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[Mesiya]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ffffff;">The shadow step hit me for 3k, the auto attack for 1600.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #ffffff;">I have 91% pvp crit mit/7k physical mit/11k avoidance.</span></p><p><img src="http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4646/eq2000146.jpg" /></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">Just want to know if this is how the devs wanted it to go down, gotta say it cheapens pvp a bit.</span></p>

[Wytie]

<p>You are a mage, this is supose to happen.</p><p>That guy got lucky with a quad flurry.</p><p>Wouldnt be any differnt than him eating a double crit bolt of ice.</p><p>If you havent already you should be specing for full defensive as a sorc, you can be very very tough for any class to kill.</p>

[Darkor]

<p>Why is your emergency ward still up in that picture?</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>You can only blame yourself.  And probably luck.</p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Ajjantis@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why is your emergency ward still up in that picture?</p></blockquote><p>Because wizards are like Time Lords. They can still die if it happens too quickly.</p>

[Killque]

<p>Where were all of you to defend the Dirge Mythical?</p><p>Sweet lord.</p>

[spudsmckenzie2]

<p>Great...now we get to listen to Renagade talk about how he hit a sprinkler while mowing the lawn for the next 3 days....thanks Mesiya 8(</p>

[Promagnumm]

<p>WAAAAA</p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Killque wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Where were all of you to defend the Dirge Mythical?</p><p>Sweet lord.</p></blockquote><p>Had this been any other mage than a Sorc, the tone of this thread might be different, but I know how tough a Wiz/Lock can be and so does everyone else.....</p>

[Brynhild]

<p>Yeah but this is a major issue. I've had it happen to me on my cleric, and that's plate. 25k damage from one auto attack from assassin ( an arrow to be exact ). Just because they got a flurry and PFT was active, and a bunch of procs that happened with it.  That's still no excuse for not even having to use any of your skills to kill someone.   Obviously it happens with rangers too, but assassins hit harder and have more flurry chance since their myth now applies to their bow.</p><p>Good fix would be to make all scout/fighter auto attack base damage about half what it is now, and make them use their skills(combat arts, etc) to kill someone.  EQ2 is the only mmo where auto attack damage is huge from melee classes. Of course an increase in the amount of damage each skill does would be required to compensate.    I don't mind if assassinate hits for 10k but when one auto attack hits for 20k that's ridiculous. At least make them use something that has a cooldown.</p>

[Wytie]

<p>IDK when I think of an assassin I think that the class itself should get lucky every now and then and be able to kill someone this way.</p><p>I would only have a problem if a tank or a healer or even an utility class was able to do this but if a Pred gets lucky and does this I dont have a problem with it, they got lucky I can live with that.</p><p>If you were going to lose this way, shouldnt be to a class who's only job is killing?</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><span style="font-size: small;">Obviously wizards are a good pvp class atm (if only because of manaburn) It makes me laugh that you think a double ice comet would hit that hard btw.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">Ofc i am fully defense specc'd (i provided my stats)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">My problem with this is the complete lack of skill required to kill me. I dont mind dying, just not to some scrub just because he can shadow step me and proc 5 flurries.</span></p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;">Obviously wizards are a good pvp class atm (if only because of manaburn) It makes me laugh that you think a double ice comet would hit that hard btw.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">Ofc i am fully defense specc'd (i provided my stats)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">My problem with this is the complete lack of skill required to kill me. I dont mind dying, just not to some scrub just because he can shadow step me and proc 5 flurries.</span></p></blockquote><p>Mana burn? Really? Doesnt that cap at 50% of your targets health at the cost of every bit of your mana?</p><p>Maybe you mean Mana shield, prob so.</p><p>Anyways the point I was trying to make, is you dont get  quad flurried on like that everyday and its perfectly fine to happen every now and then, thats what procs do.</p><p>I dont understand why people feel that they are entitled to never have to lose this way, exp to a class who specilizes in killing people fast and quick before they can react?</p><p>I dont think your class gets a Daze, but if it does you now know the first spell you should almost always open with, whenever you fight an assassin.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;">Obviously wizards are a good pvp class atm (if only because of manaburn) It makes me laugh that you think a double ice comet would hit that hard btw.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">Ofc i am fully defense specc'd (i provided my stats)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;">My problem with this is the complete lack of skill required to kill me. I dont mind dying, just not to some scrub just because he can shadow step me and proc 5 flurries.</span></p></blockquote><p>Mana burn? Really? Doesnt that cap at 50% of your targets health at the cost of every bit of your mana?</p><p>Maybe you mean Mana shield, prob so.</p><p>Anyways the point I was trying to make, is you dont get  quad flurried on like that everyday and its perfectly fine to happen every now and then, thats what procs do.</p><p>I dont understand why people feel that they are entitled to never have to lose this way, exp to a class who specilizes in killing people fast and quick before they can react?</p><p>I dont think your class gets a Daze, but if it does you now know the first spell you should almost always open with, whenever you fight an assassin.</p></blockquote><p>Manaburn hurts bad now, Even capped at 50%, Most are 15-20k self buffed, So 7.5-10k Unmitagatable Unresistable damage is pretty huge. Also flurry on an assassin really isn't that much luck, it's Almost 17%(IIRC, 15 Myth, 2 Shoulders) now which is pretty high chance honestly.</p>

[milff hunter]

<p>Somone always has to make an excuse why they died. It doesnt matter that your guy has 250aa full pvp gear 2 of the hottest raid wepons in the game for his class from underfoot depths, not to mention full raid jewelry, is one of the 2 main raid assasins in insurrection, and most importantly, lots of  dedication. No that doesnt matter. Just because somone knows how to play their toon doesnt mean something is wrong with the game. And if I remember correctly your buddy Wayward died right after u flopped over like a pancake. Your a cloth wearer, Im a decked out assasin who knows his toon, its supposed to happen pal.</p><p>Just another Q caught in my crosshairs IMO</p><p>PS: Wayward, If you really think im a haker your dumb... bottom line</p><p>PSS: Hope to see you out there soon</p><p>Signed - Renagade</p>

[Mesiya]

<p>first of all paill u obviously havnt pvpd in a long time if u dont think manaburn is a wizards biggest asset atm.</p><p>renagade u roll in a full group to fight 2 people. you and puzzles cant run around without 4 others on ur back, i was running from you because they were right behind you. It wasnt a fight but when i did fight you and puzzles a bit earlier 2v1 your full group showed when u were at 30%.</p><p>Mesiya has no raid gear. anyway your clearly pleased with yourself, making an account to post that. i was trying to make a point about pvp.</p>

[milff hunter]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>first of all paill u obviously havnt pvpd in a long time if u dont think manaburn is a wizards biggest asset atm.</p><p>renagade u roll in a full group to fight 2 people. you and puzzles cant run around without 4 others on ur back, i was running from you because they were right behind you. It wasnt a fight but when i did fight you and puzzles a bit earlier 2v1 your full group showed when u were at 30%.</p><p>Mesiya has no raid gear. anyway your clearly pleased with yourself, making an account to post that. i was trying to make a point about pvp.</p></blockquote><p>Where do u people come up with this crap? Full group? lol if im grouped im with jett.. if im lucky I got a healer in the group.. that day i was alone pal.... stop making stuff up.. seriously</p>

[Roald]

<p>I'm glad a sorcerer died like this. The vast majority of sorc's have no idea how much easier they have it than other mages at the moment in regards to defense/ability to survive. The mage archtype needs a serious overhaul concerning dps output versus survivablility.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>milff hunter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Somone always has to make an excuse why they died. It doesnt matter that your guy has 250aa full pvp gear 2 of the hottest raid wepons in the game for his class from underfoot depths, not to mention full raid jewelry, is one of the 2 main raid assasins in insurrection, and most importantly, lots of  dedication. No that doesnt matter. Just because somone knows how to play their toon doesnt mean something is wrong with the game. And if I remember correctly your buddy Wayward died right after u flopped over like a pancake. Your a cloth wearer, Im a decked out assasin who knows his toon, its supposed to happen pal.</p><p>Just another Q caught in my crosshairs IMO</p><p>PS: Wayward, If you really think im a haker your dumb... bottom line</p><p>PSS: Hope to see you out there soon</p><p>Signed - Renagade</p></blockquote><p>You say this like anyone knows who you are and it's hard to actually play an assassin. Also being #2 Insurrection Assassin means something?</p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>first of all paill u obviously havnt pvpd in a long time if u dont think manaburn is a wizards biggest asset atm.</p></blockquote><p>Its been quite a while since I was a wizzy, but when I was, mana burn wasnt something I thought was worth a dam in pvp.</p><p>Long cast time and no power afterwards for a cap of 50% of someones health.</p><p>Unless that spell has changed since I last saw it, I dont uderstand how thats an asset, hell from what I read its terriable for raids even now, but like I said, its been awhile since Iv been a wizzy so I really dont know, just seem strange.</p><p>IDK if I was fighting a wizzy on my lock and you wanted to trade all of you power for half of my life Id give to you anyday of the week. So again I just dont see how thats even close to an asset, but Id love to hear why. Maybe the damage cap in pvp was removed but if you could explain why you think its important Id love to hear.</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><cite>milff hunter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>first of all paill u obviously havnt pvpd in a long time if u dont think manaburn is a wizards biggest asset atm.</p><p>renagade u roll in a full group to fight 2 people. you and puzzles cant run around without 4 others on ur back, i was running from you because they were right behind you. It wasnt a fight but when i did fight you and puzzles a bit earlier 2v1 your full group showed when u were at 30%.</p><p>Mesiya has no raid gear. anyway your clearly pleased with yourself, making an account to post that. i was trying to make a point about pvp.</p></blockquote><p>Where do u people come up with this crap? Full group? lol if im grouped im with jett.. if im lucky I got a healer in the group.. that day i was alone pal.... stop making stuff up.. seriously</p></blockquote><p>ok sir, whatever helps you sleep.</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>first of all paill u obviously havnt pvpd in a long time if u dont think manaburn is a wizards biggest asset atm.</p></blockquote><p>Its been quite a while since I was a wizzy, but when I was, mana burn wasnt something I thought was worth a dam in pvp.</p><p>Long cast time and no power afterwards for a cap of 50% of someones health.</p><p>Unless that spell has changed since I last saw it, I dont uderstand how thats an asset, hell from what I read its terriable for raids even now, but like I said, its been awhile since Iv been a wizzy so I really dont know, just seem strange.</p><p>IDK if I was fighting a wizzy on my lock and you wanted to trade all of you power for half of my life Id give to you anyday of the week. So again I just dont see how thats even close to an asset, but Id love to hear why. Maybe the damage cap in pvp was removed but if you could explain why you think its important Id love to hear.</p></blockquote><p>manaburn hits most people for about 14k atm, cast speed is under 3 seconds for me. For sure it is not a spell i would recommend for those rolling in groups or in pve but for hit and run tactics that are pretty much all a Q can do to be successful at the moment it is perfect.</p><p>it does say its capped at 40% of a persons health but that doesnt seem to be true and it very rarely sucks ALL my power and obviously your only gonna want to cast it when it is going to be the killing shot in most situations.</p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>manaburn hits most people for about 14k atm, cast speed is under 3 seconds for me. For sure it is not a spell i would recommend for those rolling in groups or in pve but for hit and run tactics that are pretty much all a Q can do to be successful at the moment it is perfect.</p><p>it does say its capped at 40% of a persons health but that doesnt seem to be true and it very rarely sucks ALL my power and obviously your only gonna want to cast it when it is going to be the killing shot in most situations.</p></blockquote><p>Intersting thanks, I bet it starts off at 40% then your crit bonus and potency may boost it to what you are seeing now.</p><p>Well I learned something today.</p>

[Killque]

<p><cite>milff hunter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Somone always has to make an excuse why they died. It doesnt matter that your guy has 250aa full pvp gear 2 of the hottest raid wepons in the game for his class from underfoot depths, not to mention full raid jewelry, is one of the 2 main raid assasins in insurrection, and most importantly, lots of  dedication. No that doesnt matter. Just because somone knows how to play their toon doesnt mean something is wrong with the game. And if I remember correctly your buddy Wayward died right after u flopped over like a pancake. Your a cloth wearer, Im a decked out assasin who knows his toon, its supposed to happen pal.</p><p>Just another Q caught in my crosshairs IMO</p><p>PS: Wayward, If you really think im a haker your dumb... bottom line</p><p>PSS: Hope to see you out there soon</p><p>Signed - Renagade</p></blockquote><p>I am sorry, what exactly is it about 1 combat art and an auto attack that proves you know your class?</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is it that you have to properly time that auto attack after using said combat art? No wait, that turns on automaticlly.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is it that you needed to get close to your target to use it? No wait, that CA has a huge range and ports you to the target.</p><p>I am coming up short here bud. So far what I see is you clicked one button and someone died. Then you show up here to advertise your amazing abilities as an Assassin. Laughable at best.</p><p>As for being good because you have all of this raid gear.... All that is required to get good raid gear is to half half a brain and showing up. In fact, I would be willing to bet showing up is even more important than having half a brain. Grats on showing up.</p><p>You used the word dedication and I find that interesting. I think this is your attempt at justifying the ammount of time you have spent on this game. Now that's  your MO, and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's not kid ourselves either.</p>

[Wytie]

<p>90% of the skill required to play this game comes from knowing how to get the best gear you can for your toon and knowing when you should use some of those specific pieces, to give yourself the best chance at the kill.</p>

[Orthureon]

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>90% of the skill required to play this game comes from knowing how to get the best gear you can for your toon and knowing when you should use some of those specific pieces, to give yourself the best chance at the kill.</p></blockquote><p>Knowing how to headbutt the keyboard and which protective case to put on it requires a lot of skill for me. I IZ THE GODZ OF PVPZ, I CANZ KILLZ PEOPLEZ ON MAH SK... PEW PEW NOOBSORZ, LAWL NOOBZ!</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><cite>Paill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>manaburn hits most people for about 14k atm, cast speed is under 3 seconds for me. For sure it is not a spell i would recommend for those rolling in groups or in pve but for hit and run tactics that are pretty much all a Q can do to be successful at the moment it is perfect.</p><p>it does say its capped at 40% of a persons health but that doesnt seem to be true and it very rarely sucks ALL my power and obviously your only gonna want to cast it when it is going to be the killing shot in most situations.</p></blockquote><p>Intersting thanks, I bet it starts off at 40% then your crit bonus and potency may boost it to what you are seeing now.</p><p>Well I learned something today.</p></blockquote><p>yes i think it is probably something like that</p>

[Mesiya]

<p>Flurry is just one (and the best) example of pvp losing any skill basis it had. When DA gets uncapped it it will be even worse.</p><p>Sure wizards arent exactly the worst class out there but at least we actually have to cast things to kill people. Again, i dont mind dying, just not like that. It makes pvp a joke, one that will get old fast.</p>

[spudsmckenzie2]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Flurry is just one (and the best) example of pvp losing any skill basis it had. When DA gets uncapped it it will be even worse.</p><p>Sure wizards arent exactly the worst class out there but at least we actually have to cast things to kill people. Again, i dont mind dying, just not like that. It makes pvp a joke, one that will get old fast.</p></blockquote><p>just shrug it off mesiya it happens to all of us...i mean i have alot of hp and ive been 1 shotted by manaburn that spell double attacked...and that was no harder to do then what renagade did. hopefully when the new expansion gets here the pvp developers will do a better job of balancing but i doubt it. dont get mad, get even!</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><cite>spudsmckenzie2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Flurry is just one (and the best) example of pvp losing any skill basis it had. When DA gets uncapped it it will be even worse.</p><p>Sure wizards arent exactly the worst class out there but at least we actually have to cast things to kill people. Again, i dont mind dying, just not like that. It makes pvp a joke, one that will get old fast.</p></blockquote><p>just shrug it off mesiya it happens to all of us...i mean i have alot of hp and ive been <span style="font-size: medium;">1 shotted by manaburn that spell double attacked</span>...and that was no harder to do then what renagade did. hopefully when the new expansion gets here the pvp developers will do a better job of balancing but i doubt it. dont get mad, get even!</p></blockquote><p>i dont know where to begin with this post.</p>

[Killque]

<p>Interesting. How does spell double attack work with DOT based spells? I guess I have never considered that.</p><p>By the way, I am also not a fan of the "Live with it" attitude.</p>

[Duotang]

<p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;">gotta say it cheapens pvp a bit.</span></p></blockquote><p>Is that really your UI? Gotta say, it cheapens the game alot.</p>

[Loldawg]

<p><cite>Killque wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>milff hunter wrote:</cite></p><p><cite></cite> I am sorry, what exactly is it about 1 combat art and an auto attack that proves you know your class?</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is it that you have to properly time that auto attack after using said combat art? No wait, that turns on automaticlly.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">Is it that you needed to get close to your target to use it? No wait, that CA has a huge range and ports you to the target.</p><p>I am coming up short here bud. So far what I see is you clicked one button and someone died. Then you show up here to advertise your amazing abilities as an Assassin. Laughable at best.</p><p>As for being good because you have all of this raid gear.... All that is required to get good raid gear is to half half a brain and showing up. In fact, I would be willing to bet showing up is even more important than having half a brain. Grats on showing up.</p><p>You used the word dedication and I find that interesting. I think this is your attempt at justifying the ammount of time you have spent on this game. Now that's  your MO, and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's not kid ourselves either.</p></blockquote><p>snap</p>

[Mesiya]

<p><cite>Duotang@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mesiya@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small;">gotta say it cheapens pvp a bit.</span></p></blockquote><p>Is that really your UI? Gotta say, it cheapens the game alot.</p></blockquote><p>yes. would you like to come round one night we can give it a makeover?</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<p>Notso went defiler? *watches for flying pigs*</p>