you're interested in all three accessories, you can buy the pack and save 1,500 SC.And if you're not interested, just ignore me and carry on. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Will this be available at that price when the free race becomes available to those who wait?<cite>Cinnimon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here’s an Idea for you complainersSOE decides to raise their monthly fees to 19.99 like WOW? x12 months =60$ more a year, then maybe you can have the stuff you guys are complaining about for free.You guys really need to consider why they went this way before opening you mouth, I recall reading instead of raising it on us unlike others mmo’s they considered the economy the way it is and decided to make up for in micro transactions for the ones you could.I would suggest this give the ones who want it free with sub of 19.99, so they can have it for FREE by adding 500 SC every month.Problem Solved!ps 6000 sc would of bought the package!</blockquote>Well....$60.00 more a year vs $60.00 for the race and its package...and then more for anything else that shows up later on station cash. Your example hasn't convinced me.

Kitsi

12-23-2010, 11:42 AM

Excuse me...but why are all of you so damned surprised?Haven't you seen this coming? Didn't you read the forums when the SmedCash, the Marketplace and EQ2 Extended launched? Every single time it has been made very clear the direction of the game.Much like the street corner crack dealer, they have given you the "free" taste. Now it's gonna cost you.SURPRISE! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Have fun.

vexrm

12-23-2010, 11:48 AM

I wonder if the lifetap can crit for fighters....

Jaremai

12-23-2010, 12:13 PM

<cite>Myrien@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd still like a red-name clarification why the advertisement said the Ferocity thing was "included" with the race but now it costs $5 extra?</blockquote>You get an empty handed weapon with the race. There's no need to buy the ferocity for $5. I learned this the hard way, and boy do I wish that I had looked in my appearance slot before I spent $5.</blockquote>Ah okay thanks. That detail wasn't made clear, and until I see a male vampire that doesn't look like he is both exsanguinated (ironic for a vampire) and suffering from a birth defect, I'm not spending $20+ for the pleasure of finding out for myself.I had plans to make a vamp ranger this weekend but when the model reminds me of a bloated original-model dark elf, I just can't see myself doing it. Vampires are supposed to be high-charisma and beautiful so they can seduce their victims before going all feral-sucky on them.. not look like they were beat in the face with a club.

Thunndar316

12-23-2010, 12:19 PM

Aweful lot of money for pixels. Something tells me SOE does not understand the concept of MICROtransactions

Detor

12-23-2010, 12:20 PM

<cite>Cinnimon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here’s an Idea for you complainersSOE decides to raise their monthly fees to 19.99 like WOW? x12 months =60$ more a year, then maybe you can have the stuff you guys are complaining about for free.</blockquote>Only one problem with this statement, and that is Blizzard did no such thing with WoW. The official price is still $15 a month, heck, you can buy 2 month game cards to your heart's content for $24. There was all of 1 site on Google search results that even mentioned a price increase, and then at the bottom of the article it says 'APRIL FOOLS!'

Jovie

12-23-2010, 12:27 PM

They sky is falling the sky is falling!!!While i am personally against the item shops and nickle and diming us to death, i could not resist and bought the race and the pack last night.Shame on me because i would have gotten the race (not sure about the other stuff) for free come February.Oh well, i am going to enjoy it and focus and what is fun for me and not worry about people whining and moaning about this.btw did i see someone mention Othmir race for sale? Please to put that one for sale as i would love it.

JoarAddam

12-23-2010, 12:34 PM

Here's what I don't get... How does owning the race automatically equal a race change for any current toon? How does owning the race equal a gigantic rent free house? How does owning the race equal all new premium animations totally unrelated to your class? How does owning the race automatically equal a 65% runspeed mount that flies when velious comes out?It doesn't. That's why they're extra!When I roll an ogre, i don't automatically expect to be equipped in ogre heritage armor, have a huge rent free oggokian house with an entrance in the feerrott, have a flying war pig mount with 65% runspeed.When i roll a ratonga, i don't expect it to come with a mouse hole chewed in the walls of christanos' palace, a flying ball to run inside of, and nibble animations for all my combat arts... I don't expect to be able to change every character I have to ratonga for free just because I have the ratonga race in my character select...get a grip

Aurorrae

12-23-2010, 12:52 PM

<cite>JoarAddam wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's what I don't get... How does owning the race automatically equal a race change for any current toon? How does owning the race equal a gigantic rent free house? How does owning the race equal all new premium animations totally unrelated to your class? How does owning the race automatically equal a 65% runspeed mount that flies when velious comes out?</blockquote>I don't have any issue with them selling the appearance items, the mount and the house. All fluff.. you can buy if you want or not.I do have an issue with selling a race that has unique racial traits that affect game play. That seems like content to me, not fluff, and we see the line between the two being blurred yet again. If they had simply been dark elves or wood elves with the same racials, so it was really again just appearance, then again, i wouldn't have cared one whit and more power to them to make money for the game.

JoarAddam

12-23-2010, 01:04 PM

I agree that the lifetap trait is slightly unbalancing, enough that it's a decent enticement for someone to want to pay to play one. Not me tho, not till i get it free. I'm not personally a fan of them... yet. Need to let the haters get the anti vamp poison out of their system first and then make the vamp what I think the vamp should be, and not what the haters try to make it out to be. I'm not a twilighter, I'm not a lestat junkie into man on man vamp love... I love the Ferenczy's, Lady Karen, Dramal Doombody, Lesk the Glut, Shaithis.... Wamphyri! Give me the imperceptible beauty BP and the gauntlets from ogre heritage... yeah. That's about what I'm looking for. Pure evil cunning gladiators who mess with your head while they're butchering you and devouring your flesh.

Bubbanif

12-23-2010, 02:16 PM

This snippet is from the bottom of the new info page and I don't think I saw anyone else ask about it yet."Freeblood accessory items can only be seen on the Marketplace by a character who is currently a Freeblood vampire. These items are NO-TRADE. Accesory items are available per character."The part I highlighted caught my attention so that does that mean we only have to buy the accessory pack ONCE and then every vampire character that I make (after I receive it in feb no urgent need for it now) will have access to the house,mount, and claw effects?

Brook

12-23-2010, 02:40 PM

<cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Myrien@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd still like a red-name clarification why the advertisement said the Ferocity thing was "included" with the race but now it costs $5 extra?</blockquote>You get an empty handed weapon with the race. There's no need to buy the ferocity for $5. I learned this the hard way, and boy do I wish that I had looked in my appearance slot before I spent $5.</blockquote>Ah okay thanks. That detail wasn't made clear, and until I see a male vampire that doesn't look like he is both exsanguinated (ironic for a vampire) and suffering from a birth defect, I'm not spending $20+ for the pleasure of finding out for myself.I had plans to make a vamp ranger this weekend but when the model reminds me of a bloated original-model dark elf, I just can't see myself doing it. Vampires are supposed to be high-charisma and beautiful so they can seduce their victims before going all feral-sucky on them.. not look like they were beat in the face with a club.</blockquote>Another detail wasn't made very clear either. The appearance item you buy adds some graphics to the fight motions that the free version doesn't have, they suck though and look much like the cheesy 2d spell animations the recently added, in fact if I didn't know better I would swear they ripped them from a comic book somewhere, so dont waste your money.As for the race, I must agree that whoever decided on the appearance of this model has never seen a vamp movie, at least not Underworld, they dont understand that just because your dead doesn't make you ugly, in fact its just the opposite for a vampire. I do like mine,I switched my Arasai into one, and guess what, I got to keep the same hair.

Jovie

12-23-2010, 02:45 PM

Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.

Thunndar316

12-23-2010, 02:46 PM

Welcome to EmoQuest 2

Carpal_Tunnel

12-23-2010, 02:52 PM

<cite>Necress@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I seriously am offended that a new player with cash in hand gets that vampire race before I do. Not to mention if I want it early I must pay out serious cash for it and all the amenities that go with it.</blockquote>Yea, that^But ah well. Heck, come February I may not care anyhow, if Velious is just SF on ice, my time in Norrath is done once my sub expires.I find the direction this game is going, to be sad. It was a good run though. While I appreciate that they can offer services that way (like character xfers and such) - doing so with itemzation is just money grabbing and offensive. Do that crap on a free server all you want, keep it off live.This subject actually really ticks me off for a variety of reasons. Sure, I know, don't use it if you don't like it - but that isn't the point. Maybe I am too old school. I find the design an insult to what this game, and EQ1, used to be.

Aurorrae

12-23-2010, 03:01 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.</blockquote>Mind you, the racial abilities may not be huge at this point, but I think that it is the line between content and fluff. Is it over the line, even if only by the smallest of margins? I think so.. maybe next time its a little more.. and a little more....

JoarAddam

12-23-2010, 03:06 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.</blockquote>at lvl 90 it's hitting for much more, can crit, is affected by potency and really still isn't that big of a deal, except that it's just a little better than anything anyone else can get. The next best you could compare it to is ogre block chance, except that this doesn't require you to have a shield.

Jovie

12-23-2010, 03:24 PM

Well then, let's grab our torches and pitchforks and march on san diego.

Zacatl

12-23-2010, 03:33 PM

I want my fire breath back !

Aurorrae

12-23-2010, 03:48 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well then, let's grab our torches and pitchforks and march on san diego.</blockquote>Here's my issue and why its more than just Waa! I want 20 more dps NOW!I have one member of my guild who had to take break from the game due to his financial stituation. I have another whose 99 weeks of unemployment are coming to and end and has been budgetting his $15 bucks a month as his sole entertainment budget. Both very skilled players, who put time and effort into their toons and their guild. Good players, great people.The first one will not qualify for the Velious rewards; the second one may not as well. For the two that I know, I am sure there are hundreds more that have been loyal SOE players for years and years.There is now some 13 year old out there who stole a credit card from Mom's purse to buy this for his 3 day RAF'd toon with 90 AAs who can damage that my two guildees cant - not due to time, not due to skill, not due to effort, but because they can open their wallet deeper. It's profoundly disrespectful to two long time, paying, loyal SOE customers.I recognize that the world is not fair, and that not everyone is equal. But I'd like to think that EQ Live was a last bastion where you couldn't buy your way through the world - we have EQ2X, we have Exchange. But not here. But I guess I'm naive.

Detor

12-23-2010, 04:02 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well then, let's grab our torches and pitchforks and march on san diego.</blockquote>For some reason now I want to watch The Animal again.Don't they deserve a fair trial first? YOU, Back of the mob! Ohhhhhhh, but I've been here since noon. This mob sucks.

Kordran

12-23-2010, 04:59 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.</blockquote>I was talking with a friend who's GL got the race, and basically the racial is about the same as the Mortal Lifetap proc that was on the level 80 T3 fabled gear for Assassins and Rangers (somewhere in the 500 range, before crits and bonuses). And for those saying that it's not a big deal, fine, name me one other race with an ability that is anywhere close to this.If they want to add racial damage/healing abilities like this to the races, that's fine. But doing it for one race, the one that you actually have to pay money for ... heck, I understand why they're doing it and I'm sure it's going to make them a pile of money. But we're no longer going down the slippery slope here, we've slid and are in freefall with no idea where the bottom actually is going to be. They seem to be just making up the rules, and then changing them as they go along. If the marketplace is going to be used to sell non-fluff items, races, whatever on the Live servers, then why even create EQ2X in the first place.I've said this before, I don't really object to the marketplace on the whole. What I object to is this "death of a thousand cuts" approach they're taking to the Live servers with regards to SC. Just drop the pretense, go full-on F2P with all of the servers and be done with it. Stop trying to boil the frog slowly ... trust me, the frog is noticing.

BetaTester

12-23-2010, 06:59 PM

i don't group with vampires

Gisallo

12-23-2010, 07:14 PM

<cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.</blockquote>If it works like other racials though this will scale with level so it could potentially be unbalancing. The only way to really tell would be for someone to spend $20.00 on the race and then $25.00 on a race change token. Then we would be able to see what the effect is at lvl 90. I am considering doing it on my zerker for giggles since I accidently bought a race change token when I meant to buy an character transfer token.

Bekkr

12-23-2010, 08:26 PM

<cite>Necress@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am addicted to this game...</blockquote>And SOE knows that. Are you going to stop playing? SOE is betting that you aren't. They also know that, despite all the QQ, this isn't going to make that many people cancel, relatively speaking. It's just business, which folks often seem to forget SOE is.p.s. I don't much like how this has been handled either, but whattaya gonna do?

Vellisse

12-23-2010, 08:30 PM

The racial does 34 DPS on a 90 Ranger.Hardly gamebreaking.

Mellia

12-23-2010, 08:49 PM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Junglelilly@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone is getting up in arms of a 19 point lifetap that averages twice per minute? while it might be considered unbalancing at level 10, at level 90 it will be meaningless.</blockquote>I was talking with a friend who's GL got the race, and basically the racial is about the same as the Mortal Lifetap proc that was on the level 80 T3 fabled gear for Assassins and Rangers (somewhere in the 500 range, before crits and bonuses). And for those saying that it's not a big deal, fine, name me one other race with an ability that is anywhere close to this.If they want to add racial damage/healing abilities like this to the races, that's fine. But doing it for one race, the one that you actually have to pay money for ... heck, I understand why they're doing it and I'm sure it's going to make them a pile of money. But we're no longer going down the slippery slope here, we've slid and are in freefall with no idea where the bottom actually is going to be. They seem to be just making up the rules, and then changing them as they go along. If the marketplace is going to be used to sell non-fluff items, races, whatever on the Live servers, then why even create EQ2X in the first place.I've said this before, I don't really object to the marketplace on the whole. What I object to is this "death of a thousand cuts" approach they're taking to the Live servers with regards to SC. Just drop the pretense, go full-on F2P with all of the servers and be done with it. Stop trying to boil the frog slowly ... trust me, the frog is noticing.</blockquote>I would agree with this, but it presupposes SOE has the slightest clue as to what it is doing. Honestly, I think they are just making stuff up as they go.

Sisaro187

12-26-2010, 11:51 PM

This is a thread to talk about the bugs and problems that i have encountered with the race. 1) If you turn on hide with the vampire bats on, After you get out of combat you become invisible from between 2-5 sec's before the game notices you should be in human like form.2) I have noticed the vampire Form does not work properly in Instances. It is a speed buff not a mount; should this not work in instances? Also if you do have it turned on sometimes in combat in an instance it will shift you to bat form for a few seconds or make you invisible for a few a seconds. Even though your not getting the speed buff.3) There are no voice over Emotes for the vampire race, while you'll rawr or growl in combat and when you change forms thats it... No flirts or sounds other then those mentioned.. IF anyone else has had any problems feel free to add them, and please let me know if im the only one. Thank you

Khalinthias

12-27-2010, 09:54 PM

I have to say that I never post on forums and hardly ever read them, however, I would like to see some feedback on how this is a good decision by SOE? I've played EQ since launch, then went over to EQ2 since beta. It blows me away that this company is now offering a race to play if you pay (not that I haven't paid out hundreds and hundreds of dollars since I started playing EQ). We were told that this would be a perk for people who have subscribed, then BAM they throw the race on the SOE marketplace and make us play for housing??? and race abilities??? Someone in SOE really dropped the ball on this one. If this is the way MMOs are heading (even with those of us not on a free to play server and have paid for every expansion and every month for years) then I'm about done with these games. It's a better business model for them because they are making more money. Will it last? I highly doubt it. This model will get game companies quick cash but will destroy the genre for the people/ players/ fans that made this genre what it is. Please SOE give the game back to the fans/ players. My best times were still working on getting a PGT in EQ and sitting in the tunnels auctioning items. Things have evolved and some are better some are worse. That is the nature of gaming. However, please keep a firm grasp on the one fact that can't be avoided...players run the game. When players leave, the game is dead. With costs these days we all can sit and watch as new games fail within months. This is a game most of us have been playing for years. Don't force us out. Give the game back to the players, the fans, the people that make this game great. My adventures in Norath would be for naught if it wasn't for the community and the people I group with. Not since EQ first came out have I heard more discouragement about the game while playing. I raise my glass to better times, toasting to a glass half full not half empty and wishing that the game I and countless others have loved for so long will come back to the people.-Khalin

scruffylookin

12-28-2010, 02:40 AM

Look on the bright side. It's the one player race you can carry a protest sign for ("Hunter of Vampires").

Avianna

12-28-2010, 07:44 AM

<cite>Khalinthias wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have to say that I never post on forums and hardly ever read them, however, I would like to see some feedback on how this is a good decision by SOE? I've played EQ since launch, then went over to EQ2 since beta. It blows me away that this company is now offering a race to play if you pay (not that I haven't paid out hundreds and hundreds of dollars since I started playing EQ). We were told that this would be a perk for people who have subscribed, then BAM they throw the race on the SOE marketplace and make us play for housing??? and race abilities??? Someone in SOE really dropped the ball on this one. If this is the way MMOs are heading (even with those of us not on a free to play server and have paid for every expansion and every month for years) then I'm about done with these games. It's a better business model for them because they are making more money. Will it last? I highly doubt it. This model will get game companies quick cash but will destroy the genre for the people/ players/ fans that made this genre what it is. Please SOE give the game back to the fans/ players. My best times were still working on getting a PGT in EQ and sitting in the tunnels auctioning items. Things have evolved and some are better some are worse. That is the nature of gaming. However, please keep a firm grasp on the one fact that can't be avoided...players run the game. When players leave, the game is dead. With costs these days we all can sit and watch as new games fail within months. This is a game most of us have been playing for years. Don't force us out. Give the game back to the players, the fans, the people that make this game great. My adventures in Norath would be for naught if it wasn't for the community and the people I group with. Not since EQ first came out have I heard more discouragement about the game while playing. I raise my glass to better times, toasting to a glass half full not half empty and wishing that the game I and countless others have loved for so long will come back to the people.-Khalin</blockquote>Here! here! /raises steinWell said!

Eugam

12-28-2010, 08:29 AM

<cite>scruffylookin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Look on the bright side. It's the one player race you can carry a protest sign for ("Hunter of Vampires").</blockquote>I am going to use the old illusion for a while <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

DrkVsr

12-28-2010, 09:05 AM

<cite>scruffylookin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Look on the bright side. It's the one player race you can carry a protest sign for ("Hunter of Vampires").</blockquote>Actually, they are 3rd behind the bugs (could get the "Hunter of Fairies" very early on, even before the bug player races) and the frogs (which came later)

Jaremai

12-28-2010, 09:33 AM

<cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite><blockquote>bugs</blockquote>I'm gonna come sit on your shoulders and stab you in the ear repeatedly with a froglok tongue.

DrkVsr

12-28-2010, 09:49 AM

Ah have 2 bugs, Blacqphlag Killzphast & Hwalgren N`Gareen, they are fun to play but still bugs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Serignuad

12-30-2010, 01:01 PM

While I understand that this may be a slippery slope, I wouldn't mind seeing a race more powerful than the other basic/free races, afterall it does cost 20.00.However, for that 20.00 I just spent, I am EXTREMELY disappointed that my character has no voice.I bought this race as a Frostfell present to myself, not because I was expecting to be more powerful than all the other free races, but 1) to be a little different and 2) for the STYLE of it.For 20.00 the Freebloods should have had some incredible and fun voice-acting emotes.Very disappointed in this absolutely incredible "over-sight". Other than making my disappointment know here, I will reserve judgement in the hopes that this is corrected soon.Again, for 20.00 we should have had our own unique, and professionally voiced emotes.Just my two drops of blood..

d1anaw

12-30-2010, 03:48 PM

<cite>Myrien@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I forgot to add: The vampire lair is SMALL. For $15, it should have been bigger than any existing home. I'm not sure how SOE is justifying the asking price for this home.</blockquote>Actually it's not small. And you don't HAVE to pay for it.

Tiernu

12-30-2010, 04:43 PM

I have been reading about the new vamp race and I will be getting it free, no offense to those who paid but geez guys that was a dumb move, it's free in FEB.Ok, that said, I doubt I will even use it, seems rather goofy from all I hear and not worth my time, like the DIRE BEAR for a mount.I, too, remember when EQ2 was new and shiny and had us all filled with wide eyed hopes for a game to end all games.I have the baby dragon and all the vet awards, I am proud to be part of the long time players since preorder.Unfortunately, the luster is wearing off fast, why level a crafting TS up to 90 when people go buy the nice furniture off SC. Why bother working hard and leveling up to gain reputation and achievement, just buy buy buy. After all SOE is so broke they need all our hard earned cash in this broken RL economy.Now all SOE needs to do is change the Logo when you log in,, to read "where money comes alive" not adventure anymore folks.When you can buy everything like Kalin said why play the game ,, you have "earned" nothing. This will become (and its closer than you think) buy buy buy, get to end game,, move on to next game. SOE will lose the heart and soul and that is its loyal players. I play 2 accts and will leave when it becomes a "buy everything you need SC game".Smedly and SJ need to listen to their loyal players, not just those who join to get fast end game content then run to another game.I am sad, I miss the real EQ2, the old EQ2, where you earned your way and people respected you for that.

Frenzywolf

12-30-2010, 04:48 PM

<cite>Tiernu@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have been reading about the new vamp race and I will be getting it free, no offense to those who paid but geez guys that was a dumb move, it's free in FEB.Ok, that said, I doubt I will even use it, seems rather goofy from all I hear and not worth my time, like the DIRE BEAR for a mount.I, too, remember when EQ2 was new and shiny and had us all filled with wide eyed hopes for a game to end all games.I have the baby dragon and all the vet awards, I am proud to be part of the long time players since preorder.Unfortunately, the luster is wearing off fast, why level a crafting TS up to 90 when people go buy the nice furniture off SC. Why bother working hard and leveling up to gain reputation and achievement, just buy buy buy. After all SOE is so broke they need all our hard earned cash in this broken RL economy.Now all SOE needs to do is change the Logo when you log in,, to read "where money comes alive" not adventure anymore folks.When you can buy everything like Kalin said why play the game ,, you have "earned" nothing. This will become (and its closer than you think) buy buy buy, get to end game,, move on to next game. SOE will lose the heart and soul and that is its loyal players. I play 2 accts and will leave when it becomes a "buy everything you need SC game".Smedly and SJ need to listen to their loyal players, not just those who join to get fast end game content then run to another game.I am sad, I miss the real EQ2, the old EQ2, where you earned your way and people respected you for that.</blockquote><Sigh> yep Amen.

Brigh

12-30-2010, 05:22 PM

<cite>Tiernu@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately, the luster is wearing off fast, why level a crafting TS up to 90 when people go buy the nice furniture off SC. I am sad, I miss the real EQ2, the old EQ2, where you earned your way and people respected you for that.</blockquote>You can't get housing status reduction for SC.

Dreadpatch

12-30-2010, 05:42 PM

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tiernu@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unfortunately, the luster is wearing off fast, why level a crafting TS up to 90 when people go buy the nice furniture off SC. I am sad, I miss the real EQ2, the old EQ2, where you earned your way and people respected you for that.</blockquote>You can't get housing status reduction for SC.</blockquote>Great, thanks for giving them another idea....